Refused permission to purchase

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
23/07/2008 23:55

Having been refused permission to purchase my apartment - double whammy I believe - Turkish title and near an army camp- does anyone know of an appeals procedure or other action I can take?

tonyhickey



Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 00:15

on which site were you buying.

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 08:05

On what grounds did they refuse you ?

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 08:16

I do hope you are refunded any monies you have paid without delay.



Has any one else on the development been refused ?

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 08:44

Martin,



This is bad news, hope you get things sorted soon.



I assume too you have been waiting years to find this out.....



This is why the system needs changing and quickly.



MC

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 10:33

So sorry to hear this and sorry I do not know who you would appeal to. What does your solicitor say? Have you consulted the PTP department?



How long have you waited for a PTP?



Specifically, How far is your property from a military base?



Have you actually been told that you have been refused permission because it it Turkish title? This is astonishing, if this is the case



Good luck

aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 10:43

Refusing Permission To Purchase is a blatant violation of your human right to own a property in an EU member state regardless of the suspension under article 10, the fact that this property is near to an army camp should not be used as a reason for refusal, tell me which camp and I will have a good look at it on google earth!

The fact that you can not purchase the property but can put it in the trust of a Cypriot who can then rent it out to MI5, the SIS and any other world state equivalent security services makes a total farce of the permission to purchase process.

I would imagine that the worse you could do with your catapult is fire black olives to the conscripts to enhance their diet!!



But don't worry this government will address the issue in about fifteen years time, by then nobody would have applied for permissions as nobody would want to live in this farcical piece of paradise on earth.

TimothyCadman


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Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 12:11

Would be interested to know if you bought through an Estate Agent and, if so, which one?

Laptalocal


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Posts: 99

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 12:27

There was another case like this earlier in the year. The English couple involved were advised that they too were too close to a military base and under those circumstances, the property could only be owned by Turkish/Turkish-Cypriots. In their case however, it was a house, so not as complicated as apartments. How many apartments in your block and who are the other tenants?

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 12:55

Hi all,



If PTP is refused then where do you legally stand?



Does this mean that you cant sell your property on to anyone else?



Can you re-assign your contract to someone else if your refused?



Can you only obtain your deeds if you have your PTP approved?



Take care d

Laptalocal


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Posts: 99

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 13:19

Hi d, not sure on all of the above, but I know that the couple (as per msg 9) were selling their house, so yes, you can then sell it on, but obv under restrictions. I can't imagine it would be easy though, as who would risk buying a property that PTP had already been refused on?

aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 14:44

Yoa can sell the property to a Turkish Cypriot only which is not a suprise as its Turkish title, I would hang in there and enjoy the property until they come to their senses (TC government). I have a sneaky suspicion that this has little to do with the military area and more to do with giving foriegners Turkish Title, they have mentioned recently that this is not the case but as we all know you can tell when a Cypriot is lieing his mouth will be open!!



That includes my darling husband lol

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 16:13

" but as we all know you can tell when a Cypriot is lieing his mouth will be open!! "



This is a very serious subject but this comment really did make me laugh Aslan

Chick-a-Dee


Joined: 16/06/2008
Posts: 342

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 16:23

ILC - you have such a wicked sense of humour .... it was such a funny thing to say thought I agree ...



But this is a serious story, and must be heart stopping for anyone to face further delays, uncertainty and more trnc red tape.



rtddci, I am so sorry that you should have to face this, it must be awful for you. I cannot offer you any advice only sympathy. But surely there is something that can be done ... c'mon all you TRNC people, give this poor man some good solid advice ...

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 16:44

Hi Chick a Dee



I guess not many have travelled this far down the road, to get to the point where we receive or be refused PTP, so not sure what quality advice would be forthcoming.



I have asked myself, what would I do in this situation. I would certainly speak to my agent and rtddci could do this. I trust him and he has taken it upon himself to get to the know the whole of the legal process related to buying property in the TRNC. If rtddci wants to contact me by e-mail I will pass on his details.



The other thing I would do is contact Ismet.



If other people were in the same situation what would they do? Who would they contact? This might generate a list of ideas

Chick-a-Dee


Joined: 16/06/2008
Posts: 342

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 16:55

Yes I agree, Ismet iappears to be a very nice guy (from what I have read about him and heard of him), I would encourage rtddci to get in touch with him, I am sure Ismet would agree.





Perhaps if Ismet reads this, he will add his usual pearls of wisdom.

bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 17:10

Accordung to the HBPG, who are now monitoring if people who have bought pre 74 Turkish Title Deeds are being refused PTP, Rtddci is not alone. It has always been the case (although many estate agents do not divulge this) that you will not get PTP if you are in close proximity to an army base. This is no matter what title deed you have. However the refusal or as is mostly the case the non-issueing of pre-74 deeds, without reason or explanation, is something that has occurred over the last 2 years. When asked advocates denied any knowledge, as did the estate agents and builders and it has not been widely publicised so being the ever optimistic and trusting people we are, it has been easy to dismiss it as a rumour. However from talking to advocate and local TC's I am aware that there has been discussions about people who have bought this particular deed being offered long leases rather than having freehold. As usual nothing concrete and no one really knows what will happen. Can anyone win in the TRNC? Buy exchange and you could end up paying compensation, buy pre 74 and you may never own it despite having paid in full. I have to say that despite everything going smoothly and having had a superb builder who really has been more than fair with us, I really do wish I had not purchased in the TRNC. Its one thing to buy based on the TRNC's history but how can anyone buy here safely with a governemnt and property indusrty that change things on a whim. What would the real reasoning be for not issueing these deeds?

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 17:24

Hi Bradus, great post as ever.



"What would the real reasoning be for not issueing these deeds?"



It's a strange one Bradus. The only reason I can think of leads me down a pessimistic path, so I am not going to go there.



"I really do wish I had not purchased in the TRNC. "



With all the up's and downs, the twists and turns, the political situation, the process would only be suitable for adrenaline junkies

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 17:29

Ever thought that the Pre 74's might be the new exchange properties for any settlement?

At the back of my mind I cannot see how this government would get away with selling GC property but refusing to sell Turkish. The GC's and EU would have a field day! Surely this must be obvious to them?

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 18:31

Thanks to all for your replies and support. The apartment complex is called Bedel Apartments 5, Uluk Reis Sokak, Upper Kyrenia. It's 2 blocks of 5 apartments built on pre 74 turkish title land. Built by Hassan Bedel. If you travel from Lefkosia over the mountain and into Girne, first roundabout turn right (Elektokur shop), then past Olivia apartments and next right. It is right next to the army camp but I was assured by the estate agent (Altan Uzunoglu of Royal Estates http://www.cyprusroyalestates.com ) there would not be a problem. I would be 'thanking him one day.' I was not given a reason for being refused, they only seem to be able to say 'buy a different property'. Applied in November 05. I have to say that I agree with Bradus as to buying in the TRNC.

I chose not to employ a lawyer, trusting the estate agent, builder & friends advice. From what I have learnt re lawyers in the TRNC I don't think I made that big a mistake on that point.

Any further comments/advice welcomed.

Martin

bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 19:30

Could you try to get it in a family members name? Undoubtedly they will also be refused their PTP but it would possibly take another 5-7 years before this happens. You can then sit tight and see what happens. Alternatively can you try exchanging property with a TC? Advertise and see what responses you get. Other than that will you be looking to sell?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 20:35

Martin,



As all, sorry about your plight and your magnaminous thought of thanking the estate agent. If you want any help in thanking him I am sure there would be many who would gladly help you in the dark alley of your choosing.



David

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 20:48

I have a good friend called lumpy Hammer I am sure I would enjoy introducing him to the estate agents nuts just say the word failing that......... My good friend from up the hill cyprus is home does a mean trick with a Cattle prod

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 21:14

I think you have to decide if you want to live there full time, or part time in UK.

I would not try cutting your losses and selling cheap. I would stick it out, even if it meant flying out every so often to stay 'clean'.



Follow previous advice and try getting advice from Marion Stokes, Ismet (Elko?), etc.



Many may say you were a fool not to use a lawyer,.. sorry, advocate! That's now beside the point and may not have made any difference anyway.



Whatever you do, do not even contemplate 'kneecapping' the agent, builder etc. Also, legal restitution appears to currently be a fools errand in NC and could take years and a lot more money, without any reasonable expectation of a judgement in your favour leading to any financial benefit for many further years, if your lucky. so forget that as well!



There's no point looking back, just look forward.



The politics of Turkey and the EU may well overtake these types of problems.



If you are still resident in the UK, try petitioning your MP or MEP for help.



It may be pointless, but anything helps.



Best of luck,... and remember the words from 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy',....





DONT PANIC!

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 21:35

Thanks again for your thoughts and reassure you that I will not do anything illegal however tempted I might be. I love my apartment and intend to keep it presuming we are allowed to. We will continue to visit several times per year if finances allow. If I do nothing else what happens? The builder is in the process of parcelising the apartments with the land registry, so who 'owns' the apartment according to the registry? Some are owned by English rest TC.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 21:51

rtddi

turkish politics changes weekly ,so dont worry hang on and enjoy yourself

all will be fine,i suspect the real reason is that they are hanging on too

turkish land and only giving permission to cypriots,however that wont last,

cheer up and dont wory.





musin

rtddci


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Posts: 842

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 21:53

Musin

Thanks for the morale boost. Appreciated.

Martin

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 22:27

Hi all,



Im buying an apartment so how does this go then?



If/when you get your PTP the developer then spilts the parcels and applies for individual deeds to be issued ?? Im confused??



take care d

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
24/07/2008 22:50

The PTP and deeds are 2 seperate issues. The builder 'parcelises' the land i.e. divides the one plot into the number of houses/apartments built. This is then registered with the land registry same as in UK. The new owners can then be given their title deeds provided they are either TC or have been given PTP. Therefore non TC's are subject to racial discrimination.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 13:18

we are english, we have been issued our title turkish title deeds.

bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
25/07/2008 13:41

Are you not running a business fire starter? When did you apply for your ptp?

littlenige



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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 13:42

another name for a fire starter................ ARSonist

fire starter


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 13:50

we put in our ptp in 2006. took 18 months start to finish.

only trying to help people. no need for that nige. another name for littlenige, big gob -little dick











ps , please , there is no need for this kind of expression , there might be youngsters using this forum ---------- moderator

bradus


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 14:25

Hi Rose,

Are you running a hotel?

littlenige



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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 14:27

it mught be little but its not the size that counts it's how you use it !!

fire starter


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 14:32

thats what your boyfriend says nige.

bradus are you talking to me? or the dog?

bradus


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 15:11

Sorry fire starter I don't know what you mean? I am just trying to ascertain if you are the person that answered the last quiery on PTP who had ben granted permission, but the property was for a hotel. Wondering if this being the case it puts a different slant on things.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
25/07/2008 15:27

no the property is for a house. we are just your average family who purchased here.

rtddci


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Posts: 842

Message Posted:
25/07/2008 23:58

Just wondered if anyone had any further advice as to appealing refusal?

Martin

Groucho



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Message Posted:
26/07/2008 08:26

does your contract have clause that entitles you to a refund and compensation should Permission to Purchase be refused? It should have.....

linus


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
26/07/2008 18:51

Hi Firestarter



Which development are you on? I purchased pre 74 Turkish Title property but am told it is likely to be 3 years minimum beore deeds are issued. When did you get yours PTP and tiltle deeds



Regards



Linus

rtddci


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Posts: 842

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 00:47

Groucho

I'm afraid not. Another benefit in hindsight.

Martin

Alasian


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Posts: 70

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 01:43

Hello rtddci,



Cant your estate agents offer an equal value property at another location of your choice?

fire starter


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Message Posted:
28/07/2008 10:34

linus, purchased in 2006, normal house in normal street, not on a development. got our title deeds jan this year. if your waiting for yours just keep chasing them weekly.

rtddci


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Posts: 842

Message Posted:
28/07/2008 21:41

Alasian,

Nice thought but I don't think that the builder would be willing to refund me the money paid for the apartment. Prices have dropped and the market in recession. Besides I like the apartment and want to stay there.

linus


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 00:27

Hi Firestarter



Thanks for the info. I was told by my attorney at least 3 years. Are you suggesting chasing now I only purchased 4 months ago. Did you just chase your attorney or the land registry direct?



Regards



Linus

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 15:06

Does anyone know of anyone that has tried to challenge a refusal re permission to purchase?

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 15:23

rtddci



I am really clutching at straws but maybe you can contact the TC human rights lawyer who speaks towards the end of this video. Sorry mate if ithis only takes you down another cul de sac



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yIcATheov8U

rtddci


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Posts: 842

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 15:24

I'm grateful for any advice. I'll take a look. Thanks

Martin

orangekazzie



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Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 15:27

Firestarter

Is that your full kocan which shows the house on the land or just the land kocan. Our land kocan came through quite quickly but the house one took a lot longer.

Karen

TandM


Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 16:03

hi



we have had our permissions refused also this week,



reason for being to close to military base,



fact



we cannot even see the base from any part of our house!!!



other english owned properties between us and the base have recived theirs !!!



i have been told there is not an appeal proccess for this !!!



whats even more frustrating, right next to the base is huge hotel!!! which will when/if ever completed look straight over the base, Madness



is the property pressure group still operating?? if so anyone got the phone number? please.

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 16:51

Hi all,



I f your PTP gets refused can you re-assign your contract over to someone else still or not?



As I know youve said unless you get your PTP and deeds you cant re-sell or you can but only to a TC?



Are there TC agents out there who are prepared to but off you cheap to sell on and take advantage of your predicament?



Take care d

bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 19:32

Tandem,



Was your property exchange or pre 74 Turkish Title?

cyprusishome


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Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
29/07/2008 20:24

TandM



Homebuyers Pressure Group site is - http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/index.html

TandM


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Posts: 70

Message Posted:
30/07/2008 10:06

bradus



property is exchange

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
30/07/2008 13:52

linus if i were you i would wait about a year, then chase ptp, after that it is all nearly finished. our ptp was done 24 dec 07, kochan issued by feb08.

orangekazzie our house is not new so it has maybe been on the land for 200yrs. so it all came together as one title.

mountbatten


Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
30/07/2008 17:47

TandM, you might not be able to see the army base,your property might well be to close to there so called invisible security zone,i very much doubt you will ever get PTP,thats what i was led to believe with regards to a property near a army base.

I thought at first it might have been because you had a Turkish Title Deed,but your post 55 above states Exchange.

We have been advised to avoid Turkish Title Deeds

Good luck

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
30/07/2008 18:43

Bradus: "Ever thought that the Pre 74's might be the new exchange properties for any settlement?"



Somehow I can't see that happening as this is the only category of title deed that is legal and recognised internationally. Why would Turkey do that when almost all the seized property in the north is GC-owned? Ankara has already established a compensation board to pay out on this property or reinstate it to its rightful owners - which has happened in several cases.

bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/07/2008 22:01

Yes PtePike,



Pre 74 100% internationally recognised and no moral dilemma, which is exactly why I purchased them. For those of you with this title deed I would agree, you will be 100% safe.

My point being that until you get your title deeds you do not legally own the property. As identified by the HBPG there appears to be a reluctance to give out PTP to pre 74 buyers. There has also been suggestions of 99 year leases on these properties. Therefore as yet many do not own the properties they have purchased.



Until the government announces what they are trying to achieve by stalling on ptp, thus making it difficult to obtain the title deed, they are not 100% internationally safe for present purchasers. We are in the hands of the TRNC government and who knows what their reasoning is?

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
30/07/2008 22:49

OK, so I'm completely f....d then as I 'own', no sorry, mean err, borrowing err using occasionally, an apartment which is on pre 74 Turkish title, which is obviously very naughty of me it appears; and not only that it's in the vicinity of a Turkish army base which is even naughtier. What happens should the Turkish army shrink a bit (I won't say leave because that's a non runner) and the camp be given up? Is NC only for those of TC origin however remote?

pilgrim



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Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
30/07/2008 23:44

rtddci,

plenty of us could be in same boat, but if situation isn,t resolved,well join together and be a battleship guns blazing! for justice.

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
30/07/2008 23:58

Hi all,



Dont suppose the stall in handing out PTPs has anything to do with upcoming negotiations on the cyprus issue?



Could they be stalling as they know something we dont with regards to re-unification and handing back lands lost on both sides?



I dont know....Just asking a question??



Take care d

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 00:07

David off

Think your on the mark, hoping normality will resume once neogiations are resolved one way or another.

.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 00:10

bradus,



All this talk about refusing PTP for pre-74 title deeds would appear to be just that - simply talk. I've been hearing coffee shop gossip about the withholding of these titles for about seven years now and as this and other threads show, foreigners continue to be granted permission. IMO the chaotic system of goverment in north Cyprus is symptomatic of Ottoman-style rule from a country over the sea. The tail wags the dog and vice versa. I do agree with you that purchasers are powerless given the system of authority in north Cyprus, but either way surely only a fool hands over their money before being given PTP? How sensible is that - especially in a notoriously lawless place like the TRNC?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 00:17

rtddci,



From the way you described your property, I may be wrong but it seems to be in the Thermia area of Upper Kyrenia, also known as Dogankoy. To the best of my knowledge this was a mainly Greek Cypriot area. How certain are you that your property is pre-74 title? Have you checked it out at the Kyrenia District Land Registry or are you taking someone's word for it?

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 16:40

go to the south and check your title deeds. our friends were sold pre'74 turkish title. now it turns out its exchange title. before buying always check!

rtddci


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Posts: 842

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 18:11

PtePike

I know the owner of the site. She still lives on part of the plot (she basically sold her back garden) and I've seen a copy of her Kocan. I made it a condition of the contract that the title is pre 74 Turkish (for what that's worth). Also the builder & his family live in the apartments so I'm ok re title I believe.

Martin

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 19:27

Martin,



Sounds good. The old kocans from the 1950s were in English and Greek and possibly Turkish, though that may have been dropped after 1963. Hope it all works out for you.

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
31/07/2008 22:23

private pike,



you speak with more experience of pre-1878 than I would ever have, viz:

"the chaotic system of government is symptomatic of Ottoman-style rule

from a country over the sea"



surely that should read:

"the chaotic coup d'etat of 1974 is symptomatic of Byzantine-style rule

from a country over the sea"



which coffee shop do you go to?



andre

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 12:17

andre,



The Ottomans were dispensing chaotic rule up until the 1920s further afield than Cyprus. If you don't think the system of administration in north Cyprus is chaotic Ottoman-style you clearly don't spend much time there. As for the coup, I would have decribed it as shambolic. That's how Nicos Sampson described it to me.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 12:40

This thread is going off track but there is an increasing acknowledgment that the Ottoman empire was relatively well run. Yes they conquered, which is what empires did, but it has surprised historians as to how much the Ottomans wanted to learn and expand their knowledge. They learnt from those they conquered and in many respects they were ahead of Northern Europe.

The worlds first institution of higher education dedicated to Engineering was set up in Istanbul in 1773.

Wiser


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Posts: 796

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:02

I feel very sorry for you. I must mention though that I bought an old turkish title house in Lapta and received my title deeds. They did take 4 years to come through!!

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
01/08/2008 13:17

Any further news rtddci and TandM?

TandM


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Posts: 70

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 10:11

ilovecyprus



i have been in contact with few people who are trying to help, so realy no news, but as soon as i have some i will post the info, it may help someone in the future who will suffer same fate as us.



TandM

Aga Buyers A G


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 10:16

rtddci & T & M



If you need anything posting on



http://www.trncpropertywarning.freewebsites.com



let us know, because naming and shaming in this public domain has really worked, and sometimes a solution is forthcoming - but as we also sadly too well aware more often than not the N. Cypriot administration do not want to find one !



ABAG

http://latchfords.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AED4FE7679CA3C33!944.entry

agabuyersactiongroup@yahoo.co.uk

rtddci


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 13:27

Thank you all for your support. I had hoped that perhaps someone knew of a method of appealing these decisions. It's a undemocratic and unjust country that has no legal system of appealing what is a draconian decision and one in complete breach of human rights.

Martin

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
02/08/2008 13:29

Martin, did you contact that human rights lawyer?

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 14:50

ilovecyprus

I havn't done so yet. Hoping that maybe someone would come up with a way of appealing without using a lawyer, have little if any faith in NC lawyers who seem to charge/demand exhorbitant fees for doing nothing and are part of the problem rather than a solution.

Martin.

peggy


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:41

Hi we are in the same situation permision refused because we are near to military land.

We purchased the propery from Fraser and Beyler (now donaghy and Beyler)

As you can guess everyone has now washed their hands of the problem.

peggy

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
02/12/2008

Sad news Peggy,



Its been some time since Rtddci posted and I am not sure how he is going on and if he had any success.What are you going to do? Is this Turkish Title or exchange? Have the HBPG commented?



It appears somewhat hit and miss. How long had you waited for your PTP?

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:14

rtddci,

Very unfortunate situation and withoubt doubt we all feel for you.



There are changes afoot for Cyprus. N and S negotiations, forthcomming elections in North. Turkey aspiring to EU membership.



TRNC will, i believe, soon come into the fold of the EU. When this happens then

European Law and particularly Human rights Law will prevail. You will have a very strong case indeed to have decision overuled.



Good luck, enjoy and hold tight.

peggy


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 01:02

Hi Bradus

Purchased the house 2003 and the ptp was refused this year, it is exchange land, hbpg say try to sell on the open market but thats a none starter.

The silly thing is the military land is a so called air strip (dirt track) that is never used and not a soldier in site in fact we all use it as a short cut to the house

thanks for the concern

Peggy

peggy


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 22:59

Hello everyone

we are coming to Cyprus in the near future and have decided to take legal action against the agent and the builder with regard to p.t.p being refused

We have appointed a solicitor! (for want of a better name) in Nicosia we don`t trust the ones we have spoken to in Girny.

Has anyone else gone down this track? what was the outcome? any advice would be appreciated.

Peggy

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 23:41

Hi Peggy, firstly I am very sorry to hear of your predicament. I just wanted to say that before you pay any money to an advocate have there been many houses built near this air strip and if so, do you know how many foreigners have purchased there and if any of them have received PTP in the last 5 years or even before? Have you done any investigating yourself because if any foreigners have been given permission then I would imagine it would be very hard to prove negligence on behalf of the agent or builder as the decision to give permission is completely out of their control.



Regards.



Jo

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 10:11

Message 81



Dream on.....

peggy


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:16

Hi Jo

As far as we are able to make out no foreign nationals have been given ptp in this area.

We have aclause in our contract (for what it is worth) saying the property will be sold free of any legal

impediment whatsoever .

So we can only try, nothing to loose now!

Regards Peggy

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 22:00

A great deal of discussion about safe, less safe and risky title deeds.

Clearly there are cases where refusa of PTP seems extraordinary.



There has simply been too much development and infrastucture improvements for any N and S settlement to sanction or support mass evictions, population movements,demolitions or ethnic cleansing.



The PTP scheme will,in my view, be shelved completely and replaced by a more civil and realistic system as seen in most EU contries. This will be instigated by EU and UN who have the clout to make things happen. Remember UN are finnancing current talks!



All title will be awarded similar levels of respect. Compensation may be forthcomming in certain instances of occupation of Pre 74 habitable buildings.



If you have been refused PTP or have exchange land title then I assess the risk of any sort of loss as low. Driving force at the moment is the EU and UN. The asspirations of the G/C to make financial gains and secure evictions are very unlikely