for nall you hard up mpensioners inTRNC

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 16:48

You can all go out and buy your selves a parrafin heater for the extreme cold you suffer out there.Your winter fuel allowance has been saved by the government and had you lived here you could still get a free bus pass,free eye tests,free prescriptions and free NHS care.Oh! and when yo are 75,a free tv licence.

I would sooner have all that an extra bit of sun,which if you are not careful can kill you.Right ,carry on sunbathing....

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 16:54

miserable old sod.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 16:58

A dissapointed one too.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 17:02

You been on the sauce coachie?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 17:02

Keep writing, Coachie! I love to read the words of the last socialist in the UK...

1friendly


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 76

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 17:03

We can't wait to join all those people enjoying that extra sunshine when it is 81F out there today and just 5 in England where we are and **** down with rain. We will be joining them in November.



Sorry you are so miserable

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 17:05

Coachie - look on bright side. Your tv liscence has been frozen for 6 years.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 17:09

Coachie,



I am too young to retire and having said that even when I do I am not entitled to a UK pension or any of the benefits you have listed as I gave up my rights to them when I became non UK resident 20 years ago.

I still work to provide for my future.

Don't measure all expats as leaches, there are many more within the UK than outside...........

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 17:12

good post TheSaints,



Hehehe Hans, made me laugh.



Scoty, as well as his feet ;-)

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 17:36

Ha Coachie, if you were clever you could have the sunshine and the rest of all that stuff.



Lets see the socialists squirm now, since it is them that are always looking for a 'free' house, free this free that, perhaps now we may see the work shy given a kick up the backside... Remember ... Nobody owes any body anything in life. That's why we are in this blinking mess now isn't it! All take and take...Labour has encouraged the work shy to scrounge, lets hope some of the money does go back to the pensioners... x



Look at it another way coachie, those that take that can work, are no better than thieves...... thieving from us the workers....

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 17:40

Very disappointed .



scroungers have not been affected.



Those folk who have never worked all there lives still have there guaranteed notes at the end of the week, and continue to have a pot waiting for them when they retire .



Same old Same old.





Work work work to look after the ones that shirk shirk shirk .

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 17:43

I think coachie is just bitter because he can't afford to buy here or is just too tight.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 18:57

Lapta Mike..Wrong!! I do not like too much sun,bad for the skin old chap.and I am only stating a fact, I am quite a cheerful bloke actually and far from tight fisted.



Pipie..A bit disapointed myself as far as the "pro" scroungers are concerned,but he did say that no person would get more in benefits than a person who worked. I am a bit puzzled as to how he is going to make 500000 people redundant and balance the books,must be a magician as well. Its ok saying get people back to work if you have the jobs for them to go to.



Dizzy..I have never looked for a "free this or a free that" at any time in my working life and why do you think that all people who are receiving benefits are socialists,just as many lib/tories there in the queues.



The saints.. read paragraph to Dizzy....





Dutch Crusader....I bet there will be a couple of million out there who had wished they had voted labour when these cuts start taking effect.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 19:11

coachie, it dont matter who you vote for , the government will always get in ?

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 19:14

coachie, may I ask why you post on this forum when you so obviously dislike NC and the sun so much and the expats who have worked all their lives and paid thousands or millions in taxes? You champagne socialists (or red wine in your case) are so hypocritical. If I had my way I would shoot the lot of you, you're all a waste of space.







Before you say typical tory, yes I am a very right wing tory and proud of it.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 19:33

Obviously Laptamike has no understanding of freedom of speech or individual opinions, what a rude and very arrogant person he comes across as, he must be very proud of that too. Coachie may have a different outlook on politics to yours but he has been a member of this forum for a long time and is entitled to post whenever he likes.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 19:39

Why would I be refered to the paragraph you wrote to Dizzy?? it has no bearing on my post at all.

My post was informative fact not an accusatory statement.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 19:41

hattikins, you're the one of no understanding of freedom of speech. If you had then you would have accepted my right to post the reply that I did................................................................. No more said.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 19:45

Yes you have the right to post your reply, but there was no need to be so rude, Coachie just expressed his opinion, was there any need for such a hostile reply, no more said !

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 19:54

Well hattikins, if coachie had been more respectful in the past towards me then perhaps I would be more respectful towards his views now. Now you have made yourself cannon fodder by interfering in my humble opinion. I will shoot down all your posts that I disagree with. Hope your happy. Freedom of speech live on.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 20:03

What a prat !!!!

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 20:12

you're entitled to your pathetic opinion.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 20:52

chiangbill, you screwed up the page format and had me all confused, I kept reloading the page because I thought it was something wrong with my browser

Obviously it can't deal with a single word of over 200 characters lol

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:00

Coachie, I do believe you are one of those that truly has worked and paid your taxes, it is those that have never worked, hold out their hand for their so called right to have.



I certainty do not mind paying tax, for our pensioners be they here in GB or in NC, that age group are the ones Labour have always let down... If I could choose to say where my taxes went it would certainly NOT be to work shy.

In fact I would make ALL single mothers go back and live with their parents, you would soon stop them having 5/6 children...

Yes I would then give the old age pensioners, a bonus every year of £1000, that was saved by silly housing benefits.

How would you sort this mess out then coachie, how can you deprive or even think that any oap doesn't deserve a little comfort in their 'last winter' of life?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:03

Why couldn't we just use the system another European country did.



Unless you have a valid medical reason for not being able to work then you can only claim unemployment benefit for 6 months and if you lose your job again it cannot be claimed within 3 years from a previous claim but then that is also the country that said the equivelent of road tax would be taken as a percentage of fuel charges at the pump, that way whoever uses the roads the most pays the most but then the UK governmetn is all ready robbing the motorists blind with fuel costs

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:07

dizzy, I don't think the £1000 a year would be wise bearing in mind the demographics of the UK these days. ;-) Probably bankrupt the country in 1 year.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:12

Mike, you forgot to take into account the changes to retirement age, I think I will be 87 before I can get a state pension

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:18

The disability car allowance should be looked at, give an allowance for taxi use and there would be a lot less cars on the road that should not be there. Recently on holiday met a couple who have 3 holidays abroad in a year, a new car waiting for them when they got home, no disability as the wife had 2 replacements hips since applying for the allowance 6 years ago and could walk as good as any able bodied person, I asked her why did she still get a car she said no one had bothered about her claim so she still carried on getting a new car every 3 years. Then her husband said "but we have had to give up the mobility allowance" talk about cake and eat it.

chiangbill



Joined: 21/07/2010
Posts: 137

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:24

Proger1. Sorry my fault should have been '?'

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:27

In fact I would LaptaMike, take away all the housing benefits, you would be quids in..



Look at how many are having all their rent paid monthly! Im only giving away £1000 to oaps once a year , these work shy lot get that every blinking month! not once a year..



My old mum used to go out washing up in Hotels to feed us, why cant they do so now, no, its been to easy for them.. they have no pride in themselves, ..... give me give me give me ......



Hope you are feeling better, dont let things like this upset you, coachie means no harm, its just how he is, lol :0

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:27

hehe proger

hawkeye


Joined: 12/09/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:32

Heres a bit of info....an immigrant gets £250 per week for themsleves and their wife gets £225..........and can claim a total of up to £16000 per year.They have not paid anything into the economy in the way of tax etc., pensioners get aroun£10800... they have paid into the government coffers by way of tax and national insurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for 44years, and soon to be 30 years. Something in the balance of things has gone very wrong....... Sue

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:35

That's terrible isn't it woodspeckie, this sort of thing really disgusts me. Do you know, when I had to have a hip replacement I could not claim a bl---dy thing all because I was self employed! I asked if it was possible to get something to pay for someone to come in and do my work whilst immobile, nope, not a cent. They did offer to pay my NI whilst I was in hospital, told them to stuff it!!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 21:40

Sue, way too many things have gone wrong, here is some other gentle ironies, those that I know who can and do work as hard as they can in the best paying jobs that they can, do so avoiding as much tax as possible because they know that it does not go to the deserving people, especially the pensioners so unfortunately and I am included in this, I do not support pensioners including my own mother by the government systems as utilising the system as it is my mother would not even recieve 30% of what I would pay in tax and that would be after her working for the NHS for most of her life.

But as stated an immigrant would get plenty, an unemployed layabout would get plenty, a single mother would get plenty (some of those have good reasons so I can't complain) and you can be damned sure the politicians will get plenty. I am afraid I will pay for my own pension and make do with that after all it is what will happen in the future.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 22:09

Coachie said "I am a bit puzzled as to how he is going to make 500000 people redundant and balance the books,must be a magician as well."



There you go again Billyboy blowing things out of proportion, I will now enlighten you of the facts that left Osbournes mouth.



493,000 people to go over 4 years and most will be natural wastage...........so no not half a million redundancies stop telling porkies

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 22:13

Hawkeye message33, can you tell us all where you got your information from so we can all check this please.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 22:17

Message 37



Yes please. I, too would like to know.



I did find myself wondering that if ALL immigrants into this country get such generous allowances, why ANY of them would bother to work at all.



Thank you.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 22:34

hawkeye n..did you notice that Osbourne never mention that in his ramblings.



Lapta Mike..Dislike people who go and live in another country and support that countries economy then expect to get all the benefits thAT THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON..just because they have paid all their lives.Go and see what extras you can get off the TRNC government which will probably amount to zilch.To me once you leave these shores your entitlement to anything should cease,except your state and private pensions.As I have said before I do not believe you should pay UK tax on anything you have in the way of savings or investments.At 38 you would not have paid a great deal into the uk system or are you one of them that is lioving there on UK benefits seeing how you do not disclose your occupation or are yu the self appointed leader for all the expats out there.



Hattikins ...thank you for your support in the right to publish my opinions,but do not put your self in the firing line.He does not worry me..

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 22:34

Jeannie....and, as usual, according to the figures given by Hawkeye, the woman is receiving £25 less, we can never win!!!!!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 22:48

Turtle..the info came from the BBC and I know it will take over 4yrs and if you think that is going to happen in "natural wastage" you are sadly mistaken.There are bound to be redundancies then look at what it will cost.They start off with good intentions then when they cannot get the numbers they want,out comes the hatchet..live in the real world Turtle..I have seen it to many times...They ask for people to volunteer for redundancy then classify it as natural wastage to cover up what they have to pay in redundancy payments.



Jeannie ..A lot of the money we pay "immigrants" which come from EU countries is dictated by Brussels.The number of EU people returning to their own countries is on the increase because they find it to expensive to live here. I know the EU is supposed to encourage free movement of labour,but if you go to some of these EU states and you do not have a job ,you are politely asked to leave.

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 22:52

Coachie .. You are a jealous twisted and words I daren't put on here .. Old sod ..



You couldn't afford to come here .. Would miss all the benefits of free NHS treatment + the others ..



But you would get the heating allowance ..



As you so despise the ones who have retired here do us a favour & post on a Spanish forum ..



Maybe you do & all other places where ex pats have retired to ..

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 22:53

message 24 Dizzycows



In fact I would make ALL single mothers go back and live with their parents, you would soon stop them having 5/6 children...



What gives you or anyone else the right to judge a single mum, do you know the circumstances that led to 'that woman' being in that position. Do you really think every one of those mums would not like to be in a loving relationship? How many of these mums have been in a violent / abusive relationship? I certainly don't know how many but after many years of working in the NHS specifically with women, and listening to their stories, I would suggest that you go and meet some of these people that you obviously think are beneath you . Then and only then can you be their judge and jury!



Chris

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:02

RE msg 20, LaptaMike : (...) I will shoot down all your posts that I disagree with. (...)

=> Not fair. You promised me on this board to do that with all my posts. I'm hurt.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:25

See as you are spoiling for another of your fights msg 42, I will answer you with how the majority of us see and know that there are only a minor amount of mums in violent/abusive relationships, those in these, the girls/ women are not who we despise.. You say you worked in the NHS for many years, what has that to do with the statistics of single mums? Or how many scroungers we now have in GB? You live and work now in NC, SO I think we who are still paying our taxes to our government have a say on how our money is wasted without the likes of you trying to make yourself holier than thou..



Within a distance of 5mls, a village not far from where I live, the majority of the houses are taken up by single mothers, all on benefits, whilst young couples cannot get a house to live in, these girls are all put in because they had a child, to get a house. So don't come on to me with how I should think or say.

Perhaps you should come to the west country and see for yourself, then you would

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:28

cont...... Bristol being another town over crowded with mothers in houses that could be taken up with young couples who want to work and do something for society, in other words give, not take all the time..

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:32

dizzy, it is not just the west country, that has been a game some woman have played ever since the government put them as the highest priority in housing however you have to remember that not all single mums are that way on purpose and some single mums do what work they can. A friend of mine ended up as a single mum through her husbands choices and then found work but was told that she could only work, I think it was 28 hours per week or she would start to lose some of her benefits now I know this woman quite well and I also know she would have happily worked the extra hours if it meant more money for her in the end but it didn't and in the end she would also have had to pay a childminder to gain the extra time to do the extra hours and would have had even less.

In essence, while I agree that there are lots of girls who have purposefully gotten pregnant to gain a house there are exceptions to the rule, it is the government that makes the rules, they just cheat within them.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:42

Dizzy my daughter has 3 masters degrees, she teaches in worcester, she has my autistic grandson. the father left when he knew. Now how he fights her through the courts claiming she is unfit as she works, she has no claimed one penny even though i beg her too, i cant be with her, that hurts. No way she will do it her way God Im so proud of them ,

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:43

proger1, have you visited down here in the west country? If you were to come down A lot of us can take you on a tour of complete housing estates that have just these girls, and they do not want to work. Why should they, its not to their benefit to do so.

Of course there are the minority of girls/women who fall into your category, but unfortunately they are only a minority.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:46

Dizzycows, why did you think, when you had your hip operation, that you would be entitled to anything when all you would have paid is Class 2 and presumably Class 4 contributions, that would only entitle you to free NHS and a contribution to your pension. Being self-employed you would/should have been expected to put aside savings to cover the eventuality of becoming sick or for any other reason unable to work. If you could not have covered these costs from being self employed then surely the whole exercise would have been pointless.



As for the cost of helping you whilst you were immobile, everyone has to pay/contribute to this. It should have been recommended to you the use of the services of people like the Red Cross who would have given their services free at max for 1 week.



I wish people would stick to facts when talking of the Welfare state instead of giving examples that they cannot back up and use this board to sensationalise for some popularity.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:52

Lilli, then you should be proud of her, many of us would love to have her in amongst our community.



Lets hope the courts do right by her. Again its a minority of girls that fall foul of the system, its not the ones that we were debating about.



It makes me so cross when we have the so called do gooders basically saying up yours to basic values...And trying to make people with values feel they should not voice an opinion.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:56

dizzy, I have been to pretty much every corner of the UK and they all have similarities, in Aberdeen there are several areas of the city that were repopulated with single mothers so I know exactly where you are coming from and I even said I agreed with you, just wanted to point out that you can't tar all the single mothers with the same brush. My ex is a single mother by her own choice and I can assure you she gets no hand outs from me and I would really be surprised if she got them from the government, she has her own house, I should know, I paid for it.

Again, I point iout that whilst you are correct about it being something they do on purpose it is within the guidelines of the government that they do it so it is the government systems that need to be changed and possibly kicking them all out so that married couples with children can get houses is an answer but I would hate to be the person who suggested that to the general public.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 23:56

Dizzy my last word on the subject YOU said



In fact I would make ALL single mothers go back and live with their parents, you would soon stop them having 5/6 children...



The key word is ALL



Chris

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
21/10/2010

Dalartocot, being self employed of course I put aside for an eventuality or eventualities that are not for seen. In fact I paid for my own hip replacement, as at the time I was told I was still too young!



What ever makes you think I would ask the Red Cross For help, they have enough to do with out another burden.

My statement was simply that some can get help when needed, others cant, or in my case I did not bother after many frustrated phone calls .... Nothing to get yourself upset about...

hunkydory


Joined: 19/10/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 00:01

I suppose if these cuts don't work, how long before they start thinking about compulsory euthanasia when us pensioners get to a certain state.

It could save Billions in pensions, and free up the hospitals no end. After all they are getting very concerned about the ratio of the working people, to the number of rising pensioners, so maybe cuts in the future may be along these lines.

Don't think I'm having a dig at a different group to myself, as I'm now an OAP myself, but it might not be as bad as it seems, and save much suffering for some whose lives have become a living hell.

Perhaps they could also have a cull among the 'I'm not going to work brigade' as well.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 00:05

nurseawful, you know as well as I, that is not how it is, those that cant would still be in the system, those that flout the system don't deserve any handouts...

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 00:19

Dizzycows, please re-read YOUR posting 33. It was you complaining that you could not claim anything. You were not entitled to claim because you were self employed so why make the posting to complain. There is nothing wrong with asking the Red Cross etc. for help if you had been that inconvenienced.



If, as you stated, you paid for your own operation, why the need to ask for payment for someone to come in and help, then turn down the payment for the stamp.



Not upsetting myself just trying to establish facts.



Have to go to bed now as work tomorrow at the Job Centre signing "the scroungers" and 1 parent families, if you need to know any facts let me know, happy to oblige.

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 00:38

Same old right wing clap trap from the same old right wing half wits - and one not so old . And the tax dodgers at the top of the pile are laughing all the way to the bank.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 00:45

coachie do you own cyprus property

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 00:58

Dizzy, I can't believe you were to young

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 00:59

Young single mums .



Start with the 13 year olds . Educate them by enforcing a rule that if they choose to get pregnant this will result in all not getting automatic housing benefits and housing .



Continue enforcing this in all schools on a regular basis . Zero tolerance .



This Would save Billions .



They then have a choice .



At present I do not have a choice my taxes contribute to supporting these single mums .

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 12:33

apc2010..Is it a rule of this board that you have to???



Dizzy..What about all the single mums who are not teenagers? An awful lot of those around.Then there are the professional working singl;e mums who expect and get child benefits as well as allowances for there child to be looked after when they are at work. True there are a lot of young teenage mums but htey do not get free council housing till they are 18 an then they get an empty house.They have to supply all the extras and that is not easy on £60 a week.You seem to think these single mums get £2/300 aweek.As for sending them back to there mums with there brood,come on Dizzy lets be realistic.I dont agree with some of the things that go on in the welfare system but you cannot change it without stopping it totally for every one. Perhap-s if parents took a bit more interest in what their kids were up to at night,instead of looking after their own interests, things might get a little better...

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 12:42

Bring back National Service.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 13:10

There is enough sex education around for teenagers and if they took note of it they wouldn't end up with a girlfriend and baby to support and that doesn't happen in all the cases, in real terms the girls get more than £60, free rent, no council tax, free dentist, opticians and prescriptions. They can afford to clog towns up with their buggies and meet their mates in the coffee shops, see it every time I go to my local town.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 14:06

When I lived in mid Suffolk, a low unemployment area, and suffered rises in Community Charge over a short period from £440 per annun to over £1,400 per annum I took the trouble to study the expensive, glossy, annual reports which came with the notice of new annual rises. It seemed to be self congratulatory propoganda of targets met etc but I could make accurate calculations from the detail of accounts of what income was derived from community charges, and paid out in rent allowances etc etc. It asked for comment regarding their performance. I replied that they should stop wasting money on glossy magazines congratulating themselves when it conclusively showed that only 2 in every 5 residents paid Community Charge but received benefits. The next year the account details were denied to the public, my Community Charge hit over £1,600 per annum, I sold our much loved bungalow which was to be our retirement home, and moved to TRNC.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 14:16

Oops, sorry, ref last "propaganda" too !

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 14:25

MMmmmmmmmm......

I don't pay for a TV licence here - thats saved how much????

I don't pay £100+ Council tax each month - thats saved how much????

I don't get penalised and fined if I put my recycled stuff in the wrong box/bin - another saving

all my fruit and veg is coppers for a kilo - Who much do I save on that???? (Very Healthy)

My tablets are extremely cheap here so I don't worry about paying for them

think I'll stay here they can keep my heating allowance - I have a fireplace and burn my rubbish, garden rubbish etc Oh and I have central heating and the diesel is cheaper here to

Now how much is that I have saved.

I can get a breakfast at Bells for 8tl - can't get that in the UK

LOvegod


Joined: 22/03/2009
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 14:30

Hey coachie I used to be involved with properties,lettings etc and believe me single mums are single mums because they choose to be they have received full instruction from their mothers (also on benefits) and the army of social workers that we have to pay for. As for 'they have to equip their houses' rubbish, they apply for and receive so called emergency loans . Naturally these are never repaid and the amounts paid for by increasing the council tax on working people. of course they rec full housing benefit , do not pay council tax themselves. yet they all have expensive mobile phones and aboyfriend(also on benefits ) who lives with them most of the time while he claims benefits on another property all paid for by the working class. Long live socialism. Ha ha !!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 15:12

Half a million people to lose there jobs ,thank god they dont read this thread in UK . Bad enough some here think its great ,they can now look forward to calling another 500k people 'wasters.'



The unemployed get £64 a week for 6 months, then ,if your wife has any type of job or you have savings you get nothing. You also get no help with housing if you are not in rented accomodation. £350??



I know is an unmarried mother ,a nurse, works 80 hours a week regularily and trying to do a degree at the same time ,and you sit there in the sun swilling your drinks and pass judgement.

Wonder what judgement she would pass on a group ,some of whom ,used an ethnic problem to buy cheap proprty , I include myself here,and unlike her, tax dodge and moan about maybe not getting a winter fuel allowance.

She will be one of those treating you when old age and ill health force you to sneak back to 'scroungerland',

Maybe the auxiliary spent some time as a waster(unemployed).

Disgusting eh!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 15:39

girne29, that sort of single mother is not what most of us on this thread have moaned about! She is one that probably could do with help and she deserves it!



This thread was about OAPs living in NC still receiving their benefits, and I say good on them.



I do not begrudge them their money and have stated how/what I would do about raising revenue to pay a bonus to them.....



LOvegod, exactly right, you have hit the nail on the head.. Dont know where coachie gets his inspiration or information from, it is a socialist talk..... sorry coachie, but just do not think you are correct in having a go at those lucky enough to live in the warmth 12mths of the year....

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 16:11

If you have paid into the system with the expectation of getting out of it that which you are legally entitled to.

where is the problem. Where you live should be irrelevent. Freedom of choice, if you prefer the UK so be it.

If you like to live in the warmer climes - ditto.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 16:18

i dont think you should be targeting single mothers, most did not plan to be in that position. I wonder if it were your daughter,what would you say to her? if it were mine (thankfully its not) but i would tell her to claim everything she can get.

I think its more the ones that claim to be single parents but actually have a partner who also claims from a different address or,he's working and he rents out his property.Then you have the ones that claim to be disabled or sick and are clearly not, some actually have a nice house and live abroad but return to the UK every 3 months just to keep their benefit. Then you get the ones who are working on the side. They are the ones cheating the system.

There are many who find themselves out of work who would love to return but it is getting harder & harder.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 16:21

Dizzy..Iget it from my grandson who has a girlfriend with a baby who has been allocated a council house.Personally I would not have kept pigs init and no work was done to sort it out except repair the front door,.The girls parents(both employed) my Daughter and her husband (both employed) and myselt (retired)all help out with bits of furniture etc.because she could not get any help from the benefits people.my grandson works for a large theme park operator and they will not state on his contract how many hours he has to work,why I do not know,must be exploiting aloop hole some where.Some weeks he only works for 1 day but they do not pay him for the rest of the week nor can he get any extra from the benefit people,who say he has a full time job.He now works nights in a supermarket shelf stacking to get some extra money.so you see Dizzy we are not all socialist scroungers.its old history about me and the heating allowance,pity you could not have seen the wind up.....

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 16:26

polly marples...true.but the NHS treatment is RESIDENTIAL based.You have to keep a permanent address here in the uk if you live abroad or you live in the uk.and just go to your property for holidays...

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 16:48

Hi Coachie .



Glad you are back (at least you debate )



Re the retired out in the TRNC .



Some of these folk probably do not benefit from the free optical/eye care.



Free bus travel .



Free NHS.



Free perscriptions .



Most of these folk have contributed all of there working life and are entitled to this heating allowance .

It is not as if this allowance will not be used towards the heating . TRNC can be really cold in the winter time and heating is essential .



These folk also do not benefit from the £25 extra per week that is given for extreme weather payment to Senior citizens in the UK. So retired folk could be actually saving the UK goverment in that capacity .



Electricity and logs are more expensive in the TRNC so again retired folk are justified to be entitled to this allowance .

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 16:53

I think all of us who have left the UK should be given a rebate of all the money we have paid in over the years and never used, ie National Health etc When i was in the Uk i never went to the doctor and i had a private dentist. We are saving them money by living abroad.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 17:09

Vonny .



Yes we should be targetting youn single mums . The UK has the highest teenage pregnacy rate, and the reason why is because they have everything given to them on a plate I agree with messege 67 it is a FACT they are given benefits but crisis loans as well which they rarely pay back .



The single mums who consistantly draw benefits have one child after another are leeching on the UK society and until these benefits are withdrawn along with housing and all the other freebies that are included, this element of society will continue to continue .

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 17:19

Very true Deniz 1 !!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 17:44

Deniz

The money you paid that wasnt used goes to pay for those needing above average treatment.

Like pensions or car insurance. The excess from my contributions goes towards the treatment of a child who has contributed nothing.

What if you had renal failure or a heart bypass. Would it work the other way, owe the NHS money as your contributions would not cover your treatment costs.



Also if you were able to get your NHS contributions back would you be willing to sign a contract never to step inside a NHS hospital again. A hospital is not built just for you to use but incase you might need it. Imagine you had a road accident ,how would you get to your private hospital.

A bit soon ,unless you are wealthy, to say you will commit to never using the health service.Should you have dementia,or such like long term health care.?



However I think once you can prove you wont use NHS ever by say giving up UK citizenship,then I agree you get a rebate for future treatment in NC.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 17:49

message 78 cont



Forgot to mention .I didnt need or want the Armed Forces to go into Falklands, Afghanistan or Iraq,can I get a rebate from my taxes that went on that part of defence budget.

I dont travel by train so a rebate for rail subsidy tax.



Doesnt work ,does it?

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 17:56

message 75



The UK also has the highest Termination of Pregnancy rate so what does that tell you!



Chris

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 18:41

I am a OAP, but I find it cheaper to live here than in the UK.

I did not know that the family allowance was paid until the 'kids' are 19 years old

i left school at 15 and my allowance stopped then.

I understood they had to go onto a training scheme and get an allowance - how wrong can you be?????

So now they just stay in bed and use the Fam Allow as pocket money - not need to work then?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 18:48

Any way coachie nice to have you back, even though you are an old socialist thought the Tory's had got you.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 20:36

Message 76, ....... "but crisis loans as well which they rarely pay back" . This is not true, it is a Crisis LOAN which is deducted from their benefit as soon as it is awarded. When they go to the Job Centre to receive this Crisis LOAN they sign to agree to pay back X amount per week over a certain period of time.



Maybe you are confusing yourself with a Community Care GRANT which is fairly difficult to get, its for vulnerable groups of people. There is also the Budgeting Loan which also has to meet certain criteria and is also agreed to be paid back over a certain time. It will follow you until it is paid back even if you start work and go back to benefits later on in life it will haunt you until paid back.



If you would like my opinion on the Crisis loan scheme(as it was my job for 7 months where I work now)it is a scheme that should have been scrapped as it is open to abuse and keeps the poor, poorer.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 21:04

coachie whats your opinion please on the french unions at the moment

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 21:29

Cyprus air soft..The people of France are standing up for their rights.Why should they have to carry the burden of a world recession and have there retirement age upped.Pity we dont take to the streets here to enforce our point of view.The French unions have a bit more clout than ours do because I believe it is part of their constitutional rights. They have far more people in their unions than we do therefor they have more political clout.I think Zarkozy will buckle in the end...



Dizzy ..did you read Darlatokats post.You see they dont get away with anything.You have a better chance of winning the Euro lottery as me becoming a Tory.Several Economists are having doubts about his review and he may have to back down on so9me of his welfare cuts....Dont get me wrong dizzy I believe these professional scroungers should be brought to book but it is goi9ng to take time and MONEY which he is trying to save...

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 21:42

to all of you who have responded to my post thank you very much,it has been very intere4sting to have such a good debate but if any moderator wishes to close it thats ok with me.Once again thank you all and good night.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 22:14

An interview on TV at tea time, a single Mother of 4 this is what she said, I get £37,000 a year in benefits, I don't have a bread winner the benefits are my bread winner, I am divorced (the youngest child she had in her arms was about 6month old)to work I would have to have a £60,000 a year job because I would have to pay tax, council tax, dentist, prescriptions etc., I have a disability so have a 7 seater people carrier on mobility allowance that is the only car I can drive.

In another report a woman had claimed £13,000 in carers allowance when working she has to attend counciling for 100 hrs (not community work) and pay £100 in costs. It pays to cheat, no mention of her paying the money back.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 09:03

I have not been to the UK for 7years and God willing i will never go there again.

hunkydory


Joined: 19/10/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 06:12

Easy come easy go is a very true saying and because the Government get all this money coming in from the taxed to death working person they throw it around like confetti.

It wasn't like that in the olden days. This country has changed beyond recognition in the last 50 years.



Shame is a thing of the past, as people were far more independent, and it was a matter of pride to stand on your own two feet and not expect to get something for nothing.

Money doesn't grow on trees, and every pound given in handouts has to be earned by someone else in the first place.



I can never understand the absoloute gall of many these days who are always going on about what they're entitled to. In my opinion, if they haven't earned it by effort, they're not entitled to it.

Ok that doesn't always mean they shouldn't get it, as maybe they can't get a job or whatever, but this word entitled is totally misused.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 01:49

I believe if you haven't paid anything in .....you should not be allowed to take it out ....

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 16:49

A very Merry xmas to one and all,and lets see if the Tories manage to stem the flow of useless money being paid to "scroungers,single parents.immigrants,legal or otherwise" in 2011.I VERY MUCH DOUBT IT.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 17:10

I doubt it too Coachie. Merry Xmas to you and yours.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 17:17

"I believe if you haven't paid anything in .....you should not be allowed to take it out ...."



That's what hookers usually say is it?

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 17:30

Not really up with rugby

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 18:09

Coachie.

Why are you only giving them 2011 to sort it out. After all Labour and particularly Brown spent 13 years @@@@ing up the economy.

Got to give them a bit longer to sort out the chaos left by that parsimonious Scots git.

Incidentally, gold is at a great price now, shame we have not much left to sell at a decent price.



Merry Christmas

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 19:32

It would appear Coachie has learned nothing in his absence. Labour left us with 1.5 trillion of debt and he expects the Coalition to sort it out in a couple of years !

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 22:21

The Banks were innocent in all of this then?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 22:36

Yes and who deregulated the banking industry making it easier for catastrophe to happen?

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/12/2010 13:15

clarets..your info is a bit off the mark.Labour did not leave the country in debt to the tune of £1.5 trillion.it is only £986million at the moment.We have been bankrupt since 1976 and the figure has just escalated by succesive governments.It is expected to rise by £169 million this year and there is no labour politician in site.So you see they are all as bad one another.We historically spend more than we can get in taxation so the problem is never likly to go away.I have paid my taxes just as you are doing,and I do not like where some of it is being spent, but not a lot I can do about it. As long as our politicians keep thinking we are some sort of important super power,then we will get no where. I believe in looking after your own first and fore most ,others if I can afford...not the other way round.



breezy boy..If he was that bad,then tell me who kept him in power for so long?????@

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
13/12/2010 16:00

That is why we should have proportional representation. Based on IQ then the votes of those who did keep such a brain dead chancellor and later PM in office so long would have less say. It is a pity Blair's book didn't say what Brown and Mandy had on Blair for them to stay so long. Or in Mandy's case stay, go, stay, go and stay again! What is the Lord of the Rings doing now by the way?

mrperfect


Joined: 18/01/2010
Posts: 400

Message Posted:
13/12/2010 16:52

dont know why you all bothered to reply............

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
13/12/2010 17:17

Honesty in politics? We have a new government! What have we ended up with? "Clegg the dishonest"

Good start!!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/12/2010 21:24

BREEZY BOY..you can bet your bottom dollar there was a lot of turn coat tories who were making mega bucks till things went bottom up then started yelling blue murder and blaming this useless chancellor.Then come the election they vote tory only to end up with a coalition,backed by turn coat lib/dems. If the lib/dems get a mp voted in at the next election Iwill be astonished.....