Geoff and Mary Day - Court on monday 20th September

puppylover



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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 12:18

Geoff is due in court this monday (20th September).



An exact time has not been specified, but Geoff is due at his solicitor's office at 9am to go through the questions that will be asked of him at court.

Previous court appearances have usually started at 10 but due to limited seating in the court room it is better to arrive earlier if you wish to attend the hearing.



As always they will be very grateful to anyone attending to give them some moral support.

puppylover



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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 12:22

.....forgot to mention, this is the 48th court appearance.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 12:28

For those who are not sure of their story, it's here http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2009/12/21/girne-court-case-for-theft-or-was-it-intimidation/

morty


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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 12:32

Goeff & Mary,



Although here in the UK I'm sure you have many , many people wishing you good luck and a satisfactory end to this matter.



Best of luck,



Morty

Troodo


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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 12:38

Good luck - I hope this farce ends soon.

justwishing


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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 14:04

Geoff and Mary

Wish you the very best of luck - hopefully a successful conclusion so you can get on with your lives.

DeaconB


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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 14:32

The builder should pay for the grief he has caused you both, he must be a real low life bottom feeder.

aussiemike


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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 16:59

48th court appearance???????



bl^^dy hell - thats ridiculous



they (well i am sure someone doeas) says that 48 is a very lucky number

puppylover



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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 19:15

Believe it or not aussiemike it was only at the 47th court appearance that the judge made the decision that Geoff had a case of theft to answer to.



The start of this 48th appearance is Geoff's opportunity to put his defence to the court.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/09/2010 23:11

Please be to god he now has the oportunity. its a farce. good luck both.

littleme


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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 23:47

Many thanks to all for the support & good wishes. We need this to end asap. I would be very grateful for any support given to Geoff at the moment as due to ill health I sadly am stuck in the uk, it is a very worrying time for us both & need it to end very soon so that Geoff can be with me until I get better. We really do not need this stupid builder worry about.

Thank you to all its nice to know that Geoff will not be alone on Monday.

Mary x

littleme


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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 23:50

Sorry a special thank you to all those who turn up every time on past court dates it is nice to have a few friendly faces around & not feel alone

Thanks

Mary x

Lilli



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Message Posted:
18/09/2010 23:52

Get well soon Mary and lets hope that with all the publicity this has attracted , justice will prevail. I feel like going around his and smashing him with a baseball club x

puppylover



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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 00:06

Hi Mary



Get well soon. Hope you are ok otherwise.



Will be there on monday to give support to Geoff..





Hope others will also attend.

This whole sorry saga has got to come to an end sooner rather than later for both your sakes.



As I've said to you on many occasions...how you keep sane is amazing.



My email is on my profile, please don't hesitate to contact me if you need anything.



Take care and chin up.



Love Judy x

littleme


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 00:21

Thank you Judy it's very kind of you

Mary x

spider


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 00:29

Yes good luck for the justice to be correct on this one, and that Monday puts an end to it all so he can go back home to you Mary to help you..get well very soon and lets hope this is all over for you.







Spider,X

apc2010


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 01:35

call the press... the sun will even pay you.............

littleme


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 02:27

Time is running out for me now i already have heart problems not sure it is all worth it, but you have to fight to clear your name. What comes first health or the fight, is cyprus worth such a price. Remember Sheila & Don they paid a heavy price. Is it worth another heart attack or your life?

Mary x

Lilli



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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 07:49

Mary your health needs to come first now, I know how important it is to clear your name but not if it costs your life. please take care xx

EsentepeGal


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 15:18

I'll be there, is there a dress code?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 15:32

Mary I don't know you or Geoff, but you have my heartfelt support, I lost my late husband through the stress of trying to get justice in the TRNC!



Was it worth it? No, but still I fight on alone, why? who the hell knows, I think it must be that sometimes in this world truth will-out, and justice must prevail!



If I was in the TRNC believe me I would be there to support you!



Good Luck, and keep well!

puppylover



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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 15:41

EsentepeGal



No shorts or bare shoulders.



No bottles of water in court and mobile's switched off.



Look forward to seeing you there.

We all usually go for a coffee after the hearing.



If anyone else is free and can attend I know Geoff will appreciate it especially as Mary cannot be there due to illness.

Hector


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 17:49

I hope that the builder has been inconvenienced as much as Geoff & Mary and regrets ever making these malicious allegations.

simbas



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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 17:52

Good luck to you both i hope it all ends for you tomorrow , and i hope you get well soon Mary

Simbas

Pipie


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 19:36

Good luck . I strongly beleive what goes round comes round so that builder should be due some !! lets hope .

puppylover



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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 21:13

back to the top.



See you tomorrow Geoff.

littleme


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 22:54

TRNCvictim I am so sorry to hear this you have my sympathy I feel for you yet admire you for finding the strength to fight on & even more to offer support to Geoff & myself in such difficult times of your own. thankyou.

As you can imagine I will be a wreck all day waiting, thankyou all for all your kind words.



Mary & Geoff x

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
19/09/2010 23:24

Mary, be strong, whatever happens think positive "justice will prevail"



I will be thinking of you all day!



What goes round comes round



XX

puppylover



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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 07:30

If you are free this morning, please come along and give support to Geoff.



Meet outside the court at 9.30am.



See you there.

jardap


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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 09:58

Cant be there because of work,but best of luck for today

jardap


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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 16:37

does anyone know what happened today ?

Hector


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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 16:55

Any news?

puppylover



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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 18:22

Court session began at 10.45am and adjourned with 20 minutes allowing Geoff to return home to get the original copy of his house contract.

The photo copy that was signed by a notary was not accepted by the judge!



Back in court at 4pm this afternoon where Geoff spent the next hour giving his evidence.



Have to say he is coping extremely well and gave clear and concise answers to the questions put to him by his solicitor.

About 10 supporters turned out to give support and also met some really nice Cyprus44 members that I had not met before.



Court resumes tomorrow at 10.30am if any one else is free to attend.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
20/09/2010 19:07

puppylover/Msg 33: '...and gave clear and concise answers to the questions put to him by his solicitor.'



Why would his own advocate question him and not the plaintiff's advocate, or police prosecutor - a trifle perplexing?



Surely, being questioned as above will get him nowhere fast, just as it seems as has happened hitherto.

EsentepeGal


Joined: 12/09/2010
Posts: 144

Message Posted:
20/09/2010 19:38

Msg 34, since when has anything "Official" here, made sense ??, My perspective?, establishing his defence.

The Prosecution have had 47 (No typo, FORTY SEVEN!!!)court appearences to establish their evidence against him, All of which have been dis-proven.

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
20/09/2010 19:47

All this for a couple of pots of paint! Crazy place.

EsentepeGal


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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 19:59

Msg 36, Personally I think it more a case, that the"Guilty Party", has challenged the system, where as He should have coughed to it, dropped his pants and let them shaft him. IMHO ;)

puppylover



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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 20:02

Tenakoutou/msg 34



As EsentepeGal explained, the prosecution have had 47 court appearances to put their case to the judge.



It is now Geoff turn to put his evidence to the court.

He is being questioned by his solicitor on the dispute that he had before the allegation of theft.



The court system here is totally different to the Uk and really is an eye opener to say the least.



Perhaps if you are free tomorrow and for any future court appearances, you could come along and see for yourself?

puppylover



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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 20:03

EsentepeGal



Nice to meet you today.



Good to see some new faces supporting Geoff.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 20:52

The story of Geoff's court appearance today at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/20/geoff-days-48th-trnc-court-appearance-to-prove-his-innocence/

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
20/09/2010 22:09

Just to set the record straight for those not familiar witht the court system.

1. First the prosecution calls his witnesses, asks them questions and gets answers in order to put forward their side of the story. Then the defence "cross-examines" the prosecutioın wittnesses in turn. the prosecution may ask further questions only pertaining to the matters raised by the defence.

2. After the prosecution closes his case the defence may plead ""No prosequi case" i.e. there is no case to answer for. In this instance the judge refused such a call and asked the defence to put forward their case.

3. The advocate for the defence asks questions to the accused in order to put forward their side of the story. Then it will be the turn of the prosecution to "cross-examine" the accused and after that the defence advocate will ask further questions but only pertaining to questions asked by the prosecution.

4. The defence will sum up the case and then the prosecution will do likewise.

5. The case will probably be postponed indefinitely until the judge writes her judgement and is ready to deliver it.

ismet

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/09/2010 23:13

so it could go on for ever , after 47 goes they still cant see. i cant beleive it x

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
20/09/2010 23:58

I do hope that justice, fairness and common sense will prevail.

The ammount of hearings and time scale for this case are beyond belief, let alone costings.



With regards to the faults listed and being discussed within the Court of Law.

Has the prosecution, defence or indeed legal establishment asked for independant investigation or report and confirmation of findings; out with contract.



I remain hopeful and resolute for a positive outcome and with good cause and concern.

Geoff


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Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
21/09/2010 08:30

So what was the outcome of yesterday's court hearing?

Geoff

Famagusta City

malsancak


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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 08:53

Ismet, if the Days both die of old age before the case ends, will they be pronounced guilty? And if they would not be pronounced guilty if they could no longer turn up at the court, why are they bothering to turn up? And if they are guilty if they don't turn up, what kind of legal system is that?

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 09:33

Puppylover/msg 38: 'Perhaps if you are free tomorrow and for any future court appearances, you could come along and see for yourself?'



I know the procedure, as I have previously attended a court session involving this case.



I noted that the curt manner [read orders] directed towards the expat. attendees by the court bailiff [of that session] reflected an unnecessary, overly loud, unpleasant and disrespectful tone, which clearly demonstrated the man's obvious xenophobia.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/09/2010 09:43

Pauline has posted an interim article on North Cyprus Free Press on this ongoing farce, I must say the Judge looked a little rattled and after adjourning the case so Geoff could go to get his original Contract, she

looked even more surprised to see us all back there at 4.10 although she said 3.30, she did not start on time.

Another indication of the contempt in which WE are held by all in the system.

matula


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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 10:46

Good God! This makes the O.J. Simpson trial look like a minor offence.

elko2



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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 14:00

msg 45

Malsancak,



Under the Anglo-saxon System no accused can be tried in their absence. Same here. Under the continental system they can be tried in their absence. That system can be abused to no end. For instance, a political detainee could be held in a prison at a far corner of the country and asked to pay the cost of travel plus the cost of attending guardians in order to attend the trial in a far away place. Would you say unfair? I would say disgusting. When you are interested in the subject of justice, you come accross many injusticies and this happens the world over including UK. Just ask any practising lawyer in any country

malsancak


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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 14:19

I suppose the concept of allowing a judicial review is out of the question here? Where laws are compared with the TRNC Constitution, e.g. Article 7 (Supremacy and Binding Force of the Constitution), Article 8 (Equality), Article 10 (The Nature of Fundamental Rights and their Protection) and of course Article 17 (Rights Relating to Judicial Trials) which says:



(2) Every person shall, in the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, be entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent, impartial and competent court established by law. Judgment shall be reasoned and pronounced in public session.

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 15:11

Mal



a Judicial review is the review of a deciscion of the executive by the judiciary and would not be in play here as the judiciary already have seizure of the case.



Whilst I don't know the reasons for every delay and hearing in the case you would like to hope that the Judge was mindful of the waste of time in the case and also the effect on natural justice that such long drawn out procedures were having. Unfortunately neither of these questions have generated an answer in the Judges mind for her to dismiss the case out of hand.





Harold

malsancak


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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 15:35

no, I mean as in the US where I believe it is a review of laws or legal practices which contradict the Constitution

Sundance


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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 16:22

Any one got any news yet,

jardap


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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 16:44

is the case still being heard ?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 18:22

Today's court appearance reported by Pauline Read on NCFP at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/21/geoff-days-49th-trnc-court-appearance-and-still-no-judgement/

Bernies


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Posts: 95

Message Posted:
21/09/2010 18:33

Tomorrow will be Geoff's 50th appearance. May be we should all wear a small badge with "50" written on it.



I am sure nobody will have a clue what it is for!!

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/09/2010 19:21

I believe the court officials are becoming more and more aware of the presence of Geoff and Mary's

'cheer leaders', not a large gathering but a very loyal one. Unfortunately, Pauline wll not be able to

attend tomorrow but she will make every effort to collect information from Geoff and others and keep

you all informed. It has come as a surprise that the case is being heard three days in succession, and

obviously the way it should be, but here who knows what criteria they apply.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
21/09/2010 21:27

Good Luck Geoff for tomorrow, Mary keep the faith, wish I could be there to support you both! "cheer leaders" keep cheering!



Justice must prevail! without Justice there is Nothing!

CyprusChill


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Posts: 666

Message Posted:
21/09/2010 22:51

Good update and reporting from Pauline Read NCFP.

Has the question of unfinished sites and purchasers similar experiences been raised, out with these poor individuals case.

I would suggest that many such associated sites have a similar dilema and issue with legal contract.

The completion of a project i would suggest requires the greatest effort and confirms the ability to complete the next.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 23:46

I agree as always good reporting from Pauline on NCFP



CyprusChill you will have to enlarge your next questions because you have lost me? perhaps it's very late and I am very tired! could you elaborate?

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/09/2010 23:52

bernies you are so right. the big 50 what a farce, nowhere in the world. Geoff and Mary may god be on your side to get this over with, once and for all. Its made many scared here to buy now. Had a couple in tonight , havent seen them for 9 months.They had an offer on their appartment and beautiful it is is lapta. So they came to sort it out, faced with loads of red tape but took a 6,000 pound less than they paid 2 years ago now complete with all furniture, tv dvd, fitting, lines etc, but so glad never to come back here. so sad x

spider


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Message Posted:
21/09/2010 23:55

Good luck..and its about time this case came to am end, what a carry on..and a worry for you both..







Spider,X

littleme


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Posts: 299

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 00:09

Dear all

Well I can not thank you all enough for all the support that you have all given, it helps to keep your mind together when you can read all the comments & know that you are not crazy. I did start work on a badge for the 50th but not being there I hope Geoff can get it done but he now has overnight to get photo's sorted for the court (the builder had 2 years) to sort his ! I just feel that the sooner all this is over the better, it's hard to work on your health when you have so much to worry about & as Geoff will tell you I am his right hand so for me to be away makes it very hard for him. My son is now ok & on the mend but my health has taken a bit of a bash so have to take it a bit easy. (what a joke) But I must say it is of great comfort to know that Geoff is not alone so to all those who have helped in anyway the biggest thank you from myself & Geoff xx

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 00:14

mary although many of us cant get there does not mean we do not care. We do and this is talked about beleive you me. This is going to do more harm than good to the trnc.I wish you well in your health issues god that would put a strain on anybody. I wish geoff all the luck tomorrow, 50 over and done x

littleme


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Posts: 299

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 00:27

Thank you Lilli, thats why I put "to all those who have helped in anyway" as so many have in one way or another & I know how much it all helps be it turning up at court or messages of support the comfort Geoff & I get from it helps no end.

Thanks Mary x

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 00:31

Im sure love, I tell everyone every night the injustice that has been done to you. I know i have put off buyers but until this is purt right i will continue xxxxx

apc2010


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Message Posted:
22/09/2010 01:22

once this court case is settled , do mary and Geoff intend on staying in cyprus..???

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
22/09/2010 07:17

Mary - keep the faith, you know Pauline and the whole of Kulaksiz 5 is with you all the way.

Gob on a stick Pauline will proclaim the injustice being done to you and Geoff to everyone who will read

her blogs and listen to her ranting.



The Persection Service should never have mounted this case. Shame on them.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 10:00

This is one for 'elko2':



If a defendant is found guilty in TRNC, is he/she liable for the court/prosecution costs?



If found 'not guilty', can one claim one's own litigation costs from the plaintiff and, if awarded, succeed in ACTUALLY receiving the monies in full?



Also, if it has been proven and established by the court that the plaintiff gave false information to the police in order to get the defendant arrested and charged, can the [proven innocent] defendant subsequently sue the police for 'wrongful arrest and detention'?



Would the above action set a precedent in TRNC legal history?



Perhaps other 'armchair legal eagles' [amongst forum members] might like to pose other hypothetical questions in a similar vein?



Many thanks in anticipation of your early response, 'elko2'!

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 10:47

justice and law are two different things here

Groucho



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Message Posted:
22/09/2010 11:06

"if it has been proven and established by the court that the plaintiff gave false information to the police in order to get the defendant arrested and charged" and repeated those lies in court then they have perjured themselves.



If they did not repeat them in court but instead recanted and or admitted that they were lies then they are guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice. In any judicial system.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 11:22

msg. 69,

1. In criminal cases, irrespective of the verdict no costs are awarded.

2. If a wittness gives deliberate false information to the police, they can be charged for it (in theory but very rare in practice).

3. If a wittness (either for the prosecution or the defence) gives false evidence to the court under oath, can be tried for "contemp of court" (in theory but very rare in practice). Same applies to civil cases. In one particular case I asked the judge to put into effect this rule but he was not pleased and ignored it.

4. "Wrongful arrest and detention" can be brought by civilians against any police but it must involve detention against rules. Getting a verdict of "not guilty" does not mean that the accused was wrongly detained. Indeed the fact that the accused is called to present his case proves otherwise i.e. there is sufficient evidence for a charge. Furthermore, the new generation of judges and lawyers know almost nothing about "false arrest", so forget it.

ismet

PS: I went through Ercan several times recently and nobody asked me about my unpaid traffic tickets-its none of their business.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
22/09/2010 13:21

"I went through Ercan several times recently and nobody asked me about my unpaid traffic tickets-its none of their business."



None of their business it maybe but you are a citizen... therefore they can't deny you access. To us 'mere mortals' it's more of an issue and they do - make it their business.



They inform you that you have outstanding tickets and this means you have a limited time period within which to clear them before penalties for late payment kicks in...



I appreciate you are only recounting your privileged experience but us ex-pats need to be a bit more circumspect before we decide to flout the law.

elko2



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Message Posted:
22/09/2010 13:37

msg. 73

Groucho,

I am not flouting any law. I am innocent until proved otherwise in court. My position is exactly the same as any expat. Let me explain. You get stopped at Ercan if you have a ticket which has not been served on you i.e. they could not find you. Once you have your ticket you are free to go in and out even if you do not pay it. If one day they bring charges to you (which they are reluctant to do at the moment), you will be stopped again if they are looking for you to serve the papers. Then you will have to defend the case or you will have more trouble. I can assure you that being a citizen is not relevant.

ismet

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 13:46

I think that when/if the Days are found innocent then it will be very interesting to find out if any EU newspapers would carry an article saying, in theory of course, that it costs £20k to prove innocence here and even if the accuser is a proven liar in court he is able to go back the next day and start up another case accusing them of stealing his cigarette lighter, mysteriously discovered one morning on their door step. I think the TRNC would become the laughing stock of the EU and their request for Direct Trade ridiculed on the grounds that no EU citizen would dare enter a contract with a business here.

bugsy


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Posts: 114

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 14:41

any news of todays proceedings

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
22/09/2010 14:53

Thank you for clarifying the situation 'elko2'.



From your information, it is abundantly clear that the TRNC legal system can bankrupt any innocent person by deliberately and unnecessarily prolonging the proceedings, while a rogue plaintiff can pervert the course of justice with immunity and impunity.



So, any fabricated complaint [made by a Cypriot] to the police [against an expatriate] will result in the arbitary arrest and detention of a, possibly, innocent person.



Please confirm, or deny, [according to your information] 'Elko2' - thank you.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
22/09/2010 14:56

'arbitary' should have been spelled ARBITRARY - whoops!

sloan



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Message Posted:
22/09/2010 15:02

Today's proceeding were mainly taken up with the continuation of questioning about a variety of allegations of theft. Geoff is back in court on Monday (probably at 10.30, but this has to be confirmed). At this stage, the questions by the defence will be concluded and the questions by the prosecution will begin, although I do believe there are up to 4 defence witnesses who may or may not be called.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 16:39

Sloan, do you mean the persectution will cross examine Geoff and any witnesses who give evidence on

his behalf?

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
22/09/2010 16:50

It certainly seems like persecution, Polly, although I am pleased to say that Geoff is bearing up admirably! Mary (if you are reading this) you should be very proud of him. He has taken it all in his stride and does not appear to have been rattled at all.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
23/09/2010 12:40

DETAILS OF 50TH appearance now on North Cyprus Free Press



also an excellent article from David on his break in(s)

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
23/09/2010 18:59

I think we owe it to Geoff & Mary Day and ourselves as it could oh, so easily happen to any one of us, to give this case as much adverse publicity as humanely possible. How can any of us sleep soundly in our beds or feel secure whilst in the TRNC knowing that such a disgraceful injustice could happen to us?



Whilst I really enjoy visiting the TRNC, how can I relax knowing that if I dare to say anything to upset a local, they can simply make a malicious allegation of theft however ludicrous (ask Geoff & Mary Day)? The result being days in a filthy jail and then years of court appearances, confinement to the TRNC, health issues and huge legal costs?



If the TRNC government, politicians and citizens want to be regarded as a civilised independent country worthy of EU (and world) recognition & support they should be in despair when injustice such as this happens.

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
23/09/2010 20:06

I wonder how many court appearances the TRNC's favourite son (Asil Nadir) will have to go through in the UK? And for a lot more than a few bits of wood and a couple of tins of paint!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
23/09/2010 20:08

Matula - excellent observation and one that Malcolm NCFP should tackle

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/09/2010 20:12

Asil Nadir, has been invited to attend the "Protest" on the 4th October to support TRNC victims that want Justice from the TRNC, just like he wants Justice from UK, wonder if he'll come?



Good Post Hector (mess 83)

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
23/09/2010 20:23

Sorry Elko, I don't believe it for one minute... being a citizen and permanent resident of the TRNC will in practice make every difference to one's treatment.



I know it shouldn't and I know in theory there may be no legal distinction but in practice those who have been refused re-entry to the TRNC until fines are paid will know that they are treated very differently to those whose birthright entry to the TRNC is...

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/09/2010 20:34

Groucho/Msg 87: 'Sorry Elko, I don't believe it for one minute...'



As surely 'The most helpful member', the last thing I want to do is embark on 'Elko Bashing'!



However, I do agree with 'Groucho', that there is, indeed, 'privilege of citizenship status' practiced by the authorities in Cyprus [North & South]; so much, that it all amounts to the most unpalatable and unfair racial discrimination.



I would still be grateful if Elko2 could bring himself to admit, or refute, the frightening allegations of my Msg 77.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
23/09/2010 21:18

Hopefully someone will write about Asil's court case for NCFP if they have a few minutes to spare

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
23/09/2010 21:55

Although I have every sympathy -I don't think all this publicity is good for their case.



Cyprus 44 is not a court and most of its members know very little about the TRNC legal system.



Perhaps we should hold our opinions/judgement until after the case in order to allow a fair hearing.



Its just my view.



Thanks

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
24/09/2010 01:27

Thanks everyone for the updates I check in when I can. I have also been keeping up to date with articles in NCFP many thanks to Pauline & co & I must not miss David out. I must say it is good to get other opinions on what has gone on so pat on the back for you all.

many thanks

Mary x

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
24/09/2010 02:30

hector , my dear boy you reap what you sow.....

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
24/09/2010 09:09

apc2010/Msg 92: 'hector , my dear boy you reap what you sow..... '



In the whole of Cyprus, as far as justice for expatriates is concerned, historically [since 1960] this has not been the case.



Cypriots have been allowed to get away with being 'a law unto themselves' and, apparently, judging by recent statements emanating from EU, the continuing human rights violations continually perpetrated here are of no concern to EU.



That is as much as EU values its constituents!



Why doesn't EU suspend funding until Cyprus is seen to have made amends to comply with ethical norms?



Unless this happens, nothing can possibly change, because that simple little word 'incentive' is required to force change. Only suspension of EU funding can force such urgently needed and long overdue change.

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
26/09/2010 23:56

Well back in court on Monday 27th September should be 10:30am



We live in hope is all that I can say, I think that the sooner this ends the better & Geoff can join me in the UK as I will be unable to travel for some time.

I think he will need the break & the children & grandchildren so badly want to see him & I know he misses them. To see his granddaughter for the first time in over 2 years & hold his Grandson for the first time will be a very emotional time but worth it. That is what we hope for & look forward to it keeps us going along with the support of so many others thank you.

mary x

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 01:59

Our Site RECAIOGLU Sites ..

To the despair of the owners.

Requirements -

Completion of street lighting and utilities.

Snagging to properties.

Communal Swimming Pool.

Well Water Electric and minimum Safety.

Approach roads, council approval.

( an onsite foreman who can do the job )



Damian Flynn.

(Remember when i first met you and we talked about Fathers and Sons. )

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 02:05

Good update and reporting from Pauline Read NCFP.



Has the question of unfinished sites and purchasers similar experiences been raised, out with these poor individuals case.



I would suggest that many such associated sites have a similar dilema and issue with legal contract.



The completion of a project i would suggest requires the greatest effort and confirms the ability to complete the next.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 02:06

3429 Views ?

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 02:28

We chose North Cyprus because our Fathers had served.

50's 60's 70's.

The Mountains, the sea,

The Turkish Cypriot .. ' Nicer people, grafters '.



We fell in love with the place. Our second home.



(Wood and firebricks ..... nonsense.)

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 07:16

Roy what a wonderful idea! nothing like closing your wallet to concentrate the mind...



Maybe we (ex-pats) should boycott all Cypriot run businesses to bring home the message... it would be a hard lesson for some and I have every sympathy for those ethical Cypriot businesses that would suffer but in the long-term it might make a difference.



The voters in the TRNC have no vested interest in the ex-pat community's well-being it would seem. Well they would if we made it clear this legal black-hole is not acceptable... and we won't patronise their business until they show they care... Just a thought.



Good luck today Geoff!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 07:26

good luck today Geoff, hope its the last and you can get home soon x

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 08:23

Hi everyone Pauline will be there this morning, notebook and pen at the ready. You must remember

she is only an amatuer but she does her best to reflect the mood and the content of the hearing.



Those of you who have property issues, the VIgil is for all of you, be there. Pauline has been invited

by the new Ambassador of the Turkish Embassy to meet with him and would welcome any notes, letters, info you would like her to bring to his attention. This is for everyone, not just Kulakszi 5 . Geoff and Mary's

situation if very much a property a new and more sinister slant. What will they think of next?

jardap


Joined: 08/08/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 16:12

How has it gone today ? any news.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 18:53

in court today on NCFP - http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/27/geoff-days-50th-trnc-court-appearance-the-house-with-built-in-leaks/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 19:03

I have to say today even the judge looked as if she was trying not to laugh. If it wasnt impacting to badly

on Geoff and Marys life it would be funny. The cheerleaders were hard put not to laugh out loud, Geoff

played a blinder. Mrs Peyman looked like she was about to throw her dolly out of the pram.



The young ladies on the same bench as me who were obviously training to be prosecutors were getting

smiles from Perry Rumpole (the prosecutor) all in all quite a day.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 19:04

Dont think you could even make up such a story line for a book, could you, if it wasnt so serious it would be comical....



Still keeping our fingers crossed for some good to come out of all this....

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 22:20

Really good article Pollymarples, and no dizzycows you couldn't make it up! comical for the victims involved it certainly isn't!



Comical for TRNC victims who have lost everything it will never be, some good to come out of all this..........



Thow your dice dizzycows............. It's a Casino

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
27/09/2010 23:25

TRNCvictim, polyymarples article is very good, my comment in msg105 wasnt meant to be offencive to any one, so Im truely sorry if it came over as such. Geoff and Mary have been living in a nightmare situation and I think we are all totally disgusted at how they have been and are being treated by the courts.



If any one could make a film of this saga, it would show the rest of the world what b----y idiots these courts, advacats, and the judges are...



You too must be another victim of these crazy non existent laws for the home buyer, I wish you well in getting things sorted for yourself...dizzy

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
28/09/2010

Dizzy



Are you going to be in London or the TRNC on the 4th October? and yes I am yet another victim who knows you and many others are ok! and understand you wish all of us well in getting things sorted for ourselves!



It would be so nice as fellow countrymen you joined the ever diminishing band of" I'm alright Jacks" who realize in the long run you need a corruption free zone to enjoy your TRNC Investment over the long term!



Or can Geoff & Mary, Aga, and Kulaziz 5 and many more tempt you to join us on the 4th? maybe not, hey, I understand how difficult it is!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 07:31

Hey Dizzy,



Pauline says keep pushing 'You Couldn't Make It Up' it will be the title of her book if she is ever given

enough time to write it, or if new material for it ever stops coming in . Pauline's advocate suggested

she write the book and she even said because 'you couldn't make it up', so the idea and the title will

have come from an advocate - how ironic is that. The situation has introduced Pauline to contacts she

would never have met if her life had remained 'ordinary' so even this situation will help in launching

the book when the time is right.



Remember everyone here is a victim on the property scam, if only because it is adversely affecting the

value of your property/investment. Until there is a resolution, it will only reduce the value more and more.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 10:48

Polymarples, lets hope Pauline does get time to write the book, as books then can lead into a film! This saga is so heart rendering and farcical that as I have mentioned it could be a comedy if it wasnt so serious. As for the title, it is a good title as it is eyecatching, which every auther wants, all the best with it any way.



TCNCvictim, all the best with the demo, no I wont be there at London, have'nt quite retired yet to be able to do the trip to London, its a 4/5hr trip up from where we live! I too have done many demos in London re farming when the gov took away our livelyhoods too. I do keep myself updated re the property and Geoff and Mary and the Kulaziz 5, all of which are in every ones thoughts. I truely wish you well, and maybe see you at a meeting in NC....

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 12:05

Some papers had headlines this morning about a silent vigil with candles infront of the Turkish Embassy in Nicosia.

ismet

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 12:10

Thank you for letting us know ismet



X

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 14:29

Any news on what rubbish they have been throwing at Geoff today?

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 14:42

It was the second day of questioning by the prosecution. Much of the questioning was about when wood had been moved from the house, why dining room panels were not in the civil case and itemising the list of goods that Geoff had allegedly stolen and telling Geoff that he had stolen them. The prosecution offered no evidence to back up the claims that the goods were stolen. The session ended with some disagreement about how many breeze blocks it takes to build a barbecue ...... and it continues tomorrow, 10.30. Looking forward to seeing as many people as possible. Geoff really appreciates all the support he can get.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 15:21

Thanks Sheila

Onlooker


Joined: 28/09/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 17:22

To Geoff and Mary Day



I was about to buy a house from Ahmet Recaioglu and had paid a GBP1,000 deposit and incurred legal expenses. Then I became aware of your case. (I am based in Kuwait.)



On reviewing available information I sent an email to Ahmet Recaioglu querying the status of this case. His reply failed to convince and so I cancelled the purchase, losing my deposit.



This is what I said to my North Cyprus lawyer:



===

Thank you for your email. I note your comments on the Geoff and Mary day case.



Ahmet Recaiolgu is free to sue me in North Cyprus, Kuwait, or the United Kingdom (all three if he has the financial resources). He can also apply to IATA and Interpol to try and have me arrested when I board an international flight. I understand he did something similar with the Days at Ercan International Airport so he should know how the procedure works.



I suggest he keeps the GBP1,000 deposit and simply looks for another buyer.

===



Good luck to you both!!

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 19:59

Geoff Day 52 - http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/28/geoff-day%e2%80%99s-52nd-trnc-court-appearance-%e2%80%93-in-ever-decreasing-circles/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 20:22

Pauline has written up her report of Geoff's day at the court. He is so strong, I dont know how he is still

standing.



Pauline had a little excitement too, the secret service policeman was waiting for her outside court with the

cheerleaders when she arrived, she only found out tonight about the vigil being front page news in the

Turkish Speaking newspaper. She sent them notices of it yesterday. Fortunately, it was the lovely

man from the auction she accused of being and AKfinans Bank Manager, open mouth, insert foot, that's

our Pauline. He was too busy to join us to support Geoff.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 21:54

Can't the judge see that the prosecution are reduced to simply 'clutching at straws'?



What a pity that adage probably can't be translated into Turkish!



However, maybe there is a Turkish equivalent adage?



If so, it should be continually put to the judge.

doppelganger


Joined: 08/09/2010
Posts: 147

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 22:13

why not choreograph the cheer leaders ??



one cough all put your hands over your mouth.



2 coughs hands over your eyes etc it could be hilairious

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 22:43

Onlooker I am sorry you lost your £1000 but so happy that our case saved you so much more & all the misery & torment, so many people have been put off buying from Ahmet Recaioglo because of what he has done to us & for that I am happy that they do not have to suffer in the same way that Geoff & I have.I just hope that our case helps many others as it will have done some good & that helps.

thank you it is good to know

Mary

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 22:48

Geoff & Mary



Keep the Faith, Keep going, surely the end must be in sight?



But most of all Keep well!



X

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
28/09/2010 23:25

I wish i was there as i have on my computer photo's of the breeze blocks sitting in the middle of the garden with one of the builders workers standing just a couple of feet away from them all 110 not what you would say hidden is it.

as for the wood well they sat by the side of the house next to the road in full view of anyone & everyone who walked up the road ie you have to walk past our house to even get into the road. Yes they have been given to the court.

No you couldn't make it up

as for the book how about: I have lost my Cyprus marble's

Mary x

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/09/2010

onlooker you had a lucky escape doppleganger or whatever where you there. why make light of a serious situation

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
29/09/2010 00:43

Just to let you all know that Geoff was also in the Civil court today & that the Civil matter has been adjourned until November 2nd pending the result of the criminal case. !!!!!!!!!!

Make of that what you will. what more can I say.

Mary x

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
29/09/2010 13:29

Hi Roy,



There is a Turkish equivalent saying which goes along the lines that a drowning man will grasp a snake.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
29/09/2010 17:52

the 53rd court appearance now on NCFP http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/29/geoff-day%e2%80%99s-53rd-trnc-court-appearance-%e2%80%93-whos-as-thick-as-a-plank-of-wood/

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
29/09/2010 18:33

Denize dushen yilana sarilir.

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
29/09/2010 19:00

I have been reading Pauline's account of the trial - what a load of boll**ks.



The law (TRNC style) is an ass!

Glynn


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 192

Message Posted:
29/09/2010 19:16

What do you expect from a banana republic that can't even grow bananas?????



Mickey Mouse has been seen wearing a TRNC watch!!



Love living here.....but you really have to laugh.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
29/09/2010 19:57

nareik I hope you mean the trial and not Pauline's account - if she didn't report the humour, there would be

nothing to say, law here, as you say in an ass.





You are right Glynn, I know a TC who calls it a water melon republic. If you enjoy a good laugh,

come to the court and watch the sleeping policeman............better be careful someone might run over him.

Bernies


Joined: 21/09/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
29/09/2010 20:05

look out for the stranger in the cowboy hat tomorrow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
30/09/2010 16:44

Polly,



of course I mean the sham trial - not Pauline's account.



I hope I didn't cause any offence - certainly none was intended (towards Pauline).



Best wishes,



Nareik.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
30/09/2010 21:06

Nareik, pulling your leg, we know you are a supporter.



Pauline has collated a story from Davids notes and it is on North Cyprus Free Press shortly.



She apologises for the lateness but she had the apointment with the Ambassador which went very well.

The she had an interview with a local journalist, stopped for a bite to eat on the way back from Lefkosa.



Tomorrow she has a court appearance for her own case and then has to be in Lefkosa fro 12.00 to see

the Chief of Police there about the Vigil. Need a 28 hour day.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
30/09/2010 21:08

Keep going Pollymarples, we are behind you

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
30/09/2010 21:11

Day 54 - The Never Ending Story - http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/09/30/geoff-day%e2%80%99s-54th-trnc-court-appearance-%e2%80%93-never-ending-story/

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
30/09/2010 22:01

Geoff, Mary, Pollymarples, malsancak, and natalie, please all get a good nights sleep, as will I!



We need to be fit and well for MONDAY 4th OCTOBER!!!!



Polllymarples don't forget you need to give directions to the Turkish Embassy tomorrow along with parking facilities and that's before you go to see the Chief of Police regarding the VIGIL



IF YOU CARE PLEASE BE THERE



Geoff & Mary - Keep the Faith!

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
01/10/2010 00:20

where is/was their property ..>>>???

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/10/2010 20:15

DELAYED BUT NOT CANCELLED - Read on North Cyprus Free Press







NEWS NEWS NEWS OF VIGIL KEEP YOUR WICKS TRIMMED

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/10/2010 05:20

For those of you who do not already know Geoffs hearing number 55 was adjourned (Friday) due to the

fact that the interpreter was needed in another court. Why waste anyone else's time when they can

waste Geoffs and that of his loyal cheerleaders. I am thinking of making them ra ra skirts and pom poms,

perhaps I might even choreograph a little dance routine for them. David would look very fetching in a

little ra ra skirt, got the legs you know. No Geoff, you still have to wear your suit. but perhaps we could

stick a pom pom on Perry's head.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
02/10/2010 05:49

Best wishes and good luck in all of this terrible mess, keep you chin up and doing what you have to do..Not a lot we can say to be honest, just that we are rooting for you. Best Wishes..





Spider,X

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 02:20

Views 5223.



Geoff and Mary.

We remain interested in your case and its sensible outcome.



For all concerned.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 07:29

http://www.recaioglultd.com/emlak/tr/anasayfa/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 07:48

I have received news this morning Mon. 4th Oct. that Geoff has been unwell all night and is unlikely to

be able to appear in Court today.



I will let you know more when I do.



GET WELL SOON GEOFF our love pours out to you and Mary

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 09:49

With all this sickeningly blatant victimisation Geoff has had to endure, is it any wonder this has eventually taken its toll?



With all the inane and superfluous questions he has been constantly barraged with, it is amazing how he has been able to maintain his composure - most people's sphincter would have been twisted and tied into an unravellable knot by now.



Get well, Geoff, ASAP, and return to give these so and so's, not as good as you get - better than you get!

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 17:39

Get well soon Geoff



Bet the prosecution have the cheek, after all the wasted time Geoff has spent, to complain if he isn't well enough to discuss firebricks today!





H

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 18:12

Oh Tenakoutou you are so eloquent,



Next hearing Thursday afternoon be there at 1.30 we are short a couple of supporters so more would

be welcome.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 18:39

Oh, 'pollymarples', thank you - however, your own eloquence and admirable sense of purpose, coupled with your amazing tenacity, far exceeds any of my own dubious attributes!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 19:11

Tenakoutou - lets just form a mutual admiration society and have done with it, seriously, thank you.



Wonderful picture of Mary on NCFP now. Such a special lady.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 09:10

Thursday start time 2.00 p.m. Girne District Court 56th appearance.



IF YOU MISS THIS ONE, YOU WILL KICK YOURSELVES - PROMISES TO BE VERY.......INTERESTING





I am NOT teasing.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 13:07

REALLY I am not.

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 14:38

Can we not bank what is already on this thread , alhough we are all interested in what is going on it is an awful lot to scroll down to read.

Can we start a new thread please.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 15:33

NCMan



When you get on this thread just press the end button on your keyboard you should them come to the last message

Molly


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 15:59

To those who are kind enough to give their support in court tomorrow, please remember to observe the rules i.e. do not wear sunglasses inside, no bottles of water, no bare shoulders (both sexes!)etc.



Whilst Geoff is trying to present a relaxed and lighthearted demeanour to those who know him, he is under enormous stress which he appears to be coping with. However utterly ridiculous these allegations may seem, he is perfectly aware of the possible consequences if he fails to convince the judge of his innocence.



Despite what has been written, this case is not a joke - please refrain from inappropriate comments and behaviour both in the court and on this forum.



Your consideration will be much appreciated by Geoff.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 16:03

NCMan, if you edit your profile and select the newest posts first will also help you.

Sundance


Joined: 15/07/2010
Posts: 213

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 16:14

Geoff I wish you all the very best,I take my hat off to you, for in the maner you have conducted yourself in dealing with this case at this very difficult time, I would of lost the plot a long time ago



Sundance

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 19:41

Molly, Geoff is in court Thursday, not tomorrow. We need you all there - very special- expecting a special

person to attend too. You are right, Pauline has decided she has pulled enough tails, all serious from here

on in.



It is however, yet another Property related issue and the so called 5 wise men should take note. Is there

any dirty low trick these builder wont stoop to in pursuit of money?

Molly


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 21:59

Pollymarples



Sorry, I have lost track of the days. Geoff is due to appear again on Thursday afternoon. Anyone who wishes to attend please read post no. 154.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 22:18

Molly, no worries, I lose days quite regularly and if it wasn't for the label in my tee shirt I wouldn't know

who I was, I am St. Michael aren't I?



Hope to see you Thursday Molly and our mystery supporter??

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 22:45

Enough of this totally incomprehensible case which beggars belief. I think it is time to ask Ismet for compassionate leave to request his wife to get involved even though it's 'outside' her normal area of practice.

I'll build a NZ BBQ to anyone's spec and show how many bricks are needed! None! I'll just dig a hole and bury the bastard builder and all his cohorts and cook them all up for a hangi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR6M734kAfQ

Human meat is okay, slightly porky in flavour, but knowing that chewing away on a crooked spare and bent rib juiced up with a splendid Kiwi 'bullshit' sauce makes the whole dish very palatable! You may 'judge' for yourself how she/he compares to the soften texture of the Advocate (forearms are the best) to a more gristly rough developer!



Richard

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 23:38

I only wish that I was there to be with Geoff, please as many as possible turn out on thursday please.

thank you

Mary x

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 06:17

oo er Brinsley, have you got enough room for all the rogue builders, keep us all going for years!



Mary, don't you worry, Geoff's cheerleaders will be there to look after him for you. You rest and

recuperate after you busy day on Monday, what a trouper you are. Keep the faith.

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 10:43

Thank you Yfred very helpfull

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 20:14

We will be there for you tomorrow Geoff.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 21:03

Mary

Received an email from a board member this morning stating that she would like to come along tomorrow and offer support to Geoff.



She doesn't have transport at the moment so we are going to pick her up.

Don't worry...the supporters will be there to give support to Geoff.



Take care and look after yourself.



Regards



Judy & Michael xx

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 21:20

Thanks and well done all you supporters, wish we could be with you.

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 23:11

To all those who will be attending court tomorrow my thanks for taking the time it really means a lot.

Those who are unable to attend we know we have your support & we thank you be it attending court or messages of support it really does help so a big, big thank you to you all. So many people have helped so much in many different ways thank you so much.

Mary x

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 23:17

Mary,



From all at Abag, Keep smiling, we will be thinking of you both, we wish we could be there to support Geoff in our Ra Ra skirts



X

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/10/2010 10:19

Looks like we might need some extra benches in court this afternoon,wonder what the Judge is going

to make of it.

flawww


Joined: 12/09/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
07/10/2010 12:20

47 court appearences for a case such as this... ?????

'takes out his revolver and shoots, but the angle was a bit steep, the bullet misses his head and strikes his neighbor instead...oh well, more courts and cases... life in NC'



And counting... this is insane, even to the insane.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/10/2010 22:33

Mr Rauf Denktas kindly joined us at the court this afternoon.



Another interesting hearing - actually it was very repetitious. Pauline has submitted the article which

could well have been her last if Malcolm took the e mail sent to NCFP seriously and closed Pauline's

user account as was requested. Read more on North Cyprus Free Press. Someone doesn't believe

in the Freedom of the Press. Guess she is not on his Christmas card list, whoever he is.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
08/10/2010 00:29

Pollymarples,



nice to know Rauf Denktas joined you hope Geoff was ok, and he got all the support needed?



Whoever the E mailer is would you want to be on his Christmas card list? there are many E Mailers over there, you can find out who they are with a little knowledge! believe me I know!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
08/10/2010 01:26

With the amount of respect Rauf Denktas commands I'm surprised the judge didn't shit him/herself and put this whole sordid affair to bed.



Richard

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/10/2010 07:12

I have to say that this was a very well conducted hearing with the Defence being given opportunity to object and

the Judge commenting regularly and from what I can understand, not to the detriment of Geoff, as it has seemed in previous hearings.

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
08/10/2010 07:28

Appearance 57 is on Monday (11th October) at 2 pm.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/10/2010 09:27

Pauline has written up yesterdays hearing, at least until the bit where she had a coughing spasm and had

to excuse herself. It was sent in to NCFP last night - I think Malcolm is in the holiday mode - he deserves

it.



She is still smiling over meeting the wonderful Mr. Denktas again.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/10/2010 11:05

Story now on NCFP

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/10/2010 07:16

Please do not forget Geoff is in court again on Monday at 2.00 p.m. Your support would be so appreciated.

Cannot guarantee Mr. Denktas will be there again, but if a elderly statesman can make such an effort, maybe

you could emulate him. We would love to see you.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
10/10/2010 04:32

Mr Rauf Raif Denktaş



First President of TRNC a Scholar of Teaching and Law.

He once quoted : " We take this initiative today to solve this issue from a humanitarian perspective, and God willing we will suceed.



May i offer also as a humble man : " In our dreams as individuals and families of the builder that we are, the final hand shake commands the greatest respect ".

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
10/10/2010 07:33

CyprusChill: "In our dreams as individuals and families of the builder that we are, the final hand shake commands the greatest respect ".



Unfortunately, for many foreign homebuyers, neither the families, the builders, or many other individuals are prepared to honour the final handshake, which is why they deserve to command the greatest disrespect !

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/10/2010 07:49

According to Cyprus Today, Mr. Denktas will honour us with his presence again on Monday



MONDAY (tomorrow) 2.00 p.m at Girne District Criminal Court



I note neither Reg or his brother ever attend. Pity I could take their photos.

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
10/10/2010 23:24

I think he has only been 1 maybe 2 times during the 2 years guess it was more a case of cause Geoff & myself as much inconvenience as possible & not the builder.

Well who knows what tomorrow will bring, lets see. I think we could make a horror film at the end of all this.

mary x

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
10/10/2010 23:59

littleme & pollymarples,



Just remember It's my bloody book! what tomorrow brings? well let's see! I know who could play "Dracula" if made into a horror film!



Wish I could be in the courtroom, as I know you do Mary



Keep Strong sweetheart



X

jardap


Joined: 08/08/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 11:26

Best wishes for today,

Onlooker


Joined: 28/09/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:38

Geoff and Mary



I was pleased to see that Rauf Denktas has taken an interest in your case. Foreign media are now more likely to track this story of the criminal process in TRNC being abused by a well-connected builder in an unscrupulous attempt to force payment on a disputed bill.



Can I suggest you also need an international website, structured in such a way that it shows up on search engines. Ensure your story does not stay on this forum but gets linked to the bigger picture: TRNC's attempts to win credibility as a tourist and investment destination, and Turkey's attempts to gain membership of the EU. If you have photos of the building materials and a chronology I'll gladly assist from Kuwait.



Your endgame should be to gain compensation from the TRNC authorities and Ahmet Recaioglu for wasting two years of your life and all the attendant unnecessary stress and strain.



Your case calls into question TRNC's credibility and viablity... no wonder Rauf Denktas is taking note!!!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 17:22

Very good advise Onlooker !!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 17:36

How this case has been conducted by these courts is disgusting, it is a basically against 'human rights' to have put these two people through what they have had to endure.. It should be taken to the Court of Human Rights, enough is enough........

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 21:09

Good Luck to you both for tomorrow (yet again)!



How Much Longer Must This Go On?



X

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 22:43

When you walk into the courtroom you really get the feeling that everything going on around you is surreal.



The high spot, Mr. Denktas attended the hearing. He listens most attentively and you have to wonder

what he makes of it all.



Me, it's the biggest load of tosh I have ever listened to. Today was a dilly. Pauline has written it up

on NCFP. How can one man, the Persecutor find so many ways to say the same things?



Geoff deserves a medal. I would have had him by the throat by now.



Next hearing tomorrow Tuesday 12th October at 2.00.

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 23:52

onlooker thank you for your comment, I think you maybe right, but do not think Geoff or myself can take it on at the moment far to much stress & worry with court & health more bad news for me this week so will have to put anything like that on hold. We will keep it in mind.

thanks

Mary x

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 06:53

Mary, Above all, your health and Geoff's must come first, nothing else even comes close.



If you could have seen Chris, trying to balance on the top of the work surface taking a photo of my

lens that came as standard with my pool lights to go with yesterday's article, it would have made you

laugh and cheered you up. I am just sorry Malcolm didnt print it. I wanted to laugh but I was frightened

he would fall off. The article is now on North Cyprus Free Press and the photo on facebook -

see Pauline Read's page. Readers - I'll bet you all have some too, I hope your builder doesn't decide to accuse

you of stealing them - what a nonsens and what a wast of public money!!!

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 09:20

Jesus, Mary & Joseph, how long is this farce going to go on for? Surely there must be some real crime for the legal authorities to deal with!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 10:56

Sorry folks, picture of the offending lenses are now at the foot of the article on NCFP.

DeaconB


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 13:34

The cost of running this ‘kangaroo court’ must run into many multiples of what the allegedly stolen few scraps of materials must have been worth. These people are not content with being morally bankrupt they seem prepared to financially bankrupt themselves too in the name of nepotism and bigotry. What goes around comes around and their turn is coming fast.

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 13:39

An overinflated costing of what Geoff is alleged to have stolen is 2000 TL. Geoff's 58th appearance in over two years is at 2 pm today. Whether he wins or loses, he will not be eligible for any compensation towards his legal bills. It is only a very determined person who would pursue the case, knowing how high the legal fees were going to be, whether found gulity or innocent.

Onlooker


Joined: 28/09/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 15:32

Hi Mary



Understood about your health and the need not to add any stress at present. However the offer of assistance with the website is there so please bear this in mind. Add a simple chronology, lots of pictures, and perhaps Pauline Read's articles and you have a substantial website that will attract lots of attention.



The Cyprus 44 forum is great for communication but newcomers to the story have to hunt for a summary of the facts of the case. For example, it took me some time to realise that Geoff Day has had his passport confiscated and held for two years by the TRNC authorities!!



The internet has enormous power in publicising corruption, bureaucratic bungling, and plain wrong-doing... this is why the authorities in China try to limit free expression via use of firewalls. In your case publicising the details will help not just yourself but every foreign resident or potential investor in North Cyprus.



Bear this in mind... I'll host the website from Kuwait, no risk to you

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 15:49

Next hearing, Tuesday, 19th October at 10 am.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
12/10/2010 20:09

Todays details will be on North Cyprus Free Press shortly, have just sent them in.



Unfortunately, Mr Denktas was unable to be with us today, he sent his apologies, he has a cold.

We sometimes forget his age, he is such a good person.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 11:55

Everyone please still support Geoff.



It would be foolish for Pauline to try to enter the court again and she most certainly would be turfed out

if she tried. More than anything she does not want to harm your case.



Please know that her thoughts, prayers , love and spirit will be with you on Tuesday Geoff and although

she cannot any longer be in the court, she will always, always support you.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 13:40

Pauline, I shall miss your witty narratives!

I'm sure all of us who cannot be there in person echo your sentiments.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 20:42

God bless you Geoff and give you strength and wisdom to face this ordeal. Right will prevail.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 22:38

My thoughts are with you both Geoff and Mary! keep strong, keep focused. keep united, let's hope the judge knows the difference between right and wrong?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 22:39

keep the faith Geoff xx

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 23:45

Lilli, (mess 203)



I do know you are yet another Robb victim! but I didn't realize you knew the "Women Against Criminals Motto"



"Keep the Faith"



X

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:03

we have to love, cant loose it. email me xxx, My friends lost 8 homes brtwen them and she is active in uk. I do not like to say too much on here about it, please love feel free to email me. guidoandliz@yahoo.co.uk . take care xxx

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 09:03

Geoff Day's 59th court appearance at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/10/20/geoff-day%e2%80%99s-59th-trnc-court-appearance-%e2%80%93-19th-october-2010/

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:12

Lilli (mess 205)



I lost one home, one husband, one life savings!





Please keep Geoff & Mary in your thoughts!



Sometimes we all have to:-



Keep the Bloody Faith that honesty will prevail!