rauol moat. shot just as i thought Part 2

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 21:41

Hector.

what on earth will you come up with next.

You tried to shame me with my post regarding police brutality and corruption,then you copy and paste it 3 times, when i did not bite and offer you some verbal abuse as you thought i would ,you then come on here and say your getting enrolled into porn sites.

maybe your talking about spam your getting in your emails?

normally you only get this kind of spam if you have been twitching on some porno sites

I feel you are now scraping the barrel old boy and despratley seeking some kind of solace as you now realise everything ive said is 100% true,and your comment about all the people supporting you for making a stance,WHAT STANCE OLD BOY IS THAT MAY I ASK!

all you seemed to have done is deny to yourself the forthcomming truths that will be in the media in the next few days.

Anyway, back to the real reason for this thread.



The truth .THE RIGHTS AND WRONGS. TRANSPARANCY. UPHOLDING THE LAW.CORRUPTION.

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 21:45

KAVENKOY



yes now they are near the boat and horses next to the rochdale canal.



also the north west terroist unit work out of there aswell.



wynyardman.

That should be interesting to be able to speak to some of the medical staff from that hospital, strange wasnt it how they took a dead moat to the same hospital that the recoving police was in also!



should be some interesting news on sky tomorrow after a national newspaper pays for this second autopsy!

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
20/07/2010 21:49

zerochlor When I challenged you with regard your apparent claim (I summarise as you don't like me cutting & pasting your post 116) that you were beaten up by police and despite 3 broken fingers never cracked under interrogation' Your reply was "i was giving a example of how there was police brutality in the 80s



i never said i was convicted



and i never told you if i got compensation for wrongful arrest and police brutality"



You state you are for the truth, the facts and transparency but didn't reply about whether you have criminal convictions. Are you one of the claimed fugitive criminals hiding out in the TRNC? Did you claim for police brutality despite this incident you quoted being pure fantasy? Would you care to enlighten us on exactly what your experience of police brutality has been?

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 22:11

i told you in message 116 about police brutality.



Again you are sensationolising the story and lieing to the forum,you are a born lier and a fool



please show the forum where i said 3 broken fingers!



I never said nothing about not cracking under interogation,i said i was having such a good time i didnt talk or answer there questions.

if you are innocent,no amount of beating will make a real man change his thoughts for a easy life.



And guess what matey,i am a real geezer



That was my 1 and only experience with the dirty stinking animals who called them self police men from the serious crime squad,who i wished the worse death of all on all of them and there next of kin,why cos they kicked the 10 colours of shyte out of me ,3 of them,for nothing,as to whether i made claims to police brutality and got compensation is on a need to know basis.



and you guessed it bigg boy..you just dont need to know!



so now what,anything else you want to know,cos i want to get bak2 moat

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 22:22

http://www.ligali.org/article.php?id=1999

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10581584

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/8452065.stm



wouldnt it be sad if the police find out that the gun moat shot and killed 1 man with and maimed 2 other people,blinding 1 police man that his sawn off shot gun was supplied by the bent coppers of durham which is not to far from moats stomping ground.



now that would put the cat amongst the pigeons wouldnt it



guns do travel very well !!

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 22:26

oh and message 3



hector



dont be so deluded



you never challenged me!



you sat at your little keyboard copying and pasteing



while i was laughing my nutz off

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
20/07/2010 22:26

This discussion is probably more protracted than what the eventual enquiry will be. Until the enquiry is finalised and published can we not start a thread "who killed Cock Robin"?

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 22:29

hope your pool is looking good deputy dawg



back to the purpose of this thread now!

deputydawg


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Message Posted:
20/07/2010 22:36

Only one week on with Zerochlor but initial result beyond anything I could have wished for ! Many thanks.

jinky777


Joined: 05/07/2010
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
20/07/2010 23:27

First post...........

Raul moat issue...

He was convicted criminal with a long record and a drug taking doorman. He shot his girlfirend after release from prison (fact) He shot and killed his ex girlfriend's new partner (fact) He shot and blinded a serving police officer(fact). He died by shooting himself with his own gun (fact).



He should of been giving help , but did he want it ?. Its only my opinion, but I think that he was to far into steriods etc to accept or understand enough to accept any sort of help or even to listen to reason from any of his so called friends.



I in no way think that the police are innocent in this whole episode, but believe that us mere mortals will have to continue speculating and listeningand reading all the crap that is put out by the media. We will have to wade through alll the bull@@it and decide for ourselves what we believe is true and what is not...



ISN'T THAT WHAT MAKES A GOOD DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isabella


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Posts: 199

Message Posted:
20/07/2010 23:48

Why is this on Cyprus44?

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/07/2010 00:22

Because Isabells Cyprus 44 is our Daily Mail )) so dont believe every thing you read..you can agree or disagree and sometimes like me keep the hell away from some Threads and leave them to it....Hope this helps )))





Spider,X

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 00:24

message 10



a very nice post,your correct,this is what makes a good debate.



tomorrow or the day after should make it much better i hope!



message 9. im only too glad your so happy 1 week in,im posative youll keep on being happy swimming in a zerochlor pool.



Back to the original post now!

SAFFI


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 00:26

I totally agree Isabella,

Checkmate


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 04:54

Well said jinky....all facts!!!



Another fact is he is no longer with us.



Move on, plenty of other nutters out there to worry about!!

jinky777


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Posts: 25

Message Posted:
21/07/2010 06:48

Zerochlor............



I apologise if I have upset some members who are reading this forum, but was reading a few post and was interested in some of the thoughts on the matter.. I followed the story from day one and have listened to all the news reports throughout .(even gazza's little episode) . I was a belter by the way.

I can understand everyone has got there own opinion and that is what counts, we cant all agree about everything........



With regards the 2nd post mortem tomorrow I would be surprised if we get any facts that will change our opinion about what went on... The poilce and Raul moat are the only one's that know the truth and one of them wont be saying too much...

Once again I apologise if this contribution to the dabate is causing any offence to any other members of the forum......

NOT...............

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 08:41

jinky777



your contribution is welcomed,and so is all others no matter there thoughts.



This is what makes for a good daily debate on some thing that will be in the press for a long time to come.



With regards to the second post mortem today,it may well show that it may of been something other than a shotgun shot that killed him and some other kind of bullit,or it may be conclusive that is was his own shotgun,either way the family will draw some peace from it and all involved can rest.



As to you causing any offence to any members of the forum,i dont think so,oh but maybe just to maybe 1 member,as of yet,he has not said if he is a ex police man,but be sure,he is a real member,as in the other word

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 09:10

jinky may I just ask what long criminal record he had...thanks

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 10:13

1 previous Dee



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Northumbria_Police_manhunt

fiendishpaul


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Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
21/07/2010 11:33

Could this be the reason that Moat, whilst being arrested and charged over a dozen times, only had one conviction ???



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/07/12/raoul-moat-was-police-informer-exclusive-115875-22406210/



Sorry to say, but the world is a better place with one less violent thug around.



Just my opinion of course.



Paul

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 14:22

friendship paul.



Nice find,all is possible,as ive always said,they said kenny noye was a grass also when he was sentanced to life,is it true or false,who will know,the only way we would ever know was if we could see some paperwork and also if he was a grass he would of had a handler,and a name or number,or both,but maybe the police would never release these details,in saying that,his friend or so called friend,may have reason to say this



One of Moat’s old pals, Brian Moulding, learnt the ex-bouncer was feeding information to the law when he gave evidence to help police prosecute him.



Mr Moulding, 29, of Newcastle, said: “I have evidence that proves he was a police informer. I learnt he was an informant because it was referred to in the legal papers in my case.



im sure he never give this story to the daily mirror for nothing,it would be nice to know what money they paid,this was really the only story left to sell..calling some 1 a grass when they are dead is easy.

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 15:19

What a fair and level report



http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=21895

jinky777


Joined: 05/07/2010
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
21/07/2010 19:59

Zerochlor.......



You are so right that is a very good report and if anyone else is interested it is well worth a read......

rowlo



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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 20:19

i cant believe this guy is being made a martyr or a hero , he was a no good murderer , now take a look at you defenders of this piece of crap , if he had murdered someone in your family would this thread even exist ? i think not , who cares who shot him ,its a fiver for a bullet ,or a grand a week to keep him in the nick ,cheapest opption is alwaiys the best , hope he rots in hell.

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
21/07/2010 20:44

Rowlo I am a fan of your but not on this subject.



Tom Walker, the author of that article is a compassionate and thoughtful person, well written and well said.

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
21/07/2010 20:50

rowlo rowlo.



The thread or post is not about a hero.He is not a hero.



its about the rights and wrongs of the law and who upholds the law and truth and lies.



This about finding the truth,if there is any to find.



Also id never come to you to buy bullets for my desert eagle .44 mag,your to expensive !

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 10:43

Slightly off topic but I watched a programme last night called traffic cops, it was in and around Brighton and it showed what goes on in an average night, I have to say I was appalled and disgusted at the unprofessionalism displayed by the pc's, they had words with one guy and his girlfriend and then sat in the police car taking the pee out of him, a young girl, around 25 was arrested for driving on a ban, now fair enough I say but she admitted what she had done and caused no dramas until they hand cuffed her quite aggressively and threw her in the back of the police car, she was very slim and small, she told them not to manhandle her, but 3 of them dived on her, jesus christ and they wonder why the police are disliked and not trusted.



There were several other such incidents and all handled badly by the police, I know most coppers are brain dead and this just showed them up for what they really are!!!

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
22/07/2010 10:48

did it show the traffic police playing snooker ,? normally they play a game,,,,stop a red car,,,then look for another colour..the more points they make in the game for a colour.



yes it is very true

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 10:52

Morning Zero, No I didnt watch it from the beginning, I can believe that though....there are many good pc's out there but an awful lot of bad ones, most uneducated and very very power crazy!!!

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
22/07/2010 12:25

only since they dropped the height restrictions i think,now the small police men have a shocking attitude, not that im saying all smaller people have bad attitudes,after all im only 4.11" and my attitude is wonderful

catalkoykid


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Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 21:42

police at it again caught on camera,how can they not charge the copper, he hit tomlinson with a baton push him to the floor he died soon after no charges to answer OMG

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 11:16

why is there so much police brutality still in a civilised britain.



This video of ian tomlinson being beaten is dreadful



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/22/ian-tomlinson-g20-cps-ruling

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 11:22

im afraid a number of police are out of control, bloody bullies picking on people selling guns whatever next.







POLICE STATE

honestie


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 11:37

msg 22

Have read it I agree with you what a fair and level report



msg 27

I know most coppers are brain dead. Sorry I was a copper for 30 years certainly not brain dead . A very difficult job dealing with a lot of brain dead people in and out of the job. Im certainly not in any way ashamed of my job. I am ashamed of attitudes and certain incidents that occur within itbut theres also the other side that people dont hear that the police do and I certainly wouldnt use this forum to debate it.



We have to have a police force and god forbid you get locked up in some other countries.By that remark Im not defending the british police but attempting to show yes forces be it army police etc can be brutal and encourage bullies Ive experienced it myself. but the criminal fraternity also is made up of a lot of bullies by the sheer nature of their chosen lifestyle.



An interesting debate zerchlor , I read it with interest and try to not have a biased opinion eitherway.

fiendishpaul


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Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 12:01

Whilst many who have posted on this debate seem keen to criticise the police, it is worth remembering that there are over 136,000 serving police officers in the UK (the Met has over 35,000 officers alone). Thankfully, incidents like those involving Raoul Moat and Ian Tomlinson are relatively rare and because of this are sensationalised by the media. Yes, there are bad apples in all organisations but lets get this into context. There are over a million violent crimes committed in the UK every year, with armed officers attending over 16000 incidents, the number of times that the police have resorted to opening fire can probably be counted on two hands. Incidents like those mentioned above achieve headlines in all the papers, alas the bravey of police officers who deal with violent incidents every day of the week do not.



Just my opinion of course.



Paul

honestie


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 12:12

Paul



your opinion much appreciated. After 30years in the organisation I agree theres a lot not reported I can assure you. I agree that there should be accountability and there will always be bias on both sides .This thread was interesting to begin with

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 13:33

message 34



jackie,how are you stranger!!



nice to see you here,and not in manchester very fair of you to speak of your previous life !



also a very fair post i think you have wrote.



message 35

nice post also, you do say the number of time police have resorted to discharging there firearms can be counted on 2 hands, 2 hands of how many people did you mean paul??



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1294974/Bungling-armed-police-fired-guns-accidentally-110-TIMES-3-years.html

catalkoykid


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Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 13:41

who says 110 times is a accident,who determins a accident



its easy to say it was a accident when u blown away some innocent person



oppps,sorry,my naughty finger pulled the trigger lol



A police officer accidentally shot his own hand while cleaning the weapon at Wiltshire Police HQ in Devizes in July 2008.

A diplomatic protection officer shot himself in the leg getting into a car by mistake in September 2007.

A Northern Irish police officer accidentally blasted a hole in a hot water tank at a private address in County Down in April 2007.

A police constable and an acting sergeant blasted a cow eight times with a rifle and four times with a shotgun during a 'humane destruction' in Stockton-on-Tees in August last year.

A Bedfordshire Police officer fired off a Taser 26 times by mistake into a ballistic bag at an armoury in December last year.

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 13:45

he must of had mad cow disease shooting that cow so many times

honestie


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 14:14

thanks for the message and why would I or should I hide my job. As you know we have had many a discussion in the past just glad we didnt meet in manchester! and yep still here.



Just going off the thread slightly are you at the shop as could do with a chat about your product. zerchlor that is!



Anyway no more comments from me shall leave this debate to you and as you know I try to see all sides of a debate but sometimes difficult. enjoy your day



jackie

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 14:15

Zero



Yep take your point, but I was talking about how many times weapons are discharged at the scene of an armed response incident - 29 times in 3 years if the Mails' report is accurate - about 10 times a year, so two hands . As for 'negligent discharges' where a weapon is fired accidently, 110 incidents in 3 years is high but not surprisingly so. I was a marine for 28 years and have seen even the best soldiers have an 'ND', one went on to win a Military Cross in Afghanistan. Most of the time they are down to poor personal drills like leaving off the safety catch or forgetting that the weapon is made ready (round in the chamber) but can occur due to weapon/ammunition malfunctions.



Paul

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 14:16

yes,im at the shop,,call in for a cuppa

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 14:30

message 41.



theres many conflicting stories in the press,28 years in the forces,congratulations,and your still here to tell the story!

i say get them all out of afganistan and let the rag heads kill each other.



only my opinion!!



jackie, we did meet didnt we in manchester!!

wasnt it you who took a brown envelope off me with a few grand in it !!!

honestie


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 14:35

wish it was I would have worked for the other side! Ive had a few brown envelopes but were usually in my personal files as my bosses didnt like me think I was too honest!!



wii have good chat when I call in for the coffee

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 15:32

now here is another perfect example of over zealousness on the police behalf,hope i spelt it correct.



i know the surrounding details of the case and what was happening that day are shocking,



my post is not about that,its about another innocent man .



very good story though



http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=21850

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
23/07/2010 15:33

Five years ago police killed a 27 year old Brazilian electrician on a tube train in south London. Simon Basketter looks at what the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes reveals about the British state



It took 30 seconds for the police to kill Jean Charles de Menezes. The cover-up took a little longer. At 10.06am on 22 July 2005 Jean Charles sat down on a tube train in Stockwell, south London.



One police officer held him down while two others fired seven hollow tip bullets into his head and one into his neck. Three other bullets missed.



MAKES YOU THINK

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
24/07/2010 04:43

WOW



was i rea;lly this phissed!?



or wass i thirsty ?

twaddle


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Message Posted:
24/07/2010 10:38

Unfortunately, if you give people guns, there are going to be accidents and also times when the guns will have to be used. The decision to shoot is one that has to be made in a split second and then there will always be an inquiry when the benefit of hindsight can reveal all sorts of issues. There will also be lots of armchair experts who will spend their time exploring all the possible scenarios without half of the information made available.

As a recently retired, 30 years served police officer I served with some rogue officers, some of whom I was personally involved in ensuring tha they were expelled from the job and on one occasion sent to prison. Thus I understand why there is a perception that the Police are on occasions unworthy of respect. However, the vast majority (99.9%) of the officers I worked with were very decent hard working, honest people who put in an awful lot of good work. For the last 8 years of my service, I was responsible for the policing of an area (Cont'd)

twaddle


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Message Posted:
24/07/2010 10:46

(Cont'd) with a population of 46,000 people which was policed by approx 40 Uniformed officers and supported by another 30 Cvillian Support staff and Special Constables. As the commanding officer for the area, I was often required to deal with complaints from the public, some of which were justified although in the main of a minor nature. However, it was always pleasing that I received an awful lot more letters saying thank you, often for the kindness and simple acts of humanity displayed by my staff.

I suppose the point of my posting is to say, of course there are elements within the service where poor service lurks and sometimes downright dishonesty but on the whole the Police really are the good guys and invariably seek to get rid of bad officers as soon as possible. They give us all a bad name!

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
24/07/2010 11:31

good post twaddle no one gets it right all the time, but when it goes wrong there should be transparency all we ask for

twaddle


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Message Posted:
24/07/2010 11:34

Agreed, 100%!

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
24/07/2010 13:22

The Jean Charles de Menezes case was an absolute tragedy for all concerned. Whilst ultimately a case of mistaken identity led to the killing of an innocent man, it is also worth remembering that the officers who shot him were working on the assumption that the individual that they were pursuing was a potential suicide bomber - this was two weeks after the 7/7 bombings. When he entered the tube station they had to work on the assumption that he may detonate a bomb killing lots of innocent people. The officers, disregarding the obvious risk to themselves, pursued the 'target' and neutralized it in a way that would minimise the risk of any bomb being detonated, namely shots into the head to immediately kill the brain stem - brutal but effective.

Whilst these officers ultimately got the wrong man, their bravery should also be recognised, how many people would pursue an individual if they thought he carried a bomb ??



Just a thought



Paul

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
25/07/2010 10:33

So now Sam Stobbart claims Moat raped her .... well he can't defend himself can he...I wonder how much the NOTW paid her for that story!!!

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/07/2010 10:35

yes dee you have to wonder, instead of going to the police they go to max clifford x

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
25/07/2010 11:11

Hi Lilli, this whole story stinks, as Moat's uncle said, she has blood on her hands, she is a cheap little tart who has lots of money now, blood money.



See you in Sept xx

ang1706


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Posts: 570

Message Posted:
25/07/2010 19:18

The Moat family are just trying to get compensation!!

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
25/07/2010 19:23

mess 56 his brother and uncle never got paid for there sky interviews dont look like they are money grabbing unlike that slapper

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:24

message 48



Hello again twaddle,long time no see !



Well seems they got it wrong,YET AGAIN MATE!



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Accidental-Taser-Police-Apologise-To-Teenage-Girl-After-Hitting-Her-With-Stun-Gun---Nottinghamshire/Article/201008115678349?lpos=UK_News_Top_Stories_Header_4&lid=ARTICLE_15678349_Accidental_Taser%3A_Police_Apologise_To_Teenage_Girl_After_Hitting_Her_With_Stun_Gun_-_Nottinghamshire



SO VERY LUCKY IT WAS ONLY A TASER! poor girl,i do hope her compensation runs into the millions,she may well be mentally scarred for life,and possibly terrified when ever she sees a police man !

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:26

Dave another story of incompetent police action, god I hope she sues the shit out of them.

cronos


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:29

Zerochlor

What does this have to do with the dead lowlife?



If you want to continue to highlight injustices within the police force , of which I'm sure there are many , then it may be better to start a new thread rather than tenuously linking them to the scumbag Moat.

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:29

http://uk.autoblog.com/2010/08/06/police-smash-oap-car-window-and-drag-him-out-for-no-seatbelt/5



Read this story, disgraceful, I hope these vicious coppers get sacked...bloody disgraceful.

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:37

cronos message 60



do not read this thread if you are not happy with its content.



Thanks and good nite!



Dee, i watched the video yesterday,3 hooligan welsh police men,sorry,not men,bullie dogs,running and jumping all over a 70 year old mans range rover,kicking his windscreen,then smashing his side window,then man handling him out of the car,70 years old,can you imagine what they would of done if that 70 year old man was black,then they would of been seething to see a black person driving a better car than them

twaddle


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:00

Hi Zero. Obviously not a good shot!

My daughter was home well before half past 10 when she was 14 and would have had the sense to keep away from such incidents in the first place!!

I am not an apologist for all police actions, that is why there is a complaints system.

With regard to the Welsh incident, I only saw some of the footage but agree that from what I saw, it was totally over the top and unjustified.

As for those that advocate sueing the Police for lots of money, ok, go ahead, but just remember that the money comes out of the taxes that you pay and will ultimately lead to a worse service being provided.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:17

good Post twaddle, i suppose at 14 they should be home b4 10.30,but in the school holidays even my parents allowed me a bit more slack.



I agree with you about taxes,right now im living in TRNC,tax payer here,i suppose i was lucky when i lived in the UK,i was told by the tax id only paid £27 pounds tax since i left school,i said did i really pay so much!



Yes the welsh incident is another in a line of unjustified incidents.



Back on thread now,the moat second autopsy is not going to be released yet as there is going to be some kind of investigation,so the family will not give details of the second autopsy yet!

What could that mean i wonder!

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 20:29

From a distance this thread seems high on biased opinion and short on new facts.

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
07/08/2010 16:02

As I understand it the autopsys can be very painfull.