How can we stop rubbish being tipped in a beauty spot?

flossie44


Joined: 05/03/2009
Posts: 223

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 21:14

We have a house above the village of Malatya, and recently the Belediyese have started tipping rubbish into the ravine just beyond the village. A lot is garden rubbish,but there are also non degradeable items as well. We have several concerns. The lorries are using a very narrow track which is unmade and turning round just after a small bridge.They will not reverse & when we come up to our house we have had some very hairy moments. The bridge, we feel may not be able to cope with all the heavy lorries, and if it collapses we could not get to our house.



There is also a huge fire risk. One match and it could all go up. We do not want a repeat of the last Malatya fire which caused massive damage. Finally they are ruining a beautiful area



We have been to the Belediyese offices who have denied it is them. However we have taken ptographs of the lorry which has their name on the side. In desperation we called in Cyprus Today but it is still going on.



What else can we do?



flossie

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 21:17

was this area always meant to be tip as far as the Belediyese are concerned if so you dont have any leg to stand on

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 21:50

the rubbish ,waste , what ever you want to call it has to go somewhere , what would you suggest they do with your waste ?

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 21:53

sound to me like a personal problem which should have been checked out earlier not an issue in hind site

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 21:58

"the rubbish ,waste , what ever you want to call it has to go somewhere , what would you suggest they do with your waste ? "



Errr, take it to the proper waste disposal site?



"sound to me like a personal problem which should have been checked out earlier not an issue in hind site"



You certainly know how to give helpful advice...

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 22:00

what more do you expect people to say not knowing the facts

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 22:08

how do you know it wasnt ear marked for landfill hector ? the bigger the population means more waste ? the waste has to go somewhere ? same in any country , eh maybe this is the correct waste disposal site now ?

flossie44


Joined: 05/03/2009
Posts: 223

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 22:11

This has only been used for rubbish recently and is brought in from the Alsancack area. it is not from us as we do not have a collection. I appreciate that rubbish has to go somewhere but this is a spot that has a beautiful deep gorge and where people picnic. It is not near our house so I am not a NIMBY but it is a fire risk as the ravine is full of trees which of course are very dry at this time of year. I just wanted some advice as quite a few people using this road are affected. It must also affect the village with large lorries trundling through.



flossie

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 22:19

Go back to the belidiyse with the photo of there lorry they then will probably tell you thats where they dump it now or they may stop doing it or try putting no tipping signs out.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 22:22

Following the floods I thought that it was illegal to build or dump waste in ravines as these form natural watercourses.??



Why does it not surprise me that the Belediyese even think that it is OK to dump rubbish illegally. The driver is probably too idle to drive to the proper tip !!

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
04/10/2010 23:59

The area in question used to be a tourist attraction, mainly pre 1974, but even after for a while. Now totally ruined because of several factors, one of which is the rubbish dumping. Yes it is a council lorry. I too have photographs. It has been reported to the Environmental Group, and was also reported by the Andersons, the travel writers. It seems that Alsancak does not care for the environment, or their lorry driver doesn't. Is this a lazy driver, or the policyh of the Mayor.



I think this should be taken to nice Mr Atakara, and/or the government/ politicians.



The rubbish dumped is ugly. It is an area fdor walkers, and so tourists go back with bad stories of the 'beauty of Cyprus'. And if anyone says 'Well, where do they dump it' - the answer is 'in the proper place, such as Dikmen, or somewhere hidden away from human eyes. Not too difficult, surely. And fire hazard it most surely is.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 00:01

Have you asked for 5 minutes with the Mayor who might at least explain why this is happening and perhaps do something about it if he accepts your concerns ? The Alsancak Mayor intervened when told that the Belediyese were acting improperly on a particular issue.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 00:07

we are noe gettin dump trucks several times a day lapta seaside area x

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 00:13

Offensive post removed . If you have something to say , you can say it without being so rude .





Simbas

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 00:31

rowlo, your the idiot. Lets just get them to dump it in your garden. There are numerous ways of disposing of rubbish. The easiest and cheapest is just to take it to a land fill area away from populated areas. A better way is to recycle, turn rubbish into bio-fuel. The council where I used to live in the UK do that. Obviously they can't do it with all the waste so they incinerate it. They have big powerful filters in the chimneys.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 00:38

Offensive post removed ,







Simbas

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 00:50

Rowlo, I find your comments offensive, out of order and unnecessary, and I am sure that the person who started this thread would feel the same. Whatever the price we may or may not have paid for our houses has little bearing on the lack of conc\ern for the environment by the local council.



The Welsh valleys are cleaner than here and yet property prices are about the same in some of the old mining towns. Civic pride is what is lacking here. And as for thinking that the rubbish dumped is that belonging to us - it is not - it is old tyres, old chairs, old settees, old steel boards, old matresses etc, etc, etc. Nothing like what is left for the bin men, so goodness only knows from whence it comes.



I repeat I find your terminology offensive and it is people such as you who are responsible for many people leaving the board . We want to clean up our areas, but I suggest you clean up your act!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 03:16

Maz

'Rowlo, I find your comments offensive, out of order and unnecessary'



Thats the whole point ,best form of defence is attack.If one can turn discussing a problem of litter and rubbish dumping in NC into an insulting slanging match then it deflects from the embarrassment of

trying to defend the indefensible.



Next line of defense is that its always someone elses fault.The brits buying houses, the Turkish mainlanders.the GC's,



£80,million was given in aid by Turkey this year,£1million would be enough educate people about clearing rubbish up, though I suspect as mature adults they know already ,and perhaps some of the largesse used up on Beamers and Mercs could be diverted to rubbish collection/ lorries and a proper waste disposal system.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 08:20

Msg's 14 & 16 edited for reason given

Simbas

richez


Joined: 30/06/2009
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 08:33

Start a "Keep TRNC Tidy" campaign it worked eventually in the UK. On a smaller scale get more litter bins around the streets. The rubbish on the beach at Lapta is getting beyond a joke. With the number of Efes bottles discarded from cars are we surprised fires start!.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 09:17

Trouble is ,you can educate people .ie "put trash in the correct place".What you can't do is instil a sense of "PRIDE" that unfortunately only comes from within! Without Self Pride NO amount of HAND-OUT'S will fix the un-fixable.......... Sad is't it ...

flossie44


Joined: 05/03/2009
Posts: 223

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 09:20

I believe that the mayor has been informed but dumping carries on. Sometimes they even block the road with it. I have taken photos but the lorry driver got wise and will now not let me near. I know the number of the lorry off by heart.



Someone mentioned floods. This area was devastated in this years floods and the road was blocked in several places. I cannot imagine what will happen if the ravine is blocked.



flossie

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 09:48

Intoroducing strict "Law" is OK to a point but will NOT influence the "unscrupulous"...Potentially blocking natural water" RUN OFF" channels, is as mentioned by "flossie44"is a serious concern ,and should be strictly monitored in order to overt a pending disaster.....But will the authorities listen ? I doubt it....

lindsay


Joined: 19/04/2009
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 10:21

ok ... one year ago.!!!!!! i observed the dumping of rubbish in that beautifull ravine ..[god knows what the berk who said was thinking ..well thev'e got to dump it somewhere .?????.dah... yeah ok mate [twat] how about in your front garden ????.. [what a pratt] i followed the beladeyesi ... dumping lorry back to a sub contractor [cannot remember their name ] but every day another lorry some with bela logo on the front , i went into their offices saw some official and said what i obseved .. he denied any such knowlege [liar] and promised to look into it , i spoke to marion stokes she said go to cyprus today with the photos . also she mentioned another official i cannot remember his name [sorry] then i saw the mr cenap.'s wife [cenap restaurant] alsanjack who i 'think' is the owner of that new massive villa going up right near the dumping area .. she sounded .mmmm horrified ? and said she would speak to her husband about it ? the dumping appeard to cease for a while .i returned to

lindsay


Joined: 19/04/2009
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 10:27

contunued .......uk ,but came back several months afterwards ... to see the ravine actually filling up .. with fridges . carpets . all kinds of totally non bio s...t.. fire risk ???? yes, i would say its a fire risk .. as when it catches air will come right through it and it will be an inferno ..all it needs is one ciggie.and it will be a disaster .. take your photos to cyprus today but tell the bely that is what you are going to do .. it might make front page .. its an awful situation , that they destroy their own beauty spots ... what could they be thinking .....????? but this is the trnc .. so par for their course

flossie44


Joined: 05/03/2009
Posts: 223

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 10:42

Been to Cyprus today and there was a full page spread. Nothing has changed. Bereft of ideas now. Hence posting on Cyprus 44.



flossie

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 10:46

Lindsay,I fully agree with you ,but being TRNC and therefore " Par for the coarse"is neither a reason or an excuse. until the people develop some" Brain" matter this antisocial behaviour will continue..........Perhaps a continuous stream of letters to Cyprus Today may trigger a response...............To me, the fact that they TRASH there own beauty spots does not make me think that change is in the air.



martind41

smwredd


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 260

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 12:25

I too live in Malatya and feel the same way about the rubbish being dumped near the waterfall. Surely there are many quarries which could be infilled and which are not near residential areas. Just a thought or even suggestion. I think this is what the original message wanted - some positive feedback and not continual backbiting.

hilda


Joined: 10/09/2009
Posts: 80

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 17:08

I really think you encourage rowlo by replies to him,Simbas has the right idea

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 00:27

How about some more newspaper articles? Trouble is not sure the government read the English ones - but maybe something in the Turkish speaking press? So in order to give good info, does anyone else have any other thoughts that can be passed on.



And to Hilda, not sure what you mean about Rowlo. Please explain. And why does Simbas have the right idea?

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 13:38

And the answer is Hilda????

kirton


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 60

Message Posted:
13/10/2010 12:50

I noticed the usual Belediyese collection point/tip near Sunny Lane school has gone, is there any other near Alsancak to take garden rubbish?

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 19:23

Msg 32.

Have you not heard of composting.

kirton


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 60

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 15:35

Yes Paddywack I have and usually do but we have pruned out trees this year and will not compost down.

Any othe ideas?