no help from trnc goverment for home aution victims

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:18

just relieved by email from facebook group http://tinyurl.com/3a96mob



or for non facebook users below



http://tinyurl.com/3248dtp

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:23

Surely they could declare the 80% interest per quarter charged on the mortgage to be usury and thus illegal!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:31

O you who believe, you shall not take usury, compounded over and over. Observe God, that you may succeed. (Al-'Imran 3:130)

Turkish Cypriots may be moderate Muslims, but surely an appeal based on the Koran must gain attention.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:40

very disappointing

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:41

just more false promises, give hope ond day, take it away the next .

DeaconB


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 15:53

The Government deficit has nothing to do with what is inhuman treatment of these people. What is happening is either morally right or morally wrong, even before you begin to look at the criminally extortionate interest rate. Government ministers have a foot in this bank otherwise they would act, this latest decision seems to be straight out of the Gary Robb guide to fair business ethics. The Turkish Government must be looking at this fiasco and looking at these ministers and cringing, no wonder their purse is closing fast.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 16:10

Inhuman is correct, they have no ethics, no morals, no respect for human life, how low can a Government get! how low can a Country get! I hope "Homes from Hell" are reading this thread, despicable, the only other words I can think of would get me banned!



Some victims have been to Hell and back, and still they sit in their ivory towers and do nothing! A Banana Republic is to to good a sentence for any of them!

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 16:53

"Homes from Hell" have been sent all the press cutting and some links to the story

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 18:45

Did people really expect any form of support from the TRNC Government? Have they not had more than enough time to make positive changes and respond to peoples demands for legal safeguards to be implemented? Did they ever take any form of constructive action to support those conned out of their homes from Gary Robb? What have they ever done to make people think they are a proactive caring Government that acts when fraud and corruption is so evident? Was their Property Complaints Office Effective? What exactly have they ever achieved?



In my opinion the TRNC Government is part of the problem. Why the HBPG and others continue to put faith in "working alongside" Government officials is beyond me. When the Golden Goose has laid all its eggs, (when the housing market is on its knees) will be the day they actually admit, reform and intervention is necessary. Until then they will continue to feed from the trough.

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 18:56

I find this appalling, those poor people and no one is doing a thing to help. Well I don't know the answer to your question (msg 9), what have the present government done?!

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:03

mess 3 Muslims are not permitted to borrow where interest is payable that is haram itself,therefore Muslims tend to go to a muslim bank where a mortgage is calculated without interest, so really Vaughn,it.s the other faiths that are being ripped off,as for the muslims well they should have known better!!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:09

http://desktopapps.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/northern_ireland/newsid_9044000/9044388.stm

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:12

I agree with Bradus on this one although I think the housing market is already on its knees. Unfortunately the trough is fed from many sources and still contains enough to feed from.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:12

http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers.com/2010/03/14/new-eu-anti-fraud-and-corruption-system-launched/id=004474

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:14

http://eu.greekreporter.com/2010/03/01/london-property-tycoon-achilleas-kallakis-charged-with-61m-fraud/

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:15

msg 15 is from the 'doom n gloom' land.

Want more,let me know,I have some spare time.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:19

couldnt resist this one.



http://missoldinvestments.blogspot.com/2009/04/turkish-investment-property-fraud-goes.html



.........from the country that was supposesd to be protecting and showing 'us' the right way.



F*****g love it.

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:37

yorgozlu

do you live in trnc??

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:41

LordJim;



I do I do I do I doooooooooooooo,though some (mmmmmm) dont think so.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 19:55

He does, I do, you don't!



Richard

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:02

perhaps we could meet to dicuss how you can help the people in this sorry tale ??

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:17

The more I read what these clowns have said the more I despair. They have no clue to what they are talking about. The interest rates depends on many factors like:

a) Interest given to deposits

b) Compulsory fixed percentage deposited with the central bank with zero interest

c) Rate of bad debts

d) Length of time it takes to recover debts through the system i.e. courts and the auction through the Land Registry Office.



Thus the government can do a lot to improve the above conditions and help bring down the interest rates but what they have to do urgently is to limit the total interest accrued e.g. the ratio of maximum interest to original debt not to be more than say 2. I do know that they cannot legistlate retrospectively but a) they should not waste another day to do it now and b) twist the arms of the banks to reach a workable settlement for the past problems.

ismet

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:22

Ismet abi;

Is not true that max amount a bank could charge must not be more then 5 times the amount borrowed inc the borrowed amount?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:27

Re. thread title:



Not the brightest of statements to broadcast to the world, methinks!



Condoning an outright fraudulent scam and backing it to the hilt - come on, this isn't Zimbabwe, is it?



Hello, '5 Wise Men'.............................

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:27

Thanks for the links Yorgozlu,



Its good to hear that the EU are looking into the many property scams in Europe and Turkey and its being forced due to public demand to act and investigate. When the Irish MP was discussing property fraud in Turkey, why did I get the impression they really meant TRNC?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 20:37

Bradus;

I am glad you had noticed that,however failed to notice one another important part that it is an 'Irish MP' doing the discussing property fraud in TURKEY (wink) being the MOST important part. wink



Why did he feel the need to mention Turkey when it is about TRNC?



I hope to live long enough to find few people that knows where I'm coming from.



So far........no such luck.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 21:01

msg. 23

Yorgozlu,

I did explain the matter before previously somewhere on C44 but can't be bothered to find it.

In a nutshell:

1. In the past the parliament authorized the Council of Minister to limit the maximum ratio of interest divided by the original debt.

2. The coucil of Ministers in their infinite wisdom passed on this authority to the Central bank.

3. the central bank limited the ratio for TL to 4, later made it 8, then 10. For foreign money this ratio was 1, then 2.

4. somebody took the matter to the constitutional court arguing that the ratio of 10 was exorbitant. The constitutional court ruled that the council of Ministers could transfer their authority to the central bank providing they put an upper limit on the ratio which they failed to do. Thus they considered the transfer of authority unconstitutional. The net effect of this decision was the exact opposite of what they wanted. To this day the government has not acted. The High Court Judges that I spoke too are all in despair.

ismet

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:08

Were all dooooomed, man the lifeboats set a course for the Uk land of plenty and a free house to boot

And i promise i will never knock the uk government again, coz if i was being ruled by this lot of crooked inept sh*te, namely the TRNC government i would hang my head in shame with embarrassment..

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:11

Blackpoolfan wrote:

"i would hang my head in shame with embarrassment.. "

Now you know how I feel.

ismet

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:12

......says the Jewish..........in msg 28!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:18

Ismet abi;

I too feel ashamed but not prepaired to take any sh*te from a Jew who has only bought here because it is 'cheap' but dont like it now that he found out about the 'risks'.Not just one property either,somehow!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:30

Salahi

Jews, per-se do not buy land, they prefer to rent or lease long term which dates back from centuries of persecution and exiled from many Lands. Maybe it's an insecure mentality thing!



Richard

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 22:41

Message31,

Where did the Jew bit come from???? I am British and love a bacon butty.

You don't know me so refrain from personal insults and get off your TRNC high horse, You dont have to take any Sh*te it is my personal opinion of your crooked government. What is "Risks" is that Turkish for fraud???

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 23:11

Yoz,



Your racist tendencies are to the fore... you really ought not to flash racial epithets about so readily when you don't even know if they have any semblance of truth. Çok çok ayıp!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
03/11/2010 23:41

yorgozlu (mess 31)



What blatant ugly racism! I now know where you are coming from, so will keep far away from you in the future!



Groucho ( mess 34)



Whether blackpoolfan is Jewish or not really doesn't matter! what matters is the utter raciest element of yorgozlu's post!



I am not in the least raciest, but without a doubt the TRNC Government is not worth anyone world wide taking a risk for, anyone thinking for purchasing anything in the TRNC, all I can say is THINK, THINK and for God's sake THINK again!

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 01:53

Groucho Message 34,

cok cok ayip (Shame on you) I will stick to the "cok" bit myself as that is what the man is, appart from being an out and out racist, out of order and no need for the racial insults.

Hopefully that will be the end of it as he has developed a trend in that he will spout his crap and insult the British buyer's and label us all greedy fool's and then when it comes on top he does a vanishing trick only to pop up on another thread.



I am all for healthy and light hearted banter and discussion but with this guy its "My way" or the "Highway" So the crux is this Mr Yorgozlu i for one am getting bored of your rants and i am sure i am not on my own, but i will of course stop short of throwing racial insults at you, after all that would be childish, and offensive don't you think????

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 03:05

msg 33;

Why do you take being Jewish as an insult?

"you are Jewish and love bacon butty" is how you've described yourself on this very forum not long ago.



As far as the 'sh*te' is concerned,if you cant take it,dont give it either.



anyone wants to trace the thread,it is about 'eating pork'...........I cant be bothered with the person.But certainly not going to let him get away with INSULTING my country.

If you dont like my country,f**k o*f back to where you came from,is what springs to my mind that I was often reminded of whilst in UK........

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 03:41

Always be yourself, because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind, don't matter!!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 06:06

All very interesting but spare a thought for the poor folks at K5, trembling at every car in the street, opening

the door to the bailiff accompanied by a LAPTA POLICEMAN to ensure the summons is served. These are

real people who have committed no crime being treated like criminals, the stress is KILLING them.



Here's another thought, how did GIRNE police get Pauline's phone number if not from Lapta Police who had it because of the complaint she made about KURSAT TRYING TO RUN CHRIS OVER. They didn't use it to tell her the outcome of their investigations, but strangely GIRNE police used it to summons her in on the day they

confiscated her computer (which they still have). Guess who showed up in the room she was in that

afternoon - you got it - the Commander from Lapta Police. Where's the air freshener.

That will teach her not to waste the police's time.!!!!!!!! Before you say TURKCELL, the phone she uses was

not bought in her name.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 07:01

READ articleby Pauine deals witht this thread start OPINION

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
04/11/2010 07:04

IF PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE THE BANKS - THEY MIGHT GO TO LOAN SHARKS



hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



stop it - You Couldn't Make It Up.



Out of the mouths of babes and politicians.

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 09:03

whilst it has oft been said the law is an ass some politicians do a good job of looking like one as well.

mistress


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 09:38

msg 39



How did Girne Police get Paulines number? possibly from her residency application?

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
04/11/2010 09:44

Of course Girne Police would ask Lapta police if they had Paulines number, I don't see why anyone should be surprised at that, the same would happen anywhere.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 01:25

Message 37,

I would suggest you are an INSULT to your own country without my help

So if you dont like my country then as you put it "Fu8k Off back to where you came from" In your case is that the UK or Turkey???

We live in a democratic state not sure if the TRNC government would know though?? but anyway you have the right to voice your opinions of course, i hope that one day you find someone that actually agrees with them

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 02:00

No help for all those people being ripped off, why is that???? Because the governmemt is as bent and crooked as the rest they haven't got a clue...............

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 06:29

Why can't they confiscate everything the builders have - that would stop the scams.



Our builder Cafer Yucelgazi has left people in Karsiyaka with unfinished houses for over 5 years via Ca Sa - he too has mortgaged land there and has left the people in Karsiyaka in a mess with no building permit, no electric, no roads, sub-standard properties. He started building my house nearly 5 years ago and in 2008 he walked away from it, put all his assets into other names so that he cannot be touched and he now has a business in Nicolsia building properties and is now a REGISTERED builder (which he was not 5 years ago when he did this). When I asked how he got registration at a HBPG meeting I was told that no-one had made a complaint against him??????????

Any builder who puts his buyers in this position should have their assets (in what-ever names they are in ie wifes, sons etc) confiscated - the government could sell them and pay off the mortgages and keep the rest to improve standards

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
06/11/2010 18:52

Hildy,

"Why can't they confiscate everything the builders have to stop the scam"



Could it be because they ate tied into the scam? Otherwise why would they not change the law to make property purchase safe?

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 15:56

Could it be because they ate tied into the scam?



indeed indeed