Not that bloody pipeline again

newlad



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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 11:32

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=62394



This has to be seen as a very positive mood.And goes to show that Turkey will not be abandoning Northern Cyprus.Turkey.Is it the big push for two states for the end of 2010,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 11:40

newlad,



If the pipeline goes ahead it will give the TCs a hold over the whole island.



Will it be a case of Grab them by the b---ls, and their hearts and minds will follow?



Certainly one hell of a negotiating tool!!



wyn

newlad



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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 11:45

Hi Wyn,

Totally agree,water is such a precious commodity and Turkey have it in abundance.Lets hope it comes of,lots of sceptics think it wont,

Paul.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 13:36

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122195532

newlad



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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 13:45

A very fair and valid point,

Paul.

zcacmxi


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 13:49

The Pipeline will be inaugurated by Whitney Houston singing a duet with Elton John... They will all fly in to Ercan directly.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 13:52

msge 4



Yep water is one of the big issues. Egypt as an example has always relied on the Nile for it's water and imports water in the form of food staples such as wheat. The big problem for Egypt is that the country at the source of the Nile and those countries where the Nile passes through are laying claim to the river, something that they have previously not done.



Water gives Turkey tremendous power as it controls much of the water that goes in to the Middle East, and of course, it may now be able to provide water to the TRNC giving it more power in turn. The TRNC could grow lots of food for export, which in effect means it could export water in the form of food to the Middle East.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 14:23

Mind you, I guess the amount of water that enters the TRNC from Turkey would largely only be available for domestic use and there may be certain limits on the amount available for commercial use.



Any Comments?

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 14:48

msg 8,

75 million tons is a LOT of water!

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Turkey_Turkish_Cypriots_sign_water_pipeline_deal_999.html

I would think that they'd let you use it for whatever you wanted, provided that you paid for it...

hal9000


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 15:18

I believe 15 million tons will be for domestic use and the rest for agriculture/industry. This will give the TRNC the boost it needs to finally gain international recognition.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 15:33

msge 9 and 10



Great news indeed

zcacmxi


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 15:47

msg 10:



Water, direct flights, a-listers giving concerts and now International Recognition too...



What will there be left to look forward to after we get all that?

YFred


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 15:50

As Kucuk signed this agreement, was it 75 or 85 Million Tones.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 18:19

This old chestnut again. Along with other projects like direct flights it has been spoken about for years and years and will continue to be spoken about for more years and years.



Same re guritated news

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 18:24

I think we'll get direct flights soon!

zcacmxi


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 18:30

Although the Girne / Alsancak Bypass road did actually open....



That is one ticked off the list. The Water Pipeline & Direct Flights is still hoped for... Oh, and a reliable electricity supply!

greylag


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 19:17

I wondered how long it would be Mess 14 before the doom mongers found there voice.This is absoluteley brilliant news,so dont knock it,

Grey.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 19:42

This time its for real. Its the cheapest and most effective weapon in the Turkish armoury!



wyn

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 19:47

RE msg 3, newlad: (...) Totally agree,water is such a precious commodity and Turkey have it in abundance. (...)

=> That may be so for the time being. But friends from Ankara told me that in the past two years even the capital of tiger Turkey was without water for two months. Turkey has water - but it completely lacks the infrastucture.

greylag


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 19:47

Wyn,

I admire your optimism,

Grey.

Tootie


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 19:53

Agree with 17 & 18.

You have to take into account this is still a young country and very dependent on Turkey. But things are changing rapidly, If only people can look further than just whats in front of them! Nothing is ever perfect.

greylag


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 21:15

They will never put a man on the moon its impossible,

Grey.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 21:24

Transport all the Legislators and Judiciary to the moon and there maybe a crescent of hope for the TRNC!



Richard

Hector


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Message Posted:
10/08/2010 22:53

Red Cross parcels being delivered soon...

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 11:17

Dutch re-mess 19 good point,

Paul.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 12:53

The TRNC should build a water transfer pumping station on the border and ask the GCs if they want any, and what they will trade for it.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 14:12

msge 26



They would probably offer to allow the TRNC to participate in some sporting events

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 14:13

That's a start, but only a start.

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 14:17

Turkey offered to give them (Gcs) water last year and they refused,and carried on using ships to transport it in from Greece.Talk about being bloody minded,

Paul.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 14:56

msge 29



Good point Paul. That's a big part of the issue. They have built up so much anger and hysteria against Turkey that they cannot concede any ground for fear of being weak. To be favoured by Turkey would mean they would have to dismantle the negative image they have of that country, an image the majority seem to have co-created. It would seem that to dismantle that image would psychologically hurt too much. The pain of anger would seem to hurt less.

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 15:02

Hi Mark,

Totally agree with your post 30.Takes me back to physics,when we broached on the subject of the irresistable force against the immovable object,

Paul.

greylag


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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 19:23

Both countries are as bad as each other i.m.o.

Grey.

MarkVPiazza


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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 21:10

How much import duty will the TRNC government put on Turkish water?

I bet it will end up costing more than water from my mates tanker :(

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 21:20

"Totally agree with your post 30.Takes me back to physics,when we broached on the subject of the irresistable force against the immovable object"



Blimey Paul, you never told us you were clever! )

greylag


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Message Posted:
11/08/2010 22:56

Mark mess 33,

Can your mates tanker fulfill the needs of Northern Cyprus.Would take a few trips me thinks.Stop pouring cold water (pardon the pun) on a great idea,

Grey.

Hippo


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Message Posted:
12/08/2010 07:19

'That Bloody pipe line again'



What a completely cretinous title for a post.



I have said it before and make no apology for saying it again there is an element within the membership here who seem to delight in rubbishing and throwing dispersions on any project that is proposed here.



We should be embracing and supporting these ideas. as well as promoting the TRNC.



Granted all things are not right but don't forget this country is less than 40 years old Great Britain is a thousand or so and still makes momentous cock ups.



Be positive support or p..s o..

MarkVPiazza


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Message Posted:
12/08/2010 13:00

I think everyone would love to see the pipeline, it's just there have been so many empty promises over a couple of decades, that many are sceptical it will ever actually materialize.



IMO, money would have been better spent on this years ago, rather than subsidising public services, perhaps then, the TRNC would be a lot further along the way to being financially independent.



Mark

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/08/2010 14:28

Hippo,

The title was actually meant to be tongue in cheek.If you read my posts about the pipeline you will see that i am fully in favour of the project.The reason that i used the heading "Not that bloody pipeline again" was because i expected alot of people to post with nothing but negative comments.



I am always upbeat and only want what is best for this very young country.And my posts usually indicate this.Please read through my posts on this particlar topic and tell me where i am rubbishing and dispersing such ideas.Your post is totally out of order,but hey lifes to short to worry about people that dive in with both feet,before putting their brains in gear.Have a nice day Hippo,no hard feelings,

Paul.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
12/08/2010 15:46

Grey



re msg 17



This is not "new" news it has been going on for years and spoken about along with direct flights etc etc. Its not being a "doom monger" as you claim but a realist.



When work starts then it becomes a reality but even then dont expect it to happen in a short time after all it has taken what more than 5 years of construction to build a by pass how long do you reckon it would take to build a pipe from turkey to Cyprus which can carry the amount of water reported?



By the way IF it happens it is fantastic news for Cyprus but given the fact that it has been spoke about for what 6 years and they are now getting round to signing another piece of paper shows that it wont happen sometime soon.

dublinderm


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Message Posted:
12/08/2010 16:10

5 or 6 years?



I distinctly remember this pipeline being announced in the papers in late 1997.



At the time water was being shipped over from Turkey and it was being described as an interim measure until the pipeline could be completed.



In one of the ironies of the Cyprus situation, the Turkish Cypriot Security Force (TCSF) encamped on the hill above Pyla/Pile supplies water to the whole village while the South Cyprus Electricity company supplies the TCSF with their electricity. The UN read the meter and pay the bill!



War is hell!!!



DD

Crumpy



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Message Posted:
12/08/2010 16:30

Re : msg 39 & 40 -



I realise in TRNC the Turks are more laid-back. However, my experience of living over 15 years in Turkey, tells me that when the mainlanders finally decide to do something, then it gets done quickly ... sometimes too quickly. Here, in Istanbul by-passes often take only a couple of months from start to completion ... and the 12-station metro line is being constructed at breakneck speed ...



My Father-in-law-to-be informs me that most of the infrastructure for where the pipeline comes on to Cypriot soil has already been completed.



I predict by 2013 (possibly even 2012) Cyprus will be receiving water from Turkey.



Let's hope so anyway ...

Crumpy



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Message Posted:
12/08/2010 16:44

... they write 2014 in the article ... in any case, great for KKTC ...

newlad



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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 11:42

Crumpy,

Who has the contract to build it and what nationality are they,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 11:46

Just read the article again and they reckon 2014 will be the completion date,

Paul.

Crumpy



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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 12:06

Hi Newlad,



Re : msg 43 - Seeing as Turkish construction companies have contracts throughout Russia and the Gulf, I presume it will be Turkish-built.



Re - msg 44 - "the completition date is 2014" - and I reckon, as long as they start on time ... they will almost certainly finish on time ...

newlad



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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 12:51

Cheers Crumps,

81 kilometres should be achievable in 4 years,

Paul.

YFred


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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 12:58

Be realistic it has to reach Limasol, so I suspect it will have to be 180K. It must be Kucuk being his woolly self. We are not going to leave our Lovely GC cousins, especially the ones who love us to death without water. We shall share everything we have with them, including their land.



Long live GRoC and TRoC.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 13:12

Will they pay towards the construction?

Crumpy



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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 13:42

Re : msg 47



I feel Newlad is being realistic when he writes that "81 km in 4 years should be achievable" - It is a pipeline, not a tunnel - apparently it will "hang" in the water at a constant depth of 250 metres. In other words, it will NOT be a construction on the scale of say, the bridge planned from Bahrain to Qatar. Furthermore Turkish companies have proved themselves to be very quick in the construction of the metro here in Istanbul.



Hopefully after 2014 the construction will continue ... to enable everyone living on Cyprus to benefit from the water ...

newlad



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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 13:59

81 k it is Fred.The Gcs will carry on with their ships to ferry the water,

Paul.

Crumpy



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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 14:06

Re : msg 47 - "It (the pipeline) has to reach Limasol, so I suspect it will have to be 180 km" - Maybe, but I don't think it will be as long as that, YFred :



Like you YFred, I'm fairly sure water from the pipeline will eventually flow to the southern side, but I reckon that somewhere relatively close (and south) of Nicosia, any pipeline could join up with the existing network of pipes in RoC.

newlad



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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 14:21

Cant see it going anywhere near Limasol Crumpy,why would it,

Paul.

Crumpy



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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 14:42

Hi Paul - I don't think such a large pipe would go anywhere near Limasol, but the water from it might, because as Wynyardman states in msg 2 it will be "one hell of a negotiating tool" for KKTC and Turkey.

YFred


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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 14:50

I hope they charge 10 times the price to my lovely cousins living in the southern lands. Would't that be a turn up for the books. We'll control their life line, bloomin heck, power or what?



To be fair that GC lady who gave me a cup of water in Aug 63 in Eglence, should get the first cup as as a thank you.

YFred


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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 14:52

Crumpy you can't mix Turkish water with Greek water, what's the matter with you have you not learned nofink while you have lived there.



If you put Turkish water and Greek Water in one pipe, don't you know they'll start fighting? FGS!

greylag


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Message Posted:
13/08/2010 18:36

Nice one Fred,

Grey.

matula


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Message Posted:
14/08/2010 09:01

4 years! The pipeline from the Brent field to Sullom Voe terminal (91 miles) was completed in much less than that. This in the North Sea which is not as placid as the Med.

Geoff1131MK11


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Message Posted:
14/08/2010 09:22

matula, did they also build a dam and pumping stations in that time?????

matula


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Message Posted:
14/08/2010 09:42

No but they did build the largest oil terminal in Europe and at the same time the gas pipeline to St Fergus which was over 200 miles long was being laid.



I will wager there will not be much Turkish expertise involved in the water pipeline which when i first came here was supposed to be up and running by 2010!

MarkVPiazza


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Message Posted:
14/08/2010 11:25

I don't think the pipeline would take very long at all - building the pumps/reservoirs/infrastructure at either end would probably be the 4 years

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
14/08/2010 11:27

I still think the GCs should be asked to contribute to the cost of this scheme. For their part they would be more secure as a partner rather than just a customer.

Politics to one side, business is business.

twaddle


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Message Posted:
14/08/2010 13:38

Can anyone clarify where the pipeline will arrive in the TRNC?. I have heard that it will be piped straight to the Getcikoy Reservoir but that is obviously not big enough to take so much water. I also heard that there were plans (now scrapped) to dam off and flood the entire village of Getcikoy.

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
14/08/2010 13:40

i think this is going to get done not on time but will be done.



just had some info that natural gas pipe line will be fitted aslong with electric and water



now that would be useful