Crap internet connection ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 19:59

Use these two utilities from the net :



http://www.speedtest.net/



Test and save your test results... then you can view them as a spreadsheet - if you have a beef with your ISP..





Back it up with:



http://www.pingtest.net/



What is Pingtest.net?



Use Pingtest.net to determine the quality of your broadband Internet connection. Streaming media, voice, video communications, and online gaming require more than just raw speed. Test your connection now to get your Pingtest.net rating and share the result with others!



I just got 30ms, 0% packet loss, and 1ms jitter - my connection rated A



What's YOUR result..?

PaulW



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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:18

Mark, my results were:-

38ms, 0% packet loss, 7ms jitter, A rated.

Have not got a clue what any of that means

apc2010


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:20

msg 2, you have too much time on your hands............

PaulW



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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:22

msg 3, I know...............

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:24

25ms, 0% packet loss, 1 ms jitter, A rated. Using BTBroadband.

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:40

20ms 0 packet loss 3ms jitter A rated tele west

ballymurphy


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:41

My results are Ping; 210, Jitter ; 83, Packets sent ; Failed Rated ;D.

Well it is the TRNC.

Goonerboy


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:46

63, 4, 22 c

Tootie


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:51

0 packet loss, 161ms ping, 45 jitter.

[KUZEY KIBRIS TURKCELL 3G USB]

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 22:05

Paul, Quarmby and Catalkoykid [ AyiosEpiktitoskid is too much of a mouthful ;) ]... those are great readings..



BallyMurphy, Goonerboy and (sort of) Tootie .. could do better !!



Tootie, what rating did you get?



Paul .. WHY did you ask ?..



Jitter : In the context of computer networks, the term jitter is often used as a measure of the variability over time of the packet latency across a network. A network with constant latency has no variation (or jitter).



No Jitter is best ! ')

Goonerboy


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 22:08

6m's, who are you currently with then?

arrry



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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 23:11

Ping 42 ms .....Jitter 1ms ..........BT Broadband Warminster Wiltshire.....Grade A very good !!

Yinglis


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 23:18

Just arrived & looking for a simple solution to hooking up to uk TV!!! ha ha TV coming next week in container hopefully !!

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 23:37

http://www.pingtest.net/result/26247658.png



Thats while im also uploading to youtube at the same time

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 23:56

http://www.pingtest.net/result/26248535.png





http://www.speedtest.net/result/994287085.png

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 10:07

catalkoykid re msg 15



You win the prize ( so far) for the best quality connection



zerochlor re msg 14



For a true representation of your connection quality, you can't be downloading / uploading anything else ! ;)





Goonerboy re msg 11:



I'm with SKY AND BT for ADSL



I have a step-son who is an IT nerd and so I keep MY connection separate ( SKY)..

any way the BT equipment isn't as modern/ fast as SKY's..SKY have fitted their own kit in the BT exchange.



These are my results:



SKY:

http://www.pingtest.net/result/26270446.png





If you want to post your results, simply copy the 'direct link' under your results on the site



I won't even bother trying BT.. As the lad is using his PC to chat via voIP - it would give unrealistic results.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 10:19

FYI: This is the speedtest result from SKY ADSL:



http://www.speedtest.net/result/994673739.png - that's SLOW.. !



Currently getting 85Mbs Down and 79Mbs UP, 2 ms ping from my 100bit fibre connection at work !

essexdan


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Posts: 70

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 10:30

Ping: 17ms

Packet Loss: 0

Jitter: 2ms

Line Quality: A

Virgin Media

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 10:43

Essex Dan just went to No1, re ping time, but watch that jitter... ;)

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 10:54

Hello Border me ole mate, actually kev got it wrong we are with Virgin, used to be telewest. hope all is well with you both.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:17

Hi Dee,



All is good, thanks ;)

YFred


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:20

Is there a way of blocking your IP address from showing when you are on line?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:29

You can use an prog to hide your ip



1/ e.g



http://www.hideyouripaddress.net/?gclid=CKCimdv-26QCFdD92AodIw_aKg



Tells me that ( before) I use it I'm in Harlow, Essex.. which is the opposite side of the country - so not exactly a good start - this prog uses a Proxy Server - to spoof your location



2/ Use a VPN .. that will also show you are somewhere else - I think more robust / reliable



downsides.. if you are SUPPOSED to look like you are somewhere, and don't you might find access to internet banking ( or similar) is blocked !

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:30

message 16 mmmmmm



here it is this morning



http://www.pingtest.net/result/26272964.png

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:32

Hi ZC,



better, but still pretty AWFUL quality .. :(



This is supposed to be one of the 'better' ISPs ?

AndyP



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Posts: 517

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:33

Packet Loss = 0%

Ping = 295ms

Jitter = 15ms

Grade = D



This is on KKTCELL 3g. Located in Paralimini (South Side). Using 3g phone stuck to the end of a 5m fishing pole so it can go above roof of the flat. It works and is by far the cheapest option for 3g internet over this side.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:35

Hey Andy



What is it like using 3G via MTM or Cyta ? ! ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:36

If *I* lived in Bogaz(i) I'd have a MTM/ CYTA mobile as you get a CRACKING signal from the 'rump' RoC side and international calls are FAR cheaper to make / receive !

AndyP



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:38

Hi mmmmmmm



I have never tried with them. When I asked about cost i fell over. Went to Cyta and the cheapest option that had for Pay as You go was 800mb = 30 euro a month. They having a laugh or what!!! I get 4gb for that using Turkcell.



I am sure contract prices are better but that didnot suit my plans.

LordJim


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:38

Here in trnc http://www.pingtest.net/result/20670031.png ping 35 ms jitter 6ms packet loss 0%

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:41

and now a speed test



http://www.speedtest.net/result/994739692.png

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:44

mmmmmm - have you given users enough information before they do these tests so that a comparison of the results proves or, disproves anything:-

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:47

re 29



http://www.mtn.com.cy/index.cfm/id/51/lang/english/dataservices



YES.. I, too, think the pay as you go option ( 250 Mb) is a joke.. but the contact 5 GB .. @19 Euro / month looks better - there's even a 25Gb/ month one !



But the call charges are MUCH less for calling off island



LordJim

re 30



It seems you hold the 'TRNC' gold medal - at the mo.. Is that a 3G mobile data connection on a dongle ?

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:47

i do my speed test to london not turkey

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:49

Hi Dave, yes and others are doing it to Turkey, makes it all a bit of a waste of time really

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:50

Some have got VPNs connected, there's different times of day etc. etc. You can compare you own results over a period of time, but you can't compare them with other peoples.

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:51

well picked up paul.



mmmmm, to get a good guide on speed test,maybe all who try should test on the london server.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:56

re 35



Would you like to explain what ISN'T a waste of time.. ?! For example, pingtest chooses the optimum server to test based on your location / ISP..



In the meantime.. a little light reading about the results of your pingtest and what A-D grades mean..



http://www.pingtest.net/learn.php



A: An excellent result! Expect all Internet applications to work very well assuming you have sufficient bandwidth.





B: Very good! Your connection should work well for any Internet application. Some online games may not perform optimally.



C: Acceptable. Your VoIP [ e.g SKYPE ] quality will suffer some, and you will have a disadvantage in many online games. Most streaming media will be fine. You should try testing again to another server close to you.



D: Concerning. Most online applications will not perform well but should function in some capacity. Try testing to other servers to verify the result. You might need to contact your ISP for help.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 11:56

A true test would be for some people to volunteer to test my slingbox TV set up in the different areas of NC at the same time of night (peak time). Is anyone willing?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:02

SO, what are you tring to prove, who is closest to the machine that they are pinging???

Chicken


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:07

Hi Mark, packet loss 0% ping 135ms jitter 22ms grade C - constant problems with Nethouse connection, "DNS Server not responding" their technician says nothing is wrong, but all that will rectify this is to switch off at the mains and switch back on again.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:07

re msg 39



>>A true test would be for some people to volunteer to test my slingbox TV set up in the different areas of NC at the same time of night (peak time). Is anyone willing?<<



HOW would that be representative? ! Much simpler for folks to test via speedtest / pingtest - only one person can test at a time with your proposal



Unless you have a constant 2.4 Mps available for uplinking from EACH Sling box to any tester - you'll get a CRAP result because of a poor feed to the client...



You say *my* slingbox - I have three dedicated test units - just for Cyprus testing, with two more slingboxes on the way ...



They'd be working NOW, but for the arrival of a 3.7Kg bundle of joy to my Network engineer, yesterday ;)

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:10

message 39



im willing to try it

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:12

cont- can we keep to the topic, Washerman..?



It's just I have a feeling that you might be trying to derail this topic..





As you say you have an interest ( agent for two of the best ISPs) can you explain this CRAP results?



re msg 41, Chicken



The fact that you need to keep rebooting your router to re-establish a connection needs to be examined.. do other neighbours have the same issue ?

Chicken


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:17

No, they don't but neither are they on Nethouse. Friends of ours less than2 miles away with Nethouse no problems

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:17

re 39



When you've tried Washerman's - be sure to try it at 0900, 12.00, 1800 and 22.00 - and note the received kps - then could you test mine..?



It won't help us much with determining the quality of your internet connection, but it will be interesting to see how it compares..



Washerman tells us that it ( slingbox) doesn't work too well, while we have another well known poster quietly watching two at once - quite happily

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:18

OK Dave, that's Catalkoy sorted out.



mmmmmm many people "simultaneously" (obviously) - do I have to spell everything out for you?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:21

re 45 Chicken



make sure your router is on a 'protected' electric circuit - if your electric supply is good, then it is down to your router or the ISP..



IF you are confident with the electricity ask the ISP if you can swap the router.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:25

re 47

Washerman



>>mmmmmm many people "simultaneously" (obviously) - do I have to spell everything out for you?<<



No, but you knew that...



I just wonder WHY you have 'arrived' here on this thread and instead of helping folk, by answering specific questions - what with your with your knowledge re local ISPs - you are attempting to turn this thread into a spiral.



PLEASE .. TRY and contribute positively, or folks will think you have an 'agenda' ...

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:26

mmmmmm - I already said at peak time.



Trying many Slingboxes simultaneously at the same time is definitely a good way of testing the NC network for constant bandwidth throughput.



I've already drawn attention to a couple of things that make your comparisons meaningless. Anyway, what were you trying to prove with the results?



The quality of internet connections in NC (amongst other things) is directly related to the location and distance between you and the AP.

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:27

paul.



maybe DC will put 1 of yours next to the 2 he is already testing for mark.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:27

Just to be clear..



MY agenda is to ensure folks know how good / bad their internet connection is - as MAY BE - just may be, we'll improve things for others..



It is my contention that figures are FAR better than "can you watch a sling box?"

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:32

There are laws here relating to the type and strength of equipment that an ISP can use to connect you to their AP's so, people's connections vary in quality.



If anyone wants to contact me 0533 869 4372 and tell me where they live and which ISP they use, I will tell them the appropriate IP to ping to determine ping time and packet loss on their local network. This will give an indication as to the quality of the last mile connection (which in NC is usually wireless)

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:37

mmmmmm - people already know how good or, bad their internet connection is. They can tell you that from their experience. They don't need to waste time producing meaningless results!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:45

Washerman



In case you hadn't noticed, pingtest.net give folks a reference point - something concrete - instead of 'knowing'



Merely running a ping test - in isolation - isn't too informative, the pingtest.net, measures other factors - it is measuring jitter, too - something VERY important for folk wishing to use VoIP - such as SKYPE.



So, HOW is your offer re which server to ping going to help?



You are an agent for two ISPs... We need someone who isn't attached to any of 'em..



Would you agree that it looks like that a internet dongle seems to be working for some folk better than a wireless ISP?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:49

re 51 ZC



Dave, he ( Hans) now has access to FOUR sling boxes - 3 x UK TV and 1 x NL TV... he is gathering data / results on my behalf, as it was HE who convinced me slingboxes could work in your part of the world...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:50

Could anyone who has a phone line with an ADSL connection in 'TRNC' post their results ?



It would be interesting to see..

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:59

Well. lets hope you and washerman sort out the slingboxes.



youll make alot of people very happy,if its nice and cheap and works

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:04

I ask again, what are you trying to prove with these results?



Being an agent for two ISP's confirms our independence!



If my idea isn't worthy - why are you asking Hans to test a Slingbox set up? Why don't these results tell you what you need to know?



You can test the actual speed of your NC connection by downloading the 10 Meg zero.bin file from a UK server and looking at the transfer speed. http://fuller.zen.co.uk/test



If people post their results here, including their ISP and the time of day - we can then, make a comparison between providers.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:16

Washerman, re msg 59



>>I ask again, what are you trying to prove with these results? <<



Isn't my answer - msg 52 -clear enough?



>>Being an agent for two ISP's confirms our independence! <<



No - they are both predominately wireless ISPs.. Folks could choose a 3G dongle, or wired ADSL connection - if they are lucky !



I don't have ANY tie up with any ISP.. I'm just trying to get the best for folk.. no charge involved..



The test: http://fuller.zen.co.uk/test



doesn't tell folk how 'fast' their connection is ..it doesn't tell us about the quality / jitter aspect... it *is* useful as another comparative tool, but as there is no record of how long the download takes - if using a browser - as most folk will - what use is it as a reference to show an ISP ?



Your slingbox Q is a 'red herring' - I have explained in another thread HOW / WHY / with WHOM I am testing ..



THIS topic.. is to find the BEST ISPs

elko2



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:20

I have just tested mine.

Packets lost 96%

Ping 258

Jitter 66

Grade F



adsl Cyprus. Pretty lousy these days. Can anyone do better from the wrong end?

ismet

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:20

re 58 Dave



re the slingbox tests



I nearly won't be charging 147 Y TL / monthly - so at least we will see another massive price drop from companies that seem to regard 'TRNC' as a place to fleece ex-pats ....

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:22

Hi Ismet.. re msg 61



OMG.. is that with 'Super'online ?! - that's truly AWFUL... totally unacceptable..



You need to take results four times a day for a week, and send them a letter to improve or you will take your biz elsewhere..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:23

re msg 61 ( cont)



Do you have a friend / relative that can test a data dongle from the same location ?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:24

"Isn't my answer - msg 52 -clear enough?" No, it isn't! I ask you again - what do these results prove?



Doesn't tell folk how fast their connection is??? Your replies get stranger and stranger! The transfer rate is the download speed of their connection at that particular time AND everyone can compare their results!!!



If I ping Turkey from NC and you ping UK from there - can we compare our results? No or, can we, if so, tell me how?



Better to ping Google from all destinations, but then it depends on other factors.



The best ISP differs from area to area and is determined by the siting of their AP's - did you miss that?



Your test as it stands, proves nothing - I can write up a set of criteria for people to use, can you not - it's your test!

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:29

Elko - packets lost 96%? Are you connected wirelessly through a router or, an ethernet cable?

elko2



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:29

Marky,

I am with adsl cyprus at the moment but they admit having problems these days. ı can't even play backgammon properly on msn these days. It freezes up so often. I will wait a week and see what happens.

ismet

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:30

here was my speed test from febuary 2009.



now this will shock you mark.



http://www.speedtest.net/result/580649206.png

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:33

re msg 65



This is the last time I'll reply HERE to your obtuse responses... I'll start on new thread - to prevent 'pollution'



First you asked.. even though I had made it clear :



>>what are you trying to prove with these results? <<



Now you ask : >>what do these results prove? <<



That's a different question - if you have to ask the question - I wonder at your self-declared expertise.. but to humour you - one last time on this thread... The results demonstrate the QUALITY of a connection at any given time...



SURE - they are dependent on whether the end-user(s) are doing something else.. but if the aren't ...



If local folks can compare, and post we MIGHT see some ISPs upping their quality as *I* believe we might see a trend develop in local areas.. whereby one ISP may well be out-performing another..



Instead of being 'negative'... find a truly definitive test... that is easily recordable.. or ( please) 'pipe down'...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:35

re msg 68, ZC



YES.. I'm shocked - the ping time was LOUSY, though - what happened since then ?

zerochlor


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:40

http://www.speedtest.net/result/586422603.png



http://www.speedtest.net/result/577743004.png



http://www.speedtest.net/result/552796031.png



http://www.speedtest.net/result/653098875.png



http://www.speedtest.net/result/700205638.png



http://www.speedtest.net/result/878058114.png

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:41

mmmmmm - if someone refuses to answer, it's common practice to ask the same question in a different way, but even then, you don't answer - if we compare each other's results - what does it prove?



Does it prove that NC's internet connections compared to connections in the UK are crap? Well, do we really need to prove that? I think everyone knows!



Does it compare the quality of local provider's connections?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:41

re 67



Ismet



Washerman made a good point re asking you if you were connecting to your router via a network cable or wirelessly !



It would be good to eliminate your internal wireless network connection as a 'roadblock'



A good tip - try to compare the test results by plugging into the router, with a network cable, then disabling your internal wireless connection and comparing the results ..

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:42

Ah, mmmmmm - now you are adding criteria - well done! More please! Then, we can make something of the results!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 13:50

re 74



Right, Washerman





You and I can 'debate' your obtuse responses here :



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/47724.asp





I would ask folks to posts their regular ping tests ( using the option to copy after the result) on this thread...



If using the links, we can more info than re typing the results and the ISP...



example:



http://www.pingtest.net/result/26277435.png



As opposed to : typing it all out !

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:01

mmmmmm has suggested a way that everyone can test their internet connection and I have suggested another. Here are my reasons for making an alternative suggestion:-



1. If everyone is testing from different places to different servers - we cannot compare the results.



2. Northern Cyprus is unusual in that the majority of internet connections are wireless and therefore, cannot be compared to connections in the UK



3. The location of your house in relation to the base station (distance and geography) will affect the speed that you get.



4. A ping test is good for testing round-trip time and packet loss, but the result will differ to different IP's and locations - distance to the machine being pinged is one factor



..//cont.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:04

5. The http://fuller.zen.co.uk/test download test (from a server in the UK) is a good one because it tests the internet from here to the UK, across Europe and is a true indication of our internet speed AND we can all compare our results.



6. everyone has heard the term "in-the-filed" and knows that the results will differ to those "in-the-laboratory" - that is why the "in-the-field" Slingbox test is a good one and that's why mmmmmm is doing one!

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:06

"in-the-field"

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:08

Washerman



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/47724.asp

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:15

By the way - take the tick out of "close this dialog box when download completes" and post the results as follows:-



time: 2.13pm

transfer rate: 87KB/sec

ISP: eXtend Broadband

best effort connection speed: 1Mbps

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:26

Click on the link http://fuller.zen.co.uk/test

Click on the bottom file 10MB_zero.bin

Click to "Save" the file and navigate to Desktop folder then,

Click on "Save" again and take the tick out of "close this dialog box when download completes" and post the results as above



NB: If you are using a download manager of any sorts, the process may be different, but essentially you are downloading this file to your desktop to record the transfer rate and then deleting the file (it's of no use)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:26

Washerman..



re msg 80



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/47724.asp



The penny will drop, soon what THIS thread is for...

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:39

I suppose that, as I have suggested this test, and that the purpose to compare our connection speeds in Northern Cyprus, that everyone should close all other applications and make sure that you are the only one using your connection at the time of the test.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:45

I know that it is a bit more work, but then, if we want to be able to make anything of the results or, in the event that your connection doesn't compare favourably, use the results to sway the minds of your ISP - it's worth it.



One thing that I can tell you is that the local ISP's tell their clients to use the ping and speed test that mmmmmm has suggested because (usually) it only tests their connection to Turkey and the results favour them, but how many Brit's want to access websites in Turkey? We want to access websites in the UK/America and internationally - that's why it is better to test to the UK.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:00

Washerman re msg 83/84



I'm assuming you DO understand English re 'polluting' this thread ?



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/47724.asp msg 6/7

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:09

I have just received a service call from someone who tells me that using the speed test that mmmmmm is suggesting - his connection is showing that he is receiving his 1Mb quota, but that despite this, his iPlayer TV system is not working - it just keeps buffering.



I asked him where he was testing to and he was testing to Nicosia. What is the point when iPlayer comes from servers in the UK?



There should have been certain criteria laid down when mmmmmm suggested this test, but there wasn't and now people are confused.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:21

Washerman



"There should have been certain criteria laid down when mmmmmm suggested this test, but there wasn't and now people are confused."



No, I am not confused these tests have been known to many of us for years now. The only confusion here is caused by you hijacking yet another thread..............

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:27

Washerman re msg 86



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/47666.asp



msg 8

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:28

ooops that should read :



Washerman re msg 86



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/47724.asp



msg 8

scruff


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:29

Hi Mark

Cannot even get the pingtest link to work. I get this.



We were unable to return you to pingtest.net .



Internet Explorer has stopped trying to restore this website. It appears that the website continues to have a problem.

What you can do:

Go to your home page



Try to return to pingtest.net



More information



BTW, the slingbox works better at 3/4 am in the morning. Lightning speeds of 400/500 kbps & even the elusive remote control appears. Seriously though it is still not stable enough to watch.

You talk about competition & taking your business elsewhere. Unfortunately there isn't anywhere else to go & there is virtually no competiition. The ISPs know this. I suspect that much of the time the problems are actually down to TRNC Telecom or Turk Telecom or both. No one has any clout as far as they are concerned. I just keep paying the absurd price of 1200 TL a year for the poor service, not wanting to be labelled a whinging Brit.

scruff


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:31

Given that my landline has been out of order for more than a year & they won't fix this, but continue to charge for it each month, says it all really.

PS. I do not pay the bill though.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:33

TheSaints - thank you for your input, but dare I say, a better contribution would have been to participate and post your results.



You can accept or, reject my comments and it makes no difference to me, but I stand by my comments and personally believe that the alternative test that I have suggested, is better and more representative.



I have not hijacked this thread, I have been very careful to keep it on topic.



Carefully read the posts and try to keep personalities out of it.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:33

Hi Scruff



re msg 90



I appreciate your frustration - but I'm DETERMINED to prove you 'wrong' ... and find you a connection that WILL work for you ...



Can you try the speedtest.net and pingtest.net solutions at 04:00 connecting to a UK based server that we will ALL agree to use.. ?



Once we have a reference server, will CAN get results that we can use..



I may have asked you this.. if so ( sorry) what is the coverage like for 3G ( dongle) where you are ?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:36

Scruff.....who is your connection with and what area/district do you live?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:38

So, mmmmmm I notice that you have added "connecting to a UK based server that we will ALL agree to use" - you could have said this at the beginning and avoided a lot of this.



Nice to see you back on thread.



There needs to be other criteria though and a clear objective ie. to prove what?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:42

Washerman



re msg 95 - a LONG time ago.. you wasted lot of time before you BOTHERED to spot it..



Now about the 'agreed' server ?

Binkey


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:43

Hi Paul - I tried the speedtest via Maidenhead as you suggested and although Nicosia and Ankara were giving me a reading of 1mb Maidenhead came out at 0.17mb!!! Hence our TV problems.

I started your UK test and it told me the 10MB download would take 1hour and 37minutes - I might not live that long so I aborted it!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:44

It's all here.. if you'd paid attention





http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/47724.asp



msg 1 - 9 ( ignore 10 it's a mis-paste )

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:45

Internet bandwidth is a problem in North Cyprus, especially at busy times and don't forget, the majority of internet connections are shared connections!



Any Slingbox connection supplied by me would always carry a warning that on a shared connection, speed is not guaranteed and that therefore, at busy times, the system will struggle.



mmmmmm - how does the speed test that you have suggested get around the bandwidth shaping policies that some ISP's implement here? ie. 1Mbps connection for three minutes and then fallback! Your test only lasts about a minute. Another reason that it is no good!

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:50

Binkey, so you see the point that I am making!



Testing the network locally is a waste of people's time, but hey, if they have time to waste so what!

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 15:57

By the way, having just pinged Google, I can tell everyone that there is a problem on the internet in general today. Google pings from here are normally about 70-80 ms today they are 150-160ms

scruff


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 16:00

It can't be all that special Mark. We have a neighbour who returns quite frequently to the UK. for a few weeks. He used to use a 3G Turkcell dongle (for about a year). Earlier this year he finally went wireless for the first time with Nethouse & he seemed happy enough.

Things have definitely got worse here for us during the last month & epecially during the last week.

I can do the speedtest, no problem. I cannot even open the pingtest page from the URL though, even if from the speedtest homepage.

jardap


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 16:08

Hi Mark

Just done a test and as you know i am not a techi,so the results are

Test to London

Download 0.45mb/s

Upload 0.08 mb/s

Ping 348ms

Ankara

Download 0.50mb/s

Upload 0.08 mb/s

Ping 70ms

And i can tell you i have not got a clue as to what it all means .

Regards David

scruff


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 16:23

msg. 94

Sorry Washerman I missed your earlier question.

ISP is Extend via Bortec.

Location Catalkoy, east of Malpas Hotel & nearly opposite Baris beach, but mountain side of main road. In other words far east Catalkoy.

Was facing Malpas hotel base station with clear site until this week, but now moved back to Telephone Exchange Kyrenia base station by ISP because results were better than the Malpas. Still rubbish though & especially this last week.

Has something happened this week just gone? When we trief to do a speed test on Thursday (I think it was), Adana wasn't even showing on Speedtest list. It is back now though.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 16:35

Hi Jardap



re msg 103



can you do THIS test?



http://pingtest.net



and when complete, please click on the 'direct link' under the test result and copy it into your message - then we all see the result in a format that we can collate .. Hopefully, we will soon be able to give folks a link to the same server in the UK..

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 16:38

scruff........can you see the new Cratos hotel from where you are? What equipment have you got up on the roof - is it a small grey dish?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 16:52

The speed test that has been recommended only lasts for about a minute. Some of the ISP's in Northern Cyprus have bandwidth shaping policies that produce good results for a certain amount of time, but then after a certain limit (time or, total data) the connection speed falls back to a lower level.



A ping test doesn't detect this. Another reason to use a download test as opposed to a ping test.



There is definitely a slowness to the internet in Northern Cyprus today, everything seems OK to Turkey, but beyond that, something is not right!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 16:58

re 107 Washerman



since you INSIST in polluting this thread - I seem to have to repeat things several times for you to 'digest' what should be clear to an 'expert'



pingtest.net is NOT merely a ping test, is it? It is quick and can be done often - and result compared with different times of the day



Your download test could take ages, hog the bandwidth of other users and has no reporting function



Now.. let's agree a common UK based server for the pingtest.net test and we can get back to the idea of this thread



HELPING folk get a better solution

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 17:08

mmmmmm - You suggested one method, I have suggested another and I have explained why mine is more relevant.



I haven't polluted this thread unless that is, you consider polluting a thread someone posting with opposing views.



I am glad to see that you have modified the advice that you are giving now, but without a full set of criteria and clear objective, your suggestion still falls short.



Do you know anything about bandwdith shaping policies or, are you just avoiding the question?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 17:17

Confirmation that there is a general problem affecting Northern Cyprus today so, my advice is to leave the tests to another day. I will keep a check on behalf of everyone and report back with any news.



Tonight, I am going to write a couple of little programs which users will be able to download and use to test their local internet connections.



I will post details and instructions on how to obtain the programs tomorrow.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 17:33

Dear Washerman



re 109



>>You suggested one method, I have suggested another and I have explained why mine is more relevant.



I haven't polluted this thread unless that is, you consider polluting a thread someone posting with opposing views. <<



I was really trying to avoid this happening - as it ALWAYS does with you when *I* post something.



1/ is your method suggested by consumer watchdog groups..?



2/ I have asked you FOUR times for a suggested UK server we can agree on re a UK test on pingtest.net



3/ Locally, I have asked you FOUR times if you'd volunteer to be a pingtest.net host server



What this comes down to is...



YOU didn't start this idea off, and you seem to be determined to pollute a thread - with negatives instead of joining in with positives..



IF you want folk to have better connections - let's agree a RECORDABLE, quick test, so they can compare notes...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 17:34

Cont -





*I* think you'd rather see any thread to help folk closed if it wasn't YOUR idea ...

jardap


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 17:36

[URL= http://www.pingtest.net][IMG] http://www.pingtest.net/result/26287289.png[/IMG][/URL]

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 17:37

mmmmmm - "It wasn't my idea"? Is that what you really think that this is about?



Really, deary, deary me. Mark just get on with it!

LordJim


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 17:37

6 x m perhaps you would be better asking him to publish the reply he got from microsoft.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 17:45

Msg 92

Not much use me doing the test here I am at work in Paris on a company network.

"Carefully read the posts and try to keep personalities out of it"

You would be much wiser to follow your own advice as you seem to have brought personalities into this...

This was an informative practical thread for novices to use as a basis of gaining a little usefull knowledge, some were getting on with it and doing ok until you the Oracle and fountain of all knowledge (well you seem to think so) had to get your oar in just so you could have a battle of wits with 6xm, sadly this thread has gone the same way as many these days.....

Shame Mark but it seems everytime you try to do some good for folk some numpty has to try to take you on...

This is one of the reasons I have not used the forum much recently, the lack of decent debate and the amount of belligerent thread hijackers the forum has lost it's way, just look at how many members no longer use it.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 17:50

TheSaints.... If you disagree with what I say, at least tell me why otherwise, your comments mean nothing.



This thread is a debate. If you disagree and can contribute, please do so.



As for the rest of your post, like I said, leave personalities out of this.

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 18:02

hi mark i think the best provider now is cablenet with the 10mb/s cable not adsl

http://www.cablenet.com.cy

scruff


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 18:09

msg 106

Cannot see Cratos hotel (thank goodness). Too far down in the dip. Almost opposite but slightly higher than the Esentepe turn.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 18:12

Hi jardap re 113







I think you copied and pasted the link from the lower left hand side of your result ! .. you need to use the 'direct' one on the lower right hand side ;)



THIS should be it :



http://www.pingtest.net/result/26287289.png -you are with EXtend, right ?



If Washerman is correct tomorrow or soon your result will improve - ut now you have a way to measure - even if you don't understand it ;)



Thx for your trouble



re 117



Washerman - another obtuse response... which is EXACTLY why I wanted our debate in a side thread... so as members could concentrate on posting their results - which ARE useful - despite what you say.



You have an unfortunate habit of repeating with a question to an already answered response.... I REALLY DO believe you want to have AJ ( mistakenly) close this thread, too.

scruff


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 18:13

Sorry I forgot the other bit. A small square grey dish.

tracer


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 18:16

http://www.speedtest.net/result/995107306.png



http://www.pingtest.net/result/26289641.png

YFred


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 18:22

Thanks for the info 6Ms

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 18:23

Hey tracer





Wavespeed, Limassol .. I hadn't heard of them



Thanks for the post - that's the first A grade from Cyprus .. unfortunately - this co isn't available to many of us on here :(

Washerman


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 18:36

Scruff, that is a notoriously bad area for wireless internet. Ironically, there is a base station quite near to you but the geography may not let you see it. What size dish to you have, can you estimate it for me?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 19:08

Washerman... let's see if you can help, Jenny .. some good may come from this, after all ? !

scruff


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 22:30

Well that's the first time anyone has said it's a notoriously bad area for internet. Maybe you are right but no ISP has ever said that. I 'd accept that but we did have 2 excellent years with Arinet before things went tits up again after Extend re-entered the equation.

History. Approx 4 years on dial up until the landline became totally unreliable. It's obviously a bad area for TRNC Telecoms as well !!. Moved to Extend in summer 2007 & after 3 dreadful months ditched them. Moved to Arinet & enjoyed excellent service for 2 years, until Extend & Arinet merged in late 2009/early 2010. That's when the problems started yet again. Call me old fashioned, but Extend has been the problem for us until now.

The equipment isn't a dish but a squaerial about max. 8 inches square on a short pole fixed to to the water tank cradle.

jardap


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Message Posted:
19/10/2010 15:26

http://www.pingtest.net/result/26347055.png

Think this might be the right one

Simhar


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Message Posted:
19/10/2010 16:03

omg this is on a 2Mb ADSL line with Nethouse



http://www.pingtest.net/result/26348847.png

Simhar


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Message Posted:
19/10/2010 16:07

This is to Limassol



http://www.pingtest.net/result/26348956.png



This is to Istanbul



http://www.pingtest.net/result/26349026.png



a difference of 96% package loss to Zero!



Draw your own conclusions!!!!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/10/2010 22:23

I'd like to see some more 3G tests in this neck of the woods as THIS is what I am getting in Spain ( Mallorca)



http://www.speedtest.net/result/1003019873.png



http://www.pingtest.net/result/26694458.png



This morning I watched the F1 GP - when it actually started - live.. via a slingbox and it was PERFECT... no issues..



This is an island, too ( ISP Vodafone Spain) and if you check out the speedtest results, I am getting fast UPLOADS from here ( a wireless dongle) than my ADSL line back in the UK !!!!!