Will a solution to Cyprus problem be ever possible?

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 09:58

Latest news from the press indicate that it may well be impossible for TCs to live with the Greek Cypriots whho are still in constant denial of historic facts concerning Cyprus problem.

In a latest outburst, the Greek Cypriot media have been blasting their leader Dimitris Hristofyas for stating a well known fact by saying "both the motherlands (Greece and Turkiye) had invaded Cyprus in 1974!". He is being accused of making statements that are "wrong..., not true to history, and dangerous".



Not knowing history??? It is blatantly clearthat the Greek Cypriot schools down south have been teaching nothing about the events leading up to 1974 invasion of the island and do not have a clue to who was actually responsible for the developments. As far as they know - Cyprus problem started in 1974, with the arrival of the Turkish army(?) and their existence is perpetuating the current de facto situation.

How can anyone talk sense with anyone who is in permanent denial of their history?

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 10:06

Totally agree with you bigoz if only they could agree on what actually happened it would help I am sure, mind you I am sure 6xm will have something to say about this.

BrightonJim


Joined: 27/07/2010
Posts: 145

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 13:46

Of course you both are correct and the Greek Cypriots are either in denial or ignorant of the facts.

But what interests me is why did the GC leader make such a comment? It cannot have been a gaffe.

Did he feel there was no alternative but to come clean or is it a prelude to significant concessions?

Being a cynic I think he is simply attempting to demonstrate that he is a reasonable man, willing to make concessions so that he scores well in the blame game when/if the talks fail.

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 13:50

All the info that i have managed to unearth points to a two state solution.This,i have been told is on the horizon,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 15:14

http://www.google.co.uk/url?q= http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php%3Fid%3D64768&sa=X&ei=WRWrTJzkN4PIswa3kcGcBA&ved=0CCsQqQIoAjAA&usg=AFQjCNEn9JPOgotkh3Qwq7GQXJCPJ2AXPg

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 15:18

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=64768



Has to be two states,

Paul.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 15:57

Newlad, if you say that one more time my cousins it the south of the border will be having kittens. They are already upset about old Yero Muhtaro X accusing greece of naughty behavior during 74 pleasantries. And here you are predicting their worst possible nightmare.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 15:59

It has been on the horizon for a long time, the issue is timing, so we will have to wait and see.

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 17:16

Sorry Fred,

Just telling it as i see it panning out,

Paul.

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 18:38

slippery slope for the baboos

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
05/10/2010 19:41

msg 1... As I said before, " ut unique alieno illic ineo futurus illic est haud spero veritas"



It means;- When individuals "forget"there comments/past exist there can be no hope for truthfulness.....

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 20:30

"Do not despise the snake for having no horns"

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 21:27

bigoz message 1:



if the two sides could agree on what the cyprus problem is

...they'd have solved it long ago!



to the gc's of course it is how on earth to recover the north,

but to most cypriot turks their freedom and security



cyprus only managed independence with power-sharing from 1960-1963,

it probably could never have worked out anyway



as regards the spat between cristofias and his partners regarding "1974"

what today's nicosia e-newspaper calls "the de-facto partition of cyprus",

it may be quite fascinating but has little relevance to us here in the trnc...



expect his predictable "blame-gaming" to start up again in the near future



andre

Groucho



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Message Posted:
05/10/2010 22:53

Some would hold that the solution to the Cyprus problem has already happened...



As good as it gets? Maybe not - but it was a start.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 00:02

groucho:



yes, a solution from some points of view but I think the word is very loaded in a cyprus context

...it seems most unlikely there will be any sort of breakthrough with the south after all this time



as regards the questions of isolations and recognition:

the sanctions are already less ominous with the quieting of the "properties" ballyhoo,

but it will take time for the message to get through

and we will have to see if the eu is able to honour its promises about the direct trade regulation



about recognition, I feel it is important not to get too neurotic about all this,

kosovo, freed by outside military force, is barely half-recognised

and abkhasia, south ossetia, transdeniestria are internationally unrecognised but quite secure

taiwan is widely accepted but I don't fancy their chances in the very long term



meanwhile the whole world more or less runs on the basis of making the best of things



andre

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 00:13

The only time when TRNC will be a tranquil place to live in is when I'm made the Dictator Ruler with Ismet as my 'right-hand' man and 'cherry-pick' all the intelligentsia I need from whatever race they are from!



Richard

bigOz


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Message Posted:
06/10/2010 00:33

I agree with your points Andre! But what our neighbours do not seem to understand is that Cyprus has lost its true strategic value as it was 40-50 years ago, and many in Europe do not really give a toss about the current situation here. They have more serious issues with their economies and power struggles. The same applies for USA. Many GCs still believe Cyprus is the centre of the World and some mighty power such as EU, USA and even UN (?) will punish Turkey or help GCs remain the recognised reps of Cyprus forever.

Many arguments I had with GCs keep throwing at me past UN resolutions - as if UN had ever managed in its history to end a conflict! UN is ineffective and useless as a new born baby in protecting anyone! Yet, they believe that one sided and often baseless resolutions egged on by the Greek lobby in US will help them in future.

Well aware of all this, their leaders are preparing the ground for the storm! Lifting of the embargoes & creation of Federal states of Cypus!

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 02:58

The greeks will always persecute the Turks as they did in the past so the Turks would be unwise to get involved in any "solution".

The island is strategically important to Turkey - which is why they have a good number of troops stationed there. Their protection of the TCs is secondary to their own defence .

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 05:18

From the question the solution to the Cyprus problem was sorted in 74.

Since and the improved situation of the North is heavily weighted with the worlds resolve with Turkey.

Turkish Cypriots breathing some breath of pottential release from Embargoe.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 08:10

The TRNC should perhaps become an" OFFICIAL "Turkish Dependency on similar lines to that which the UK has with the Channel Islands , who,although not members of the EU enjoy a "SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP" with same.......

BrightonJim


Joined: 27/07/2010
Posts: 145

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 10:03

I agree totally with Big Oz.

The GCs lost the high ground when they threw out the Annan plan.

Since then Turkey's importance to the West has waxed whilst that of Greece has waned. The USA in particular and most of the Western powers in general see Turkey as an important strategic and economic ally and they are not going to allow what they perceive to be a minor local difficulty prejudice that relationship.

I believe that a two state solution will be thrust upon the GCs and that their President's recent admission of GC culpability in the 1974 crisis was an initial move to prepare the ground and soften the blow for those who still consider GC hegemony in the North to be their birthright.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
06/10/2010 10:29

Brighton Jim........Very well said I agree completely,I believe the "play" has commenced and ended. All that is left is for the Curtains to be rolled back to reveal it's players to the ordinance .........

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
06/10/2010 23:34

martin message 20:



a dependency? think we've been there before,

north cyprus was a turkish federated state 1974-1983



...there seems to be nothing new under the east-med sun:

turkey applies to join the "european common market" 1959

and

power-sharing "agreed for cyprus" but lasted only 1960-1963

and

land-for-peace in "annan proposals" 1974, now withdrawn



andre

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
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Message Posted:
06/10/2010 23:48

brighton jim message 21:



surely you mean lost the "moral high ground" from 1974?



well yes to some extent...



and what they have left is an assemblage of totally unenforceable resolutions,

and a raft of worthy-sounding but unrealistic declarations by outside agencies



I'd be feeling quite dispirited if I was in their shoes



andre

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
07/10/2010 00:46

Re message one....NO

BrightonJim


Joined: 27/07/2010
Posts: 145

Message Posted:
07/10/2010 10:11

Yes Andre, they have lost the the moral high ground.

I suspect that in due course the thinking GCs will wish that they had not rejected the Annan Plan for they are unlikely to get such a good deal from the current talks.

C'est la vie!