For TCs only.....

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 18:09

http://www.facebook.com/feeds/notes.php?id=669559235&viewer=1041321172&key=b552fc3fa8&format=rss20

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 18:12

so are you going to translate for us non TCs

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 18:15

....too long and too sensitive Dave,ask google.

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 18:18

Msg 3... "....too long and too sensitive"

Where have I heard that before ????

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 18:24

didnt your chinese girlfriend used to say that tootie !

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 18:27

I never knew what she said dave, but she did a smashing chow mein

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 18:52

Good one Salahi, posting that on an English language forum! Google translator is incorrect and hard to decipher.

How's the leg? Can you get it over yet?!



Richard

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 19:15

There are alot of TCs here speaking english Richard.But for once it is not about Britts/ex-pats.

No,cant get the leg over yet,so I just lie down instead.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 19:24

yorgozlu, nothing new in that article but I read it and printed it so that I read it to my mother in law who keeps saying the same things over and over again.



The article is a list of bad things that came with Turks from Turkey.

ismet

cockneylondon



Joined: 07/04/2010
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 19:29

heavy reading a lot of thought must have gone into it

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 19:43

What if you was a Turk not TC? Or as AJ says CT

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 20:05

It's very sad when so many threads are based on racial stereotypes and disparaging remarks about ethnicity...



It's about time we all grew up and learned to live together without this constant need for self-affirmation based on our distaste for other races... don't you think?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 21:36

blinking heck grouch at long last, great pic. yes i agree we should all learn to live together. To take note of other countries who have been in similar situations.x

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 21:40

OOOOh tootie, lol

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 21:46

Groucho,

Bang on with the comment couldn't agree more.....

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 21:46

Groucho

You've lost all credibility!

Heard of mutton dressed up as lamb? You're more like scrag-end dressed up as mutton!

Get this pseudo photo off this board, where's Hippo?!



Richard

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 21:52

Learning to live together with other races is one thing.. Having your country forcefully filled up with individuals from another race & culture with the intention of making certain that TC's will always be a minority in their homeland is in my opinion criminal !

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 21:56

Message 17,

Guess you understand how we feel in the UK

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 22:20

msg 18;

Make your mind up please.Decide on what you want to be,English/Jewish.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 22:23

Message 18



You can't really compare the UK with NC, with a population of 55 million the UK is one of the more cosmopolitan country's of the world, the UK have a say as to who enters their ports, we don't have that luxury.



We are talking about a tiny community who have no control over their own fate, no identity & absolutely no future.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 22:24

Msg 19

"My Boy!"



Richard

mistress


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 22:33

Didums Stonehousepub, like they say to us... if you don't like it then leave like thousands of your countrymen.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 23:37

message 22



It is not a case of leaving or staying, you obviously don't and more than likely do not want to understand how the majority of TC's feel about what is going on in their country.



Maybe you should crawl back into your little shell and pop back out when you have something more constructive to say.



Posts like yours actually make me sad

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 23:47

Stonehousepup;



It takes a TC to understand a TC,hence the topic name.

mistress


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 23:51

Ethnocentricity rules eh Stonehose?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 23:56

Salahi

'Never mind the width, feel the quality!'



Richard

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:11

More of a reason why our leaders(?) should agree to some form of settlement with GCs where at least we have a real say in the running of our own federal state. Our towns and villages have become infested with ignorant, illitrate, clan supporting, ultra religious rejects from Turkey!

This is not a racist remark because I do not see Turks from Turkey as aliens, I support Turkish National teams in Football and Basketball, I have great respect for the Turkish History and the Republic of Turkey. During times of military or political friction I would fight or argue by their side to the end. But the breed of peasants we have to cater for in North Cyprus, are definitely not welcome by a great majority of TC population. They are a burden to our culture, hospitals, schools, city centres and even touristic resorts. We would welcome the educated professionals from Turkey but they aren't the ones who are crowding us. MOST OF THESE CHARACTERS REFUSE TO CALL THEMSELVES TURKS BUT BOAST AS BEING KURDS

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:12

message 25



You seem determined to twist & turn the topic, I am actually finding your postings insulting to TC's. First you tell me to leave now you accuse me of being an ethnocentric...



Do I sense some kind of bitterness towards TC's here ?

mistress


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:15

Yes, yes off with their heads! out with the Kurds, long live the TC's ( and educated Turks)!xxxxxxxxx

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:17

Bigoz



Could'nt agree with you more...

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:19

Msg 27

I'm not sure how to do this but I know it can be done.

BBC Radio 4, 'Assignment', a day or so ago talked about a split, divided Turkey. Very interesting and if you can find and post it I'd be very grateful. It'll answer a lot of rationale.



Richard

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:24

So true. I wish there was something we can do to prevent this from happening. We may be a minority in our own country, but if we carry on thinking this way we we loose only what we have left, We still exist! There should be a way to speak out, protest or something before it's too late....This forum will not help! The real trouble is that the people who control the NC are actually mainlanders!

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:25

so true to msg 27.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:31

i did say that in august x Im sorry yorg, im sorry fopr your people, but a very good friend jamel told me, they are in we are out. i dont want to beleive it. We all want the trnc to remain that x

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:34

Its Fiction, Just like a book.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:40

Lilli



Jamel was right im afraid x

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 00:52

Oh mighty Mistress! Since you are an anthropologist, I suggest you look deep into what breeds racism in societies! I am not racist but I am not a great fun of Kurds peasants walking in the middle of a road when I am trying to drive somewhere in a hurry! The bloody pavements in Girne are wider than the roads, but do they know what a pavement is for?

Few decades ago, we slept with our windows wide open & doors unlocked during summer nights. No one died of a car crush. If it happened once a year it was news headlines. Now you need alarms and security cameras to feel safe. Hndreds die every year in car crushes. On at least 3-4 occasions I was so furious with the way lorries and minibuses enter the new water roundabout at girne exit that I actually cut in front of and stopped the Kurd of an unlicenced driver for a verbal. On one occasion had it not been for my alertness and suspicion of the approaching lorry that entered the roundabout doing at least 60 km/hr, I would have been historory!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 04:00

Bigoz



Maybe the Turks should just go home ,and stop the handouts.Then see what sort of say you will have in a federal state.If you think a Federal state, run by GC's is going to pay for all the non jobs and patronage in the public sector in NC ,think again.The North will have to live in the real world,and hardnosed GC businessmen will not be willing to replace Turkeys tax burden with their own.

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 06:14

Stonehousepub Msg 17

Bigoz Msg 27



Seems you both have short memories. What would be the situation now if Turkey had not intervened in 1974?



Were those Turkish soldiers and airmen who died for your freedom ignorant and illiterate?

Lauvaine


Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 13:04

Well said Roxy Bob and Girne 29. Maybe if Turkey stopped giving handouts to Cyprus it could improve the lot of its own people and they could stay at home, be educated and get good jobs in local government like the Turkish Cypriots.

On a side note, could it not also be the increase in cars also causing the car crashes. Has anybody actually done a study to see if the crashes are caused by mainland Turks?

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 13:22

I do find it rather interesting to see the attitude of TC's to their mainland 'cousins'. On the one hand, happy to receive from the mainland the money that keeps the state afloat (and a significant percentage of TC's in 'employment' and pensions) and the security that is guaranteed by their troops. Yet on the other hand, they are content to portray mainlanders as illiterate criminals and moan about them coming to the TRNC where as far as I can tell, they provide the majority of the low paid workforce that builds the houses and roads that have made many TC's extremely wealthy.



Come on folks, you can't have it both ways



Just my opinion of course



Paul

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 13:26

Girne29;

You seriously undermine the ability of TCs don't you. Obviously that is how much you know!

You are asking about what say we shall have in a Federal state? Means you don't know how Federal systems run. I suggest you search and read about it on Internet. Comments about GCs paying or not paying the public sector costs are utter rubbish! Within a Federal system where a central government (made up of TC and GC members) has no choice but fund such activities

Federal North Cyprus state will not need "handouts" from anyone once TCs are allowed to sell their produce, tourism and the rest. As for the need for any Turkish or Greek businessmen to invest, have no fear! There are hundreds if not thousands of wealthy TCs living in UK, Europe, Australia, USA, all pining to return home at the slightest sign of an agreement

I agree, Turks should take their handouts with them!



Roxybob; Read next post please!

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 13:41

Roxybob;

No emotional blackmail will change the feelings of the great majority of TCs on this subject. So please stop refering to status my memory - It is as good as my computer's hard disk!

TCs were grateful for what the Turkish soldiers did in 74! It was supposd to be a fight to resist the extinction of the TCs. During the couple of decades prior to that, just as many if not more TCs died trying to exist! So the TCs managed to resist extinction by the GCs and now they should be driven out thair homeland by the mainlanders? Is that right?

How would you have felt if USA after the second world war brought in their capital, businessmen and even cheap labour into UK, Germany, & France and dictated what their international politics to them. To a point where more than half the UK populatioın decided to move to Australia, South Africa, New Zealand etc. Imagine then you had more yanks living and working in UK than the Brits themselves. After all they died in their thousands to save y

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 13:50

bigOz/Msg 42:



It currently appears that the TRNC 'Rich Club' favour the 'status quo' - they really don't like people who support 'Embargoed!', otherwise they would be backing them up with financial support!

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 13:53

We had some trouble with some mainlanders the other week. They came around and kept calling, harassing us and threatening to go to the police because we cancelled some fence work (before we had even paid the deposit) We told our builder about them who found it very amusing, turns out they are here working illegally and would be deported anyway if they went to the police.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 14:02

fiendishpaul;

As a guest in my country, & someone who clearly has little knowledge of Cyprus problem , I am not so sure you are entitled to such crude opinions. How many TCs do you know that have become rich from the construction of these roads?

You also have a very shallow interpretation of what you read. DO NOT twist what I wrote! I write facts as they are. I never called mainlanders criminals and illitratrate, but the Kurds from Turkey - YES, I will stand by what I said! They are nothing but a burden to our society as expressed before. Most are anti-Turkish and PKK supporters. Many are left overs from finished construction work, staying here illegally. Next time you drive to Karpaz, check out PKK slogans on the walls! In Magosa I have had arguments with workers who see themselves as PKK revolutionaries. As one said "we have become the dustbin of Turkey"

Tell you what! If you wake up one night with a knife to your throat while your home is ransacked, give the smelly bugger a kiss!

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 14:10

bigOz, I've just come up with an acronym for Turkish kURDS. Guess what it is. Only having a laugh ;-)

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 14:36

URDS?

Upper Respiratory Disease Syndrome?

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 14:38

Or did you mean KURDS - in which case

Killer Upper Respiratory Disease Syndrome?

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 14:40

take the T from Turkish and add what you said in msg 48. Only a sort of acronym and only meant in jest ;-)

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 15:02

Does any contribitor to this thread actually believe that Turkey is acting in the interest of TC's ? Yes they give us handouts, yes they provide us with security, yes they pay the salaries...



Has anyone asked themselves why they are doing this ? Why they are here illegally ? Why the peace operation in 1974 ? (which inccidently resulted in Turkey Being in recession for over a decade).



Are any of you aware that a great majority of Turks in Turkey see Cyprus as a burden aswell a major expense to the Turkish tax payer ?



Turkey does not give a toss about a handful of TC's !! Location Location Location....

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 15:26

message 41



Friendshipaul....



I think its important that if you are living in NC that you actually try & understand the Cyprus problem from the TC's point of view.



Firstly they are not our 'cousins' apart from the language we have nothing else in common, we are Cypriots and if you have been here long enough you should be able to tell the massive difference between the two cultures.



Secondly you qoute " we are happy to receive money from the mainland" and " a significant number of TC's are kept in employment " WHAT OTHER CHOICE DO THESE TC'S HAVE ?



Thirdly "security provided by their troops" What security ? They are protecting there investment nothing else..



Yes most of the mainlanders in NC are illiterate and are at the root of almost all crime committed in TRNC today, as some of the more civilised mainlanders would confirm.



They are assaulting the elderly, they are raping children, donkeys & sheep, they are robbing your homes ! CYPRIOTS DO NOT DO THIS!!

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 15:27

BigOz



Sorry, if my opinions appear crude, I didn't mean them to. However, just as i understand that Cypriots from Turkish descent are Turkish Cypriots, then I assumed that Kurds from Turkish descent were Turkish Kurds and like it or not, reside on the 'mainland'.



As to the difference between a mainlander and a Kurd - I must confess that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Put a TC in the line up and i would spot him straightaway - he would be the one jangling the Range Rover keys



As for the roads, well the simple answer is that without this essential infrastructure, everyone would be riding around in horses and carts



I could mention the PKK but that is a whole different argument.



Just my opinion of course



Paul

ceviz10


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 17:41

hi can you explain how I can put a new post on here please

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 17:54

Bigoz Msg 43



I agree with most of what you say and I Know it is and was difficult for Turkish Cypriots, but don't bite the hand that feeds you. I hope one day that Cypriots can live together and would like your opinion as how this can happen. I am just a person that really enoys living on this wonderful island of yours.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:00

Stonehousepub

Re message 52:

'I think its important that if you are living in NC that you actually try & understand the Cyprus problem from the TC's point of view.'

I would suggest that you have spent most of your life outside of the TRNC. I apologise if that assumption is incorrect but the use of 'TC's is incorrect. In the past all of my neighbours have chastised me when I have used that terminology because they will tell you that they are Cypriots first and Turkish second so when referring to your fellow people just have the respect to refer to them as CT's.

Regards

AJ

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:25

Stonehousepub



I agree with Alsancakjack. But as I have said previously what is your solution?

brend


Joined: 20/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:28

Cavis10

if you look at the beginning of this post you will see" post new topic" click on there.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:35

friendshippaul;

No offence taken mate - it is just a sour subject... Just like you telling the difference with the TCs I can tell the diference between an Kurd and a Turk, from a mile. There are questionmarks about their ethnicity in the first place. They have at least three different types of Kurds with three different languages. The Kurd in Turkey would not be able to understand what the Kurd in Iran or perhaps in Irak say! There never existed a country called Kurdistan in any history records or books. Western historians invented that and encouraged / supported Kurdish terrorism in Turkey, Turks know very well why. No historian has shown any written proof of - their arguments have always been based on assumptions and presumptions - ethnicity and origin of Kurds.

The problem here is our cowardly leaders in Cyprus who are blind to facts and very interested in filling their (or their relatives) pockets, do nothing about these "surplus to requirement beings" for fear of upsetting Turke

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:53

Peoples attıtude towards thıer self-gaın never faıled to dıssapoınt me.

What WE are sayıng and what you are suggestıng are 2 complete dıfferent things.None of US have actualy saıd anythıng about beıng enemıes to Turkey,nor not wanting to do anything wıth Turkey.We are more then grateful of what Turkey has done ın 1974 dough common sense also tells me that they should have been here at least 11 years before ıf the ONLY ıntentıon was to SAVE US!However,they came,done the job,saved US ans stopped the GREEKS from takıng control of the whole island and be ın control of everything Turkey could or would DO.

NOW,

ONCE AGAIN,

Why are there stıll 40.000 Turkish troops here,

Why have we got all those turks/kurds here,to the poınt that they are now more then US(INC SETTLERS)

Why do they stıll brıng theır own people over to work here,when we alredy have enough as ı

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:56

........gratest works ın lıfe are the ones that had been fınnıshed.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:57

RoxyBob;

I hope you are about to understand the plight and the frustation of Cypriot Turks.

The Greeks have threatened us to be a part of Greece for many decades. We fought this off and started to claim the best alternative of two bad scenaros; "Partition", if South was to become part of Greece. During 1963-1974 we lived in enclaves and kept ouır identity as Turkish Cypriots who had just as much right to this land. But our young and educated could find no work or future here. A mass exodus started to Australia, UK and to a lesser extent to USA - to a point where the average age in Turkish Cypriot enclaves were well above 40! Those who remained survived God knows how, but they did and some of us returned back to join them for the love of this island. Now we are again facing extinction by a surge of capital and labour from Turkey who has left no breathing space for the Turkish Cypriot. Solution? A federal state run by the TCs in partnership with GCs. Simple as...

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:59

AJ,

No dısrespect to you,but,ıt ıs NOT for you or any other none-Cyprıot TO DECIDE ON THAT ONE.

WE ARE TURKISH CYPRIOTS,forced out of our homeland for a reason at the tıme.

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 19:23

Msg 59, i agree with you. All the help Turkey gives and everything done for the island is all done to reflect back to them. They don't think about the cypriots at all, The island and it's people are used and abused for their Turkeys own benefit!!! If I were safe enough, then i would no complain but they have destroyed the good sides of the island!!! We do not share the same culture with them! We have cultural differences and you need to be a cypriot to see and know that. That's what makes us different like it.



Friendspaul, we are not cousins!!! if you think we are then you really do not know the difference!!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 19:32

DNA the lot of them!



Richard

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 19:38

yea if you look in to the history of your DNA, you'll find that your history will take you to adem and eve! So it is culture that divides people!

orkun


Joined: 07/10/2010
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 19:49

cheapest universities, cheapest buildings, and you are looking for good quality ppl?

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 19:54

It's not buildings that make good quality people, it's living peaceful, happily, without destroying the enviroment. That's what makes good quality living, and it takes good quaity people to manag that!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 19:57

"surplus to requirement beings"



This thread just gets lovelier and lovelier....

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 19:57

mSG 66



OMG we are all inbreeding!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:11

msg 69;

"This thread just gets lovelier and lovelier...."



It's because Britts/ex-pats once again stuck their nose in where it is NOT wanted.



>>"surplus to requirement beings"<<



Unfortunatly,we ar not yet!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:11

Yeah some seem to inherit the chip-on-the-shoulder gene...

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:21

We don't do exclusive threads here, if you want them you'd better post somewhere else. If you start a thread be prepared to defend your arguments without rudeness and with some element of common decency.



BTW Racism is not an element of common decency... and you don't need to shout, either.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:22

orkun; "cheapest universities, cheapest buildings, and you are looking for good quality ppl? "

WTF! Cheapest Universities? Where? - They are as cheap as the diplomas they issue!

Cheapest buidings compared to whose income? How many public sector young workers can afford to buy a house if they were to get married tomorrow? That being aside, at todays prices, it would cost as much as the house to furnish it. Have you seen the prices new furniture lately! While Unis, hotels and all the rest avoid it like a disease, workers actually have to pay crazy electric prices for hot water and heating! God forbid they decide to buy a car as well!

BTW those who use the cheapest Universities abroad include the spoiled children of many wealthy mainland Turks, who could not enrol in one of the beter ones in Turkey and need to carry on studying for a Uni diploma to avoid serving as a private in the army!

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:24

Who's we???

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:26

Big Oz. I love your last paragraph!

ceviz10


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:36

thanks but I keep doing that and it keeps telling me its not enough

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:38

if your write only one word, i don't think it allows you. Write more

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:40

Sal

Re message 23:



'AJ,



No dısrespect to you,but,ıt ıs NOT for you or any other none-Cyprıot TO DECIDE ON THAT ONE.



WE ARE TURKISH CYPRIOTS,forced out of our homeland for a reason at the tıme.'



I did not 'decide on that one' It was my neighbours that have stayed on the Island through thick and thin and I respect them for it. With all due respect to you I am sure you know how CT's think about those that left the island before and during the troubles and those that lived in other countries that were not even born in Cyprus that are now returning to the TRNC to claim it as their homeland.

They may be TC's but believe me my neighbours are Cypriots first and Turkish second.

By the way you owe me a beer.

Take care

AJ

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:41

Be ceviz10; what is it you are doing? I just put a new post by doing that. Are you sure you are pressing the right button. Try returning to home page and click on the "Post new topic" button!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:44

AJ;

Little off subject'

The cast came off today,pins are still in.As soon as they are off will buy 2,1 4 u,1 4 me.



Take care

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:47

Alsancakjack



message 57



No need to apologise, yes I was born & brought up in the UK and have been in NC for the past four years.



Sorry I was not aware that I have been disrespecting my fellow people buy referring to them as TC's, wish you had mentioned it before ! I feel so humiliated ;))

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:52

Msg 80

Ceviz 10 is being obtuse, she has posted and replied before, asking the same question on many other posts. Another nutter!



Richard

Lauvaine


Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:00

I am very saddened to read some of the comments written by certain people within this thread. Of course, this is a Cypriot country and it is up to the citizens of this country to decide what happens here. I love living here but am beginning to feel that foriegners are not welcome. I am sorry to say this, but it would seem that the majority of recent wealth within this country has come from foreign money. Shouldn't Cypriots be welcoming more of this.

I would also like to say that, in my opinion, most racism starts when people are unhappy with their lives and look for a scapegoat to blame. Are Kurdish people really that bad? Are they to blame for all the problems of Northern Cyprus? PLease remember that there are good and bad in every race.

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:09

You are right msg 84, there are good and bad in every race, i agree on that but, the subject is about Cyprus and here, mainly it's the uneducated part of mainlanders who enter the country. Of course they have good and bad like every other race does but unfortunately we get the bad ones coming into the island.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:12

Well said oceana;



Lauvaine; Kurds are not a race! So technically one cannot be "racist" against them!

Lauvaine


Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:19

Big Oz. I believe Kurds are a race and I believe some people are very racist towards them.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:23

oceana

If you have not done so already I would suggest that you read 'The Turks In Cyprus' by Ahmet C. Gazioglu. It covers the period 1571 to 1878 and in particular read appendix 1 entitled 'Translation of the Firman ordering transportation of people to Cyprus' Dated at 21Sept 1571.

You and others may find it interesting.

AJ

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:36

message 79



AJ



I think your neighbours should be more concerned about how many TC's - CT's, brits etc will be leaving this island if things carry on progressing in this way.



We are already 50% less in population than we were a few years ago, they should also be grateful to TC's living abroad who have for 40 years pumped cash into NC way before their was a Brit or Turk in sight.



Everything in NC is geared towards mainlanders, the TRNC goverment is making it more & more difficult for Brits, UK TC's, USA TC's etc to be of benefit to the TRNC because we will become a threat to Turkey's plans if we multiply and rise as a majority.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:42

The Kurds that I have anything to do with have been honest, decent and hardworking. When I was at school [ I shan't say how long ago!] the area of Kurdistan was described on the political map in a different colour from Turkey. Their Ottoman rulers have rode roughshod over the Kurdish people for far too long, denying them the right to speak, or be taught, their own language in schools, or even to dress in their national costume. I am no PKK sympathiser,since the PKK took their terrorist activities outside Turkey, but there is no denial that the Kurds have been cruelly suppressed and exploited - including by Cypriot Turks, or Turkish Cypriots, whichever is 'politically correct'.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:46

Stonehousepub

'I think your neighbours should be more concerned about how many TC's - CT's, brits etc will be leaving this island if things carry on progressing in this way.'



No different to any other country, my neighbours rely on mainlanders to provide them with an income by doing work that CT's do not want to do and that is no different to what you were doing in the UK.

I have spoken to a few London TC's that are 'refuse technicians' or 'cab drivers' (legal or otherwise) so may I ask what you did back in the UK and why you moved back here?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:48

Msg 90/Cont'd:



As much as I respect 'bigOz's' knowledge, and as much as I sympathise with his genuine concern about the insidious 'Turkification' of KKTC, I feel it only fair to challenge him about the xenophobia that CT's/TC's harbour against ALL foreigners and their successive governments' racist policies [completely out of line with EU & UN norms], which continue to ensure that they are increasingly alienating themselves towards the 'outside world', if only they would realise it.

ceviz10


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:51

how dare you call me "a nutter" you nasty person!

your one of those people who dont believe in

helping ther people arent you!

Im new on here but with people like you

on here.I doubt I'll be on here for long.

i THOUGHT THIS WAS A FRIENDLY FORUM

ceviz10


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:58

THAT LAST MESSAGE WAS REPLY TO MESG 83

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 22:04

Tenakoutou

If you talk to Cypriot Turks they will tell you that they appreciate what the Brits brought to the island in respect of education, law, health care etc. The majority of (if not all of) Cypriot Turks respect Brits because of that legacy. I have other thoughts on this subject but I will not post because I know it will open up a can of worms.

AJ

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 22:10

message 91



AJ



You first make assumptions as to what I did in th UK then you quite nicely put forward a question to which you have previously assumed the answer to..



Sorry but I do not see the relevance to the topic.. Therefore do not feel obliged to answer your questions

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 22:22

Stonehousepub

I have made no assumptions about what you did in the UK. I was making reference to London TC's that I have met and the jobs that they do. If you are too embarrassed to tell me what your previous job was in the UK then no problem. The crux of the matter is why did you come back to the TRNC?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 22:40

salahi



yasemin kokulari kayib oldu ,malesef oyle ....elveda kibris elveda.



i understand why you posted only to turkish cypriots ,only a turkish cypriot understands how we feel,no disrespect to any others ,i am sure there are many things i would not feel as an english man would .



it,s not about racism it,s about how we feel.





musin



long live the kktc

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 23:03

AJ



Please CTRNC ;)



I did'nt "come back" I left the UK to live in Northern Cyprus because I believed it would be a much better place to bring up my child.... As you know nobody really speaks English in the UK anymore.



No I am not embarrassed to tell you what I did in the UK just cannot see the relevance, no individual should be embarrassed or ashamed of how they earn a living unless it's illegal of course. As CT's say "even a prostitute has pride".



I set up my first business 19 years ago importing italian shoes to th UK then shortly after that opened up a retail unit called la'rucci in bloomsbury specialising in gents italian shoes and things just moved on from there and since got involved in a variety of businesss mainly retail before going into the music promotion business where I was organizing concerts with big name stars (Turkish) in Turkey, UK, Germany etc.. Great fun but didnt work well with marriage, so sold on the promotions co in 2000.... tbc

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 23:09

.... not that it is relevant....



WE describe ourselves as KIBRISLI TURK(work it out for yourself)



Who started to refer to us as Turkish Cypriots(TCs) or Greek Cypriots(GCs)...............

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 23:09

I then formed a security firm with a greek Cypriot partner and begun to provide my ex promotions company with our security, we went on to personal protection & one on one..... Then sold my part of the company to my GC partner and shortly after moved to NC...



Now you know why I could'nt be bothered to answer.



Have I got a date now ?

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 23:17

message 100



Salahi



You are right KIBRISLI TURK . The first time I have ever seen us been referred to as TC's is on this forum.



Then I get told buy one of the staff admin that it is not TC its CT.... lmao

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 23:31

Stonehousepub;



I may not always be right but I'm never wrong.Ralph "Sonny" Barger.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 01:28

Lauvaine;

A race is a distinct population of humans distinguished in some way from other humans. The most widely observed races are those based on skin color, facial features, ancestry, genetics, and national origin.

Before you look up any online dictionary and give me a diluted definition , note that many social scientists believe common race definitions have little taxonomic validity. They argue that such race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, and that the races observed vary according to the culture examined. Some scientists have argued that this shift is motivated more by political than scientific reasons.

Turks are a race, English are not! Chinese are a race, Greeks are not! Native Indians are a race, Americans(USA) are not... etc.

(Note: by Turks, I don't imply simply the citizens of Turkey or Cyprus who are more of a mixed race thanks to Ottomans, but over 200 million Turkic speaking people spread out from Eastern Europe to Xinjiang in China!

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 01:55

"If you talk to Cypriot Turks they will tell you that they appreciate what the Brits brought to the island in respect of education, law, health care etc. The majority of (if not all of) Cypriot Turks respect Brits because of that legacy." quote





in which year 1955. 1963 or 1974 please answer aj, or 1878...

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 02:25

Schools 120

Teachers 608

Enrollment 18,220



for all those t/cs in 1976 , the brits arent' all bad ....

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 11:23

A.J./Msg 95:



I don't want to 'open a can of worms', either!



Suffice it to say that I've only been in Cyprus for 30 years, so I have conversed with both Cypriot Turks and Cypriot Greeks on a whole host of subjects.



The consensus of opinion that I have gleaned over the years - but much more lately - is that the 'locals' want our money, but not us.



I guess their message now is: 'While the aircraft is circling over the runway at Ercan, or Paphos/Larnaca, please throw your wallets out of the louvre windows in the toilet - hosgeldiniz Kibris - now p1ss off back to where you came from!'