14 Barricades from Famagusta to Lefka

elko2



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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 22:28

Mustafa Bashman, a successful businessman, was talking about his life on television a few nights ago. They import well known brands like Avon, Colgate, Nike etc and they are also owners of Tango Budha in Girne. Anyway, he was talking about the difficulties they had from 1963 to 1974. He would fill his van with goods and start off from Famagusta early in the morning. He had to negotiate through 14 Greek Cypriot check-points. At some points he had to unload and load again, at some points the police poked rods into sacks and boxes. The real aim was harassment rather than a genuine search for dangerous products. It would be too late by the time he got to Lefka and would have to stay the night there. It was a good reminder of what the Turkish Cypriots endured between 1963 to 1974 in the hands of Greek Cytpriots. This is a good reminder to those who believe that the Cyprus Problem began in 1974.

ismet

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 00:16

Good post Ismet and thank you. We just have no idea how bad those years were.

I was here in 56 with my parents and brother. My father was in the British Army. We lived in the Famagusta area but I am not sure where exactly.

I only remember nice things at the age of 6 like oranges and lemons on the trees, Sunday picnic outings in army trucks to Kyrenia beaches, possibly Alagadi. I remember those trips up and over the mountains on narrow roads. I know my father was working mainly in Nicosia on peace keeping duties. I still have my Cyprus/British passport from that time.

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 00:31

Great post here ismet, I have heard some horrible stories...........

littlejohn


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 01:48

And they will continue - if they ever again get the upper hand !!

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 01:51

elko ...the reason behind this post is ..............................





are you trying to raise tensions between people ???????

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 01:54

http://bigpeace.com/jhanson/2010/08/22/turkey-uses-chemical-weapons-to-kill-kurds/

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 01:56

sorry elko to bring you up to date ..





present day not 30 years ago ..........

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:00

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/report-turkey-used-chemical-weapons-to-kill-kurdish-rebels-1.307694

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:01

naplam thought it was banned ...???





http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/10/newsid_3037000/3037898.stm

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:07

Hmmm thought this discussion was about the Turkish Cypriots and the Greek Cypriots in Turkey during the years 1963 1974. At that time Turkey had not intervened or had much of a part to play in this. So where are you going with a different conflict, in a different place, with different parties and a different time. Stop going off thread APC and go start a new one about that topic.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:07

most helpfull member ,is this a friend of yours............????





http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100924074857AAo66eE

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:16

I wonder if this is an enemy of yours most helpful member.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:25

my question is in msg 5 , the point of the post , the reason i posted FACTS is because my neighbour/friend is a liar , i don't post his views on a public forum ...........

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:29

So Elko is your neighbour/friend and is a liar?

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:37

elko , he imported nike???





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike,_Inc.





moons draw your own conclusions.............

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:42

http://www.basmankardesler.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=1&lang=en

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:43

I read it but can't see the connection at all, please explain.

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:48

Oh and http://www.basmankardesler.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=1〈=en did not work.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:49

sorry i will dumb it down and quote for you ......



"officially became Nike, Inc. in 1978. "



i will type slowly for you ...h o w c o u l d some one import a product that did not exist ???????????



"Avon, Colgate, Nike etc and they are also owners of Tango Budha in Girne. Anyway, he was talking about the difficulties they had from 1963 to 1974" (elko quote)

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:54

Yeah so "Founded January 1964 as Blue Ribbon Sports 1978 as Nike, Inc.[1]" after all this time you explain what you are going on about. Why did you not say that in the first place. Anyway I am sure that Elko used the new name Nike that we know and understand as a top product rather than confuse us with Blue Ribbon Sports.



Think it's time for me to go to bed, but if I can't sleep I will get up to continue the discussion - goodnight.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 02:55

msg 18 ,,, exactly my point none of his/their websites work .............



but trust him ....maybe he is selling property now ......



i want some pre -63 nikes ........



email -Naive@stupid.live.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 03:33

msg 10 read msg 9..........

proger1



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 03:35

apc, I normally enjoy some of your posts but I think you are struggling to find whatever you can to ridicule the information and elko for posting it. He states that he IS a successfull business man who imports such things as Nike, he does not say that he imported them between 63 and 74.

I might be reading the wrong thing into the post but I believe he is just trying to point out that there were difficulties being a TC even before the 1974 date that everyone talks about and if the island returns to the situation it was then it may return to the same problems.

I found it interesting, thank you. I would have asked more about it but that might cause more upset to others so I will leave it as is.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 03:58

proger ,, what i was trying to say "two sides to every story" but i got involved in a side track ......



people who agrue should know their facts ........



(but his mates website don't work)'' dodgy nikes ????? lol



all the best off now........

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 04:32

msg 22 read msg 9



"Vicious fighting



The air raids were in response to vicious fighting which has been raging for the last three days around the Turkish Cypriot village of Kokkina.



A UN spokesman said that Turkish Cypriots had lost all villages in the area apart from Kokkina to the Greek Cypriots.



Now, he said, there were 200 women and children still in Kokkina and refusing to be moved to safety by the UN. "



msg 24 "dodgy nikes ????? lol " - No not dodgy Nikes - "Founded January 1964 as Blue Ribbon Sports" Don't you think you are being just a little bit pedantic over the change of name and making this the excuse to go totally off topic.



I have no idea if Mustafa Bashman is a mate of Elko's or not (nor do I care). I have no idea if Mustafa Bashman's site is down or even if the link you gave is correct (nor do I care). I was very interested in the content of message 1 and so were a couple of others. Then you come in lambasting the post and talking of current and unre

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 04:39

cont.

and talking of current and unrelated events. You then go on to call Elko a liar for mention Nike in the post as they did not exist at that time.



I agree on one thing "people who agrue should know their facts ........ " and stick to the topic being discussed.

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 04:41

Proger I agree with you that he was talking about products he imports today.

elko2



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 10:02

Oh dear dear, I have inadvertently upset our friend apc2010, or is it the old friend pike? It does not matter.

The links to the same story in msgs. 6 and 8 have a question mark in the heading and goes on to comment starting with "...if this is true..." The same old propaganda machine trying to sling some mud and hope some sticks. What I do know for sure is that in the past the west supplied chemical weapons to our old friend Huseyin Saddam and killed thousands of Kurds in the villages in north Iraq. I expect the pictures used came from this incident. Anyway, it has nothing to do with my post.



As far as apc2010 is concerned the Cyprus problem began in 1974. Not only apc2010 but the whole Greek Cypriot and Greek propaganda machine is geared to this. So any evidence to the contrary proves how big liers they are and of course this upsets them. Sorry mate, don't let the truth interferre with your propaganda.



Mustafa Bashman is not a personal friend but

ctd.

elko2



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 10:10

his now deceased older brother Salih Bashman was a personal friend and indeed as an engineer I helped him set up production facilities for "Smarties" and talcum powder in Famagusta about twenty years ago. There is no reason for not believing the truth about the 14 barricades from Famagusta to Lefka. Indeed in those years my father as a pensioner from government service was working for the local cooperative bank in Lefka and as a trusted member he used to take money between Nicosia and Lefka every Friday. I was in UK in those years but I remember my father complaining to me when I saw him that an hour's journey normally took four hours because of the barricades and sometimes the young Greek Cypriot police would act very disrestpectfully towards my father who was old enough to be his grandfather.



About the bombing of Bayraktar mosque in the Greek quarter of Nicosia. I know this mosque very well and as students we were taken there every Friday. There are some allegations

ctd.

elko2



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 10:20

that it was Denktash who had it bombed. I will not put it past him, I think Mr. Denktash is capable of doing it but we will never know the truth. I think during the second WW the British and the Americans torpedoed their own ship in Canadian waters in order to get Canada involved in the war. I believe that the Turkish General was referring to such actions and gave the bombing of the mosque as an example but he could not possibly know the true facts of the case.



The acquision of Nike by Bashman brothers is a recent event. According to Mustafa Bashman, it was Nike who approached them and they sent their own architecht to oversee the construction of the Nike Building just opposite the big roundabout when entering Nicosia from Girne with the big Nike sign on the wall. I think Greek Cypriot schools should consider seriously to have lessons in "comprehension" as well and teach them not to jump to conclusions.

ismet

elko2



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 10:32

I forgot to mention the napalm bombs mentioned in msg. 9 above. In those days Greek Cypriot and Greek armies were determined to capture the Erenkoy area which was the only remaining connection of the Turkish Cypriots with the sea. The poorly armed Turkish Cypriots retreated to a very small enclave and they were about to be overrun completely and possibly face total annihilation when the Turkish Jets intervened and stopped the onslaught of the enemy. It was a last minute and last resort action and it was well deserved.

ismet

shrimp


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 10:55

messae to Julia Moon.... did you live at 5 mile point by any chance....we too were in Cyrus at that time and remember too camping on the beach, the pomegrnate trees, and picking wild mushrooms on the waddy, I wonder if our families knew each other although sadly my father died shortly before we were due to go back for another three year stint.....whilst in England we lived at Wood House Eves in the Midlands

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 11:08

Hey shrimp I have no idea where we were living then, nor where 5 mile point is. My Father was in the Grenadier Guards Battalion II. I have not got my Fathers Army book to hand but I think after Cyprus we were stationed at Brookwood in Surrey and then went off to Germany. I do remember arriving in Cyprus by ship in very rough weather. We as small children were thrown from the ship steps to the landing boats I remember being petrified.

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 11:11

Way to go Elko I love your posts.

shrimp


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 11:21

similar memories from all those years ago, we too set sail from Liverpool docks and the journey was very rough indeed. We were the ony family on board as it was a cargo ship, and after our parents had put us to bed the crew used to come and take us back down to the kitchens for a couple of hours in the evening and let us make cakes and biscuits....

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 11:33

I think there were far more families on our ship, I remember not liking the food much but what I ate I managed to keep down. Everyone else was being sick. So funny.

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 11:45

Hey Shrimp look what I found. http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/cyprusunits.html

2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards outside Limmassol June 1958 then on 4 hour standby outside Nicosia airport to go to Kartoum in the Sudan stood down when trouble ceased. Commanding officer lt.co Bowes Lyons.

shrimp


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 11:59

Hi Juliamoons, thanks for this I will have a good thumb through when I have more time......did you dad have a morris minor by any chance????????

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 12:07

No he never had a car. When he left the Army we settled in Langley, Bucks and he worked for Ford Motor Co. He was saving up to buy a car, built the garage. But he died quiet early and did not realise his dream. He was a Yorkshire man and had 11 siblings.

Marisa


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 12:21

Thank you Ismaet for your post, it is always a pleasure to read them !

elko2



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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 13:24

Believe it or not I enjoy writing them and especially replying to some fanatics

Maybe its about time I pay another visit to my favourite lunatic assylum, of course you all know the place. It is full of professors, lecturers, instructors etc.

ismet

breezyboy


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Message Posted:
12/10/2010 13:33

perhaps A***2010 was only born in 1974 and thinks that was when the world began.





Post edited for foul language. ismet.

zimmer9


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 06:46

I arrived in Cyprus in 1953 age 10 as My father was posted to 2 Wireless Regt at Ayios Nicholaos (4 mile Point) working at the communications compound. Lived in Spiridonas st Famag for a while then moved to nice big residence nr Karaolis camp, finally moved to the married quarters at 4 Mile Point, 6 Seaforth rd. Finished my primary school at Ayios Nicholas Primary then went to grammar school at karaolis, left to go to King Richard 3rd boarding school at Dhekelia when it opened in 1957 until end of 1959 when joined the RAF Boy Entrants. It was an unbelievable place to grow up even during the troubles, we used to wander everywhere, I spent a lot of time in the Turkish old city as we knew it ,always felt safe there as being a red head was always given drinks and food by the inhabitants, I remember one very kind family the father Femi Ahmet used to pick me up and drive me to see my parents when they were in the BMH Dhekelia and they'd cook me dinners every time I visited.M Handley

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 08:18

msg 30

elco2 quote "I think Mr. Denktash is capable of doing it but we will never know the truth"

he admit that a few years back elco. why you dont believe him.





"The poorly armed Turkish Cypriots"



10000 fully armed men with nato equipment and trained from TR officers ..............and the national Guard or paramlitary forces with ww2 equipment.



and Im not even a fanatic Elco2

elko2



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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 08:30

msg. 45

Tracer,

We have a saying in Turkish:

"If you tell a lie forty times you begin to believe it even yourself". How true!!!

Denktash never admitted to such a thing, so it remains an allegation.



Let me give you first hand information about the arms of Turkish Cypriots. I arrived in Cyprus for a holiday on Saturday 13th July 1974. Monday 15th July, Makarios was overthrown by Greek Junta and their crony Samson. Wednesday 17th July I joined the local "army" and began training with 16 year olds. Left right, left right kind of training!!. Then Saturday 20th July we were given some arms, you know what? I had to share a shotgun with a 16 year old. Now I know that a shotgun is an advanced Nato weapon. Thank you tracer

ismet

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 08:41

RE msg 31, ismet: (...) I forgot to mention the napalm bombs mentioned in msg. 9 above. In those days Greek Cypriot and Greek armies were determined to capture the Erenkoy area which was the only remaining connection of the Turkish Cypriots with the sea. The poorly armed Turkish Cypriots retreated to a very small enclave and they were about to be overrun completely and possibly face total annihilation when the Turkish Jets intervened and stopped the onslaught of the enemy. It was a last minute and last resort action and it was well deserved. ismet (...)

▶ Some C44 readers may not be familiar with the heroic fighting of the Cypriot Turks in Erenköy. That's why I upload a map which I made for a book, by one of the fighters, about this episode (pre-TRNC). The map is in the Turkish language, but easy to understand. I'm sure Ismet can answer any questions.

▶ [ http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Erenkoy_map_web.jpg ].

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 10:48

In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists (the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus, Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots promptly burned out a neighboring district of Greek shops and homes, in what was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."





A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974 invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a campaign of extermination and eviction that killed or wounted th

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 10:49

A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974 invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a campaign of extermination and eviction that killed or wounted thousands and drove a frightening percentage of Turkish Cypriots into besieged enclaves"



This claim has been refuted by findings of impartial sources such as the UN Secretary General's report No.S/5950,para.142 which confirms that as a result of the brief but turbulent period of hostilities between Greek and Turkish-Cypriot extremists from Dec 21,1963 to June 8,1964,a total of 43 Greek Cypriots and 232 Turkish Cypriots are missing and presumed dead.Clearly,this was no "campaign of extermination"

AeriaBar


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 21:38

The Akritas Plan



http://web.archive.org/web/20050925031600/cyprus-conflict.net/akritas_plan.htm

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/12/2010 22:59

According to elko you said that lie more than 40 times is getting boring now.

famagusta99


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Message Posted:
30/12/2010 03:04

Tracer, msg#47: I don´t think you can take Christopher Hitchens as a "truth" witness on anything. He is a man with an agenda. (Many different agendas, in fact.)



And yes: he was always a very entertaining writer, but after he strongly supported Bush/Blair in the Iraq-invasion, I didn´t think anyone took Hitchens views seriously anymore? Btw, Hitchens was also married to a GC-lady in his day.

tracer


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Message Posted:
30/12/2010 08:19

msg 51



Nobody tells the truth famagusta99 everybody lies ,both sides ,the "motherlands" and everybody else ,and the man one street is the only one who holds the whole burden .



SINS OF THE FATHERS..................TORMENT THE CHILDREN .