Cameron to fight for turkey joining E U

hammer


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 09:35

have a look here



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/David-Cameron-Turkey-Visit-Prime-Minister-To-Back-Countrys-Bid-To-Join-European-Union/Article/201007415671404?lpos=Politics_Top_Stories_Header_2&lid=ARTICLE_15671404_David_Cameron_Turkey_Visit%3A_Prime_Minister_To_Back_Countrys_Bid_To_Join_European_Union

Groucho



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 09:47

This is a chance for the EU and the western world to show that it can do business with moderate Islam. Anything else is a slap in the face that plays into the hands of extremists.



Having said that the overheads of EU membership are a double edged sword that will scupper their intentions a la "The country is the world's 16th largest economy and is expected to be the third fastest-growing, after China and India, by 2017."

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 10:19

Well Cameron certainly wants Turkey as a major player in the EU and it is clear that Turkey still harbours a desire to join, heaven knows why.



I hope Erdogan says get the TRNC recognised and we can talk, Europe needs Turkey ... not the other way round!

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 10:24

What astounds me is the number of ppl who have remarked on this and the amount that post on stuff like 'where do I buy an iron' or 'can I get pork pies'....... says a lot about the intelligence of the brits!

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 10:59

Excellent link Hammer,thanks for that.Dee any idea where i would be able to buy beer shampoo,lol,

Paul.

davedee



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 11:09

Agree message 5 good link thanks.



Paul with prices from 2.75tl at the roof you could 'shampoo' neat.



Dave.

Ailletoo


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 11:51

I read all the comments on the article and don't think there was one positive one amongst them. Why do they all think that everyone wants to live in the UK? An interesting article. At least it is a step taken, which is a positive as far as I am concerned. Why are British people so reluctant to let other citizens live in the UK (if they want to) surely Britain can hardly claim to have a squeeky clean history re occupying and colonizing ?

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 12:15

Dee,

The need for a new iron is probably more pressing (pardon the pun!) - and a damn sight more likely to happen

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 12:18

"Turkey can guard the camp but not be allowed to sit in the tent" Not a great admirer of Cameron,but i think that statement sums it up really,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 12:22

Now now Keith,are you saying Cameron is full of steam,

Paul.

tonyf


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 12:23

Cameron is making all the right noises, yes he needs others like the Germans on side, but yes Turkey must make TRNC a major area of discussion in anyway forward.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 12:35

Has Cameron any plans to meet with Eroglu,

Paul.

tonyf


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 12:58

11am Sky News about to show Camerson speech from Ankara, perhaps there maybe some interesting topcs?

Stewart


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 12:59

also via BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10767768

mackerel


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 13:04

Where do you buy the turkeys?

breezyboy


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 13:59

who wants Turkey and therefore TRNC in the EEC?

Interest rates are one good reason for being involved in TRNC and these will descend to the depths of EEC rates upon joining.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 14:13

Keith and Newlad lol, I do like a giggle....beer shampoo..oh yes,just upset someone in your local and I am sure they will oblige lol.

anlusan


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 15:48

france and germany don't want turkey in eu because they are its core and dictate. if turkey joins and britain aligns with turkey suddenly you have a different power base



but all in all the issue is at the forefront which is a good thing.



trnc as a eu member would have a huge strategic position, being a muslim (secular ahem) country just a few hundred miles of egypt,lebanon and syria

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 15:51

msg15



Where do you buy Mackerel!



wyn

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 17:19

Mess 19,

Where do you buy sat navs,

Paul.

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 17:34

anlusan, message 18 - it's not quite as simple as that. Germany is full of Turks already, the native German population of Berlin is less than 50%.

German people are having lots of bad experience of Turks, so the Government will not lightly take action that will upset the people.

In the area where I live, Turks have made themselves very unpopular.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 18:43

Newlad and Wyn behave lol

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 19:16

Well, a good message of support!



Now there shouldn't be any objection to direct flights from the UK into Ercan ....



mmmm

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 19:33

Anyone know where I can get a pair of rubber gloves - the dishwasher's broke and my wife's hands are sore.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 19:40

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/david-cameron-backs-turkey-for-eu/story-e6frg6so-1225897736559



There you go Dee.



Bill have you tried Tin pan alley,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 19:46

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/david-cameron/7912987/Turkeys-EU-membership-could-prove-invaluable-to-Western-security.html





There you go Dee,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 19:53

Msg 24,



Does that mean that the gloves are off now then Bill?



Has Hector found out who was sending him porn? Perhaps it was Dirty Des! Do you watch Channel 5 Hec? Yet!



Despite the implication, it was not I. I debate face to face, and if I lose I take it like a man.!



wyn

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 19:54

wyn. No, she's not having mine! )

eager


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 19:56

breezyboy msg 16......Too right mate..stay out of the Ec i say !!

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 19:59

Re: Msg 19,



wyn, super Mackerel in Orphanides, will go nicely with the glass of wine you are holding!

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 20:24

Msg 19



Theres something fishy about this post. Can I borrow the Gloves Bill?.



wyn

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 20:59

Pink gloves,what colour mancini Wyn.Wheres that bloody sat nav gone.Need to find "the bold Cheryl" again,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 21:19

Newlad,



Do as you were told by Dee. Behave yourself!



The Bold Cheryl knows what buttons to press, leave her alone, and she will come home!



wyn.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 21:28

Wyn. You can borrow the gloves. )

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 21:33

Us Northerners dont wear gloves Bill,

Paul.

rocky


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 21:35

think this has gone off topic and should be closed down, was looking for an interesting read but a load of junk posted

spider


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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 21:50

nelad Ruff hands...or do you Northeners wear Nivia ? Co-Co butter cream smells much better..





Spider X Gets rid of them old wrinkles too.

butterfly



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 21:52

Europe do not want Turkey in the EU. Largest Army, majority muslim country...EU completely terrified of that scenerio.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2010 23:16

Butterfly,

France voted against Britain but they became members.Turkey will join the clan,make no mistake about that.They will be involved in both the East and the West,

Paul.



Rocky,

Sorry,partly my fault.

newlad



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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 13:34

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/cameron-calls-cyprus-solution-year/20100728





Worth a read,

Paul.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 14:32

kaiserphil

'Germany is full of Turks already, the native German population of Berlin is less than 50%.'



So are you saying that the Turkish population is more than 50%?

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 14:44

I am saying that more than 50% of the population are not native Germans. Of those that are not, the majority (no, I do not know the precise figure) the majority are Turkish.

DeaconB


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 15:24

Used to be near 100% in the Kreuzberg District, which was a 'no go' area even for the polizei even before the wall came down.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 15:26

kaiserphil

The population of Germany is approximately 81,880,000, and declining apparently.

Around 16 million people are of non-German descent (first and second generation, including mixed heritage), about seven million of which are foreign residents and of which 2 million being Turks. All I can say is that you must live in an area that has a large level of Turkish residents.

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 15:48

Yes AJ, I do. OK?

The message is the same as before - don't expect Germany to welcome Turkey with open arms.

Cruella


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 16:40

I hope Turkey does not get in to the EU, we will have more non working benifit seekers coming to live in the UK.



At least when the Brits go to NC they contribute to the economy!



Should we rip the Turks off? No we are more PC

Will your homes in NC be worth more? No



We will just have to contribute more to help countries like Greece, Spain and the rest of the money grabbers.



Do we benifit by being in the EU? NO NO NO

girne 29


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 16:56

kaiserphil



Spot on, backed up 100% by the Germans I know.



Turks generally congegrate in areas of low end housing and form self imposed ghettoes. A point that Edogan made to Turks when visiting Germany

"One of the biggest dangers is ghettoization," Erdogan said in reference to the tendency of Turks to congregate in certain, usually downmarket, areas in German cities. "



Berlin alone has 130,000.



I find it laughable that the UK ,or rather England,who have never liked the EU and are always talking about leaving, should want the EU to absorb Turkey and the huge influx of immigrants that will entail.

9% of the people living in Germany already, are not German citizens.

Maybe England should offer to take any more,

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 18:08

Girne 29 - plenty there already my friend.

They also, in this comparatively crime-free area, caused our local hospital to be fitted with safety glass and security doors! Only one reason why theye are so unpopular here!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 18:50

Message 48





Would have preferred the EU to stop at Poland.

Whats this thing with Turks ,and Yugoslavs etc, You know what apartment blocks they live in with all the national flags hanging over the balconies. Thats one thing at least we dont get in the UK.



God help us when Russia applies for membership.

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 19:05

Closely followed by China?

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 19:38

Re : Msg 47,



"I find it laughable that the UK ,or rather England,who have never liked the EU and are always talking about leaving, should want the EU to absorb Turkey and the huge influx of immigrants that will entail..."



girne, totally agree with you .As I've written in the other thread, Mr. Cameron (very anti-EU) only got involved in it on behalf of the American cousins ( they want to keep military bases in Turkey) after his wrists had been slapped in Washington re: Al Megrahi and BP fiasco. So he is earning brownie points.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 19:44

kaiserphil

Re: my message 44 and my last sentence in that message.

Where do you fit into the scheme of things?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 20:59

msge 51



It very much suits us to stay on side with the Americans. The US is still the most dynamic and innovative country on the planet.



Cameron seems to have a very clear strategy - keep Britain strong through the use of soft power as we can no longer dominate through hard power. Develop trade with emerging nations and use the English language as one of our strengths. All new foreign ambassadors will be business people first, diplomats second.



We cannot have power by being a top nation in its own right, so we have to piggy back on the power of emerging nations -China, India, Turkey and Brazil.



China wont let anyone suck up to them and still resent us over Hong Kong. Brazil, like most south american countries do not favour us. Now with India and Turkey we have possibilities. We have a shared language and history with India and with Turkey we have a strong history of trade. Of course, India will be difficult to win over.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
28/07/2010 21:16

ps Cameron has nothing to lose by pushing Turkeys EU membership. At the end of the day Turkeys EU status is not his sole decision to make. France and Germany will make that decision so Britain will be viewed by Turkey as the good guys.

If Turkey gets in to the EU then countries can place restrictions on how many Turks could come to their country. Britain placed heavy restrictions on Romanians and Bulgarians.

If it goes according to plan Turkey will raise it's living standards and less Turks will want to leave their country. Of course, with the state of the EU finances this goal might be difficult to achieve.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
29/07/2010 19:35

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2010/07/turkey_and_eu



Recently Cameron has been sucking up to everyone, US, India, and now Turkey.



Easy ,cos he knows people in EU will not tolerate Turkeys entry,



Cameron should watch out, because if I was France or Germany,I would ban all Turkish immigration and instead give them free assistance in reaching Britain.Cameron knows damn well Germany will take the brunt,not the UK.



As for the point about restricting immigrants,that is allowed,yes ,but is time restricted. I believe when the EU countries ,apart from UK did it with Poland ,it was only for 5 years to allow societies in these countries to adapt.



The level of regional aid given to Turkey, unless the criteria for aid is changed ,would be unaffordable at this time.

Bear in mind the turkish landmass has probably more underdeveloped areas with poverty than

the rest of EU put together.



The EU is beginning to be as silly as the Eurovision song contest,where Israel is in E

andre 514


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Message Posted:
29/07/2010 23:28

britain supporting eu turkish membership is the "kiss of death" I'm sad to say

how so?



after all britain was invited to join the coal and steel community in 1948,

and the common market in 1957



but the eu like any village council is led mostly by one or two leading lights,

no not lady mallingham-bulstrode, but crucial postwar allies france-germany



a late-joiner britain has found it exceedingly difficult to get any agreement

to reform the towering unaudited eu beauracracy or corrupt payments system



also as a soulmate of the usa britain is regarded with a modicum of suspicion



with the signing of the lisbon treaty, voting power is now based on population,

so france-germany continue on as the biggest unified block



oh down among the z-men of europe is the usual fear and racist paranoia

but turkish membership is already blanked by france-germany:

'coz turkey+britain would soon have more people than them and outvote 'em



and where is cyprus in all this? nowhere!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
30/07/2010 15:19

Andre



Agree with most of what you say

.Except. Dont see why Turkey and UK would vote together,any more than Turkey would vote with Gemany,or rather would expect Turkey to have more in common with Germany.



Dont think Germany and France are being rascist, not with the amount of people they take in compared to us.They are ,like me ,probably thinking that the EU is already to big as far as most people are concerned. and a line in the sand will have to be drawn. If we bring the rascist argument in, then it closes down discussion and as in the case of the BNP ,people go elswhere to air their ,to them genuine concerns.Anyway, dont think our objection to Polish immigration was rascist ,more fear of losing jobs.



As for Cyprus, its of no consequence to Europe except as an excuse to prevent Turkeys joining.

The ROC has had its time of wasting and now will be ignored.Doubt if one in a hundred Europeans know Cyprus exists other than a holiday destination,much less part of the EU.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
31/07/2010 13:21

girne, your last para is spot on:

so it's looking like "cyprus" wasted its money paying mp's to speak up for it?



no I wouldn't imagine turkey and britain forming a coherant bloc in the eu,

...only weakening france and germany's iron grip



racism is convenient label used by the pc brigade, maybe tribalism is more apt

but turkey does feel itself on the receiving end "if it looks like an elephant" ...etc



look at some of the eu and would-be eu eastern european states, though:

much less developed than turkey, and riddled with corruption and mafia control



andre

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
31/07/2010 16:55

AJ - your messages 44 and 52. "All I can say is that you must live in an area that has a large level of Turkish residents.". That the sentence you mean?

Are you asking where I live? Otherwise, not sure what you are on about?