property good or bad?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 13:45

This was on Euro news two days ago



I have never before seen the GC who has been taking action against the Orams



For old campaigners there is nothing new on this



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yIcATheov8U

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 14:12

Interesting stats from the video



Approx 22,000 foreigners have purchased in NC

Approx 14,000 foreigners live in the TRNC (Mostly Brits)

Foreign residents account for 40% of TRNC'S economic wealth.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 22:14

Euro news has some more interesting stuff



This is Talat being interviewed about the solution. He seems quite a strong charachter. He takes no s... from the interviewer. Not sure where Euronews digs these interviewers up from.



http://www.euronews.net/en/article/29/05/2008/the-future-of-northern-cyprus-with-mehmet-ali-talat/

Alasian


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 22:38

Thanks for the interesting video ilc.



This is one of the least biased videos internationally yet again even this one fails to portray a happy foreigner buying in North Cyprus as well as a Turkish Cypriot refugee from South Cyprus.



There are even Turkish Cypriot refugees from 1963, when many Turkish cypriot villages were occupied by GC terrorists.



The statistics in the video are also very interesting.



I also agree with your observation about Talat.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 22:58

Yes Alasian, it would have been good and more balanced if they had showed a British success storey and spoken to a TC who had lost land in the South. Same old themes.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 23:09

If 40% of the TRNC's economic wealth comes from foreign permanent residents, then it would suggest that the TRNC have had little choice but to sell the land. How can the GC's say 'don't sell our land in the North' when they have convinced the International community to impose trade embargoes on the TC's, stifling it's opportunities to create wealth, effectively keeping it poor.

Alasian


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 23:41

That's a secret of the Greek Propaganda machine.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 20:27

Hi Alasian



I was paying careful attention to see if Apostolides and Loizidou are experiencing an inpoverished lifestyle compared to some of the Settlers.

Thankfully, they have the perpetual and incessant sunshine to make life a little more bearable

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 21:02

They are professional people and as such can be expected to have done well in life. As opposed to Anatolian peasants shipped in by Turkey to make up numbers after the expulsion of Greek Cypriots. Plus international law is on the side of the refugees.

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 21:06

If foreigners account for 40% of TRNC wealth and there are approx 22,000 which is approx 10% of population it would appear foreigners are 4times on average wealthier than rest of polulation perhaps?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 21:33

PP



Professional people need opportunities to create wealth. You may be the most talented person on the planet, but if you the system doesn't provide you with opportunities to maximise that talent then life is going to be hard. Clearly the GC's have supporting structures and processes in place which facilitates professional opportunities. There are limited, if any opportunities for those living in the TRNC.



I am sorry that you feel that Anatolian peasants are just peasants. Perhaps if they were born in to another system, were able to get themselves educated many of them could have become professionals. Who knows, in that fold there might be someone who could split the atom, cure cancer or solve the riddle of the universe. We will never know.



They are not refugees, they are displaced people. I thought you would have learnt that by now.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 21:59

not splitting the atom, zero point energy

simma



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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 22:02

good post ilc, didn't know there were 22,000

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 22:15

PIKE

have you recently or in the past ,maybe at school prehaps been bullied ,

by a turk ,becouse quite frankly your animosity towards us stinks ,if you

think that there are no educated turks you must be asleep .

wake up mate we are all equal

we got here the same way and we leave the same way.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 22:30

Hi simma



I had no idea there was that many. I presume that Euronews were drawing from a reliable source.



Hi Pilgrim



Would that fit with what you observe?

newlad



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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 22:45

Mark,

Great posts just watched the interview with Talat.Very forthright in his views,

Paul.

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 23:37

I love cyprus,

personally thought there would be more than 22,000 by the amount of construction, even so 75% must be around Girne area, pretty sparse on east coast, Bogaz /Famagusta judging by whom we meet.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 23:50

Hi Musin,



No, I haven't been bullied by a Turk. Even as a Londoner, surely you realise they are by and large a gentle people? Get out and meet some real Turkish people.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/07/2008 23:56

ILC,



The two GSs I mentioned are university educated so obviously they have had better chances in life. Surely there's nothing in dispute there? Also, you've taken my use of the term "peasant" as a pejorative term when it was merely descriptive. Peasants will never have the opportunities of graduates.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 00:09

pike

i got news for you i am a real turk ,the question is what are you.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 00:22

ILC: "They are not refugees, they are displaced people. I thought you would have learnt that by now."



You are absolutely correct. A refugee is someone who has fled to another country. Since there is only one country in Cyprus, namely the Republic of Cyprus covering the whole island, they are indeed displaced persons.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 00:25

Musin: "i got news for you i am a real turk ,the question is what are you."



So you claim. Personally I'm someone who isn't insecure about his real identity.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 00:41

PP



Yes, educated people normally have better chances in life. I agree, but only if the opportunities to take advantage of it exist.



Would they have been able to get this level of education in the TRNC? Perhaps?(I presume they were educated in the South of Cyprus.)



Would they have been able to take advantage of the education they gleaned in the south if they lived in the north, to achieve the same level of wealth as they have now?



I take your point about 'peasant'. I inferred a cause and effect relationship between the first two sentences of your post. I took it to be derogatory rather than descriptive. Apologies to you.



Hopefully Turkish settlers offspring will have the opportunities to become educated. I am sure we can both agree on that? We probbaly disagree on where we would like them to be educated?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 01:18

ILC,



As far as I know Apostolides was a student and army reservist who was called up at the time of the Turkish invasion, so he was probably educated mainly in north Cyprus but don't quote me. Louizidou I'm not sure of but she was also pretty young at the time. Still looks pretty good now, I have to say. As for their life chances who knows - maybe the fact that they lost their homes and access to their roots gave them even more drive. Or maybe they were spoiled rich kids who did all right for themselves. My place is pretty close to Louzidou's and I've often pondered the situation in passing.



As for the prospects of the settler offspring, it would be churlish of me not to hope they do well in life and help build a new Cyprus. Sadly I know only too well the hold and influence the UBP had on the first generation families who they provided with GC land and homes and taught the meaning of distrust and hatred. I only hope the leftists and liberals now in power on both sides continue to go from strength to strength. History will IMO show they are the only ones Cyprus can be entrusted with.