Residency; NOW i'M REALLY P****D OFF!

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 18:39

DC has already posted the link on new residency requirements but for those who haven't read it the major change is that those under 60 must now have a blood test EVERY YEAR!



Apparently if you're 59 years 11 months old you are likely to get HIV, cholera, typhoid, etc, but four weeks later you're not a health risk.



Money raising exercise?



Couldn't be could it?



And we (Foreigners) go out of our way to do charitable things here therefore absolving government of the responsibility



Mugs or what?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 18:43

Link to the relevant information here: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/43766.asp

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 18:58

They certainly want us to stay I dont think

Rocker

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 19:08

Rocker



Hosgeldiniz Kibris!!!

timefore


Joined: 01/08/2008
Posts: 495

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 19:12

we applied for renewal on the 24th (tuesday) no mention of the 'medical requirements for under 60's' at Girne police station - told to go to lefcosa in 2 weeks time to collect our residency stamps - will be really p....d off if they turn round and say medicals required now, even though we applied before the new requirements issued

lindoc


Joined: 30/08/2007
Posts: 220

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 19:16

went on Monday with the relevant documents everything same as last year. no blood test required.....

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 19:24

Went on wednesday and and the easiest time I have had there. Wasnt asked for anything so not sure how true this is unless someone was doing their first residency and this was the problem.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 19:46

How true would you like it to be?



I don't think the BRS would put it on its website for fun.

WotNoDeeds!


Joined: 26/08/2009
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 20:07

Yet another MASSIVE kick in the teeth for so called “Foreigners” wishing to stay here. This will just accelerate the number of people already leaving, and believe me there’s been a lot leave recently. This government needs to wake up.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 20:23

It would be interesting to hear the BRS take on this.



Are you listening Mr Day?

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 20:46

Hey - if it makes the que shorter because everyone has left I won't be sad about it. I came here knowing that it was not the UK and I choose to stay here, warts and all. At least the Government here is up front about taking the money out of your pocket. What is the cost of a blood test these days anyway or are people just afraid that if they have a blood test and something is wrong they will know about it instead of just dieing in the street???



Come on people, how many left when the car tax went up or the price of beer went up or petrol went up or, or, or went up? It looks like the TRNC is trying to get its act together for the Nation and if you are upset because it is now playing catch up then like the posts above say - leave.



If you are 59 years and eleven months old in the UK then you can walk - once you hit 60 I guess you can't because you get a free bus pass then!!!! Maybe orange juice is free if you are over 60? - military joke that!!!

Sid447


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 21:07

I'm convinced the rules here,



........are made up as they go along.

Or can change with the manner in which you approach the individual.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 21:15

waddo;



You're 63 and been here what? two years?



bus passes in Cyprus, what are you on?



The TRNC getting its act together by screwing the foreigners?



You can only go to the well so often.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 21:36

Reminded me of when i applied for a work permit and had to have a blood test, as i was a secretary.if i was a teacher no test needed. Dur !

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 21:38

Sid447,never a truer word spoken.

Looks like I'm in for another 21 years worth of medical tests,at least until next month when the rules will change again

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 21:46

Is it just about money ? In 2004 the Xray machine was not working for a period but I had to stand on the platform in front of it for a second, having paid the money. The inevitable negative test made it OK then ?

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 21:59

"is it just about the money?"



it's not very likely to be about making the system more efficient.

WotNoDeeds!


Joined: 26/08/2009
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 22:51

Can someone tell me what is the point of having permanent residency if you have to renew it every two years? It makes a nonsense of the whole procedure.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 22:54

im confused it doesnt mention anyone who is aged under 60 one the site having medical so whats all that about then.



did my police bit 2 weeks ago well before the 26th so should be ok will let you know

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 22:57

newscoop, read more, think more! Just in case you missed it in the mist - "If you are 59 years and eleven months old in the UK then you can walk - once you hit 60 I guess you can't because you get a free bus pass then!!!!".

A direct comparison to your comment about the requirement for a blood test in the TRNC, but I guess you did not get the point!



Its really very simple - you either want to live here with the rules of this country or you don't. If you don't then leave. If you do then stay and get with the programme. Don't assume that "Membership" dates relate to actual time on the Island either - very wrong as I have been living here for many years already and coming here since 1965 - you may remember that, as it was when you were 12 and almost a teenager.



Try to understand Cyprus and Cypriots instead of just complaining about it - you will find your life to be easier and richer than you every thought possible!

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
27/08/2010 23:34

Waddo



If the government want the extra money that badly, why not just up the cost of residency rather than the added inconvenience of having to get a meaningless blood test.



At least Dick Turpin wore a mask !!!



Paul

jenfarrall


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 00:32

Hear Hear Waddo!!! This is TRNC,this is where we chose to live,or at least where my family chose,we certainly were'nt dragged here kicking and screaming.

This is our home,so what if we don't get bus passes,I turned 60 in January,but you know what,if this new rule had come in last year and i've had had to have another blood test for residency I would still wake every morning with a smile because this wonderful place is our home,had blood test and not come on here to complain about it.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 00:41

so if you are over sixty you do not need to do anything, I'm so confused. can we reside and work here, as im getting grief over me being on the business permit, one tells me over 60 no probs then another different, who knows where i can get the right advice please

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 07:34

Lilli, I know for sure that if you are from Turkey (and Turkish to make it real plain) that if you come here after you are 60 then you do not need to do anything at all towards residency. Still trying to find out if the over 60 rule applies to anyone. At present treat it as normal and just keep taking the residency pills along with the increase supplements! Its what we came for after all.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 07:56

The Turkish Cypriots are immune from nightclub STD and foreigners under sixty are not.



Er, who are the almost exclusive patrons of nightclubs, British pensioners - is that what the government thinks?

berilela


Joined: 17/07/2010
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 08:33

im so fed up with people winging about things changing and really my only thought to share with them is if you dont like go home and whinge there please

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 08:50

I understand that if its a work permit you need, this requirement continues regardless of age. But you can get a two year one to avoid the hassle every year.

WotNoDeeds!


Joined: 26/08/2009
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 08:59

What about the ex-pats who have had full permanent residency for years? is this now revoked and they have to go through all the trauma again every two years after paying their dues and doing there time the first time around ? (And believe me it wasn’t easy then) a lot of these are retired and should not have to go through all this again, this is extremely unfair on them. I was told by BRS that you can come and go as you please when you have permanent residency so why should you have to give “your ins and outs” on this new temporary permanent residency?? The whole thing is a mess someone should make all the conditions clear.

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 09:21

What it really means people who have taken advantage of the 90 days have now only thirty, but the crunch is medicals for under 60s. Does not help expats at all, but helps the TC gov with more taxes on the income fro medicals provided of course they get their share !!!!!

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 09:33

Note that most of those who are blase about this are not affected, as someone said if they want the money just stick it on the annual fee.



As it is we have yet another beaurocratic hurdle to overcome, and every year unlike the smug over 60's.



What is the point of permanent residency anyway?



You can't spend more than ninety days out of the country and you have to do the checks every other year.



How is this permanent?

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 09:36

Rocker, Have the immigration officers started to give only 30 day visa's now at all entry points? If they have then you are right, those people here who have relied on going over to the south or over to Turkey to get another 90 days will be in a mess. If its a genuine attempt by the TRNC to police the residency laws then good on them. I dont see though, why they are insisting on people who have already had the health checks and applied for temporary residence, have to take the tests again. These are not the people that have been bending the rules.

piggy


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 09:47

Maybe I am missing something but if you look on the BRS requirement it does clearly state for renewals, you do not have to have a medical, no passport photographs and no revenue stamps required.

come_on_aylin


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 10:42

Piggy

If you read a bit further you will see the following:

"With effect from 26 August 2010, applicants for temporary residence permits are required to have annual medical checks before the permit is granted. Guidance on the requirements will be given by the Police on first submitting documents for checking.

Those aged 60 or over will need to undergo a medical check on their first application only. No medical checks of over 60s will be needed on renewal."



I will be going in on Monday to start my renewal and could kick myself because I could have done it a couple of weeks ago and put it off....it now looks as if I will have to go to the police station twice, once to get the form for the medical and then to submit the documents plus receipt for medical.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 11:25

might be a good idea if a form can be scanned and then downloaded either from brs or from the forum what do you think ? that might save a bit of a trip

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 12:37

Roll on the EU then we won't have to go through this annual rip off b---s--t!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 13:01

msg 35;

I am more then certain you'll find something else to moan about.

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 13:10

Re msg 31. 30 days only started on the 26th, but friends whom came over last week were only issued 30 days.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 13:18

Yorgo



Please tell me why you think that the government has now decided that every expat under the age of 60 now requires an annual medical checkup ?? Has there suddenly been an outbreak of communicable diseases amongst the expat under 60's ?? or is it just another cynical attempt to further milk the expat 'cash cow'.



As I said earlier in the thread, if they want more money then be honest about it (difficult for a TRNC politician admittedly) and just add it to the residency fee rather than putting people through even more beaurocratic hurdles.



Regards



Paul

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 13:26

Paul,



A very good point.



But what if it is not just about money?

What if it is another engineered policy to drive Brits out of NC...this time on the grounds that they are not healthy enough?



What next?

It wouldn't surprise me if they raise the limits on the amount of money you have to have in the bank to show that you can support yourself in the TRNC.

Now that interest rates have dropped by 2/3rds....how many Brits would fall foul of such a policy?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 13:31

Paul;

msg 38;



Most of you have come to live or bought a property here because they did not want to live under EU rules.And now,somehow cant wait to get in to EU!The wrongs/wrights doesnt enter my head because life is full of hurdles.

WHATS CHANGED?

Thats the whole point.

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 13:56

Yorgo--msg 40. The point is that the goalposts keep being moved!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 14:09

matula.......msg41;



Tell me something I dont know already about the whole world!Let alone little place called TRNC.

janner


Joined: 12/05/2010
Posts: 80

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 14:11

May be the UK gov should started charging Turk/cyps for medicals/residency/driving licences every year. Oh and not allow them to work unless they employed 5 Brits!! ... London would soon be empty!!!!

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 19:25

Yorgo;



When you joined the forum your postings were beyond credibility



Lately they've been pretty good



Now you're defending the indefensible.



All people are saying is the TRNC government is taking the mick.



They only have so much cash to spare and the more they have to waste on keeping the locals in government jobs the less they will be able to spare for worthwhile causes.



You never had to face discrimination in England, so why do you think it's ok for us to get shafted here?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 22:46

newscoop;

>>"When you joined the forum your postings were beyond credibility "<<



Do you mean,you did not agree with my postings?Forum judge!!!



>>"Lately they've been pretty good "<<



Glad to have been able to please you with my postings LATELY!



>>"Now you're defending the indefensible"<<

Not defending anything,but pointing out that its not doom and gloom elsewhere,ie.UK.



>>"All people are saying is the TRNC government is taking the mick"<<



I know.Same in UK.......ie. Budget,mini budget.



>>"They only have so much cash to spare and the more they have to waste on keeping the locals in government jobs the less they will be able to spare for worthwhile causes."<<



I know that too.In fact,it reminds me of UK,when customers used to moan about £5 lunch being too expensive yet they'd manage to find the money to buy 'fags for £5 a packet and somehow be able to go to pup every night.



>>" discrimination "<<

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 22:49

msg 45 cont.



Big word!We all have our own way of describing the meaning of.However,I do not like to see you or anyone for that matter getting shafted as you put it.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 23:09

you lot wanna get really shafted , come and live in "the" great britain ,you won,t be dissapointed.



stop moaning and get on with it ,it,s what we all have to do.





musin





long live the kktc

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
28/08/2010 23:48

We do just get on with it and have not had any problems what so ever..







Spider,X

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 10:42

Yorgo



Re message 40



I didn't come here to escape the EU, having lived in the South for a couple of years, we felt it would be good to try this side of the island. having been here for two years, I continue to comply with all the little rules and regulations that the TRNC throw at me and consider myself legal in every way - residency, driving licence, all bills paid on time, tax on rent paid to the government, I even have licences for my dogs. However, your patience starts to run a little thin when you are regularly faced with additional laws aimed specifically at expats, that have no tangible benefit to society other than to raise more money for an ineffectual government to waste.



Musin



I assume from your post that you live in the UK ?? Unlike expats in the TRNC, are you singled out for any additional taxes other than those that any other Brit would have to pay ?? All that we want is for a crooked government to be straight with us



Paul

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 10:46

Paul. msg 49. Well put---in a nutshell!

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 11:10

Paul, the rules are not aimed solely at ex-pats. But one thing I do agree with is that diabolical system at the police station, it is insulting. If the government sorted that out, there would be fewer complaints. Not one of those politicians would stand for it themselves if it applied to them. .

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 11:30

Troodo



OK, rather than using the phrase expats, lets call them 'non TC's'. Why are only 'non TC's' required to take a blood test every 12 months. It is purely to raise more money from 'non TC's' - anywhere else in the world it would be deemed as a rascist practice. I could maybe understand it if it was to identify people who might then claim medical treatment from the state - but as non TC's we ain't entitled to any treatment other than in an emergency anyway !!



Paul

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 12:51

Paul, re msg 49;



How many of YOU would you say is as straight as you are?In case you dont know,it is estimated that as much as %65 ex-pats are working illegaly on the island,not to mention how many Turkish from mainland are actualy here illegaly.But above all,do you think that the government has nothing to do but take small minority of ex-pats into consideration when changing rules?

In case you didn't know.we,TCs also have to have blood test,just not every year.

As for 'claiming medical treatment from the estate',as a TC I couldnt claim anything either until I started PAYING into the estate,which was no different for the first 3.5 years in UK.Whats so special about you?



matula,msg 50;

I guess you dont have your own mind!Perhaps,it just about fits in a nutshell!

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 13:13

Yorgo-msg53.



In a nutshell--very briefly put or in a few words.



Another expression that comes to mind is "why buy a dog and bark yourself" Get it?

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 13:20

But above all,do you think that the government has nothing to do but take small minority of ex-pats into consideration when changing rules?



But above all,do you think that the GC government has nothing to do but take small minority of TC's into consideration when changing rules?





Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 13:38

sounds like some of you guys are ready to return back to home turf ,see you soon .



only problem is when and if you do return ,you will find it,s not much different from where you are now.



you lot think the kktc is changing constantly ,boy you are all in for a shock,i no longer recognise both britain or cyprus ,so like i said before let,s just get on with it and stop moaning ,this person has to do this and that person does not and at least enjoy your life style there ,you have the sunshine ,the sea wherever you turn, your homes and most of all you have the freedom to leave .





musin



long live the kktc

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 13:58

Yorgo



Re message 50.



"But above all,do you think that the government has nothing to do but take small minority of ex-pats into consideration when changing rules?" Actually I do, particularly when the rule is aimed exclusively at the expat community and there is no viable reason for changinging the rule. I ask again, why do you think that the rule has been changed ??



Can I ask how often you have to submit a blood test ?? Why should an expat be treated differently ??



With regards to medical treatment, there is nothing special about me. I have private health insurance so am no risk to the TRNC health service. I must admit that I wasn't aware that immigrants were unable to claim any health benefits for the first 3.5 years, my how things have changed !!



Musin



Nice final comment....you have the sunshine, the sea, your homes..........errrr no, lots of people are finding that they apparently don't have their homes.



Troodo - Msg 55 - So true



Paul

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:01

More about the new residency rules here: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/43769.asp

WotNoDeeds!


Joined: 26/08/2009
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:14

The "small minority of ex-pats" yorgozlu make a MASSIVE contribution to the economy of the TRNC, as for the “estimated 65% of ex-pats are working illegally” total rubbish, estimated by whom? You obviously have a serious problem with foreigners (British) in Cyprus yorgozlu I wonder what you will complain about when the government has forced all the foreigners (British) to leave.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:19

Why is is that the TC's who are the most patriotic and fervent supporters of the TRNC actually choose to live in the UK?



Musin...msg 56 ..."and most of all you have the freedom to leave ."

Do you not also have that same freedom?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:23

msg 57

paul ,tell it to someone who does not know about the kktc problems ,so let,s stop and think about this ,firstly

you can sell your home even without your kocan ,so if you do not like the kktc and their laws leave, and secondly what do you contribute towards the kktc and i don,t mean you have bought a house or you spend at the shops ,no i have been paying into the tax system in britain since the age of 15 ,i have had several buisnesses ,where my tax revenue has been extreme ,and furthemore i am still paying hefty taxes and still run my own buisness ,how much direct taxation have you payed into the kktc ,you state you are 47 and retired.



i say again ,let,s get on with it ,we all have too wherever we are in the world ,and you guys are luckier then most.



musin



long live the kktc

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:27

Troodo,msg 55;



>>"But above all,do you think that the GC government has nothing to do but take small minority of TC's into consideration when changing rules? "<<



Yes they have to.WE ARE ALL CYPRIOTS above all.Well at least politicaly in the eyes of the rest of the world.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:36

fiendishpaul;



>>"immigrants"<<



Who said anything about them???My dad fought for the Queen at RAF before I was even born!



Blood test is something WE have to do every time we go to hospital.



I dont know why rule has been changed,but I do know that 'blood tests' are done in private clinics!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:39

WotNoDeeds

msg 50;

You must have thought the same when I was telling about what is coming last year,only difference now being that THEY ARE ACTUALY KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:44

MUSIN;



You are wasting your time just like me,because they dont have the guts to show their faces other then the few decent ones.I had warned them about this last year,nobody took notice.Yet they still ask me what I do for ex-pat community!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:47

Yorgo..."Yet they still ask me what I do for ex-pat community!"



What you tend to do for ex-pats on here is to tell them to leave if they don't like it !

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:54

cronos;

"What you tend to do for ex-pats on here is to tell them to leave if they don't like it ! "



I do that after showing you how to deal with hurdles and YOU still insist,'my way or no way'.

ps.Not regarding the property issues.I cant even help myself on that subject.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:58

Yorgo.....I take your point , and thanks for the admission in your ps .



However,property issues aside,I don't think ex-pats are saying "my way or no way", or are asking for any special treatment.....they just want the laws,whatever they may be , to be applied equally.

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 14:58

One fantastic way for the government to get extra money would be to sort out the property mess so that buyers get their deeds. Millions of pounds worth of taxes in revenue in a short period to add to the pot. Just an idea!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 15:04

kibrissbel....msg 69



It is such a simple idea , and has been propositioned a few times on here.



The TRNC govt may be a lot of things,but they certainly aren't stupid....so there must be a good reason why they would follow this course.



With my increasingly cynical head on ,could it be that properties would be much harder to "steal" back if foreigners have been given their deeds?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 16:02

cronos;



Rules/regulations-laws are all there.You just might not agree with it,which is where 'my way or no way' springs to mind.



"could it be that properties would be much harder to "steal" back if foreigners have been given their deeds?2



You seem to have forgotton about the TCs that are on the same bandwagon.It's not simple as that.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 17:22

Musin



"and secondly what do you contribute towards the kktc and i don,t mean you have bought a house or you spend at the shops ,no i have been paying into the tax system in britain since the age of 15 ,i have had several buisnesses ,where my tax revenue has been extreme ,and furthemore i am still paying hefty taxes and still run my own buisness ,how much direct taxation have you payed into the kktc ,you state you are 47 and retired."



As I said, in the TRNC I pay all the taxes that I am legally obliged to pay and also pay tax on my pension in the UK. You have paid all the taxes that you are legally obliged to pay in the UK. The difference is that in the UK you are deemed equal to the rest of the UK population, are protected by the law, have access to the NHS and are able to run a business or several businesses without the need for 'special' permissions. Alas, I don't have the same luxury here.



Regards



Paul

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 17:29

Yorgo



Re message 63



I did not use the word immigrant as a defamatory term, but merely to indicate someone born outside of the UK and not a British passport holder. No offence was meant, and if any was taken then I apologise unreservedly.



Regards



Paul

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 18:29

paul



sorry but you have a pension at 47 and you pay taxes on it in the uk.



oh and don,t be fooled about everyone being equal in the uk ,they are not.



musin



long live the kktc

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 18:53

Musin



I have a military pension earned due to 28 years service as a Royal Marine from which I retired 2 years ago. Due to the amount of time served (over 22 years), my pension is paid immediately and I pay tax on it in the UK - Fact !!



To try and compare the UK to the TRNC is like comparing apples and oranges. All that I and a couple of other posters are trying to do is point out the inequality of yet another revenue raising exercise by the government.



I appreciate and admire your love for the TRNC but surely, even you can see this law for what it actually is.



By the way, I don't own a property here - whilst coming close on a couple of occasions, I chose not to buy in the end, thank God



Paul

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 19:22

paul



all i am trying to point out is the fact that there is inequality all over the world ,and if you people believe that you are all hard done by,you should all take a good hard look at rest of the world .



revenue raising exercise as you put it by the government,hardly .



good luck to you and all the other people trying to change my mother country from all the crooked and corrupt



politicians and save us tc,s ,maybe when you are done you can start on the middle east,or better still you can start with your mother country,there are plenty here.



musin



long live the kktc

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
29/08/2010 23:55

Musin



As I have said, I am happy to pay the additional money, I just wish that the government didn't dress it up as something else. Just add it to the residency payment and save us all the extra beaurocracy.



If it isn't a revenue raising exercise OR designed to drive away more expats, then why exactly do YOU think that blood tests have been introduced for the under 60's. ?? Have we all just become contagious ?? Lets be honest, it isn't the expats who spend their time in the local whorehouses is it ?



Alas, I think it will take more than a few expats to change the corrupt practices here in your mother country, maybe that's why you have spent the past 40 years in the UK



Regards



Paul

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 00:46

PAUL;



"revenue raising exercise "



How do you work that one out when fees have not gone up?

Blood tests are done in private clinics.

I do take your point on board though,regarding what you have to go through to get residency at police station and home office.Specialy having to wait in same room with all the smely ones.

nostradamus


Joined: 15/04/2008
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 10:30

Message 78: I think most people are well aware that blood tests are done predominantly in private clinics. You seem to unaware though that the bulk of this fee is handed straight on to the government.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 10:34

Yorgo



Whilst the tests are done at private clinics, the government will still get a cut via KDV.



Personally, I think that the residency procedure, at least in Lefkosia has improved dramatically in the past couple of years. Have not had to suffer the recent problems experienced at the police station and as I am unlikely to renew my residency this year, hopefully I won't have to . Who are the smelly ones ???



Maybe in time the government will explain why the blood tests have been introduced, I will be very interested to hear their reasoning (if there is one) .



Paul

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 10:48

Paul;

Smely ones are the ones the government changes the rules for. Us locals refer to them as 'GACOS'.YFred would be able to explain 'who' they realy are!



I can assure you the changes for blood tests are not aimed at ex-pats.Once you work out who the smely ones are,you'll know what I mean better.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 11:11

I wonder what the ratio of Mainlanders to TC's to Expats really is?



This new requirement is obviously aimed at Expats, because surely most Mainlanders [without citizenship] have to undergo an annual blood test to qualify for their work permits.

bobbie1306


Joined: 14/08/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
30/08/2010 11:53

Shafted is what constantly happens to EX pats living in NC, I note that you do NOT live in NC yet you think we are in the wrong , noone is forcing you to live where you are, so why don't you just "practice what you preach" and move to wonderful NC.



Not only are we shafted at every turn , but now if you are under 60 you are discriminated against, you know what the Turkish Cypriots do not need to worry about the Greeks and the bad publicity from them, the Turkish Cypriots are more that capable of taking care of this themselves, they are certainly driving out the majority of Ex pats, when was the last time NC had some GOOD PUBLICITY. I have my own Company here, paid my taxes, residency and all other costs for the past 4 years, but guess what, I will no longer be ripped off by the Turkish Cypriots------------------------------- Perhaps all of this should be brought to the attention of UK and the rest of the world so we can ensure that we treat the Turkish Cypriots in the same.

gwendoline


Joined: 08/06/2009
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 07:26

I have been here for 14 years now but have to admit that post Denktas things have gone from bad to much much worse. Those that have invested in propertyor who have decided to make the place their home have little option but to try to muddle through. However, it is perhaps time to stop all this nonsense about ''the Cypriots being lovely, honest and welcoming people because very few are. There is a cruel and grasping side to the Cypriot both north and and south. They are racist, prone to dishonesty and will do literally any thing for a fast buck provided it doesn't involve too much effort, the rent boys on Girne harbour wall being a prime example and you can bet they ain't paying any tax. I believe it is our duty to discourage anyone from moving here from any European country until the Cypriots put their house in order and stop acting like spoilt thugs. Don't just moan on here about residency and other injustices, write to your MEP as is your democratic right and do it now!

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 08:45

message 84 I WOULD LOVE TO buy you a drink or 2 best post Ihave seen on any forum in years.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 09:05

I have to say sadly I agree with most of message 84, I too have lived here for 16 years and unfortunately for the first time I feel really angry with whats been allowed to happen here. If these new rules are aimed at raising revenue then why don't they just make an annual residency tax which you to pay to the tax office and get a stamp in your passport instead of pretending its for other reasons, at least it would be one trip to the tax office and not all this running about to Muhktars, police, blood tests. I have always been a massive advacote of this country and have made many friends here over the years mainly Cypriots who also think what the country is doing is madness. I still love it here but it is getting increasingly difficult to live here as the goal posts are constantly changing.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 12:12

its all change when eu get to grips for better or worse

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 13:16

In Turkey you pay about 600ytl a year for residency,but at least its up front and any raises appear to be inflation.

This entitles you to the full protection of the state.

Unfortunately in NC these things are used to get more out the Milk Cows ,as things get more desparate you can expect more,and who best to get it from but non voters .



Apart from milking again, why the blood test /medical,What do the TRNC know that the rest of Europe doesnt.?

If bothered about aids etc ,would it not be better to ban the importing of women, for the sex trade and close or legalise the brothels.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 14:20

mesage 84



well put

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 16:08

mess 84 wins the Garry Monger "best post in the history of CYPRUS 44" award.......





perhaps us Brits should post some more home truths about this hell hole that we have invested in, instead of acting like a load of wimps a giving it the "oh we love it here" hogwash......



i think our plight was best put by that Scottish bird up the Tumbar, who said "we've all been conned".......





oh and that bloke who keeps giving it "long live the KKCC" (or whatever its called) - and telling us to all feck off - if you give us our money back, i know i would - and very probably the vast majority of purchasers....



Then what would you have ??

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 17:39

I rarely agree with Neg Nick but;



the bloke who ends with each post with "long live the KKTC" is going to be really ticked off now.



Him and Yorguzlu.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:35

msg 90,

Mr Richard Head;



Nobody forced you to buy in TRNC,you did it at your own will, despite of warnings from 'your own' government.

Now stop being a pratt all your life ,accept some responsibilities of your own actions and you might get somewhere.



LONG LIVE KKTC/TRNC

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:40

newscoop-msg 91;



How would you react if I was to slag off England all the time,not to mention to be a 'cry baby' as well?

In UK it can take years to sell a property,and you want to sell it in TRNC 'yesterday'!



LONG LIVE KKTC/TRNC

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 19:53

N.N. many of us do actually love our life here.



Yes it's abind doing certain things, and of course some things annoy us.



But we make the most of every day here.



Every day I wake up and look at our view, and You can live so cheaply here if you are sensible,



May be your own problems here have soured you. But many of us are happy.



Take Care N. N. Regards Lee

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 20:04

Msg 94---I would change my view for one looking out over the Clyde towards Bute anyday.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 20:12

Message 84 said,



"There is a cruel and grasping side to the Cypriot both north and and south. They are racist, prone to dishonesty and will do literally any thing for a fast buck provided it doesn't involve too much effort"



Recognise anyone in particular?

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 20:13

. many of us do actually love our life here.



we are treated as sex workers if under 60 we are discriminated against on a daily basis



our peers call us whinging brits if we dare to complain



life in trnc is so wonderful if you do not like being treated as a second class person with no vote and no rights leave trnc

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 20:16

Yorgo;



all I said was that you and "long live the KKTC" (but i live in London) would be ticked off



it wasn't a critique



but you proved me right!

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 20:31

Musin says 'Long Live the TRNC'



Does he seriously mean this in its present state?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:15

newscoop-msg 98;



What makes you 'assume' that I live in London?

I was not criticising you either but pointing you to why I posted ,what I posted to Mr.Richard Head.



ps.If you live in TRNC and also around Lapta,pop round and see where I live.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:16

msf 100-cont;



..........forgot to add.........





LONG LIVE KKTC/TRNC

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:23

Sal - with the utmost respect, in message 98, newscoop did not infer that "You" lived in London.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:27

yorgo as I asked Musin, 'in its present state'?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:32

msg 103;

You'll know the answer to that yourself,once you are a citizen.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:33

I must get used to ,to post this every time......





LONG LIVE KKTC/TRNC

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:34

yorgo



I am not a citizen or ever likely to be one, so could you answer my question?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:42

msg 106;



I keep my issues at home,at home,thanks

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:43

yorgo



your reluctance to answer says it all.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:44

Yorgo....where is home for you?......the UK....the TRNC....or both?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:44

Yorgozulu and Musin,



Are you not ashamed of the workings of the TRNC? Do you think that all this auctioning of peoples homes, which have been paid for in full, puts the TRNC in a very unfavourable light?



Whilst you make the point that Brits should have had more sense than to buy in an unrecognised, too good to be true, bargain basement area, are we solely to blame or should others shoulder some responsibility too?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:54

Bradus;

Both parties must accept responsibility in order to get a result.



"Are you not ashamed of the workings of the TRNC? Do you think that all this auctioning of peoples homes, which have been paid for in full, puts the TRNC in a very unfavourable light? "



Bussiness is a bussiness,above just happened to take place in TRNC,which the government cannot be held responsible for...........



Try remorgaging any land/property now and you'll find out what I mean.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 22:58

cronos;



'Home' is where I and many others like me have family members that died for it.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 23:05

Yorgo...."Bussiness is a bussiness,above just happened to take place in TRNC,which the government cannot be held responsible for..........."



Your dismissive statement fully validates the comments made in message 84 !



The TRNC govt IS fully responsible and complicit because it supports discriminatory "laws" that allow the thieving individuals to flourish.



Anyone reading your comments , albeit coming from a British Cypriot ,should think very carefully about investing in the TRNC.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
07/09/2010 23:07

Yorgo...."'Home' is where I and many others like me have family members that died for it. "



I'm sure that those unfortunate family members would be truly ashamed of what the TRNC has become.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 00:32

cronos;



>>>Yorgo...."Bussiness is a bussiness,above just happened to take place in TRNC,which the government cannot be held responsible for..........." <<<



Wakey wakey..........This is a man made country with no help from the rest of the world,which I'd have thought 'intelligent' people like you would have known.Your own government worns you off for this place (they clearly do not want to have anything to do with TRNC),yet you took no notice for your own selfish reasons and gambled.



I'll give you an example just to make it cleare:

Garry Robb(x)came over to TRNC,bought himself a place to live,seen an opportunity in building industry because they are cheap,set up a company(only needed $100.000 for couple of weeks in the bank),set up a website and started advertising overseas,'you' see this as an opportunity to grab a cheap property in the sun with a very high interest rates in the bank and thought 'I'll have that'.However,Mr X done a runner half way through building your..

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 00:41

cont................

'cheap property' because by this time he has conned enough money out of you.



Thats how the Britts conned you.There are also few mainland Turkish constructors that have gone awol the same way.As for TCs,they went around the problem the same way as you could in UK.



Do yourself a favour and check out how many Brittish/English owned estate agents have updated thier websites about property issues in TRNC.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 00:41

Yorgo....is that the best you can come up with?



Just to refresh your memory,the British Government did NOT warn me about buying Pre-74 Turkish Title Deed property in TRNC.

It was 100% safe and the only title internationally recognised.



And surely those nice,honest,trustworthy TC's in the TRNC govt wouldn't cheat me would they?



After all,as a poor little victimised and ostracised country they are trying to get favourable worldwide recognition.



Your attitude speaks volumes and should serve as a real warning to anyone considering buying property in the TRNC.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 00:50

cronos . yorgo is playing devils advocate but is right ,, at no time that I know of was n/cyprus a recognised country , and pretty sure if any body buying outside of their own country should check, if "they" did they knew they had no rights outside the "country" , do not complain to your mep, keep it internal ...........

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 00:51

cronos;

>>I'm sure that those unfortunate family members would be truly ashamed of what the TRNC has become. <<



36 years on and WE are still standing with only help from Turkey.That in itself is enough to show the rest of the world of 'how proud we are'.



Many years ago I was described the English as for being the proudest nation in the world by my grandad...........I'll let you decide about what my thoughts are now...........

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 00:54

cronos;



>>>Pre-74 Turkish Title Deed property in TRNC.



It was 100% safe and the only title internationally recognised.

<<<

Where does it say,'you can have it'.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 00:59

>>Your attitude speaks volumes and should serve as a real warning to anyone considering buying property in the TRNC<<



It's not my attitude,it's the truth,but if it'd prevent people from making the same mistakes,I'm up for it.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 01:04

Yorgo....">>>Pre-74 Turkish Title Deed property in TRNC.







It was 100% safe and the only title internationally recognised.



<<<



Where does it say,'you can have it'.



It says so in my legal conveyancing document drawn up by a TRNC advocate under the laws of the TRNC !



Just a minute....I've been foolish haven't I ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 01:12

cronos;

"It was 100% safe and the only title internationally recognised.It says so in my legal conveyancing document drawn up by a TRNC advocate under the laws of the TRNC !"



.......and because of above,you went for it even though the law clearly states,'you must obtain your ptp before purchasing'.



I'd also like best of both worlds but I've decided otherwise because it's too complicated.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 01:17

Yorgo.....if the law clearly states that,then why do TRNC advocates allow purchases to proceed,and why do the TRNC govt sanction such conveyancing,knowing full well that PTP has not been granted?



No more excuses please Yorgo....as I've said before,the TRNC have played a blinder.......be proud.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 01:19

.................TRNC have played a blinder...................and the Britts didnt????

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 07:14

Cronos you are wasting your time arguing with Yorgo on this or any other subject---those aren't spectacles on his profile pic.---they are blinkers!

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 09:35

Yorgo;



You need to take a time out on this subject



You've even accused me of accusing you of living in London



Mess 98 as jeannie pointed out.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 16:52

msg 126;



Your assumption reminds me of an old turkish saying about fox and meat hanging on the wall;

After few attempts to jump and get the meat with no luck,the fox decides that the meat is off anyway!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 16:54

newscoop;

I may well have misunderstood you,but I will NOT sit back and watch you slagging off my country.

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 17:03

yorgozlu



will you do it then???



are you saying trnc it is being run for the benefit of the citizens an within the echr framework it is claimed the trnc aspires to be internationally recognised but so often fails to adhere to international human right legislation.



indigenous citizens of cyprus and trnc can vote in all eu countries why not allow eu citizens to vote in trnc ??



WHEN WILL TRNC IN absentia RETURN TO TRNC ????

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 17:18

clifhanger;



The answer you are looking for is in your question.However,you can always ask your own government as well, as to why TRNC have been left to live by itself with all the isolations and embargoes?

The whole world might not recognise us but.........come off it....UK as well???More then %50 of Cyprus population was born as Brittish citizens back in 50s/60s,I dont know why?

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 17:25

sorry your answer is wel;l over my head yorgo.



here is an easy one WHEN WILL TRNC IN absentia RETURN TO TRNC ????

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 17:32

"indigenous citizens of cyprus and trnc can vote in all eu countries why not allow eu citizens to vote in trnc ?? "



I dont understand that question,unles of course you mean "Cypriot EU country citizens can vote in particular EU country that they've obtained the citizenship"ie.UK,Cypriot /Brittish citizens.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 17:38

May I also add that ,my wife (Irish) does vote here in TRNC now that she had obtained her citizenship.

clifhanger


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 17:45

brits and other eu nationals can not vote in trnc byt trnc people can vote in uk / eu = unfair yorgozlu

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 18:58

nobody other then the citizens of that country can vote=fair

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 22:14

at this rate they are going to have to change the name of the board to Yoragogo44





Come back Alf Garnet, all is forgiven......

iankb


Joined: 03/09/2009
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 22:57

I think you may all find that the new residency permits and visa's have been instigated by Turkey.they suddenly announced two months ago that people of 63 nations could only come to Turkey for 90 days in any 180 days.As this was without notice the Brit Ambassordor in Ankara took up the matter and got it resinded.the Turks said ok but we will re introduce it.All here think this will be Jan 1.to many Yabanci's doing the visa run and the Turks don't like it.I have noticed that what happens here in Turkey happens in the TRNC shortly afterwards.



Ian

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
08/09/2010 23:53

Yorgo;



In which way did I slag off your country?



I only ask for the same consideration you were given in MY country.



Treated the same as the indigenous people, with no two tier systems that divide locals and others.



Apparently you had a messy divorce, how is the UK to blame for that?



Your bitterness towards the country that took you in does you no credit, I'm sure you're better than that.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/09/2010 00:17

newscoop;

"In which way did I slag off your country?"



"YOU" was meant in general,



"I only ask for the same consideration you were given in MY country."



As a Brittish citizen it is only fair for it to be that way,



"Apparently you had a messy divorce, how is the UK to blame for that? "



Did not have a messy one,just bloody expensive one.



"Your bitterness towards the country that took you in does you no credit, I'm sure you're better than that."

I dont have any bitterness towards UK nor they took me in.They just couldnt refuse me from entering for an obvious reason.