Owning property in the north, where do you stand in the south.

dobbo



Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 15:45

Legally what could the greek cypriots do to you if admitted to owning exchange or TMD titled deeds property in the north, when you were in the south. Has anybody been asked at the border any awkward questions by the greek cypriots as to where they are living in the north, and what would you say if you were asked.

coffer


Joined: 13/02/2007
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 15:59

No one knows, is the answer, There are plenty of views depending on which side of the divide you are on, but the truth is they are all guessing. Ask again after the negotiations, which start on the 3rd Sept, are completed.



I have been travelling over the border for a number of years and never had a problem.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 21:28

they did pass a law, which if i remember correctly was the punishment was up to 7 years prision. i'm not sure of the wording of the charge but i do remember the sentence because it was very steep. they did i think charge a russian woman last year with being involved with the sale/purchase of former greek cypriot property. it was in the papers, i don't remember the out come.

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 21:39

Just don't ever be seen with house brochures, contracts or anything to connect you with property in the TRNC.



I have never had any problems in the South but have heard that some people have been detained and susequently missed their flights.



I think fire starter is right, I also remember reading something about up to a seven year sentance. Not heard of this happening to anyone though.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
25/08/2008 21:51

Cherie Blair and the Orams

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 21:27

if you have a turkish pre 74 title deed they have no problem with you. we took ours with us to the land office for reference and they were ok with it.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 21:39

I agree with fire starter. GC authorities don't have time or inclination to ask individuals what kind of title deed they have. They will assume is is "stolen" land anyway, as that is what most expats have bought. Socially, it can be awkward if you're out in the south and a waiter or barmaid asks you where you live. Again, they are likely to assume you are occupying their land. However, if you can assure them you have pre-74 property you can become something of a celebrity. It's saved me a few quid anyway.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 22:28

animosity runs deep in the south ,whatever land you have bought,

something you don,t find in the north.







long live the kktc and all who live there.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 22:33

You can hardly blame them, Musin. How would you feel in their shoes?

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 22:40

If you happen to be in the South and someone asks that question, simply say that you are a tourist.

The G.C. police/customs at the 'Crossing Point' ( OK MARKY? XXXX) look at your EU passport and wave you through. I think that at times they have become so bored that they do look at the place of birth on the passport. In my case it is Singapore and they become most interested. "That is somewhere I would love to visit" I have heard a few times. "Is it as lovely as they say" is another one.

When I have used my Irish passport, they are thrilled and tell me where I can get a good pint of Guinness in the South and that they would LOVE to come to Ireland, it is their dream. "It is so green" they say. (Caused by the Fec--' IRISH rain)

I did attempt to use my Singapore passport once as a bet ( Only for a wee bit of Craic you understand) on one occasion and all Hell broke loose.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 22:48

Morally justified, If I had bought on land that I had been assurred had been legitimately exchanged, by The Government,Judiciary, Advocates, Estate Agents, Builders, and I had no reason to think otherwise...........Like , I suspect the majority of homebuyers in The TRNC.



wyn

Holidaymaker.



Soon I believe my position will be legitimised.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 22:56

wyn



is that an efes i see in your new picture ,odd "looking good" by the way.





musin

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 23:08

Hi Musin,



Lost me on that one mate!



Effes was good, Donkey Ribs excelent..........me terrific.....training for 24/9



wyn



E&OE.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
26/08/2008 23:58

hi wyn

i just didn,t think you drank effes ,as for donkey ribs love em,,,,,,,,,24/9 you will have too cut back.





musin

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 07:54

Eric.

You can hardly blame them, Musin. How would you feel in their shoes?



If I was in a GC’s shoes, I would feel shame and humiliation that my government created this situation and has lied for the last 34 years.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 16:14

troodo

i am in their shoes ,we have property and land in the south ,the land has been partially built on illegally and a greek family live in my mothers house ,anomosity ,no .

turkish cypriots are more forgiven than greek cypriots.

musin

long live the kktc

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 18:52

Re message 7



Tongue in cheeks again, Eric. That speeding ticket must have really peed you off!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 19:55

Frontal,



You can't have eaten out much in the south if you've never had an awkward moment over where you live. I just tell them straight: "Look, I wouldn't do a thing like that." I know it's hard to believe on a TRNC forum but I do represent the moral majority and I'm not alone; I'm probably just the most outspoken.



As for the speeding ticket. Come on - would they do that when they see a warrant card? TC cops love BritPol. Not that I was speeding, you understand.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
27/08/2008 21:37

susanne



we don,t want your money ,thanks . and yes we have been approached to sell ,but no thank you.i am sure we will survive,but thanks anyway for your

concern .we have the north now and when we are allowed by the rest of the world we will rebuild it .



long live the kktc

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 01:06

I was talking to a Turkish Cypriot here who said he remembered a lot of TC's were placed under enoumous pressure in many cases to sell their land to GC after the intercommunal violence before 1974. He mentioned cases of TC's receiving death threats and having their animals slaughtered to force them to leave and sell. I suspect most probably got less than it was worth at the time probably thinking their safety was more important than property. If they knew Turkey was going to intervene securing their safety many would not have sold.



This also places some of the circumstances of GC land ownership in the North before 1974 under a moral cloud.



I think it would be interesting to study exactly who owned property in Cyprus from just before the British took administrative control of the island until 1974. You could then trace the percentages of privately owned TC, GC and foreign owned land.



Aussie

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 01:41

Yes a TC told me a similar story of how when his father died, his mother was approached by the GC's of the village and handed passport applications for Australia. A small sum of money was offered for the land owned by the TC family.



They returned many times putting pressure on the recent widow. She declined and the family continue to live in the TRNC. Many of the other villagers accepted the offers according to the TC. He did say that on some occasions very large sums of money were offered.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 08:58

In 1929 TC's owned 61% of the land and composed 51% of the population.



On some boards, mainly GC’s, it is stated that Greeks have always vastly out numbered Turks on this island. This does not make logical sense; Cyprus is only 40k from Turkey, a distance that some people can swim. I have also been amazed to hear that Turks only came here when Britain imported them for cheap labour. What about the four hundred years that Turkey governed Cyprus? Perhaps they imported Greeks as cheap labour? Now pull the other leg, it has bells on.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 09:38

I spoke to a TC in Famagusta. He told me had a gun held to his head by a GC and told to sign over his property.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 10:00

Eric/Susanne

Do your own homework and try and then try and prove me wrong.

The second part of my post should put you in the right direction.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 10:33

Eric/Susanne

Now you know how we feel when you come out with your garbage.

These sastistics are accurate, but whatever I say you will never except it.

Try looking up the census for the Island 1929.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 10:41

ILC: "I spoke to a TC in Famagusta. He told me had a gun held to his head by a GC and told to sign over his property."



Happens to me all the time. Cyprus is full of liars and fantasists.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 21:32

ilc msg 26

it was common place ,when that was taking too long they tried ethnic cleansing

but we must not talk about that,its a bit like don,t mention the war to the germans.



have a nice evening mate.



musin

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
28/08/2008 21:38

Hi Musin



That's right we shouldn't mention it. PP has stated on another website that we are all in denial on this site. Of course, he is far too moral to have any blind spots in his psyche.



you have a good evening too mate

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 23:27

Its very simple we have this half and it easier to barter when you have what they are bartering for. Dasaklari varisa come and get it.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 13:20

lots of the property pre 1974 was unregistered.

hence how can any figures either from the north or south be correct regarding the ethnic origins of the owners? there is no proof of ownership.

cheekycabbie


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 17:00

reading these posts and being quite new to the site,i agree with troodo maybe if england hadn't left the island for a free for all the gc's wouldn't have had the opportunity to do what they did.



I also feel that people who have bought land from the people who were allocated the land shouldn't be penalised as the government gave this land to the TC's and either the TC's that sold the land or the government should be liable for compensations, if compensations are due as these people are the ones who have sold the land.