Something for you to ponder over

Lilli



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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:20

Its now 7 years since cyprus was accepted by the EU. We all know half an island accepted. Do you think it has done them many favours or has it hampered them. If the annan plan was agreed what do you think the outcome would have been as a united country x

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:27

the whole island was accepted into the eu.............

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:28

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/turkish_cypriot_community/index_en.htm

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:30

apc i know but the other side do not, can we as foreigners have rights as EU citizens if this is the case

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:33

all brits/eu citizens have rights that why you can cross borders etc ,,,t/c can get an eu passport ,free healthcare etc,.... and freedom of movement within the eu...

Lilli



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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:35

but love we cant. we get a slip of paper that dictates the amount of days we can spend here x

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:39

that is the north cyprus government , absolutely nothing to do with the eu ,,same as import duties, ,and no real right to expect the british government to help people .. sad but true ...

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:53

I am happy the Tcs can and do have freedom of movement , a cypriot is a cypriot in my eyes as an irosh person is the same. No matter what was fought.Who can we challenge the human rights when thet turn around sorry not regonised x

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 00:56

unfortunately when you choose to reside freely in a country ,that you know is only recognised by turkey, you may have to appeal to turkey ,,,,although they haven't got the best human rights record......

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 01:42

Come on apc,get real Northern Cyprus voted for the anan plan in 2004,the gcs knocked it back and gained entry into the E.U.Is it fair to be kicked in the bollocks year on year.How many more kicks down below do you think they (Turkey) will take before they finally fight back,

Paul.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 01:46

The Ethnic groups in Cyprus are Greek 77%, Turkish 18%, other 5% of the population. (2001) The Annan plan equates the representation of the two major ethnic groups in the proposed Senate and in the Supreme Court giving 50-50 representation to the two communities. The majority becomes a minority in important decision centres.[2]

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 01:52

Nothing to gain from accepting it then.So you are happy for Northen Cyprus to be classed as a third world country,

Paul.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 01:54

Daniel Fried (member of the National Security Council and special advisor to President Bush), stated on 26 June 2004 "When we were trying to convince Turkey to allow the passage of our troops through its territory in Northern Iraq, we gave Turkey two motives: several billion dollars in the form of donations and loans and Cyprus in the form of the Annan plan." From the outset the Annan Plan involved very little consultation of Cypriots themselves.



that is both t/c and g/c ....





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annan_Plan_for_Cyprus

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 01:56

who said a third world country...????

newlad



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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 01:58

Mess 12 ditto,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 02:03

ape,

Do you think that it is acceptable for Northern Cyprus not to be able to freely trade with other countries,apart from Turkey,Southern Cyprus and third world countries,

Paul.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 02:05

just checked not 3rd world world ...



http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world.htm#regimes

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 02:16

newlog, i think untill both sides come to a solution people should abide by international law , on both sides .....

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 02:42

and most people on this forum agree ..............





http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/47787.asp

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 09:57

At least you can get your UK State Pension paid here plus the annual increases - this wouldn't have been the case unless the whole Island was in theory part of the EU. Incidentally the UK State Pension is increasing by 4.6% next April (based on this month's RPI, folloing year's increases will be in lin with the CPI. CPI this year was lower than 4.6% RPI, it was 3.1%

Geoff

Impoverished Pensioner of Famagusta City.

chiangbill



Joined: 21/07/2010
Posts: 137

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 10:17

Hi Geoff.



We are new to the TRNC. Is it true you can get the UK State Pension paid here. Does it have to be a certain Bank, or any Bank here in the North.



Thanks.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 11:06

I have mine paid direct to my HSBC Account here, in TL.

Contact the Interntional Pensions Dept at Newcastle for more details.

Cheers,

Geoff

newlad



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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 11:39

Re-mess 11,are the so called "illegal settlers" included in the stats,

Paul.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 15:21

paul ,i do not believe so ...

newlad



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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 15:23

How many do you reckon there are,over 100,00 perhaps,

Paul.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
20/10/2010 15:35

going to work now , will find out tonight and post on this thread ...

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:04

In 2006 there were 117,000 Turkish settlers living in Northern Cyprus,

Grey.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
21/10/2010 00:58

compared to how many t/c s out of curioustity and how many permanent expats ??



it is very difficult to find figures and facts on north cyprus ....

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 11:13

I was told there are about 11,000 expats living in TRNC, incl Brits, Germans, etc. Compared to about 85,000 in the ROC.

These figures do not include holiday-homers. I have no idea how many TCs there are.

Geoff

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 13:46

newlad

What we are happy with or not is irrelevant to the rest of EU,who have absolutely no knowledge and no interest in Cyprus nor what what has happened in the past.



If I choose to live in the TRNC I choose to live under an illegal regime and understand what that entails when it comes to EU or UK protection.

Indeed some on this forum reckon if you chose to move to TRNC ,you shouldnt ,as a 'guest' expect basic protection under the law against fraud .

The FO has given clear advise on the subject and as with other advice ,like dont travel to Afghanistan ,if I choose to ignore it then its me to blame.

As for fighting for EU recognition, the TC's should do that on their own and we shouldnt interfere with petitions etc to MP's, as rightly or wrongly, we are considered to have taken advantage of the situation and our support of the TC'S would actually have a negative effect.

Forget about EU ,just hope Turkey gets fed up with NC freeloaders and steps in,thats the way forward