Is Stephen Day Right????

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 19:14

Stephen Day recently argued in his Cyprus Today column that publicity was not the way to solve the problems facing ex-pats. Demonstrations and internet/newspaper articles made it harder for organisations such as BRS and HBPG to negotiate with the TRNC government and gave great clout to the GC propoganda machine. He asked those affected to curb their perfectly natural desire to seek publicity and leave it to those who have he 'ear of government' to seek solutions. Now we have the news that a group of disgruntled home buyers have hired Max Clifford to stir the s**t.

Who is right - Stephen or the 'Max Clifford' supporters.

For myself I sympathise with Stephen's viewpoint. Publicity is a single shot weapon - it is useful as a threat but once you use it it's deterrent effect is hugely diminished. Also, from my experience of Cypriot Turks, you can push them a little - but push too hard and the conversation stops and all negotiation is at an end.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 19:31

JJ, you have obvious skills and experience that could be invaluable to expat groups who have been dumped on by the TRNC., Have you offered to help??

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 19:35

JJ, the serious negotiations to solve the problems never started.

Elsewhere someone said that if you buy property here you should do your homework and research the potential problems. If you keep problems from the international community I think you're doing potential buyers around the world a disservice. Mind you, you're right this method is good for TRNC business and so I'm sure that if you are a property seller, as it appears that the majority of ex-pats living here are, then keeping the buyer in the dark is what you would want.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 19:55

Great argument, don't complain. Just exactly what has the softly softly approach achieved with TRNC politicians to date? If it has achieved something then fair enough, until then they deserve all the publicity they get.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 20:04

My own thoughts on the matter mirror Mr Day's. Bluff, bluster and threats coupled with libellous remarks will not solve anything. All these problems have to be chipped away at with restrained negotiation. Make friends with the locals and get them to assist, we are adopted cousins of several and it does help after all it is about winning friends and influencing people!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 20:14

Maybe the 'D's' and 'G's' got mixed up!



Richard

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 20:18

islandgirl. my thoughts to its no good useing threats and libellous remarks .



Measey.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 02:00

max clifford would sell this mother ,,,, if you agree to live in a unrecognised country you take your chances ,,, that is why property is cheap ,,,,

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 08:24

Yenibob

Flattering but untrue - I cannot claim any special skills. Thanks anyway.

I do have a friend in the current UK government, but have already gained his promise to help and put him in touch with BRS and HBPG.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 08:41

APC There are also other reasons that properties in the TRNC are cheap. Low wage rates for construction workers in the TRNC being paramount...



The massive costs elsewhere (e.g. the south) do not reflect the land, labour and building material costs plus a reasonable profit margin... They are massively over-inflated and that's one of the reasons the south does not want a solution in exchange for the status quo... as their properties would be substantially devalued... They hold all the cards so why would they gamble?

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 09:52

The reason properties are cheap in the TRNC is because most of them don't belong to the people selling them.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 10:06

Blade. Get out of the rut and change the record.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 10:35

Groucho.....What do you imagine the profit margin to be on a new build?........(this should be good)

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 15:24

He can argue all he likes. At the end of the day the BRS should do more.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 16:59

In the building trade a 20% return is reasonable... in the UK it's much more likely to be affected by supply and demand in sought-after areas creating larger profit margins.... To sell houses in some of the poorer areas of the UK much lower margins are often required.



Here, although to some extent location and views come into play it's to a lesser degree... What margins are charged? Well it depends on whether the builder wants to shift properties... but they are still much lower than the south even though construction methods and costs are very similar.