Cyprus44 Forum Members Vote on Cyprus Unification

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 01:03

hi guys

as there are over 2000 members on this forum i thought it will give us some indication on the outcome of what people are thinking about unification of cyprus

or partition a sort of mock elections ,so those of you who want to take part

please vote one or the other or abstain if you like ,but it could be fun.



thanks

musin

The butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 11:19

Hi Musim M



I think it would be best to go for partition as there is too much mistrust and bad feeling on both sides. TRNC would need direct flights and be recognised by the rest of the world.



The Butlers wife

aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 11:21

Votes yes for reunification, EU membership, direct flights and a future

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 11:39

Yes for reunification.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 11:42

It might be additionally interesting if people stated their background i.e type of property they own and nationality



Partition if granted international recognition and financial support from the EU . Free trade encouraged between the North and South



Esdeger land

British

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 12:13

Susanne and pike are the same person

aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 12:22

British, Turkish Title

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 12:28

Partition if granted international recognition and financial support from the EU

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 12:59

Yes to partition with recognition.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 13:47

Yes to partition with recognition.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 21:32

yes to partition with recognition



and maybe we can begin to build our bridges





long live the north and long live the south in peace forever





musin

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 22:07

British

Pre-74 Turkish title

simma



Joined: 03/02/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 22:54

yes to partition and end of embargoes

british, exchange land

john

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 22:59

Kilmaronck is some Place pike...........

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 23:02

Kilmarnock .... pike

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 23:03

Partition, end of embargos and recognition

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 23:11

Partition,lift embargos,recognition,Esdeger land British,

Paul.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
05/08/2008 23:36

partition of course



but if I was local and had visions of euros

raining down like manna on the north

with a young family to feed and clothe and educate

I might think otherwise



and before anybody moans "pxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxd"

that's why a majority voted yes last time isn't it?



andre

dirty harry


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 00:20

partition, no f*********ing compromise, they want too much, don't forget turkish soldiers gave they lives to prevent a turkish cypriot genocide, anyway who wants the euro, as for direct flights,larnaca airport is available,embargoes

what embargoes, famagusta free port and zone(member of WEPZA) is doing just fine.



DH

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 01:59

A vote for 'NO' is not a vote for for partition, partition happend years ago, thats a fact and now a fundemental part of Cyprus.



No one ever voted for partition, it was forced on cyprus by the greeks.



North Cyprus agreed to the Unbiased UN plan to end the problem in 2004. After the Greeks turned it down, we should of been granted freedom from isolation.



A chance to finally have international recgonition, and not be totally dependant on Turkey.



After granting FREEDOM to the turkish cypriots of Cyprus, can they then ask for a true vote for 'unification' of 2 EQUAL AND FREE People.



Asking a desperate population to vote after being under embargoes and isolation for 40 years is not a fair vote.



After already giving trust to UN and EU and being lied to, who can we trust now?



Afterall what is the alternative?....vote for unification or suffer isolation and uncertainty for another 4?...5?....40 years????? until another plan comes comes up that the Greeks finally agree to??



COME ON, REALLY...WHAT CHOICE DO THEY (TC'S) HAVE????



How about this time....they put all the cards on the table....



[Yes] for unification



OR



[NO] for independence, lifted embargos and recognition and lets see where the votes will go!



and then a few years after, do a vote for unification, join the Euro etc.

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 02:14

i have another question.....what will ACTUALLY happen if this time....South vote yes, and North vote no?



Will the UN EU accept this will never work? or wait another generation before coming up with another plan?

meanwhile continue sanctions on the North?



something else to think about....in 2004, the first time any real promise of a solution, the North had no idea what awaited them if they voted NO, a vote for

YES meant a vote for unification.

BUT a vote for no was the UNKNOWN

would the EU grant them independance if they didnt agree to the Anan plan? was this a chance for recognition?

I bet that crossed the minds of those that actually voted NO last time.



But what about now? It has clearly been shown that a Vote for no will bring nothing! Infact we got nothing even tho we voted YES, so a vote for NO will be even worse!



and this is supposed to be 'fair'?





( apologies mus for stealing your thread! )



Repro.

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 02:16

A vote for 'NO' is not a vote for for partition, partition happend years ago, thats a fact and now a fundemental part of Cyprus.



No one ever voted for partition, it was forced on cyprus by the greeks.



North Cyprus agreed to the Unbiased UN plan to end the problem in 2004. After the Greeks turned it down, we should of been granted freedom from isolation.



A chance to finally have international recgonition, and not be totally dependant on Turkey.



After granting FREEDOM to the turkish cypriots of Cyprus, can they then ask for a true vote for 'unification' of 2 EQUAL AND FREE People.



Asking a desperate population to vote after being under embargoes and isolation for 40 years is not a fair vote.



After already giving trust to UN and EU and being lied to, who can we trust now?



Afterall what is the alternative?....vote for unification or suffer isolation and uncertainty for another 4?...5?....40 years????? until another plan comes comes up that the Greeks finally agree to??



COME ON, REALLY...WHAT CHOICE DO THEY (TC'S) HAVE????



How about this time....they put all the cards on the table....



[Yes] for unification



OR



[NO] for independence, lifted embargos and recognition and lets see where the votes will go!



and then a few years after, do a vote for unification, join the Euro etc.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 11:46

reproman wrote - "Asking a desperate population to vote after being under embargoes and isolation for 40 years is not a fair vote."



very well said

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 11:55

mine is a vote for unification. problem is we brits don't actually get a vote here in the trnc!

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 12:28

Reproman wrote - How about this time....they put all the cards on the table....







[Yes] for unification

OR

[NO] for independence, lifted embargos and recognition and lets see where the votes will go!

and then a few years after, do a vote for unification, join the Euro etc.



This would be interesting.



The GC's fear that the TRNC could get recognition and continue to sell their land. This is bringing them to the negotiating table.

kyrenia007


Joined: 19/08/2007
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 12:48

International recognition and independence for the Republic of Northern Cyprus. I vote for partition so that one day our children can also participate in sporting events like the Olympics as a Turkish Cypriot.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 21:08

reproman

somewhere deep in the back of my mind this very small ,but very significant voice keeps telling me ,yes we do need to move on ,however i see it like this

two friends together for years ,suddenly one commits a murder blaims it on his friend and his friend spends forty years inside ,even after he comes out of prison his friend still does not tell the truth and lets his friend stay a criminal in every ones eyes .

would you really trust him as a friend ever again,would you give him another chance "maybe"



regards

musin

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
06/08/2008 21:43

mark



without over simplifying the problem ,however i can tell you now ,what my father and my grandfather before him told me the greeks will always want

more than we can give them and its as simple as that,that leaves us with

very little options ,unless we yield all or of couse live separate



regards musin

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
07/08/2008 02:47

musin msg 30,



You've been raised to distrust and demonise those evil Greeks. Very common for some sections of TC society raised in England, but absolutely no surprise form your postings. Thankfully the future of Cyprus is in others' hands.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
07/08/2008 07:32

The idea to this thread is sound, if there was the opportunity to put a tick in a box.



Unfortunatley this thread is now just like all the others, the same or similar comments are there for all to say on 4/5 current threads and numerous past others, with the same people making those comments. No I do not just mean Pike, Suzzane etc for their opposite view points that many cannot tolerate, it is the same half dozen who like to "debate"!



On all the BB's, once a thread has got past about 10 posts on this subject the general population of the BB just stop bothering posting or even reading them.



My own to'pennorth, no body cares what we think.

Reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
07/08/2008 09:59

cyprusishome -



I have to hold my hand up and say i am guilty of turning this thread back into another debate. and i did apologise to Musin for that at the end of my post.

I was just unclear as to what the votes YES and NO actually stood for.

Without wishing to go further into it, as i understand a Vote for NO doesnt actually count for anything? a worthless vote....Vote NO and the Turkish Cypriots remain as there are - in limbo - until another plan is drawn out.



And what does a vote for YES mean? Unification? on what terms?

Unfortunately this isnt a simple poll of vote for your favourite Movie, or even a poll for your favourite candidate (as it would be clear what each candidate stood for)



But i agree the concept of the post would of been interesting.



So maybe if we can start a totally new thread based on giving a quick simple answer of YES and NO and but making it clear what each vote stands for:

How about....



[YES] - Unification - 'insert terms here'

[NO] - Recognised Independence of TRNC - 'insert terms here'



shall we give it another go?

And maybe those that wish to continue the debate around the elections can do so on this orignal thread.





p.s. i just had another crazy thought, maybe we can set up 2 'parties', put together some sort of manifesto and then put them both to the vote!

Each party can draw up some ideas or plans for a soloution based on the various issues, ie Property, Gov, security etc.

(ok...i think its too early in the morning for me and my coffee is starting to kick in!)



Repro

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
07/08/2008 20:22

eric

once again your assumptions are incorrect on both counts .



yes guys we have gone off track, maybe we should wind it up .





musin

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
07/08/2008 20:49

Musin,

You have certainly managed the winding up, lol

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
07/08/2008 21:12

paul

and here is me thinking we were really getting on , lol .

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
07/08/2008 21:37

Partition with recognition for an interim period of say 5 years, with full reunification talks during that period.



25% troop withdrawl immediatley. further 5% pa thereafter dropping to 10% after full reunification.



wyn

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
07/08/2008 22:43

100% partition with all embargoes lifted and both sides reconising each other and trading, all compansation paid to people on both sides and all the land registy deeds sorted



have to agree with musin pike you are so wrong about most of the tc community distrusting and demonsing the greeks because if you know thru out england especially if you go like you say green lanes (or greek lanes like some people call it)

greeks and turks live side by side most are friends and some have even married

thats all i am saying before i get accused by ch of debating to much LOL LOL

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 07:08

def 100% partition, compensation for all

TC tried to give olive branch to GC last referandum REMEMBER they reject it

we don want them now, no way

sorry wyn you way can not work

reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 13:15

Sod it, i like to debate, i think all of us do...hence why we keep coming back here! So i will continue...lol



ask yourselves this....do you really think that the Greek side wants unfication with the North simply because they want to be 'at one' with their turkish 'brothers'?



If there wasnt an issue of land and property, i very much doubt the Greek side would even contemplate thinking of uniting with its Turkish neighbour.







Or do they just want, what they think is, their land back? and to run all of cyprus.



They have shown back in 1963 and again in 2004 they are not interested in EQUAL rights for turkish cypriots.



We, Turkish Cypriots, were happy to live as a minorty with the greeks before all this began, and again we were happy to accept this in 2004, even after all the mistrust. But it seems the only answer for the Greeks is total control of Cyprus. ( proven by the refusal of the UNBIASED Annan plan)



Because fundamentally, deep down inside, every Greek believes Cyprus is all theirs and we have no right to be there.





Now before anyone starts to call me a Greek basher, i have plenty of Greek friends both here in the UK and in Cyprus, and even have Greek/Turkish marriages in my family.



BUT this isnt about the people on the Street...YOU AND ME...those back home in the villages or even those on Green Lane...this is all about POLITICS.



As many people have stated time and time again, relations between everyday Greeks and Turks on the ground have grown from strenght to strenght even tho the island has been divided.

It has been the years of uncertainty that has casued the animosity...its has simply dragged on far too long.





Lets just end this NOW, bury the hatched, accept what it reality....PARTITION the island, let each side govern themselves and watch how, in time, relations between both sides will flourish. Without any shadows of uncertainity looming.



Unification on the island will only lead to regular politcal debates among both sides, causing yet more animosity. Alternating leaderships etc just wont work! It will just drag on the problem even longer, into the next generation.

( and our children signing up to forums like this having the same old convos!)





Repro.



Nothing can heal the past....like the future.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 19:33

reproman



great post ,however i had to smile too myself when you asked do the greek cypriots want us as brothers ,how long have they been trying to remove us

maybe its just their lands they want back,still we have to move on ,as long as its on equal terms i will embrace them as brothers and only then .

i to have cousins married to greek cypriots thats not an issue ,the issue is equal or nothing ,take it or leave thats were we are at this moment in time

my personal views



long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 20:55

reproman: "ask yourselves this....do you really think that the Greek side wants unfication with the North?"



And there was me thinking the Turkish side wanted reunification too. Don't you think it's ironic that those living in London represent the views of bad guys and yesterday's men like Denktas, while those actually in Cyprus have voted for the good guys - a leftist party that believes in bringing the GCs and TCs together, and is going to succeed?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 20:57

Reproman wrote - "ask yourselves this....do you really think that the Greek side wants unfication with the North simply because they want to be 'at one' with their turkish 'brothers'?"

"If there wasnt an issue of land and property, I very much doubt the Greek side would even contemplate thinking of uniting with its Turkish neighbour."



Clearly there are some liberal minded GC's who do want to be reunited with their brothers the Tc's because they do see them as their brothers. I suspect though, that they are in the minority.

Even now, with talks just about to start the GC's are going barmy over FIFA's decision to allow the TC's to play football matches with International teams. Do you really treat your brothers this way?



What is happening in Cyprus is running counter to what is occuring elsewhere in Europe. States are either dividing to or wanting to break down in to smaller ethnic units, Scotland, Slovakia, Bosnia, Kosovo etc.



Breaking down in to your smaller ethnic group ensures the integrity,the freedom and full expression of your ethnic group, which means you can't be dominated by another ethnic group through political means. It does mean you can get invaded, but this is not likely whilst states enjoy or look to attain a certain level of prosperity.



Germany is often cited as an example of where reunification has worked. This is a poor example in the context of Cyprus. There was no ethnic divide, there was no one group trying to dominante the other and they all speak the same language etc



Reproman wrote - "Because fundamentally, deep down inside, every Greek believes Cyprus is all theirs and we have no right to be there."



This is a very important point, because if the majority of GC's really feel this way, then the TC's as the minority will be dominated and outmanouvered with the passing of time, despite any words of reassurance at the negotiating table.



Reproman wrote - "Unification on the island will only lead to regular politcal debates among both sides, causing yet more animosity. Alternating leaderships etc just wont work! It will just drag on the problem even longer, into the next generation."



Decisions along ethnic divide could be a real problem, especially if one side believes they are really the kings of the throne.



Ishmail

What is the word on the street? What are the TC's feeling and saying about reunification?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 22:01

eric

you have become repetitive

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 22:04

mark



you are seldom wrong ,once again you have got it right .







musin

reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 00:03

"Don't you think it's ironic that those living in London represent the views of bad guys and yesterday's men like Denktas, while those actually in Cyprus have voted for the good guys" - Pike



Bad guys? Those that live in London?. Pike...Just because you happen to live in TRNC, that doesn't give you or views any more substance. Especially when comparing to those of ACTUAL TURKISH CYPRIOTS, 'currently' living/working in London, like myself and many others on this board, which you time and time again try to undermine because we are currently not 'permanent' residents of TRNC.

Surly us and our children are the next generation of Turkish Cypriots and want what is best for our future? We would all love to go back HOME, and many are planning just that, as we had no choice but to flee our home land and seek refuge here (UK) because of the Greeks. And have had no choice but to stay here for 40 years!

I mean for crying out loud...do you think we have no contact with Cyprus at all? Our Families back home? Those living in the heart of TRNC, from old villages like Geckikler to city centers like Lefkosa, from older grandparents to younger cousins.

From Farmers to Police officers and council workers and Teachers.



And you say that - "those in Cyprus voted for the good guys?" - WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE? Tell me? what was the choice presented to them in the last vote? Vote for unification OR what??? stay embargoed?? hardly a fair choice. And will likely be the same choice this time round.



"And there was me thinking the Turkish side wanted reunification too. " - WE do! no one ever said WE didn't...BUT WE WANT IT ON EQUAL TERMS! WHICH WONT HAPPEN! Therefore Partition is the only Equal solution.



As I have said before...FREE US FROM ISOLATION, FREE THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS and then ask us for our vote. Then and only then will you get a 'true' democratic solution.



There you go, you got your reaction Pike, and yes Musin you are correct, he is starting to bore us....



OK...some more, if anyone is still with me....



We all talk about the future and moving forward.

Surly trying to unite the 2 sides and going back to pre 1963 and pretending nothing happend in the last 40 years is going backwards?

Lets move forward, the future is ABOUT CHANGE.



Repro.



Nothing can heal the past....like the future.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 01:02

reproman



life is about changes ,change is good ,however with no equality comes no

quality and this we will never achieve from the greeks ,so as every turkish cypriot knows in their heart we only have one choice i just wish that people

like pike or eric or whom ever he is would just take two minutes to listen

instead of thinking that the greeks are angels and the turkish are devils

you are right nothing can heal the past..like the future and thats a north and a south.

long live the kktc

musin

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 02:33

afferim reproman

could not have said it better myself, like i have said before the many brits who live in cyprus still have not forgotton about their roots, family, friends, news and politics which they discuss with a passion or moan, so why cant we and our parents and grandparents!!!!! irrelavant on where we are living, me for instance living in turkey and my brothers on this forum who live in the u.k

the only diffrence is we and our elders were forced to flee and the decision was not in their hands, where they on the other had left on their own accord and most of them bitch about life while they were there because of all the foreigners etc etc

regards

ukturk

reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 02:57

"Don't you think it's ironic that those living in London represent the views of bad guys and yesterday's men like Denktas, while those actually in Cyprus have voted for the good guys" - Pike



right i've had some more time to think about this one. lol



Pike, why do you insist on undermining the views of Turkish Cypriots currently living/working in London?



Are we not as much a part of this problem as anyone else? Infact MORE SO?

Tell me, why are we so far from home in the first place?

Why are we now 'outsiders' ( your view )?

how did we come to be in UK in the first place?

The mere fact that i am in London right now typing this is purly due to the Cyprus problem.

And yet you tell me, and others, that our opinions dont count, or we are wrong?



We are refugees of Cyprus.

In my case, my father was from Limasol, my grandparents had to flee to the south and head into the north, become refugess in their own country.

And then due to the sanctions and isolation had to leave cyprus altogether and head for UK, again, as refugess, for the sake of their children.

Yes, we all have a story to tell, but my point is we are linked to Cyprus as our whole life is effect by the outcome of this problem.



Refugees of a 40 year war, and it is an ON GOING WAR.

The blood shed may of stoppped but the politics still continues.

We cannot return home to propser in our own home land, as we are under embargos, isolation and sanctions.

Yes, some of us here are fortunate enough to have made better lives for ourselves, but ultimately we never see UK as being HOME.

(and boy in the early days it sure didnt feel llike home either!)



"While those actually in Cyprus have voted for the good guys" - Pike

Without wishing to repeat myself, altho i really feel this is such a valid point. You are asking desperate people to vote on something better than they have already...which is nothing. We are tired of being so dependant on Turkey, tired of not being able to prosper independantly and legally. Look at the internal mess out gov is in.

Would they sacrifce being second class citizens for the sake of economic promises and some sort of recognition?...course they would...what choice do they have?

We would vote for anything that is different to what we have right now, which is no future in sight.



Offer the Turkish Cypriots a real fair choice, an offer of being equal citizens in their own country. A chance to prosper, start to really settle once again and make roots.

Security.NO reliant on other countries handouts or military for protection/support.And give us something we can be proud of...

after all we are the only REAL INNOCENT PEOPLE in this mess.





Repro





p.s. i think i need a break from these threads ! lol

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 13:51

MUSIN: "eric you have become repetitive"



Debate is clearly challenging for some. Is it long words?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 15:17

ERIC



i can challenge you on this subject with fire and passion till i have run out of

breathe ,but you are not listening your one sided pro greek anti turkish remarks stink ,your biased remarks does you no justice espeacially if you are a

journalist ,and yes you are repetitive bordering on monotonous ,tedious and

boring.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 23:29

My dream would be unification - with proper DEMOCRATIC representation.

But if it is really not possible then compromise is separate states, but there

will always be trouble until each side respects the other, and particularly

the Greek side has not done so in the past.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 11:47

Nice to see ptepike can also make spelling mistakes "message 31" FROM not form,

twit - you are so smarmy when others make mistakes with spelling so that's one up for the people and 2 up to you 'whoop de day' and good day to you



For my few pence worth Pike is a modern day Lord Haw Haw, blinkered and totally obnoxious to the majority of honest hard working Turkish Cypriots

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 13:02

punk rocker,



Isn't 45 a bit old to be doing your "dying fly" impression? You should at least know the difference between a typo and the semi-literacy around these boards.

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 01:08

is typo not tea oh no it not it typhoo you still a prat pike

Bryngafel


Joined: 03/08/2008
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 18:15

Partition and recognitiion. If Kib takes the Euro, it's goodnight to life as you know it.



Rob

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 19:40

ISHMAIL: "...is typo not tea oh no it not it typhoo you still a prat pike..."



But not as semi-literate as some, it would appear.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 20:17

ishmail

bu adam rumlari cok sever napar turk tarafinda ben da bilmem.



musin

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 20:50

Londrali or rumlari. Which is the bigger foreigner?

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 21:00

senor eric

como le va,

lo siento no comprendo,habla usted ingles.





hasta luego senor eric.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 21:05

eric



seriously though your turkish is as bad as mine ,stick too english.

Reproman


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 22:02

Londrali or rumlari. Which is the bigger foreigner? - pike.





Ingliz i would imagine.....but what do i know im just a Turkish Cypriot.



Pike what do you have against London based Cypriots? more over...the Turkish based london Cypriots?



Repro

girne 29


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Message Posted:
11/08/2008 23:48

partition



exchange



if I wanted to stay in RoC ,would have bought there.So for me when re unification happens ,its goodbye and nice knowing you.But with a bit of luck the process will take many years by which time I will be that senile, I wont give a s--t



However, dont think my vote counts ,as I think the price and tax hikes will force Joe Average to vote for what the South wants,and worry about consequences later.

Reproman


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Posts: 252

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 01:15

Girne 29, i totally agree.



Our votes wont count. It seems the cost of living is becoming ridiculas in the north, yet the average wage is not keeping up.



Those fortunate enough to be able to live/work in the UK are not feeling the direct impact of these price rises, but for those soley based in TRNC i can wholeheartedly sympathise that this is becoming a majoy problem, and the only solution to this is signing any agreement that may come their way, if anything, for the sake of the children.



I think this may be the point Pike is getting at when he says that us in London dont understand what the TC's back home are going through.

But you see, we do understand, as these people are not just PEOPLE AS YOU SEE THEM, these are OUR families.



It is this precise and prolonged economic starvation that is causing people to vote out of desperation. As Girne 29 said, worry about the consequences of what unifcation brings later...but right now...we are desperate and need help and connot take this any longer.



After 40 years, this is what the Greek politicans have wanted, to practically starve us into submission and slowly, day by day, they will suceed.



Do i think any less of those that vote for unification regardless of the consequences purly for economic freedom? Of course not, i would of done the same in their shoes...we all would.



But this i my point....those that live outside of this isolation can see the situation in a differnt angle. An angle which comes from Freedom and what is right.

This is why London based turkish cypriots are so against the injustice that is happening there right now. and this is why the same freedom should be granted to turkish cypriots back in cyprus before any referendum on unification takes place.



Ask any Turkish Cypriot what they really want deep down, and that is a chance of freedom and independance. To be classed as free people and be proud of who they are and where they come from. To see an end to this war for the sake of their childrens future...enough is enough.



Repro.





With their tight grip around our necks, as we gasp for air,...they ask us with our last breath..."do you agree to unification on our terms?"



Lets just pray that those in power dont sell us out for the glory of being 'the ones that solved the cyprus issue.'

frontalman



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Posts: 499

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 09:48

I think we'd all be better off going out and picking up some rubbish than wasting our fingerprints here. Reunification (whatever perceived form you have) just ain't gonna happen, the GCs know it, the TCs know it. The Greeks are the babies of Europe, always wanting to take, take, take, to them Cyprus is Greek, full stop. The TCs are at best an inconvenience to them. Forget power-sharing, it just can't happen. Pikey's had his feathers ruffled at some point in his life and never got over it. Thank God MarkyMark's seen the light and retired from the debate.

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
12/08/2008 19:44

REPROMAN



you have to ask yourself what will we get if we cave in ,we will get 100% of nothing and 100% of nothing is what.

let them give us something as a gesture of good will before we go into any

talks, "no chance " its one way traffic going the greeks way.



regards musin

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 17:28

REPROMAN: "Pike what do you have against London based Cypriots? more over...the Turkish based london Cypriots?"



Nothing at all, Repro. Surely you can tell when someon's playing Devil's Advocate? Sometimes it's the only way to address uncomfortable truths, including the fact that TCs in Cyprus often consider Londrali TCs to be pretty much foreign. Also the fact that London TCs (who are more British in mentality and nationality) are often out of touch with change and younger attitudes in Cyprus.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 17:43

Repro Msg 64,



I agree with you on this. People could be forgiven for thinking the TCs are being shoehorned into submission AKA accepting reunification. But others would say that is conspiracy theory and who could have predicted how the credit crunch developed globally. It certainly suits the leftists on both sides, who surely deseve a chance at running the show given the damage the rightists/fascists/motherlanders (I said motherlanders) in both communities have done.



Also you make a valid point about the UK TCs (not all, mind you) being capable of seeing the bigger picture than those on the ground who are affected by association. But surely by the same token analysts with many years of experience and candid contact with both sides (and who have no ethnic links with either side) have just as valid an opinion, if not more so?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 17:49

Frontal: "Pikey's had his feathers ruffled at some point in his life and never got over it."



I think Musin hinted that I may have been s****** up the a*** by some roughie toughie Turk to make me so opinionated.



Intolerence of alternative opinion is very common in backward and isolated communities. Sociologists and psychologists really go to town on that herd mentality stuff.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 17:50

Analysts with years of experience can be relied on to be consistently wrong.



Analysts inherently have vested interests.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 18:19

pike



"Intolerence of alternative opinion is very common in backward and isolated communities."





I think you will find that's the modus operandi of the largest most sucessful civilizations throughout history.



Bit more reading required mate!

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/08/2008 19:42

eric



"backward and isolated communities" can you please inform us as to whom

you are addressing with these comments.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:22

Musin,



Take a wild guess!

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:27

New Labour?



wyn

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 20:28

ROBnJO: "I think you will find that's the modus operandi of the largest most sucessful civilizations throughout history."



Much as the US has caused global death, destruction and instability, its constitution allows for some of the most open freedom of information in the world. And that's just one example. All European countries are bound to freedom of speech and expression laws. Who needs to do more reading?

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 21:00

eric



lets not play guessing games ,just tell everyone who you are referring too.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 21:43

Musin,



I'll spell it out - pockets of the TRNC and N London.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:03

eric



by saying" pockets of the trnc and north london " that makes you sound less

racist against the turkish ,whats makes your arse so clever,i have been in your

country most of my life and have never ,ever made a racist remark about any

english ,irish,scottish or welsh person .

and there you are in my country ,yes my country telling us that we are backward , i suggest and this is just a suggestion you elect your words more

carefully.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:11

Musin,



Is it wise for someone to use the race card when it's suggested they may be backward? Isn't it more a case of prejudice, extremism and often poor education?

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:20

eric



yes i agree with you ,you have been poorly educated.

it shows in your posts.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
13/08/2008 22:38

oh susanne

erics pulled his ace from up his sleeve ,whats the matter eric have i hit a nerve

maybe i just know where you are coming from ,stop playing the stupid susanne game you pull her out of the bag like a rabbit,you really are quite transparent.

oh sorry of course she is another person my apologies susanne.

mitsi


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Message Posted:
14/08/2008 08:55

I am from the channel islands which are self governing but under the umberella of the UK. Jersey has their own government and ideas as does Guernsey and they differ but basically get along. Problem there is that tourism failed, growing tomatoes virtually failed so they went for offshore banking. With this and the building boom came affluence and inflation to such an extent that ordinary folks can no longer afford to live there. You need to think very carefully about reunification and sovereignty. You must have completely equal rights and not come second to the South. The control of this island must be 50% TC and 50% GC, nothing else is acceptable. Also get a grip of tourism. Visitors want much more than RESTAURANTS, Elvis impersonators and karaoke! They also find the Rubbish soul destroying It's an absolute disgrace.

Direct flights are also vital to encourage people to come here But deal with the mountains of refuse now and take proper care of your environment. Thank fully the Germans are coming !

reproman


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Posts: 252

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 14:25

"Tourism can only improve after reunification! "



or



Recognition, Lifted embargos and economic isloation! ( you knew it was coming!)



Soom good points mitsi, keeping the place clean, opening more upper class establishments etc is vital from preventing North cyprus from attracting the wrong crowds. But on the other hand, when we are desperate for tourists, ANY TOURISTS, we can hardly be fussy about who we attract. Espcially when tourist numbers are dwindling in this global recession.



Repro.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
14/08/2008 22:10

susanne

you repeatedly use this word "invaded" ok for arguments sake we will go along the lines of "invaded" now can you explain what triggered this invasion

and why the turkish cypriots are under house arrest and have been since your

so called invasion .

how about an honest answer from an honest person.



musin.

phylray



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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
14/08/2008 22:34

This island Susanne was invaded firstly by Eoka terrorists from mainland

Greece.

The Channel Islands, though you may be too young to remember, or have

not learnt, were invaded by Nazi forces during WW2 - so close they came

dirty harry


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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 00:43

msg 84



susanne



It should be noted that the term invasion does not, in and of itself, imply either a justified or unjustified course of action. For example, during World War II, German military operations conducted against Poland in 1939 are often called the Invasion of Poland while military operations conducted against Nazi controlled France in 1944 is called the Invasion of Normandy. Both military operations are properly called invasions because they involved an outside force entering territory not under its authority or control at the time. The morality or immorality of the military operation itself is not a factor in determining whether it is termed as an invasion.



dh

dirty harry


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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 00:49

phylray



EOKA was a right wing nationalistic organisation with the ultimate goal of "The liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke". EOKA's main target as stated both in its initiation oath and its initial declaration of existence was the British military. In total during the campaign EOKA engaged in 1,144 armed clashes with the British Army. About 53% of clashes took place in urban areas, whilst the rest (47%) took place in rural areas.[5]



During the course of the insurrection a total of 105 British servicemen were killed and 51 members of the police.

dh

bradus


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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 00:54

Think I read somewhere that more GC's than British service men died during this time.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 00:54

hi dh

i dont think she has any answers for us ,maybe tommorrow.





shalom

musin

dirty harry


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Posts: 34

Message Posted:
15/08/2008 02:13

spot on bradus



more greek cypriots did die than british soldiers during this time,Eoka B terrorist angered by President Makarios' rejection of (Enosis) The union of Cyprus with Greece in 1959 were killing greek cypriots affiliated to the president .



dh

dirty harry


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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 02:20

musin



maybe she should ask her little old father-in-law for an answer he may be EDUCATED.



shalom



ezra

dirty harry


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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 03:08

msg 77 pike





Pockets of the TRNC and N London could be described as the (NEMESIS) of pte pike.

someone that is the exact opposite of oneself but is also somehow similar.





dh



described as the nemesis of

PtePike



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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 16:27

Mitsi: "Thankfully the Germans are coming !"



I hope you weren't saying that in the Channel Islands in 1940...

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 19:52

msg 93

ezra i,m sure he must be after all he is greek ,and if you have not guessed

yet they are superior too all.







musin

chick


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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 20:10

Musin. Msg 96



It was established on another thread that he was'nt greek, so we all must now get our thinking caps on up come up with another theory.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
15/08/2008 20:35

chick

if you are referring to eric his scottish i have known that for quite sometime

however i was referring to susannes father in law "ref msg 93".





musin

phylray



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Message Posted:
16/08/2008 01:40

Yes, I did know about the killings of Greek & British. It was a horrible

time all round as those servicemen who were there can recall.

Can anyone explain why Pile was different? Been there couple of times

and have heard from my students that Greek & Turkish Cypriots lived

together there peacefully, and still do.

punk rocker


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Posts: 152

Message Posted:
16/08/2008 10:53

You know Pike you are a tiresome bore and a fart to boot, you accuse Ishmail and others of being semi literate 'your words' methinks Ishmail has probably got more brains in his little toe than you have in your whole body, I would love to see your written Turkish!!! perhaps you would come over as a semi literate in a similar situation.



As for your hologram Susanne 'what is Pile' maybe it was as you put it 'a typo'



You always try to put yourself on a pedestal and try to claim the moral high ground - truth is we all know you for what you are - every country has one - I believe the common or garden name is 'quizling'



Hope this post gets your hair up and await your two barrelled response

PtePike



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Message Posted:
16/08/2008 12:58

Susanne,



Maybe Phylray means the mixed Pyla village in Larnaca district. I once had excellent fish and chips at the Greek tavena in the square and finished with superb coffee at the Turkish cafe across the road. Then tea with Irish police at the UN post. I ended up writing a news feature after that day:



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_19990718/ai_n13940629

PtePike



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Message Posted:
16/08/2008 13:07

Pink Rocker Msg 101,



"You know Pike you are a tiresome bore..."



OK, but I think you're the first to call me that.



"Ishmail has probably got more brains in his little toe than you..."



Righto. But then again...



"You always try to put yourself on a pedestal..."



I only have probs getting on the thunderbox when I'm wasted.



"...and try to claim the moral high ground..."



I don't try. I occupy it.



"I believe the common or garden name is 'quizling'"



I've never hosted a quiz show in my life, honest.

chick


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Posts: 323

Message Posted:
16/08/2008 13:52

Pte Pike Msg 102



Did you write the article,Sunday Herald July 18th 1999!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



And Hi to PINK ROCKER

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
16/08/2008 17:06

susanne

you have turkish friends and you have had meze many times in pile or pyla ,

phylray opted to write in turkish and not greek and you did not understand ,but too then try to make her look silly backfired on you "egg on your face"

turkish friends ,i dont think so mate.

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
16/08/2008 18:12

susanne

yes you do all turkish villages have been renamed ,even the road sings ,in my village the turkish written signs have been graffitied and the name of the street

changed.

the turkish spelling is pile ask one of your turkish friends which you say you have

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
16/08/2008 18:35

i will repeat susane the turkish spelling is pile ,what don,t you comprehend

as for the cyprus map i have that tatooed deep in my brain and a turkish flag

on my arm.

phylray



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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
16/08/2008 23:51

Yes, it is Pile (sorry can't make the accent on my computer at present) as

we all know (except Pike & Suzanne)

Greeks & ~Turks Cypriots lived in peace together there & still do

Pronounced Peelae! I also had a great time there in 2000 - lovely meal, dancing etc.

We don't change names in N.C. and use both Greek & Turkish names.

Why haven't you seen that? You really need to get over & overcome your

prejudice.

phylray



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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
16/08/2008 23:58

MUsin

Dikensiz gul olmaz!

PtePike



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Message Posted:
17/08/2008 02:31

"I'll take my teeth out?"

blackpoolrock


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Message Posted:
28/08/2008 22:18

NO to unification - too much separate identitiy since 1974 and the issue of Osettia is still fresh in the mind.... the Greeks will want everything and you will all lose your homes and lifestyle if the island is unified.



YES to full partition with two separate countries recognised. It works on the island where Haitti and Dominican Rebublic share the same land mass, so why not Cyprus?



NO to the Euro and EU full membership - prices will sky rocket... you watch!

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
28/08/2008 23:50

blackpoolrock

there are many routes ,many roads and all lead too partition.











regards

musin

Wilts Girl


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Message Posted:
29/08/2008 13:55

For what my opinion as a tourist is worth: -



North Cyprus has an identify quite different to that of modern day Greece and I cannot say I would look forward to visiting a unified island in much the same way as visiting South Cyprus does not appeal to me.



Yes direct flights would be good but please don’t introduce the Euro! As Blackpool Rock states, prices will rocket!



I think the motivation for some TC’s to vote ‘Yes’ on reunification may be down to hopes for removing embargoes and getting more tourism. Forgive me if this is wrong just my assumption.



As far as I see it Cyprus is an island big enough to sustain two separate republics and for both to be prosperous. So my vote would be for partition with the lifting of sanctions against the North to allow it some of the prosperity seen by the South.

Biker



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Posts: 396

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 14:02

Taksim - Partition



Reproman ,Musin, Phylray and Dirt Harry

Well said, agree with you.



Eric

There name of the village is Pile in Turkish.

How can you be a report in anewspaper when your views are so biased towards one side, I wonder.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
29/08/2008 16:47

Crikey, Biker. You really will try and find any excuse for a separate agenda! Custom and practice when you only have so much space is to go with the majority word. If I'd had more space I would have said:" Also known as Pile by its Turkish-speaking inhabitants. Plus the bloke with a gun on the cliff-top who shouldn't be there." Note I gave the last word to a TC. Some people are so ungrateful.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
29/08/2008 16:49

Biker,



You're not suggested my report was biased in any way, are you?