Drastic electricity hike

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 13:09

Hi has anyone got this months electricity bills yet ??

Many of the people we are speaking to here have been astounded at the massive increase for this month, our friends normal consumption is about 180/200 ytl monthly, this months bill was a whopping 710ytl our neighbours have rec'd similar and a couple of houses we care for, for neighbours who live in UK have had hikes from 40/50ytl to over 150/180ytl

pimpernel


Joined: 31/07/2008
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 14:00

HI ALL JUST PAID MY ELECTRICTY BILL FOR THE MONTH ,JUST THE POOL RUNNING A FEW HOURS A DAY AND THE GARDENER WATERING ,

£85.00 WE ARE ON BUILDERS ELECTRICTY

authentichoccie


Joined: 09/01/2008
Posts: 481

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 14:17

A friend told me that the electric prices are now going to be set according to the price of oil etc, and he said to expect another increase this month!!!!!

My bill for last month was about £250!!! I really can't afford another increase!

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 15:13

Well now oil prices have gone down we should expect to see the price dropping next month then. Don't be stupid. Nothing ever goes down here.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
08/08/2008 17:04

Is everyone paying this increase, including TC's.

If so, how can they live?



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area - still - at the moment.

efendioliver



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 545

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 11:54

it is outrageous even the tc,s are demonstrating.. how can they justify it

they are even proposing a tax on the amount of air conditioners you have in the house.. what do they want us to to bake at gas mark 9

our bill is now 1600 ytl per month from average 700 to 800 ytl

same period last month,,,,,,,,, aaaaagggghhhhhh they are driving us crazy

Oxoners


Joined: 24/01/2008
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 11:58

I spoke to my hairdressers yesterday who is a local girl, she told me her electric bill was normally 250ytl, this month is was 400ytl, so yes the locals are paying the increase, and no they are not happy about it.

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 13:06

efendioliver





hang on let us get this right



1600 ytl per month.........



@ 2.28 per £ = £701 per month !!!!!!!!!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 14:28

If you are thinking of fitting new a/c or replacing old a/c, go for inverter driven stuff. It uses 1/6th of the juice and this time of year a/c is the big user of domestic electricity

ishmail


Joined: 27/06/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 19:17

eletric for our family this month 535ytl last month 179ytl some saying that no money to pay wages so it put on bills don know if true but will chek it

kimosh


Joined: 09/08/2008
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 22:28

i have never had a late reading ours is over a week late reading these stories im dreading getting mine it has alreading increased 3 times in past few months

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 23:24

Suggest you contact friends and family back in UK and check the rises there before making too many comments about here.



This is a world wide phenomenon brought about by greed. People spending what they have not got, buying on credit that they cannot afford etc. The world wide macro economics are causing corrections to this greed and a case of the majority suffering for a sizeable minority.



I will point the finger where the blame mainly lies, the USA. Selling oil based products at ridiculous prices and the government afriad to tackle the issue. Second the crazy sub prime mortgage market where you could get one even though you could not afford it. Unfortunatley many international banks tried to cash in on the sub prime market the results are being seen with banks in UK etc loosing hundreds of millions.



With all of this the demand for oil is still rapidly rising and with simple economics the price has risen into stupid numbers. Yes it may be falling on spot markets but oil for domestic consumption is bought 3 months ahead usually so any change takes at least that long to work its way through to the domestic market.



Conclusion, for once you cannot blame the lunatics in charge in TRNC they have no control of world prices. However if you live in UK or USA just blame the greed of people who cannot control their urges to spend money they do not have.

lippylush


Joined: 29/12/2006
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
09/08/2008 23:54

That is a rather sweeping statement. I think that people all over the world have a tendency to spend more money than they have and live on credit at times,not just the UK and USA. As for electric prices they have not risen to the extent they seem to have in the TRNC my bill this month is the same cost per unit as it was 3 months ago. Living on an Island petrol prices are more than 5p extra per litre compared with the UK so we're very used to price hikes but compared with the TRNC electric price rises I will speak less harshly about our prices over here.

sue

captainjohn


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 201

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 07:53

previous bill 145ytl current 681ytl ? no increase in usage .

doughnuts40


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 98

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 09:17

Last month 258 this month 491 and have been away for two week so have used much less than normal!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 10:12

its all well and good debating how and why the reasons high increases occur , but how on earth can people in nc sustain these increases when wages there are not particularly high ? , it has to be a real struggle for them

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 10:16

My electric for my apartment last month was 74ytl this month it it is a whopping 205ytl and I was away for five days this month staying with friends in Pafos

middlestubbo


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 12:14

And i thought British Gas was bad with it's 35% increase, but at almost 300% are the local government insane to allow this!! Only complete idiots would allow an increase of this size. it's gonna force people back to the UK and then where would the economy be. I might sell my gaff and buy a place in spain as the apartments are dirt cheap these days and although the spanish athourities like to take advantage of the brits they don't do so on quite the same scale as in NC !!

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 20:36

MS

I don't think you would be alone if you did. Unfortunately there are those that would like to sell up and leave but can't.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 21:44

GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF PROSPECTIVE PURCHASERS THINK TWICE, AS WELL A FEW OF US 4/5 YEAR INVESTORS

simma



Joined: 03/02/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 21:56

hi guys, we taken possesion next month and will be on builders electric and water. Can anyone tell me what i should expect to pay for these if its only to run the pool pump while theres no one there?

john.

turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
10/08/2008 22:10

Cyprusishome:

"I will point the finger where the blame mainly lies, the USA."

The USA would never get away with raising prices like they have been doing in TRNC these last few months. There would be Anarchy.

When in doubt blame the big powers (all of them , not one).

Finally petrol prices are on the down swing, 65 cents in one week and still going down. You should feel the drop in about 12 months in Cyprus. (not).

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 11:06

sorry if i seem confused about the extortionate,price increase`s in the supply

of electricity to homes in n/c. were people aware of an increase in the cost of electricity,or did this just come out of the blue, have the newspapers. commented on this price hike, and what have the energy suppliers said if anything,as has been said this could have a detrimental effect on the future

of n/c and it`s future economy.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 12:15

Can anyone please tell me what the unit cost of electricity was say......



1 year ago



3 months ago



today.



This information would give us a clear indication of what to expect.



Thank you



wynyardman

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 12:39

it would seem from this bill i have in front of me the first 308kw's .265519

second 308 is .339870 and the last 170 .368000



last month the first 233 were .213562 second lot were .279063

Sorry Wyn dont have the older bills

Hope this helps

boyzi


Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 13:08

well i must say thats put me off from buying a house out there.. was going to n/c and buy a two bed..



thanks



paul

kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 13:23

Does the cost per kw differ from area to area? I have my latest bill in front of me and its.

267 KWs .234

267 KWs .304

84 kws .332

Bertie


Joined: 15/04/2008
Posts: 155

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 13:25

we have just had a bill for 300ytl for pool only, pump on two and half hours per day builders electric, think we will have to stay here in the rain and work just to pay the electric bill out there!! isn't life fun.

helot



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 13:43

Hı I have been ın my rental 1 month and the electrıc was £180 yes you've got ıt ın one BUILDERS ELECTRIC

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 13:54

kibris , welcome to the forum ,was that for 1mnth ?

regards , simbas

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 13:59

H bertie , welcome to the forum , two and a half hrs for how long .

regards , simbas

kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 14:18

Thanks Simbas, yes one month.

airbag


Joined: 21/06/2008
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 14:22

1301 ytl for 2 months, 3 bed villa with pool and aircon = £578 = £289 per month, and this is not builders electric, but is let to holidaymakers who perhaps don't realise the cost. I will be placing very large signs all around my villa!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 14:53

ridiculous

Bertie


Joined: 15/04/2008
Posts: 155

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 14:57

Im trying not to think about for how long! we were out in June put 300ytl on account first week in July, then had a phone call from the person who looks after two weeks ago saying bill needed more money as 300ytl had been used, so by my maths per month,ugh!

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 15:26

This is to help all those trying without success to understand your electricity bill. It does not cover Builders electric tariff which is charged at a flat rate for all units used. Also I don't think there is a service charge on Builders tariff but all the remaining charges do apply.



I will try to do a summary of how the electricity is charged here. Many of you seem confused but perhaps that's because you don't live here or only visit infrequently. I'm sorry it's so long but I hope it will make the bills easier to understand



The first thing to say is that you should ensure that you receive a monthly bill & an actual (not estimated) one. The estimated bill will never to properly adjusted because of the charging structure. This is most important because the electricity unit charge is based on usage in a month & unlike the UK. which is completely in reverse, the more units you use in a month the more you pay at a higher unit charge. All the UK tariffs I have seen are based on annual usage with a very high unit charge for say 1,000 units per annum & a much lower charge for the remainder of the units used per annum, therefore in the UK the more electricity you use the cheaper per unit it becomes.



Here in the TRNC now there are 4 bands & in a 30 day month (between meter readings), the cheapest band is for the first 250 units, then there are 2 more bands of 250 units taking you up to 750 units a month which are increasingly charged at a higher rate & finally over 750 units a month you pay a maximum unit charge for the remainder which is now over 80% dearer than the rate for the first 250 units. This is why it is important that your meter is read monthly. If it isn't you will pay for a large number of units at the highest rate & you will not get the benefit (as far as I know) of 2 x 250 units at the lowest rate. I am not totally sure about this because I have never had anything other than an 'actual' monthly bill since I've lived here (since early 2002). Perhaps someone who has will clarify this point.



Two more confusions. If the bill is read after 30 days the bands will read eg 275,275 etc or more or less depending on how many days since the last reading. It may be that this will partly deal with a 2 month period between readings but I cannot say. Certainly it won't give the same result as 2 monthly bills would have if the actual usage is much higher in one of those periods.



If the meter is read in less than 30 days since the last reading then the bands will be less than 250 each eg 242, 233. etc.



Looking back at my bills they seem to be 250, 242, 233 & as low as 217 in short months.

or 258, 267, 275, 283, 292 & 300 (only once) in long months. The very long months occur when there are long bayrams (holidays)



These long & short months between readings will tend to distort your monthly bill & the distortion will be greater during very hot or very cold weather if you use electricity for heating.



Finally the confusion about the unit charge being different for every user. This is because they are currently increasing prices yet again & depending on what date your meter is actually read the unit charges will include so many days at the old rate & so many days at the new higher rate. There has hardly been a month this year so far with round kurus unit prices.



In addition to the electricity unit charge, there are additional charges for service charge which like in UK. if you still have a service charge tariff is based on the no. of days since the last reading & therefore alters each month in the same way as the unit charge. Also there is a charge levied towards the upgrading of the power stations. This was introduced in August 2006 at 2 kurus per total units on the monthly bill & hasn't been increased since then. Finally KDV (VAT) is added to the total bill excluding the Power Station charge which is not subject t

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 16:30

Thank you all for your replies. Wheres the Gin bottle?



Can anyone tell me what a normal family in a 3 bed villa with pool expect to use KVAs per

month? also in monetary terms in sterling.



Heavens above Simbas. The old stately home in the UK only consumes £160 pcm.



Make that a treble!



wyn

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 16:54

There's no such thing as normal when it comes to electricity user either here or in UK. We use about 8,000 units a year. We use virtually no gas, do not have CH & do not use any wood at all. We use paraffin & electricity for heating.



January 08 1,060, February 685, March 591, April 548, May 445, June 668, July 843. April & May are usually our lowest months & January & August our highest months.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 16:56

Scruff,



First class posting. I can see the rationale in their pricing structure, but why so complex?



wyn

lippylush


Joined: 29/12/2006
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 20:00

So can anyone advise how much it costs just to run a pool per month. Pool runs 8 hours daily at the current time. Also is it possible to run the pool pump less hours daily or will this effect adversely the water quality.

Regards Sue

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 20:05

Apparently an 8 x 4 pool needs to run no more than 5hrs per 24 hrs maximum. So you are using 3 units a day more than you need. 90 units a month extra on your bill. Who decided to run it 8 hrs a day. If it was your pool maintenance company, ask them if they like to pay your bill.

lippylush


Joined: 29/12/2006
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
11/08/2008 22:15

It was indeed the pool company who made that decision. I've emailed them to inform them only to run the pool 5hrs a day. many thanks for that advice.



sue

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 19:39

Some Infos about Electricity costs:

Business Electric (esnaf, zanaatkarlar ve

ticari işletmelerde) per kWs: 48 New Kuruş

State Offices per kWs: 56 New Kuruş

Builders per kWs: 96 New Kuruş



Domestic Houses

Till 250 kWs: 32 New Kuruş

251-500 kWs: 41 New Kuruş

501-750 kWs: 44 New Kuruş

all above 751 kWs: 59 New Kuruş



Predicted reduction of % 11 from Sebtember, check your bills

Plus 2 New Kuruş on all kWs Santral Katkı Payı or Yatırım Payı meaning Investment cost for new powerstations.

Plus VAT.



Production Price per kWs: 38 New Kuruş on 31 july 2008 !!!! NO JOKE!!!



1 cubic Meter FUEL OIL PRICES:

(80% of TRNC Powerstations run on fuel oil!!)

January 2007: 227.23 USD

January 2008: 423.59 USD

June 2008: 596 USD

July 2008: 710 USD



Reference: Ahmet Uzun- Finincial Minister TRNC From the Papers



Example callculation for a 2kW Pool pump for 5 hrs / day:

5 x 2 = 10kWs / day

10kWs x 30 Days = 300kWs /month

First 250kWs cost you: 250kWs x (0,32 YTL+ 0,02 YTL Santral Payı )= 85 YTL

Rest 50kWs cost you: 50kWs x 0,41 YTL + 0,02 YTL Santral Payı = 21,50 YTL

Total: 106,50 YTL + % 16 VAT (17,04 YTL) = 123,54 YTL

If your Pump runs 10 hours / day then you have other tarifes! Your monthly consumption will be:

10 hrs x 2kW = 20kWs / Day

20 kWs x 30 = 600kWS / month !!

1st 250kWs cost you: 250kWs x (0,32 YTL+ 0,02 YTL Santral Payı )= 85 YTL

2nd 250kWs cost you: 250kWs x 0,41 YTL + 0,02 YTL Santral Payı) = 107,50 YTL

3rd 100kWs cost you: 100kWs x 0,44 YTL + 0,02 YTL Santral Payı) = 46 YTL

Total: 238,50 YTL + % 16 VAT (38,16 YTL) = 276,66 YTL



Thats only the pool pump.



An aircon energy class D (mostly sold cheap in TRNC) uses with 9000BTU approx 1kWs per hr. Running it 5 hrs a day would be a total consumption of rough: 3-5kWs / day. (depending on your allover heatloss)

A standart fridge uses in hot weather 2-3kWs a day!

An A+ fridge about 1kWs.

So, the next calculations are up to you!



Sunny days

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 01:46

God it must be really painful for all concerned. My council tax , service charge, gas and electricity comes to about £200 a month. Mind you I haven't received my latest gas bill and they read the meter a couple of weeks ago. It usually comes within days. Maybe its too heavy for the postman to carry? I will let you know.

aweverard


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 54

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 02:09

now where was that solar/wind power unit I was looking at, I wonder what the payback time would be now?



see:

"Home, green home"

http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11999259

ajney


Joined: 30/04/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 10:35

Are there any companies specialising in solar power or heat pumps in the TRNC currently?

Many thanks

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 11:54

i think i have found the solution as prices are now said to be falling. keep the meter reader from entering your property to read the meter. dog in the garden should be enough. then you get an estimated bill, which is usually less than the bill if the meter is read.hence when the meter is read next month you are paying the previously used units from last month at the reduced rates.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 12:58

Specialised since years and the first, registered commercial Solar Company in North Cyprus, Awarded 2 x the Energy Globe for 1st Zero Energy House in TRNC:

http://www.cyprussunenergy.com or http://www.kibsolar.com

Experience and lots of references, @ the moment renovatig an old village house in Lapta to all the means of renewable energy.

Already installed:

- BackUp Photovoltaic System (well, the mains are the BackUp now )

- Solar Pool Pumping

- 100% chemical free water purification system

- Solar hot water system integrated into heating & pool (nearly finished)

- Wall isolation (last thing to do)

- Hot Air collector (worked on)

for site visits, surveys please give Peter a call, contact details on the web page.



Sunny regards

Henrik

jimmy


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 251

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 19:31

I hope they do price the electric in line with oil cos oil is way down to $95 a barrel. Down from highs of nearly $150 in July. In fact oil is just about as cheap as it was at the start of the year.

ajney


Joined: 30/04/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 11:45

Henrick - Many thanks for the information. I will be emailing you

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 12:07

NEMEX crude oil rates with live graph:

http://personngroup.com/x/cyprussunenergy/news.html



I will do a small prediction and we all will see if it goes like I said. You know how the USA is very dependant on foreign oil. Also remeber the private deal Bush did last year with the saudis to prevent another drastic oil price rise. But he could not or did not wanted to protect the economy from speculative crude oil buyings. ENRON is very active in this. Enron is connected to Mc Cain. Maybe it is completle false what I say, so please do not argue about it or try to push me into one corner. I think whoever will be elected, the prices of crude oil will go up again middle next year latest.

What I want to say is that the "cheap" crude oil price is artificial set, to push one of the canditates.



or wath the movie here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdRbuUQNcxw

Its worth watching it..

Sunny regards

Private Opineon Henrik