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downunder

Joined: 24/06/2010 Posts: 32
Message Posted: 15/07/2010 12:23 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 1 of 63 in Discussion |
| We, DownUnder Cleaning are working very hard with Linetti Ltd to free all pools from chemicals and reduce the risk of Cancer in North Cyprus. This is not Zero Chlorine it is 'Zero Chemicals' the only thing we use is mineral salt. Our new Chlorination system can be installed in any pool, skimmer or overflow. All that is needed is to contact us at sevkibingol@yahoo.com 0533 868 8786 The special calculations for the device to function is being done and trained by the professionals in Turkey and Spain. The only thing used in the pool is mineral salt and the chlorination device parses the salt and the chlorine substance found in the mineral salt. The minerals in the salt will treat your skin and will not cause any rashes, stiff hair, burning eyes, the sticky feeling after swimming and most importantly there is no Chemical that causes Cancer. So what you are really doing is buying a life time guarantee of Chemical, Cancer free pool and enjoyment. |
DeaconB

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 12:30 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 2 of 63 in Discussion |
| Hi DownUnder, What is the installations cost? What are the ongoing costs? Is the water as salty as seawater? Cheers |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 13:05 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 63 in Discussion |
| Hi DeaconB I will need the measurements for your pool because the model that is going to be installed will be according to the volume of the pool. The only ongoing cost is 25 kg of mineral salt every 3-4 months. 25 kg of mineral salt is only 9 TL. The water is not salty like seawater, you do not even feel the salt in the water while you swim. 9 TL for every 3-4 months I believe is very low cost for Health and Chemical free pool which does not reduce the risk of Cancer but abolishes this threat. Best Regards |
DeaconB

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 13:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 63 in Discussion |
| So far that sounds reasonable. Pool about 15m x 12m x 9m. Can you make it salty if you up the salt input? |
keithcaley


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| You might as well give the prices for the different models, and state what size pools they are suitable for - there surely can't be that many different sizes! Are there any Electricity running costs? - If so, how much for each model? As your system actually converts the salt into Chlorine & Sodium, it can hardly be called 'Zero Chemicals' can it? Are you supplying one of these popular brands of 'Salt Water Chlorinators', or is it a make that no one has heard of before? : - Aquapure by Jandy Aquarite by Hayward/ Goldline Atlantis Autochlor Autopilot Chlorease CircuPool® Systems Clearwater by Zodiac CompuPool (Formally Compuchlor) Controlomatic Eco-Matic / Chloromatic Electrochlor by Waterco Hayward/ Goldline I-PURE by Intermatic Innovative Aqua Systems Intex K-Chlor (Australia) OSEC Pentair-Intellichlor Polaris-Autoclear Resilience Sal-Chlor (Australia) Seal Pool Equipment Watermaid (Australia) |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 13:35 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 63 in Discussion |
| You can decide on the amount of the salt, we will give you the figures for the least amount that needs to be put in and rest is decided by you. We have 3 models that differ in price. I will also need the depth of your pool minimum and maximum |
juliamoons


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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 14:02 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 7 of 63 in Discussion |
| My pool is 8 x 4 metres depth 2 metres deep end and 1 metre shallow end. Can you please give me a price. |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 14:06 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 63 in Discussion |
| Keithcaley firstly I think you have miss understood because it does not convert salt into chlorine it subtracts the chlorine substance from salt, so this means that the chlorine is not prepared by chemicals or in labs, you can get greater detail from the following link http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/cl.html ... so it is Chemical free the cost of electricity would be around 20 TL month. The brand used is BSV Chlorinator. web is http://www.bsvelectronics.com I know you have a list of brands above but BSV is being used by over 12 million pools in Australia and USA if it was not a good brand or heard of this figure would not be so high. If you have not heard of this brand that does not make it unpopular it simply means that you have not heard of it. |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 14:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 63 in Discussion |
| hi Julia as I have said before we have 3 models - 1.550 EUR - 1770 EUR - 2000 EUR for further inquiries pls contact clean.downunder@gmail.com or call 0533 882 6611 |
wynyardman


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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 14:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 63 in Discussion |
| Hi, Is this similar to the Crocodile system that works on electrolosis? wyn |
TRNCVaughan

Joined: 27/04/2008 Posts: 4578
Message Posted: 15/07/2010 14:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 63 in Discussion |
| I think you may mean the Aligator System, for which Octopus Pools is TRNC agent. Aligators use silver and copper, similar to Zerochlor. http://www.aligator.co.uk |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 15:22 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 12 of 63 in Discussion |
| Hi wyn no it is nothing like the Aligator System, as far as know that is a purifying system that reduces the chemical usage in pools. But I would have to leave the explanation to Vaughan cause he has a greater knowledge on the Aligator System. Our system works only with mineral salt, it subtracts the chlorine substance of the mineral salt, no chemicals no risks. By the way 25kg of mineral salt only costs 7.35TL this will be used every 3-4 months after the system is fitted in. thank you all |
keithcaley


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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 15:23 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 63 in Discussion |
| downunder, Thank you for the pricing information, and for the chemistry lesson I accept that just because BSV is not a brand with which I am familiar does not mean that it is unpopular... I wish you well in your Venture. Wyn, Yes it appears that this system derives Chlorine from Sodium Chloride (Salt) by Electrolysis Salt water chlorinators use levels of salt FAR below those which you would find in sea water - particularly the Med, or other enclosed / semi-enclosed bodies of water They are generally considered to be less damaging to your health than the use of granular Chlorine, possibly because the levels are monitored and regulated more closely than is possible by periodic manual 'dosing' |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 15:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 63 in Discussion |
| befor I forget 2 Titanium plates are used in the system. In winter if the weather is around 10 degrees it will not need any mineral salt until the heat reaches 15 degrees. |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 15:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 63 in Discussion |
| Dear Keith Im sorry I was not trying to give lesson in any way. You are an mechanical engineer so is my dad and i really learn so much from him so I was not judging your knowledge just wanted to state it out. thnx for the extra info you put up very kind of you |
zerochlor

Joined: 03/04/2009 Posts: 4024
Message Posted: 15/07/2010 16:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 16 of 63 in Discussion |
| what is the wattage of each of the 3 diffrent devices please? you say around 20tl a month electricity costs ,so if for a 8x4 by 1meter min to 2 meter max it will be maybe around 20tl a month.? so for the middle size device what will be the running cost for a pool. and the 3rd larger device,what will be the running cost? also how many hours a day does this machine need to be run for on diffrent size pools in the summer and in the winter to get to your costing of 20tl per month electricity cost.? Thanks |
Ozbey

Joined: 04/03/2009 Posts: 304
Message Posted: 15/07/2010 16:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 17 of 63 in Discussion |
| Msg 1 Your pools WILL contain chlorine! Your device is called a chlorinator - it makes chlorine from the salt in the water. You are trying to sell a lifetime guarantee of chemical and cancer free pool - you cannot possibly guarantee that. I agree that if properly maintained and operated the chlorine should be produced and kept at safe levels, but if not maintained well you could produce dangerously high levels. The Watermaid salt water chlorinator was introduced to TRNC a few years ago with very similar marketing hype - some of those were removed within 3 years (£700 then, not 2000 Euro). Many had maintainance problems due to the very hard water here - my neighbour had one and I once tested his water and it contained 6 ppm of chlorine - industry safety standards recommend no higher than 1 to 2 ppm. Please do not mislead your customers, THEY WILL STILL BE SWIMMING IN CHLORINE. Tell them the truth and the facts, then I will wish you luck with your business. Regards, Ozbey. |
cypgab

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 17:16 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 18 of 63 in Discussion |
| I'd like to see some links showing the dangers and numbers of reported illnesses/fatalities of contracting cancer from the use of chemicals eg chlorine, in a normal swimming pool. |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 17:27 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 21 of 63 in Discussion |
| Irritation •Chlorine can often cause skin irritation by destroying the body's supply of vitamin E and polyunsaturated fatty acids, and can also cause generalized redness and itchiness of the eyes. Asthma •There is a slight increase in respiratory problems; asthma in particular shows the highest percentage increase in children who spend a lot of time in chlorinated pools. Fatigue •Chronic fatigue syndrome is another issue associated with prolonged exposure to chlorine. Toxins •Toxins are more easily absorbed into the skin with regular chlorine contact. Cancer •Chlorine has been associated in some studies with cancer of the larynx, esophagus, breast, bowels and especially the bladder. Heart Disease •There is evidence that excessive chlorine levels in the body are responsible for elevated cases of heart disease. |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 17:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 22 of 63 in Discussion |
| According to the U.S. Council of Environmental Quality "Cancer risk among people using chlorinated water is as much as 93% higher than among those whose water does not contain chlorine." very scary indeed http://www.watergiants.com/Pages/Chlorine-and-Cancer.html |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 20:34 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 24 of 63 in Discussion |
| I see Zerochlor has taken a great interest in this page. I absolutely agree with you chlorine is very harmful and the links I have gone over proves this. The amount of chemicals a Lab based chlorine embeds is unbelievable. But there is something that I really want to understand first a mineral salt is attained from the sea it is not made in labs nor it has any chemicals within it,%100 natural. It is unbelievable to find something that is so natural in nature and on system allows you to use this pure natural mineral salt to keep your pool clean and treat it. When we say that salt chlorinator decompositions Chloride from Sodium Chloride (salt) by Electrolysis this simply means that the natural mineral salt that is taken out of sea is decomposed and applied to your pool. I only think that is fair enough to say that we use No Chemicals only natural resources. Zerochlor how do you maintain pools just wondering I went through many of your post but I did not catch your explanati |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 21:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 25 of 63 in Discussion |
| there is some thing which I am wondering. Is this company a threat to you. I do not understand how people choose to put other businesses down rather than elevate theirs to give a better quality service and get customers. Instead Zerochlor people like you tend to savagely attach other people and try to ruin what ever chance that person has to start something. The way I see it is everyone does there own thing and even if we do the same job the important thing is compete with that other company this will bring perfection. But nooo Zerochlor choses to do what he does just like above. I feel really sorry for this because I am %100 clear with this product and anyone who wants can visit the site http://www.bsvelectronics.com and find out why 12 million people use this system especially in Australia. This is why I do not really want to continue this conversation with anyone. This product sells itself anyone interested can research it. I am sure that ozbey and zerochlor has not done enough research. |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 21:23 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 26 of 63 in Discussion |
| ozbey firstly I would like to know who and what you are. Yes you have guessed it the device name is chlorinator actually it is salt water chlorinator just so you get it right. Secondly ozbey I can see you have absence of knowledge concerning the issue or the product. I give a life time guarantee because It has been tested for nearly over 50 years in Australia. I guess it is very easy to sit down and make e relevant gestures comments and interpretations just like you. Third thing is yes, if it is maintained and operated properly, we teach everyone and give special courses to educate the buyers. ozbey if you buy a brand new car and not check its oil, fuel that it is bound to stall and break down. It is the sam for all mate, you treat it well and it will last. Fourthly Watermaid might have started but this does not mean that they have to be successful. we charge from 1200 Eur to 5000 Eur, you said it your self mate 3 years ago. 3 years ago we used to pay 80 TL for electricity |
downunder

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Message Posted: 15/07/2010 21:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 27 of 63 in Discussion |
| now days we pay 400 TL I think you get the picture mate. I think you have gone to the beach before and the water did not put you in any danger or your family. final I have to have a long hard laugh about this comment, because what your saying about your neighbor is plain stupidity. I believe that if you put more that the pool requires than it is only fair that you get a 6ppm. Even if a person eats more than his capacity he is bound to get ill, is int that right mate. this was the worst of all your allegations. You do not have to say please mate the last thing that I would do is mislead customers I leave that to people like you and your reckless allegations. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE PLS VISIT http://www.bsvelectronics.com THIS SITE WILL LET YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. advice from me is firstly you research something before you start to throw unnecessary and wrong allegations. Thanks all |
Soupseed

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 03:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 28 of 63 in Discussion |
| http://www.bsvelectronics.com That site does not know everything, cause its dead! You also really need to read Keithcally's comments again, Because i dont think you took it all in! Oh & Sodium Chloride is mineral salt. Chlorine is one of the most common ocuring elements & like oxygen likes to bond with other elements. Which is why you need electrolysis to release it! Chlorine is still chlorine no matter where you get it from! |
Groucho


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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 06:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 29 of 63 in Discussion |
| http://www.bsvelectronic.com/bsv-division.asp?maincat=1&i=english&ran=0,1524622 It's just another Saltwater Chlorination system. I don't agree with the electricity costs... more like 40 - 60 TL pcm I would estimate. We have a Watermaid system that's been running for 4 years and still works well. I'd be interested to know where you can buy the salt for 9TL per 25 kilos as it's 16 - 18 TL for the stuff I buy. Having said that it is 'food grade' salt granules and I use it in my dishwasher too.... |
Sideways


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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 08:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 30 of 63 in Discussion |
| I also have a Watermaid System, can you supply Groucho and I some salt @ 9TL per bag? Pete. |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 08:44 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 31 of 63 in Discussion |
| message 24 and 25. downunder. i think you need to read all the links ive put on your page. message 18 asked people of the forum for some links to the dangers of chlorine,so i posted links to the dangers of chlorine,many links to the dangers of chlorine,After all you are promoting a non chlorine system,would it not be a help me posting links showing the dangers of chlorine,AS you SAY you are selling a totally non chemical system and promoting a non chemical pool system, i have no worries of your or any system that promotes a non chlorine system for swimming pools,as it can only help what i have been trying to tell the public for the last 2 seasons,,CHLORINE IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU. NOW PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I HAVE TRIED TO SLAG OF OR PUT DOWN YOUR COMPANY? Downunder,the reasons i have no worries about other systems in the market place is this,ALL OTHERS HAVE HUGE SET UP COSTS. zerochlor basic set up cost is £22 for a 8 x 4! I AM WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER. |
millzer

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 08:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 32 of 63 in Discussion |
| zerochlor have you a chemical analysis of your product Zerochlor thank you |
batgirl

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 12:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 33 of 63 in Discussion |
| Msg 30 ,Sideways we buy our salt from the coop wharehouse in Lefcosia @8-9tl per bag |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 14:44 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 34 of 63 in Discussion |
| message 32. call in the shop and il give it too you Thanks . Happy chlorine free swimming folks Downunder. a little word of advise. Advertising a new product or device on cyp44 is a good idea,but if you make 1 mistake let me tell you,you get the full wrath of the foum on your case,i know.Even though i didnt make any mistakes. when i first brought zerochlor here,my first thread was scary,i had so many questions thrown at me it was unbelievable,needless to say i sat here and answerd them,i even had a person accuse me of being here to con people after a similer product went by the wayside. i wish i could find my very first thread,then you could read it and see some of the questions i was asked,it makes for good reading. By the way downunder,i am all for new non chlorine or virtually non chlorine pool products. |
millzer

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 15:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 35 of 63 in Discussion |
| not in Cyprus at the moment you can email it me or put on here please thank you |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 15:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 36 of 63 in Discussion |
| when you arrive.call in the shop.not got it in pdf form.or word.its in my hand files. to much for me to type up. |
millzer

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 16:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 38 of 63 in Discussion |
| Oh disappointing you could scan it is the ingredients that long |
downunder

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 20:06 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 39 of 63 in Discussion |
| groucho I think you have not been looking around enough. Koop warehouse sells it for that price. you should try it. we have set the BSV salt chlorinator to Bellaview Hotel In Beylerbeyi anyone is free to go an see for them selves and speak with the hotel manager Can bey. Befor I forget groucho you can get an electrition so he could measure the amps and Kw it uses. I would love to be there when you go so I can see you face to face. This system does not spend electricity no more than a light bulb. Any other question |
downunder

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 20:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 40 of 63 in Discussion |
| I am really open to questions I will answer all But please do not bother trying to put it down. This system is being introduced we used this system in Australia for nearly 17 years, the Australian government incourages for chlorinators. I know these for facts and I have lived it. I guess the worst thing in life is to only have a little bit of knowledge about somthing and think that you know it all this is very dangerous. much more dangerous than a person who knows anything. |
downunder

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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 20:17 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 41 of 63 in Discussion |
| Just heads up on the BSV web site It is nothing fancy or creative the reason is that they do not have to attract the people to their site or product because it sells it self. the only spear space for the Technical foundation and facts about the device no need for fancy or creative site. Most people who understand and is really interested in buying this product will not spend time on how the site is rather they would prefer to read facts and the technical issues. Thats how I was tought to research. thanks |
Groucho


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Message Posted: 16/07/2010 20:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 42 of 63 in Discussion |
| downunder The cost of the electricity depends on how long you have to run the pool... in this weather, how many hours do the manufacturers recommend for their system to adequately cleanse the pool? |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 00:17 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 43 of 63 in Discussion |
| cheers keith for finding that thread. also downunder. im still waiting for the answer or answers? |
downunder

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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 01:32 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 44 of 63 in Discussion |
| the recommended time by the manufacturers is 8hr |
Groucho


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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 06:41 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 45 of 63 in Discussion |
| So that's 8 hours a day 7 days a week with the pump and the chlorinator running.... 20TL? Never... It's not right to quote the figure for the Salt-Water Chlorinator in splendid isolation if it requires the pump to be on too, which I presume it does, as this gives a false impression of the running costs. |
Groucho


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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 07:35 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 46 of 63 in Discussion |
| "I guess the worst thing in life is to only have a little bit of knowledge about somthing and think that you know it all this is very dangerous. much more dangerous than a person who knows anything." Being impertinent when people are asking pertinent questions? Where is the Koop warehouse? Is the salt 'food grade'? |
millzer

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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 08:06 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 47 of 63 in Discussion |
| message 43 so am I zerochlor Msds ? surely you have something you can send prospective customers ? |
kibsolar

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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 16:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 48 of 63 in Discussion |
| you would like to have something proper, without chemicals? visit http://www.necon.de and send us a mail if interested to info@kibsolar.com thanks, Peter |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 16:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 49 of 63 in Discussion |
| message 47 read message 36. i dont boil my cabbages twice. or look at my website http://www.zerochlor.co.uk |
Ozbey

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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 18:27 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 50 of 63 in Discussion |
| downunder, please test the water at one of your pools then tell me how low the chlorine reading is. Thank you. Regards, Ozbbey. |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 18:44 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 51 of 63 in Discussion |
| Message 48 kibsolar. for a 10 x 5 what would it cost to have something proper without chemicals? Also is there a pool in the north that i can take alook at please,sounds very interesting? |
kibsolar

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Message Posted: 17/07/2010 19:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 52 of 63 in Discussion |
| zerochlor... during the years, this is the 50th discussion about pool-purification systems.. we have seen people coming and going, like the poolsan guy how could not make us understand "what is in his bottles" and to proove him that there ARE chemicals in it. same with guys who claim that "chlorinators are chemical free", an endless story. we did post articles about the "danger of chlorine and other chemicals in pools" years ago and all is downloadable from our website. We did discuss with eg Vaughan, the pros and cons of different systems, eg Necon and Alligator. Therefor: i do not discuss Necon systems in this forum any more, neither i do find it necessary to "show pools around".Visit the necon website, there you can see pools, eg a Necon installation for the olympic games in Athens. thank you and kind regards. |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 18/07/2010 01:46 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 53 of 63 in Discussion |
| kibsolar. Thanks for your answer! Yes we know poolsan came and went here in TRNC. http://www.poolsanuk.com seems to be still going strong in many other countries though,good luck to them. ive been on your website,and to be honest,either im a little slow on the up take or what im looking for is just not there ? i was asking for a price for a 10 x 5. 1.2 min depth and 2m max depth,what would it cost me to install or you to install your proper equipment with out useing chemicals? i have a interested customer,who is useing zerochlor but would like this system you offer,as he has moved from chlorine to non chlorine,now he wishes to take the next step,non chemicals. is it possible to offer me a price either in email or here in the forum? or just a guide price? |
kibsolar

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Message Posted: 18/07/2010 12:17 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 54 of 63 in Discussion |
| zerochlor on our website are several brochures and some interesting studies, as eg "chlorine and cancer". nevertheless... the http://www.Necon.de website probably is nicer. to your questions: no. We only sell to endcustomers. The "Necon- subject" we do not discuss with "builders", "builders companies", "developers" , pool companies or anybody else who is in the, more or less, same business. the given information are usually misused, either to promote their own products or... to lead the customer to another product because.... we dont pay any commission. Necon is a non chemical solution for boats, camping, legionella problems at home and in hotels, cooling towers and many more, as eg green houses. and... of course, also for residential, commercial and communal pools. i have another post, advertising PV modules. maybe it is the time for paying "5 years pool pump electricity bill" upfront and get 20 years solar- pumping for free? |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 18/07/2010 14:34 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 55 of 63 in Discussion |
| ok kibsolar. Thanks for the reply. i was not looking for commission from my customer or you,just end satisfaction for them,i shall tell them when they arrive back to call you round to there villa for a quote,maybe i shall be there so as to understand the workings of necon system. Regards. And happy chlorine free swimming folks. |
cypgab

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Message Posted: 18/07/2010 15:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 56 of 63 in Discussion |
| Nothing is non chemical! What an odd statement. |
downunder

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Message Posted: 19/07/2010 13:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 57 of 63 in Discussion |
| hi ozbey you know you can even do that for your self visit Bellaview Hotel the pool is located on the left side of the hotel. if you want ask for Can bey the manager he will tell you how low the cost of electricity is and you can test the pool your self cause what ever I say or do here is not enough of an evidence. I would not believe my self to be honest. the best way is to show our product and get feedback from the people that use it. Another thing it does not work the same time as the pump it only works 8 hr on separate time thats why it has a low electricity cost. it draws the same amount of electricity as a light bulb. thnx all take care |
zerochlor

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Message Posted: 19/07/2010 16:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 58 of 63 in Discussion |
| all my light bulbs are 6watt low energy!! so is it 25W/40W/60W/100W There are so many bulbs to choose from! |
kibsolar

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Message Posted: 19/07/2010 16:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 59 of 63 in Discussion |
| msg 55, "workings of necon system" you can see at necon.de msg 57 are you sure that 8 hrs in summer are sufficient? i remember that exactly this was a problem in other chlorinators. pool pump in summer needed to run 10 to 14 hrs because the chlorinator wasnt able to produce sufficient chlorine levels during "normal" pump times. Would not be a problem if your customers would change also to solar pool puming..... this pump is "on" for 16 hrs in summer.....but you write "....works on seperate time for 8 hrs...." how that? does your system incl a seperate pump as well? working on "light bulb consumption"? actually a quite big bulb with a "up to 170W" consumption. |
Taliha

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Message Posted: 30/07/2010 23:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 60 of 63 in Discussion |
| I know that I am a bit late for this post, too busy to log on! However downunder, can you please confirm if any of the pools or hotel pools in the trnc use your mineral salt system for their pools. I have 2 children, and I prefer not to use chlorinated pools, and going to the beach is a pain. |
downunder

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Message Posted: 31/07/2010 01:00 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 61 of 63 in Discussion |
| hello taliha Bellaview Hotel uses it pls feel free to try it out thnx |
Taliha

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Message Posted: 01/08/2010 22:55 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 62 of 63 in Discussion |
| thank you very much, downunder. |
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Message Posted: 02/08/2010 10:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 63 of 63 in Discussion |
| Zerochlor, All pool systems use some chemicals. You could not keep pool water clean, blue and healthy without them. Necon systems and Aligator systems are similar in that they use copper and silver to treat the water. They do require oxidizers but you could do without them if you are prepared to sacrifice water clarity. All systems need the pH to be controlled and therefore all use something like sodium bisulfate. It follows that there is no such thing as a chemical free pool. |
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