Asil Nadir leaves the TRNC today

Lilli



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 07:20

Mr Nadir is due to land in the UK around luchtime today, in a bid to clear his name. It is expected that he will not be arrested but may have to wear an electronic tag. After 17 years I do hope that he is able to do this and get closeure

Geoff


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 07:22

Well said Lilli, I also hope he gets a fair hearing and is able to clear his name,

Geoff

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 07:36

He must feel confident in the strength of his case in order to choose to return. It will be interesting to see what happens. Only time will tell if the closure that he seeks is the end of the Polly Peck case or the closure of a cell door.



Paul

Hippo


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 08:43

And the repayment to all the small investors and pensioners

zcacmxi


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 09:22

Seems Murdoch has rights to coverage of this, BBC mentioned it this morning but used archived material. Sky News have a some new footage on video:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Fugitive-Polly-Peck-Tycoon-Asil-Nadir-Tells-Sky-News-He-Stayed-On-Run-Over-Fair-Trial-Fears/Article/201008415706953?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15706953_Fugitive_Polly_Peck_Tycoon_Asil_Nadir_Tells_Sky_News_He_Stayed_On_Run_Over_Fair_Trial_Fears



Best of luck to Mr Nadir.

Chelpet


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 09:37

Also try http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11093271

AndyR



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 09:48

A bit more info .....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10818347

dougskud



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 10:23

hi Everyone good morning



I have no idea whether Mr Nadir is innocent or guilty of the charges he will face in the British Courts.



One thing I am totally sure of is the timing of his decision to return to the UK is extremely significant.



Doug

cronos


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 10:25

Did he jump or was he pushed ?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 10:30

Is he flying Pegasus?

gooligan


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 10:35

He is live on Sky news now from his plane on the runway in Turkey,interviewed by the horrible Kay Burley.

BillBarnacle


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 12:05

I doubt Mr Nadir's overiding issue is to clear his name in the UK and whether he is innocent or guilty after all this time is the NON story.



The story is WHY NOW !!!!!!



The last time he made overtures to return to UK was just prior to the referendum to the Annan plan I believe.So the question is - Are some people in possession of information that points to a change in TRNC status that will mean it is no longer a bolt hole for international fugitives?

Lilli



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 12:09

interesting theory Bill.

Jefferson


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 12:34

Bill i agree with your thoughts. Much better for him that he appears to go back of his own free will now rather than be extradited in the near future.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 12:41

Good idea Bill. The pessimism in me thinks otherwise. I hope you are right.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 12:47

or perhaps it may be something to do with the recent change in government in the UK???

girne 29


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 12:53

Lilli message 1

'After 17 years I do hope that he is able to do this and get closeure '



Yes Lilli, and I hope all the people he ripped off can get their money back and closure.



He could have got closure after 17 days never mind years, if he hadnt fled.



You dont swap a millionaires life in the rest of the world, for a restrictive life in TRNC for 17 years, because you are innocent. He certainly didnt need to come because he couldnt afford elswehere ,unlike his victims.



None of these crooks should have been allowed to stay in TRNC.There is enough corruption without importing more.

YFred


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 13:03

Does anyone know why he decided to do this now? Was he worried about being extradited after the settlement in December?

Lilli



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 13:07

girne and hippo, you are right and I am sorry. I had forgotten about the pensioners. I do think the timing is strange

Troodo


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 13:08

The last time he made overtures to return to UK was just prior to the referendum to the Annan plan I believe.



Well, he obviosly had no idea about the GC double cross.

YFred


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 13:19

Unfortunately the money investors and pensioners lost will never be paid back. All that will happen is either he will go to prison or he will get away with it and escape prision.

AnthonySmith


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Posts: 455

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 13:46

He's been chasing this year in, year out. When it makes the news makes no difference. It's not a question of why he has chosen now. He hasn't. What about the UK? That's a different issue.

lovingcyprus


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Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 13:52

You talk about pensioners and investors but look at other situations



Northern Rock

Royal bank of Scotland

Lloyds TSB

Bradford & Bingley

Equitable Life



the list is endless

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 13:58

Statement from Asil Nadir's Defence Councel:



"M'Lud, we strongly oppose the use of Juror's 'Hippo', 'Girne29' and 'YFred'.



Despite not having read any Court Documents, Accounts and balance sheets from Polly Peck, or any other related Documents or Prosecution Claims, nor having read the submissions by Prosecution or Defence Councels, these juror's have already made public statements on the internet to the inferment of Guilt by our Client prior to the case even being heard.



We would strongly urge you to remove them from the Jury Eligibility Register for this or any other Trial."







Rob

Troodo


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 15:06

I second that, M'lud.

cronos


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 15:11

Stubs....msg 16



You may have a point.

Wasn't he a big contributor to the Tory party coffers?

Stubs


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 15:21

cronos



he was indeed as well as the infamous engraved watch "dont let the bastards get you down"

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 15:26

Free Asil!!!!

zerochlor


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Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 15:33

message 24.



nice



This lot on cyp44 would have you tarred and featherd in no time it they could.



bollox to the evidence,every 1 is guilty until proven innocent

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 15:33

Just landed in the UK by Onur Air.

the butler


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 15:40

Hi all,



My thoughts are that Asil Nadir is a sick man and he has gone to the UK for treatment. He has waited to do this until a tory government was in place, as he made huge donations to them when they were last in power.

I think it is wrong to speculate about his guilt or innocense, he says he can prove his innocense, if he is brought to trial let a jury prove this. He is due to land at Luton Airport in a few minutes time, where he will be interviewed and then taken to an address where he must reside for the time being at least.



The butlers wife

Earlybird


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 15:45

He was being interviewed for Radio 2 midday news but I only heard the tail end of it, so not sure what was said. Maybe on the next news.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 15:53

where is the £34million he took with him????

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 17:05

He said he has been on the run for 17 years as as he feared he would never get a fair trial. He has paid £250,000 bail, having electronic tagging and surrender of his travel documents.

He said "I knew how ill I was before I left and I know how terrible the injustices - I felt I was nearing the end".

sloan



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Posts: 808

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 17:13

The surrender of his travel documents will have little effect. I understand he had no passport last time he entered the TRNC.

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 17:23

Asil said on tv interview that he needed health treatment in the UK! No confidence in treatment in the TRNC then?

sloan



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 17:26

National health or private?

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 19:55

Coachie,



We'll look after Asil. Finest kind. One of ours! He returned to London like the conquering hero, courtesy of Sky.



Does anyone know what the shortfall was on Polly Peck PLC Nortth Cyprus assets when Polly Peck went" belly up" to the book value, which incidentally was warrantied by his North Cyprus Accountants?



The reason he has gone is because his fujitive status can no longer be guaranteed, and or because he needs urgent medical assistance.



Not a lot new in the world really!



wynyardman



Just my thoughts, thats all.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 20:03

In a legal twist, it emerged during a bail hearing in July this year that Mr. Nadir was never, legally speaking, on the run.

In 1992 he had pleaded not guilty to the allegations but was allowed to leave the court without a judge deciding whether he should be bailed or remanded.

When Nadir fled in 1993, a judge issued an arrest warrant for breach of bail.

However, the Old Bailey ruled that Mr. Nadir had not breached his bail because it had never been granted in the first place.

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 20:49

ROBnjo



He fled the country AFTER being charged with 66 crimes, to go to a country with no extradition .Two years before Polly Peck went out of business ,he transferred £200m to NC.if you were on a jury you would draw your own conclusions,but unfortunately a jury wasnt given a chance.He also owns £25 mill of property in NC.



Gary Robb also fled the UK without going to court.



So did an alleged member of the Securitas robbery team.



Maggot Pete also evaded the courts before coming to NC.





While one can say one is innocent till proven guilty, if one jumps out on the way to court and flees to Cyprus or Brazil , ????



As for conclusions. If the guy in front of you, of mid east origin ,at the airport refuses his hand luggage to be searched , would you prefer the guard to presume guilt before innocence and refuse him on your flight or not.



One thing I didnt know was that he had ran media including Cyprus Today, What is their take on the man.?

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 20:53

Girne 29,



If its all so clear cut, why return to the UK?



wyn

measey


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 21:03

zerochlor. innocent until proven guilty second that. donated funds to Tory Party could have been worse he could have done to th Labour Party God Forbid.

natalie


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Posts: 323

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 21:43

perhaps he knows more than us, that at times would not be hard, and is deserting the preverbial sinking ship?

girne 29


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 22:48

Wynyardman

Didnt say it was clear cut, I dont even know all the crimes he is charged with,

What I do know is clear cut is that while awaiting trial he fled to a country with no extradition,when he could have faced his accusers in court.

On the news it says he is going to ask the Govt to intervene on his behalf,so maybe we should give some thought to all the people who lost money and who didnt get any Govt to act on their behalf.



His lawyer is putting forward a motion that he shouldnt be tried as any trial would be unfair after all this time.Might that be why he is returning.Or maybe he just wants to go home.

Doesnt sound like someone who is returning home to prove his innocence.



So if his lawyer wins the argument, it means, you could do something wrong ,but manage to flee the country while on bail, and never have to go on trial when you return years later.



Measey , I dont think him giving money to the Tories will work.The Tories will remember NI Minister Michael Mates M

sloan



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 23:11

No1Doyen, are you sure that the information about the bail is correct? I read a couple of books on Polly Peck which I borrowed from the Kyrenia Society library. One was The Turquoise Conspiracy (co-written by his sister) and I am sure that it said that bail of about £1000000 was put up by a rich TC friend, who after a while, began to have cold feet and withdrew his surety. Nadir took advantage of this lapse and the fact that it was August Bank Holiday when the Special Branch staff was depleted, to flee in a fast sports car and then a private jet. I may be mistaken as my memory is not as good as it used to be.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/08/2010 23:29

if he is ill, then the university at leftkosia has opened with excellent facilities. Or is it the UK may not make him stand up in a court as he may be too ill to attend, written by a harley street doc. I must confess and im so sorry but only reading the posts did i realise the extent of it all x

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 23:33

Slain. Message 45. Yes I understand it to be correct. It was on the BBC website today.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 23:47

For what it's worth (not a lot) I think Asil Nadir has returned to the UK 'voluntarily' before he was forced to do so. Now, it is pure conjecture (at least, for the time being) why he has done so.



However, some (not all) will be revealed in due course. Anything else is, of course, pure speculation.

Liz - I think you're right - Mr Nadir said on TV today (and, I can assure everyone it's been the top news story all day here - does that tell us something?) that he was ill BEFORE he fled to TRNC - and that was a long time ago. I cannot think that he's returning to the UK for 'medical treatment' when he has enough money to pay for the top medical opinions in the world to treat him - good Lord - he could afford to fly them into Turkey from anywhere to treat him - he certainly has enough money.



I think the whole thing will be interesting.



Jean

sloan



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Message Posted:
26/08/2010 23:53

Interesting. I have just read the BBC article. I will check The Tuquoise Conspiracy if it is in the library as I am sure it gives the name of the Turkish Cypriot who allegedly put up the bail. I think he was a friend of Nadir's father and was involved in the garage business.

aripointer


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Posts: 189

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 00:20

Mr Nadir is currently very high profile in the UK and we should welcome this.

We have all been wanting direct flights and for the TRNC to be recognised by the outside world. This is a opportunity not to be missed as this case will rumble on for months.

In an interview he already is asking for the isolation of the TRNC to end.

In my opinion he has done more in the past hours to bring to the attention the isolation of the TRNC to the worlds leaders and the media since the 1974 intervention.

Irrespective of what allegedly Mr Nadir has done, he is a hero in the Turkish Cypriots eyes. In his heyday his aim was to ensure every TC family had a car. That is why there are still so many old Renaults running around.

Yes investors and pensioners lost out when Polly Peck went down. The biggest injustice in the UK was when MG Rover was sold for £1 plus all the cars stockpiled. Within a couple of years it went bust.The directors walking off with millions whilst the work force was left with zero

cronos


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Message Posted:
27/08/2010 00:26

airpointer.....are you serious?



You make him sound like a real Robin Hood character.....except he robbed from anyone...and kept it !



And are you sure that TC's see him as a hero?



"In his heyday his aim was to ensure every TC family had a car."

Hitler wanted the same thing and commissioned the Volkswagen Beetle !

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 00:34

Im told all be it here that the u s of a arranged his downfall. My son in law who is a stock broker told me the one person he would most like to meet was Mr Nadir. I have met people here employed at the time for him and nothing bad has come out of their mouths. Even though one did time for him. I have only met him twice in our previous restaurant. he was surrounded by bodyguards, but he did sign his book for me. TH at was son in laws Xmas prezzie x

Jo Valentine


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Message Posted:
27/08/2010 01:37

On TV today Mr Nadir has already made the point that he could have been extradited if North Cyprus were given the recognition it deserves...

Jo Valentine

cronos


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Message Posted:
27/08/2010 01:40

So does that mean that he would have still fled to NC if it had been recognised and had an extradition treaty ???



I don't understand the argument !

rowlo



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Message Posted:
27/08/2010 05:22

he is a conman , he conned everyone , as the saying goes , the man from del,monte ,he say yes , he paid millions to the tory party , theyre back in now , maybe they will look after him , one things for sure he has done it to benefit himself , and no one else .

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 06:39

Here is a good summarry from another board:

1. He wasn't going to be locked up as soon as he arrived due to the mess up

about him not being on bail when he left for Cyprus and thus the arrest

warrant being illegal.



2. The growing relations between British police authorities and those in the

north leading to him being concerned that eventually he might have been sent

back without his agreement.



3. Boredom with the north, after all he was a wealthy man who was used to a

very big pond.



4. Confidence that he won't be found guilty due to the errors that the SFO

did during the original investigation. I think that a number of cases from

around that time were screwed up by that lot.



Michael Mates (former conservative minister) made a number of allegations in

the House of commons during his resignation speech and it remains to be seen

whether there's any truth in them. Now his old pals the conservatives are back in power.



I did not write those above but I agree with them.

ismet

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
27/08/2010 09:09

Google in Polly Peck PLC Wikipedia gives a potted history of the Company.





Read that .......... THEN ask, WHY HAS HE RETURNED TO THE UK NOW?..



Seems to me The TRNC are clearing the deck of their crooked associates. First Gary Robb now Asil Nadir.



I wonder why they are doing that at this time! Mmmm!



wyn

andre 514


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Message Posted:
27/08/2010 21:19

wyn message 57:



yes gary robb was convicted

but asil nadir has never stood trial, and says he wants to clear his name

...so it is wrong to call him a "crooked associate"



what about "carpetbagger" instead?



andre

andre 514


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Message Posted:
28/08/2010 09:13

...and don't be surprised if most of the uk-media starts drawing conclusions

about north cyprus and the residence there of assorted scallywags



even though the respectable eu member and failed holiday-home haven of spain,

hosts europe's main community of old lags and escapees by all accounts



andre

Cyprusquest


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Message Posted:
29/08/2010 17:04

Wyn Msg 57 - Look eslewhweer as Wikipedia ia not always correct. I have no idea but my guess is point 2 in Msg 56 is spot on.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 17:15

Cyprusquest.



What happened to The TRNC assets, which were warrantied by Polly Peck PLC TRNC auditors?



Why were Stoy Haywood Polly Peck PLC UK Auditors fined £75000 (15 years ago)



Never heard of guilt by association?



You'll be trying to tell us The Pope is not a Catholic next.



OK I'm convinced!



wyn

doughnuts40


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Message Posted:
29/08/2010 20:23

So its got absolutaely nothing with Asils relationship with the Tory Party? Not back in the UK for 17 yrs and then.....Hey presto!!!!!!! Dont forget Michael Mates and the watch he was given before he left.....He didnt go back there for the sunshine!!!!!!!!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
29/08/2010 21:30

message 53

'On TV today Mr Nadir has already made the point that he could have been extradited if North Cyprus were given the recognition it deserves..'



He wanted to be extradited but its the rest of the world at fault cos they dont recognise TRNC. Poor guy ,he has been praying for 17 years for recognition so that he could be extradited home,and now has got fed up with the wait.

Andre.

I have lost count of the Costa Crime programmes and newspaper articles,and as far as drawing conclusions ,would you not say that rich criminals and alleged criminals fleeing the UK justice system and ending up anywhere might be taken as fact, with nothing to conclude, from people who know nothing about those places and have no axe to grind, but care about people with money evading justice.



By the way, not having extradition does not force a country to take in evaders nor does it force them to give out citizenship. There are many cases of people being refused entry to countries as 'undesirab

girne 29


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Message Posted:
29/08/2010 22:09

To save embarrassment the TRNC could have forced him to go back by making him stay in Esentepe area, 17 weeks ,not years would have done it,

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 22:37

girne 29,



Oi! We have a villa at Esentepe. I bet Asil would have got the kochan off the builder by now, Seems to be a man of influence!!!



wynyardman