TMT Day

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 09:40

Please remember today is TMT Day, the day to remember the TC Resistance fighters an underground organisation founded in 1958 with the assistance of the Turkish Government.



There is a book called In Reality No One Was Asleep by Ismail Tansu which catalouges the founding and the political intrigue within the Turkish Government.



The book title relates to the period up to 1963 when the TMT became truly active after the atrocities over Christmas by EOKA and the GC.

tracer


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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 09:53

Yes is nice to celebrate the days when the extremist from both sides destroy this country.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 10:12

msg 2



+1

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 10:39

Read the history, they were not extremist, they just tried to protect the villagers from the scum that ARE EOKA.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 11:00

Hi Dave,



The aim was Taksim ( division) and it didn't 'matter' if a Turk had to be blown up to stir up ill feeling, or a few bones broken , if a villager didn't want to boycott a GC friend's biz ?



Sorry mate, your reading is overly selective... :(

malsancak


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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 11:10

so M6, just to make your position clear, what are you feelings about celebrating EOKA Day on 1st April?

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 11:16

Mark



I can be selective, today is the celebaration of the men and women who served in this organisation and because of that I started the thread. I did not wish to take part in a discussion, it is their day.



Bet your glad you are not here Mark, mid 40's today!!!!!



David

tracer


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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 11:16

dave



gcs or tcs did not kill /murder anyone this was done by the extremist of both sides stop implicating a whole race for the acts of the few .

does the world implicate the germans race or hitler?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 11:19

so M6, just to make your position clear, what are you feelings about celebrating EOKA Day on 1st April?

tracer


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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 11:24

msg 6



EOKA was against the brits and anyone helping them gcs/ tcs this is all about celebrating EOKA Day on 1st April



EOKA B AND TMT is the real issue here and the guilty ones .

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 11:38

Dear Malsancak



this link might give you a 'clue'



http://www.flickr.com/photos/murgatroyd/4711835760/in/set-72157624201107734/



note the comments from me ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 11:44

Dear Dave,



your thread contains inferred 'praise' and no downside... don't pull the naive stroke with me ...



40C? You can keep THAT..



BTW Veta in in Siberia at the mo and it is 26-30C there - As you may know I have to be careful of the sun...

malsancak


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Message Posted:
01/08/2010 17:49

M6, I'm not clear from your link what your feelings are about celebrating EOKA Day on 1st April? This is because that event is not mentioned. Any chance of a simple answer?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
02/08/2010 08:19

M6, no clear response yet. EOKA Day, yes or no?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 08:14

So, mmmmmm, I'll take it that you have no problem with EOKA Day then.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 10:00

Malsancak, I wonder what my msg 11 was about, then ?



But to make it simple - even for you..



*I* don't regard Greek nationals who interfered in Cypriot history as 'heroes'



EOKA B were the first to run as the TR army was close..



EOKA day left me 'cold' as they killed my fellow countrymen - they received training from Irish Nationalists - I'm an Ulster Proddie...



BUT.. I can understand any ex UK colony wanting independence - esp as it was promised - but NOT a movement that would want independence then to ethnically cleanse a minority



How clear is THAT for you.. ?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 10:18

A simple, I'm against EOKA Day would have sufficed. I'm not a great fan of intelligence, which you show a lot of. I'm a great fan of wisdom, however. Don't know why I deserved the inflammatory, "but to make it simple - even for you" - I was just asking for clarity and not obscure quotes. You'd make a good politician.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 11:01

Dear Malsancak,



*I* would have thought my response in msg 11 was sufficient so the tone of my response reflects your unnecessary posts of 2 and 4th August



Suggest you look in the mirror before getting 'upset' by how I respond - I am not known for being rude, but in this case you deserve it - I'm sure the desertion of your netiquette was a temporary aberration and I 'accept' you 'apology' - as I am a 'wiser' guy that you may give me credit for ....;)

keldanreb


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 11:36

heros,murderers,freedom fighters,terrorists,it all depends on what side of the fence your on. the spoils of war go to the victor.with it the lies and deception.look at all that greek rubbish that they are churning out,year after year,and they supposely lost.the world closed it ears and eyes to greek atrocities,and one day we will need our underground boys to defend us.so *i* will raise a glass.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 11:43

The TC's had no choice, stand up or die. The TMT filled that necessity.



Patientia est a donum superum

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 12:12

Dear Troodo



both TCs ( TMT) and GCs ( EOKA) were coerced into campaigns against the other ethnicities - be it commercial - don't use their businesses ( or else !) and in the case of TCS not all families willingly moved in ghettos.



like most things CY - it isn't black and white..

keldanreb


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 12:45

mmmmmm

the tcs defended themselves,they was not coerced into anything.it was defend yourself or die.from the 50s to the 70s ,gcs were murdering innocent tcs, all over cy. HARRY SCOTT GIBBONS GENOCIDE FILES.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 12:50

mm. If the TC's put your theories into action they would all be dead or deported.



Patientia est a donum superum

tracer


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 13:26

troodo

in the killings also count how many TCS people were killed by TMT when they refuse to move from their houses and the mixed villages ask denktash he knows very well.

YFred


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 13:36

Tracer I lived in Cyprus through 63 to 72. I am not aware of any TMT killings for people not moving. I seem to remember an incident in Aysozomeno village where eoka surrounded it and were about to go on a killing spree, when 50 Lurucadi TMT members appeared on the horizon and rescued them. They actually had a British soldier with them to corroborate the incident.

Believe me if any TC stayed in mixed village, the chances are they would have been killed by eoka. I am no TMT supporter and also appreciate the fact that there were some GC villages where the locals helped protect TCs for a while till they were able to escape.



TMT and Eoka were very close and worked in Partnership. Eoka pushed TCs from Mixed villages and TMT reciprocated by pushing GCs out of the same. TMT did kill high calibre people who opposed them, two of the famous ones outside Lurucina, but it is a GC myth that TMT actually forced TCs out of Mixed villages and into enclaves. That was EOKAs job and they bloo

Troodo


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 15:32

Tracer. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, little man.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 15:39

Dear keldanreb



I can recommend several less one-sided books and some just as uneven from the GC side ( than the 'genocide' files) .



We have heated discussions over the years about 'balance' and *I* suugest you do a search under the book your recommend



Sorry, but once a month I have someone posts as if I have never read the book nor visited many of the scenes of atrocities in Cyprus.. noe even spoke with GC / TC / TR / GR / UN / UK folk who lived through this horrible time.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 15:44

Hi Yfred re 25



I will dig around and find the tale of a TC who was 'asked' to leave a mixed village many times 63-74 .. he didn't go - nor did many others



TMT were the 'askers' - NOT GCs.



It is amazing how GCs and TCs still managed to remain 'close' during those times when folks with the opposite agenda sought to polarise.. AGAIN.. it wasn't 'black and white'

Troodo


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 15:47

mm Just go into the archives of the British papers of the times or perhaps listen to people who were there like yfred.

Heavens-for-bid that would never do would it, they all told lies.



Patientia est a donum superum

malsancak


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 16:45

m6 wrote,"*I* would have thought my response in msg 11 was sufficient"

Well you thought wrongly and not for the first time

malsancak


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 17:02

Just in case, there was a mistake and your link in msg 11 didn't go to the correct place where your views on EOKA Day should have been, I've published your comments which were about George Grivas:

"Hmmm 'hero' is a highly contentious thing to label him .. even to many Greek speaking Cypriots .. He didn't even get his aim of ENOSIS .. union with Greece ... A VERY controversial character in Cyprus history.." and then "*I* personally wouldn't rate a GREEK who IMHO interfered in CY history.. a hero, but that doesn't make me 'right'"

Perhaps I should have assumed, something I try not to do, that if you don't "rate" Grivas you are automatically against EOKA Day. In the end, what I hoped would turn out to be a clear condemnation of both organisations ended up in you taking my messages 9, 13, 14 & 15 as being insulting so that you felt the need to be insulting in message 16. Oh well, I'll put it down to the heat! ;-)

Troodo


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 23:22

Grivas said there were only two fitfity Eoke , today there seems to be many more.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 23:28

Dear Malsancak



You were obviously correct to attribute your inability to understand to the heat - suggest you write in a cooler room



Can you explain, therefore, where I thought 'wrongly' .. you were impatient and rude - where a simple re-read would have made things clearer.....



I run a group called 'Just Cyprus' on Flickr - I 'refused' the photo of Grivas to be submitted and wrote my comments.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
04/08/2010 23:41

mmmmmm



what do you know about the tmt apart from what you have read or been told,i suspect not much.







musin



long live the KKTC

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 09:17

Dear Musim M



It is customary to ask a question and WAIT for the answer ! As you WELL know I wasn't living in Cyprus - I have no direct experience of Cyprus before 2002.



Should I doubt the words of TCs if they don't tell me what you want to hear... ?



Do you dispute the coercion of TMT and the bombing of the Turkish Ministry of Information in Nicosia ( 1958) killing a TR national - the aim being to foster anti GC sentiment ?

tracer


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 09:45

mmmmmm



Do you dispute the coercion of TMT and the bombing of the Turkish Ministry of Information in Nicosia ( 1958) killing a TR national - the aim being to foster anti GC sentiment ?



who can he dispte this one even Denktas admit this as ( a friend tc plant the bomb)

Troodo


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 10:20

Tracer. Two GC's have admitted that they placed bombs and blamed the TC's, one at a school and one at a memorial.

Makes you wonder how many more, but at least two GC's have come clean - perhaps more will in the future.



Patientia est a donum superum

malsancak


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 10:42

m6 wrote "suggest you write in a cooler room"

or a cooler poster ;-)

m6 also wrote "I run a group called 'Just Cyprus' on Flickr - I 'refused' the photo of Grivas to be submitted and wrote my comments"

Now, am I alone in being very confused at what you are saying. In my understanding to "refuse" means "not to do" so why is there a picture of Grivas on your group's page? Now I guess you're going to accuse me of being stupid again and perhaps supply another link as a "clue" but I'm beginning to suspect that you are being deliberately obtuse in order to inflame and get this thread closed.

tracer


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 10:43

are you seeking for antidotes troodo we all know what happened from both sides and still blaming each other with no reason .if you scratch a wound it will never heal so we must forget and start the healing progress .

this arguing is driving nowhere .



Amicitia sine fraude

Troodo


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 10:55

Tracer. Then stop making stupid statements.



Patientia est a donum superum

tracer


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 12:55

sorry troodo i can help it my IQ is far below average.

keldanreb


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 13:24

sorry,thicko here.what is that latin all about....pogue mahone.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 13:54

re 33 malsancak



>>Now, am I alone in being very confused at what you are saying. In my understanding to "refuse" means "not to do" so why is there a picture of Grivas on your group's page? <<



HUH? .. You really DO need to lie down in a dark ( cool) room - this photo doesn't nor has NEVER appeared in my group..



>> Now I guess you're going to accuse me of being stupid again and perhaps supply another link as a "clue" but I'm beginning to suspect that you are being deliberately obtuse in order to inflame and get this thread closed.<<



If the cap fits... I don't want this thread closed - and yet again you just proved YOUR 'issues' with comprehension ...:D

tracer


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 13:56

Gaelic terms now very nice .

but sorry kel in my age i have to be more selective



Amicitia sine fraude =Friendship without deceit

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 14:01

.. lest you think me rude, too...



IF the phone of Grivas was in my 'Just Cyprus' Flickr group in would SAY do.. try this one..



http://www.flickr.com/photos/murgatroyd/4711835798/in/pool-490638@N22/



THAT one does mention my group ....



You didn't think it was MY photo did you ? !!!! :o

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 14:50

I wish there was an edit function - line two of msg 45 - I meant PHOTO - not phone ! ;)

malsancak


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 15:07

M6, I think there has been a mistake as I suggested earlier, the Flickr link in msg 11 is what I read and because of a lack of clear information took it to be your one. It's the heat or sunbursts or something. I can see why there is a Cyprus Problem - it's because people want to make things complicated, all I wanted from you was a confirmation that you wwre also against EOKA Day, just to confirm that you didn't have a GC bias in this issue and instead of a simple "I'm against EOKA Day" you've ended up writing all the above. I'm going to sit in the fridge now and have a beer!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 15:09

The POINT is you knew you din't even have to ask the question in the first place :( .. Is that how you do apologies.. ? ;)

YFred


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 16:18

Can I just add one last point to prove to you that it was extremely rare for TC to be forced out of their villages into enclaves by TNT? I am not saying it did not happen else where but it did not happen in my area.



Around Lurucina, there was 2000 people from 6 villages which came to our village and stayed there until 1968. The fields the worked on were well outside TMT defensive positions. They could have walked to their village any time they wanted as all were within 3 miles of Lurucina. Out of 2000 people not one person did. Some in Petrofan and Goshi went back after 68 when things were calmer but none went back to their village from Dali Bodamya or Aysozomeno. If TMT was blocking them not one would go back.



Stop Kidding yourselves, Eoka drove these people off their land and made sure they could not come back. Dali, Bodamya and Aysozomeno people waited till 74 and moved to the north rather then go back to their villages.



Cont.

YFred


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 16:18

Cont.



Some people have since the crossings have opened have moved into these villages as well, but very few.



Just do not believe the GC myth that TCs enclaved themselves. It is just simply not true.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 16:24

M6, I'm getting sick of you telling me what I believed and I don't know where you get this apology idea from either. Either take what I've written above as a serious enquiry and surprise at your reaction or just call me a liar on this board, or are you just going to carry on insinuating something about my character? I don't know anything about you apart from you've something to do with satellite TV, you don't seem to like the TRNC and you get banned on here from time to time.

keldanreb


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 17:50

malsancak.......................do what all tcs are expected to do,say sorry for defending your family and friends,and tmt.

raise a glass tonight.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 19:34

Dear Yfred



just to confirm I accept that - in your area TMT was not doing the coercing - can you accept that there WAS a campaign to stop TCS using GC businesses - that kicked off in the late fifties..



Will you accept that TMT WERE 'suggesting' that folks move and that many villages were still quite mixed - even in 74? The myth that TCs allowed to be enclaved by theri own.. I accept that this was an exception - not a rule .. my point was to demonstrate that TMT weren't 'saints' .. They disposed of left wing TCs in the same way EOKA did..



Malsancak, if you are getting 'tired' of me 'reminding you' don't keep 'spoiling' your admission of a mistake by 'blaming' me - I CLEARLY demonstrated who was inattentive..



It is QUITE clear that you know nought about me - but my stance on CY is constant - a soln. based on a new Federated state , bi-zonal, bi-communal - akin to Annan- THAT would make a many a GC think I am a 'Turk lover' - as it rewards Taksim... do keep up.. !

YFred


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 20:05

MMMM



I accept that TMT were no angels and had a campaign of silencing people who did not agree with them. I can also confirm that TMT did kill high caliber Left wing TCs like Kavazoglu but he was also on the eoka list to be killed.



TMT did not stop people doing business with GCs. They merely punished TCs for selling land to the GCs. My father bought plenty of land from the GCs with no problems and had had business with them too. in Dec 63, there was an announcement made calling all hospital workers to report to there work. TMT warned 4 people from lurucina not go as it may well be a trap. The only 4 which did not take the advice were actually picked up by police (EOKA) officers outside Piroi and have been missing since. If only that had listened they would have been alive today. I can only tell you what I have experienced personally where I was. I went to school whith lots of refugee children inc N. Kizilyurek. We had a good idea how sacred they were of EOKA, believe

YFred


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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 20:08

Cont.



believe me.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 20:45

Mark

'I wish there was an edit function - line two of msg 45 - I meant PHOTO - not phone ! ;)'



There is an edit function and quite powerful at that. It is called 're-read your posting and make any adjustments before you hit the Post Reply button'.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 23:33

re 56



says the guy who HAS an edit/ delete feature... ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2010 23:39

Yfred



thanks for continuing to accommodate me.. !



Would you like to explain this quote from a TC site - concerning TMT and 'boycotts'



http://tinyurl.com/3a42khz concerning TMT day..



>>TMT organized a boycott of Greek-Cypriot products and shops, just as EOKA was presiding over a Greek-Cypriot boycott of British products.<<

YFred


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 00:26

I think you will find there was more damage done to TC/GC relations by the roc who insisted on only paying TC second class prices for their produce even though they were first class than anything TMT did to damage inter communal shopping activities between 58 and 63. After 63, I wonder how many TCs needed any encouragement to shop or not shop at a GC shop.



TMT also tried to stop us talking GC, penalty was 10 pounds.



Je kserumen bolla elliniga.



Get my drift.

TMT was a defencive force reacting to GC demand for Enosis. When we used to travel between enclaves, Enosis was on every bloody wall. That matters.



TMT supporters will claim all sorts. Just how much in control were they in the country side?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 09:36

M6 wrongly quoted me "Malsancak, if you are getting 'tired' of me 'reminding you' don't keep 'spoiling' your admission of a mistake by 'blaming' me - I CLEARLY demonstrated who was inattentive.. "

Is that your last words on the matter? Perhaps I should buy a decrypter when it comes to trying to translate your gibberish?

TMT were formed after EOKA and without the former there would have been no need for TMT. I support neither organisation but it seems to me that M6 is enjoying focusing blame on the TMT whilst, from the start, minimising EOKA's contribution. That is why in response to the question "so M6, just to make your position clear, what are you feelings about celebrating EOKA Day on 1st April?" he replied "this link might give you a 'clue'" instead of writing anything which might be picked up by Google linking him to outright condemnation of EOKA.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 10:11

I agree with M6, I wish there was an editor. Instead of "TMT were formed after EOKA and without the former" I meant latter.

rocky


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 10:31

lets face it in any conflict there are atrocities by both sides surely it is better to work for a better and secure furture rather than argue about matters perhaps some of us were not even involved in. Some accounts will be accurate some hearsay and some propaganda but we must remember as well as heroes there were many many casualties and many many families suffered on both sides of any conflict. It is still going on across the world......what has man learnt...are we supposed to be the most intelligent mammals on earth?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 10:38

rocky, the point of the thread is that annually there is a day in the north and one in the south to celebrate TMT and EOKA and, whilst at the moment these celebrations are on separate sides of the island, in a United Cyprus Republic they could be seen as offensive to the supporters of the other party. They could even spark riots and racial violence and even push Cyprus towards a 1974 type situation. Not a pleasant thought for those of us living in Cyprus.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 10:56

rocky/msg 62: 'what has man learnt...are we supposed to be the most intelligent mammals on earth?'



So, by that reckoning and reading 'between the lines', since Nicosia is the last divided capital in Europe, are you suggesting that Cypriots are the least intelligent 'mammals' in Europe?!'



One sad, but indisputable fact is that they are certainly their own worst enemies.

rocky


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 11:01

yes I understand that but should they be allowed to continue especially if we have a unified Cyprus (which I suspect may never happen) I feel some of the reasons for marches and parades (all over the world) are to intimidate opposing views and possibly to ignite problems. Will we human animals ever improve and accept that what we do may offend others. Why are any marches necessary do they do any good??? or are they just an excuse to regenerate our tribal roots.

rocky


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 11:02

mesasage 64 why do you read between the lines there is nothing there, I said what I wanted to say..but here we go again

malsancak


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 11:08

The south, as the alleged governors of the island, should now be taking the same stance against the April 1st EOKA Day as I suspect they would take against TMT Day in their version of the UCR.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 12:58

I am curious



What does TMT day look like? How is this day remembered? Is it low key or a big affair? How many people are involved? Are most people in the North unaware of the day?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 14:37

at a guess it's probably like many UK commemoration days, largely ignored. This could change in a United Cyprus though

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 14:45

msg 69;



"United Cyprus "



I guess above is new in dictionary.



Only an hour ago I watched Ahmet YILDIRIM being interviewed on Genc tv......and today is the 6th of aughust.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 15:09

msge 69



Thank you for your response.



In a United Cyprus I guess things could indeed change. If the two sides were unable to form a harmonious common identity, then both sides would look to strengthen their own individual identities. Both Eoka and TMT could be reinvigorated. .

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 15:44

re 60 Mal..

>>M6 wrongly quoted me << No I was addressing you.. demonstrating you are inattentive AGAIN ?!



>>Is that your last words on the matter? Perhaps I should buy a decrypter when it comes to trying to translate your gibberish? <<



YES.. you are the one who admitted it must be the heat... once again - you did to READ with attentiveness - I HAVE answered..



>>TMT were formed after EOKA and without the former there would have been no need for TMT. I support neither organisation but it seems to me that M6 is enjoying focusing blame on the TMT whilst, from the start, minimising EOKA's contribution. <<



I don't disagree with your time frame and if you choose to wrongly interpret everything I say - it is clearly too hot for you, still... I CAN communicate just find with Yfred ...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 16:28

( cont) or just fine, even.....

malsancak


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 16:45

M6, I guess I don't bother reading what you write and I doubt that I'm alone. Is that your last word? ;-)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 16:53

Mal.. I am SURE you did 'read' what I wrote - just not carefully enough... in fact your msg 74 suggests you are still reading and STILL not paying attention ;)

malsancak


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 17:05

M6, of course I 'read' what you 'write'! I was only 'teasing' you, just like I was by 'asking' if that was your last 'word' on the matter. Mind you, I do find what you 'write' a bit 'incomprehensible' at times.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 17:23

Dear Mal.. I noted the ' ' at the end of your post and hoped you'd get the tongue in the cheek 'riposte' marked in the same fashion !



I will try to be clearer...

YFred


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 17:27

6M, what powder do you use war washing your words?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 17:30

'Gun' powder....

YFred


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 17:44

Do you smoke?

YFred


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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 17:45

I imagine you being a pipe smoker for some reason. I would suggest you change you washing powder.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 18:05

Dear Yfred,



I don't smoke, as the aforementioned washing powder is rather prone to combust easily ;) I'm having my own form of 'Ramadan' - ( fasting) - my wife is away in Siberia for five weeks ...

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 18:08

M6, and I'll try to understand more clearly and that will complete the equation:

COMMUNICATION=CLEAR TRANSMISSION+CLEAR RECEPTION+CLEAR INTERPRETATION

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
06/08/2010 18:18

6M don't worry I shall consume enough food and enjoyment (wink wink say no more) for the both of us during Ramada. When is it by the way, just so I know when to double my portions.

How careless can you get, how did you let your better half go to Siberia for so long alone?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2010 19:32

Hi Yfred,



I wanted to go - but couldn't stay for five weeks - her Mum isn't enjoying good health and someone has to help with the 86yr old Granny ! It isn't EXACTLY a 'holiday ' !



If I get a chance - and the Russians let me have a Visa - I might go.. but it is LONG way to go for a short visit ... She lives as far East as Thailand - and there are no direct flights- and long layovers...



11th Aug - 9th Sept, btw ;)

tracer


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Posts: 442

Message Posted:
08/08/2010 00:24

this is your paradise yfred and yiokoslu



http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=22874&z=19



ego dkievazo tourjika yfred e milo mono.

insider


Joined: 16/11/2009
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
08/08/2010 01:55

msg 86.



Is this the real paradise?



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/homeless-pole-dies-after-being-released-hospital/20100608



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/shelter-plea-paphos-homeless

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/08/2010 02:33

tracer



http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/photo.php?pid=5016928&id=120996901720&subject=416023819717&ref=mf



This is the paradise I am on about.Did not think you were as thick and nedeed it in black-white is the reason I did not provide evidence before hand.

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/08/2010 08:15

yiorko a flag dosent make a paradise people are why they should live like this and dont believe is their choice to live like that.

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/08/2010 08:28

msg 87

5,000 Polish are in Cyprus insider and the majority are drunk day and night what do you expect i had two employees for a year you cannot imagine the problems they cost me 7 am with α beer in hand .

and some of them are Drug addicts.

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
08/08/2010 09:03

Don't see many in the north Tracer.