Why the Silent Vigil was refused-like a bad joke

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 21:31

I have just read the news item in Kibris newspaper dated 12th October 2010. It says that permission for the silent vigil was refused by the District Officer of Nicosia in order not to break the constitution and based his decision on Clause 32 of the constitution:

"Right to Gather and Protest March. The citizens have a right without prior permission to gather and take part in a protest march without arms and violence. This right can be limited by law in favour of public law and order. "

So it clearly means that those who are not citizens must obtain permission before doing so. It does not mean that giving such a permission would be against the constitution as claimed by the district Officer. Are they completely devoid of any legal notion or are they playing silly games? In my opinion the latter is the case. Shame on them. In any case, I would not even classify a silent vigil as a gathering.

ismet

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 02:05

as you have stated before , the law is based on british , although i do not agree with the ruling ...

please read from a british definition;;;;;;



gathering noun /ˈgæð.ər.ɪŋ//-ɚ-/ n [C]

a party or a meeting when many people come together as a group.....

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 06:13

Many people? Judging by the number who turned up for the second auction, and those who are turning up to support Geoff Day, I doubt there would have been 'many' turn up for the silent, candle lit vigil.

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 06:32

there is no justice in trnc for foreigners.only the persecution of the law by those who weild the power of the law.



JUstice is not blind she is abused in trnc



SHAME ON THOSE IN POWER.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 07:53

What we need is some friendly natives... (citizens) who are enlightened enough to know that the ex-pat community provides a large fillip to the TRNC's economy to apply for a vigil on their behalf.... Then let's see the district officer refuse!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 08:24

Groucho,

The citizens do not need any permission.

I like your suggestion. Count me in. Let us have a minimum of ten. To make it more meaningfull let Pauline do the announcement when we are ready. How about that?

ismet

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:02

Count me in!

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:06

I like the fact that it is Elko calling foir this. He is a citizen so should be m0re hard to arrest.

Well done Elko... we is with you/

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:13

Elko,



All power to your elbow, I'm sure Pauline would be glad of your support!



Very well done!!!!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:48

elko2/msg 1: 'Are they completely devoid of any legal notion or are they playing silly games? In my opinion the latter is the case.'



Might you be be crediting 'them' with too much intelligence by any chance?!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:01

Ten,

It does not take much intelligence to play the silly buggers. Pardon the expression!

Anyway, how many are we now?

ismet

sibelle

yenibob

So three so far, six to go. I counted sibelle as two because she talks too much





ismet

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:57

natalie will be there without doubt

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:34

So far we have:-



ismet,



sibelle,



yenibob,



natalie,



I really wish I could be there with you! and I know Pauline would like to be included



So Ismet we need 5 more!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:38

Can we assume that natalie and yenibob have TRNC citizenship?

ismet

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:46

RE msg 14, elko2: Some six years ago I honestly hoped to qualify one day as a TRNC citizen. However, the laws and regulations changed so many times that luckily I lost track of the (non-)possibilities. Thank Allah and all Prophets - may they all rest in Heavenly Peace - and may they all never be forced to go to TRNC.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 22:48

Just a thought Ismet,



How about AJ? or perhaps freedom of speech is to much for him? and what about Tenakoutou? who knows exactly what's going on!



Would they stand silently with a candle in the TRNC?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:13

TRNCvictim

Re posting 16:

'How about AJ? or perhaps freedom of speech is to much for him?'



What has a candle light vigil got to do with free speech?

You have had your free speech on this board and I can guarantee it has been read by at least 2 members of the government. So what is your problem with me?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:21

Elko2 (mess 14)



So Ismet are you saying that to stand silently with a candle you have to have TRNC citizenship? sometimes you speak in riddles!



Any TC in the UK can "Protest" without any interference from anyone as "Embargoed" do on a regular basis!



A Free Society which includes free speech should be open to all EU Country's that accept EU money!



If the TRNC doesn't want EU Money, and therefore wants to become a closed society, please tell your Government not to accept EU money any more!



Then they can become what they want, without any interference from EU Citizens who have continually given to a corrupt Government!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:24

RE msg 17, AJ: (...) I can guarantee it has been read by at least 2 members of the government. (...)

=> I wish the 2 members of the government (acquaintances of yours?) would read about ALL the problems mentioned earlier on this board (IN THE PAST Y-E-A-R-S, I mean). And DO something about it for the poor, innocent people who were cheated and are having a very bad time.

P.S. AJ, this is the second time today you ask or suggest board members to be careful, because TRNC government etc. You don't belong to the British community anymore? If so: say it. And find another board, if I may suggest so.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:57

AJ (mess 17)



I have tried talking to more than two TRNC Government Ministers for a long time, what they see on this board is of little relevance to them!



My problem with you is that you try to frighten victims, and I don't understand why? perhaps you can enlighten me?



Freedom of speech is paramount in any civilized Country, if you don't have the freedom to speak or hold a silent candle light vigil, or report what's happened in a courtroom without being arrested, and your computer confiscated has mean you live in a closed secular environment, and long term that isn't healthy for any Country, or maybe you like the thought that no-one honest and straight talking can survive in the corrupt Country you love so much?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 00:14

TRNCvictim

'My problem with you is that you try to frighten victims, and I don't understand why? perhaps you can enlighten me?'



I certainly am not trying frighten victims, all I am trying to do is make them aware of the situation that exists with this board. Everyone should be aware of all information that is available and that is what I am trying to do. To be honest I do not care one iota what anyone does with the information that I have provided but I have provided it as a service to anyone that is interested. Just get on with it as it certainly does not interest me any more. You are starting to alienate members and I for one now will not support your cause as I have done in the past.

Enjoy your evening

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 00:15

msg. 18

TRNCvictim,

If you read msgs. 5 and 6 again you will see that the suggestion was to hold a silent candle lit vigil by TRNC citizens who do not need any permission from any authority according to the constitution of TRNC. I hope that clears up the "riddle" for you

ismet

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 00:36

You'll all be deemed 'Agent Provocateurs' and still end 'banged up'! Burma springs to mind!



Richard

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 00:55

AJ (mess 21)



You have made it very plain that you don't care one iota!



Just what information have you provided? that two members of the Government read this board? so what? what your reasons are for frightening anyone. who knows? and if it doesn't interest you anymore, then your best bet is to refrain from posting!



Ismet (mess 22)



So your saying that only SOME TRNC citizens can hold a silent candle lite vigil, just the ones who do not need any permissions from any authority according to the constitution of the TRNC?



Tell you what Ismet the constitution of the TRNC needs a lot of cleaning up not clearing up, then maybe riddles won't need to be deciphered by any honest citizens of any Country?



I have stood side by side with TC's in London who don't have UK citizenship, they taught me about the "black wreath" and it's meaning, they didn't need any permission to stand with me, that's what I call a free Country!

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 01:32

is the "trnc" a country were you can express your views freely or is it a place where posts they don't like are restricted .........







because a bit like this forum .............



5. Freedom of Speech

We respect every member's right to post his/her opinions," on all issues except ones questioning the legality of TRNC."

If you do not accept this rule, do not join to the board.

Any violations of this rule will result in immediate banning of your account.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 01:40

Msg 24

This is not the UK.

There are two constitutions which are still on the statute books and conflict with each other which enables the legal profession a financial gold mine by arguing a never ending saga in court, bouncing one off against the other; the British one, 1960 and the TRNC one 1983. Many, if not all international treaties were signed up too by Rauf Denktas on behalf of the TRNC, which were accepted but not ratified as the place does not exist! This includes the bill of 'UN Human Rights', which is the interesting one concerning the 'racial discrimination' clauses, which are being contemptuously and openly violated without remorse or feelings by the current Government.







Richard

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 02:34

msg 24 trn victim, all t/c s now are eu citizens and can live/work in the uk .........

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 09:06

TRNCvictim/Msg 16: 'and what about Tenakoutou? who knows exactly what's going on! Would they stand silently with a candle in the TRNC?'



I stood at the last two auctions and made made my views known to many who didn't really have a grasp of the situation. Anybody's excuse for being at those two assemblies could have been that he/she was a bidder - not so with a public assembly of foreigners for any other reason, as 'elko2' has intimated. As a 'temporary resident' and a 'non-citizen', unless permission was to be expressly given for a 'candlelight vigil', or whatever, I would not be prepared to 'put my neck on the chopping block' and risk arrest, or deportation. My wife and I have already lost over half our life savings due to the inadequacies of the TRNC legal system - the miscarriage of justice was horrendous. So, I am not prepared to risk losing the only home we have because of my well founded mistrust of the 'mish-mash' that is purported to be a 'Constitution'.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 10:57

msg. 24

TRNCvictim,

You wrote "So your saying that only SOME TRNC citizens can hold a silent candle lite vigil, just the ones who do not need any permissions from any authority according to the constitution of the TRNC?"

No, not some, ALL TRNC citizens can demonstrate peacefully without a need for permission. TRNC citizen means thoe who hold TRNC id cards.



Different countries have different laws and to me this is normal because they all have different circumstances. A British citizen can enter TRNC without a visa but a TRNC citizen requires a visa unless they have another citizenship as well like ROC. A TRNC citizen can demonstrate in UK without prior permission and can also buy a house but in TRNC you need a permission on both occasions. The real proıblem here is not really the requirement for a permission but the way they are handled. The refusal of permission for a silent protest in front of the Turkish Embassy is ridiculous. The requirement of PTP linked with a specific villa is again ridiculous.



Now about the Human Rights issue. Is it really a human right abuse if permission is rquired for a demonstration? I don't think so but I will be interested to read the relevant paragraph and be enlightened on the subject. We live and learn.

ismet

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 11:39

Ismet



No it's not a human right issue to have to ask for permission to silently hold a candle, however I think it is a Human Right issue if that permission is refused!