Festival turns into war zone as migrants and nationalists clash

Troodo


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Message Posted:
06/11/2010 18:23

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/



Looks like a leopard never changes its spots.

I hope the EU takes note – but I won’t hold my breath.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 11:58

Perhaps I should have used the heading, TC singer stabbed in stomach others ran to the police for protection and told to sod off.

I notice the Cyprus-mail is very quiet about the story today - government pressure maybe.

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 12:03

Surely this is a one off isolated case, the UN and the EU are sure that once the island is as one again all will live together in peace and harmony, as a nation of friendly Cypriots.

A bit like Ireland I suppose.



Can anyone pop round to help me get my tongue out of my cheek please.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 12:32

A one off, you have to be joking - watch this space.

andre514


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 13:49

yrret,



is your tongue really in your cheek terry?



the irish republic accepted peaceful partition in the good friday agreement



andre

yrret


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 13:57

And not a single incidence of sectarian violence since eh andre?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 14:16

Dear Yrret



and your 'solution' is to isolate idiots from each other by making the VAST majority of peace loving folk suffer.. GREAT !



Dear Troodo



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/seven-charged-and-released-after-friday-s-violent-fracas/20101107



The CY Mail is any thing but 'quiet'on the incident

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 14:26

For those of you who would like a more reasoned 'explanation'



KISA http://www.kisa.org.cy/EN/index.html is an organisation the helped me and Veta attempt to combat the non compliance to the right of non EU family members to settle in CY - to live, and to be able to work - like any EU citizen



It seems that the newspaper is saying KISA deliberately moved their anti-racism event from Limassol to Larnaca to 'counter' the Nationalist ( anti-immigrant groups )



If that is the case it was well-intentioned, but may be a bit naive...





As with any Nationalist group - it seems to attract a someone narrow-minded section of opinion - whereby anyone not of your 'tribe' should go 'home' :(



So... those of you making out that this is a GC 'trait' *may* be suffering a similar simplistic mindset ? ..

Troodo


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 14:43

Sorry mm. The article was not there first thing this morning.

yrret


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 15:16

re: msg 7 - Au contraire Mark.

I think the best solution would be do do what the EU et al rarely do, and be democratic.

The *solution* should surely be to, in time, hold a referendum.

The trouble is that the EU/UN, both too weak to face the real world, will likely fail to recognise the outcome, unless it is of course what *they* want.

No solution will however prevent the *potential* of a future recurrence of the sectarian problems of the past.

If you think anything different, read a few posts on that friendly south forum which has a number of contributors who would happily return to the days of grenades on school buses etc.



Whilst the political rhetoric will condemn, and the Police will *be seen* to be investigating, I will wager that there will be no-one brought to account for attempted murder.



Can anyone recall seeing anything similar to this carnage in NC?

andre514


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Posts: 763

Message Posted:
07/11/2010 21:23

yrret,



you are quite right if you are suggesting that there is still great antagonism between the communities

and as regards violence, well it obviously sputters on, we are by no means out of the wood yet



the point I was making was that the republic has for now at least recognised northern ireland...

as a territory it does not constitutionally plan to take over by arms, by pressure, but only by agreement



it is said that when the ira realised they were not able to force the issue they agreed to power sharing,

I think the greek cypriots would do well to learn from this real-world experience!



despite my comments I have no opinion on what "should" or "should not" happen in ireland or cyprus,

since as is well known there are at least two sides to every story



andre

rowlo



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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 21:45

funny how both got into the EU aint it ?

andre514


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Message Posted:
07/11/2010 21:51

mark message 8:



you are well-advised to use the phrase "narrow-minded" and many agree that is all it amounts to



however, the question may go far deeper than this:

ie., to what extent does racial bigotry permeate greek cypriot society, more than this ruckus suggests?

...normally any liberal-minded eu sympathizer would answer something like "hardly at all, i'm sure"



but then, as I'm sure you have argued from your personal perspective before, forced enosis and the

sinister threat of ethnic cleansing the turkish cypriots, ie pushing them off the island during 1963-1974,

this was the work of barely a few hundred racist idiots, while the rest of the gc's

many of them goodhearted towards their muslim neighbours I'm certain, just sat back and watched



with such a history,

will the cypriot turks ever willingly place their security in the hands of the greek cypriots again?



well at least we will know either way, and fairly soon I'd imagine!



andre

Ozankoyman


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 10:16

As a Turk visiting Southern Cyprus I have never felt safe.I have encountered many a disheartening incident for me to feel

otherwise.

But I have observed the Turks are so hospitable to visiting Greeks.

The events in Larnaka should be taken heed of!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 10:57

OH BROTHER... it never ceases to amaze me how we 'let' the actions of a small section of extremists become "great antagonism between the communities" :(



From the words of a TC who is friendly with the injured guy:



" Other T/Cs have contacted the police and took refuge in police

stations and such while Sertunc and one more musician decided to pack up

their equipment and try to leave by their own car."



The important bit:



"Nevertheless, we should all be clear that the main target were the

immigrants and not Turkish Cypriots."

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 11:11

To be clear: the TC musician and a friend were attacked while loading his car by a bunch of 'brave' trouble-makers .... who also attacked a young lad who had nothing to do with the event.. his skin was the wrong colour.



What is worrying from THIS statement from facebook, is that the Police seemed to 'favour' anti-immigrant scheduled demo, and resent KISA for moving to Larnaca ( originally scheduled in Limassol ) knowing this would inflame things..



http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=8550294225&topic=14939

Biker



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Posts: 396

Message Posted:
08/11/2010 19:24

There is a saying in Turkish, which is



"Domuzun kuyruğunu 40 yıl mengeneye koymuşlar, çıkarınca yine eğrilmiş."



I will translate this for you who do not understand Turkish. As below:



"They put the tail of a pig in the vice for 40 years , but when taken out out it was still bent."

LordJim


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 19:40

see the video here http://tinyurl.com/2w5752w

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 19:50

Once again, iit is a shame the actions of a few, give the opportunity to argue that the many are the same...



We can't let a few morons influence us.. or 'they win'...

andre514


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Message Posted:
08/11/2010 21:48

Mark



It is a shame you have not taken the opportunity to deal with my central proposition...

that the moronic few led the silent minority by the nose in 1974, who allowed it to happen



Were that the 300 activists who pushed for a takeover by the Colonels' Greece

operated in a vacuum, unable to sow poison seed on fertile ground:

instead provoking the landings as a direct consequence when the uk refused to help



How much happier your Greek Cypriots would be now,

and you'd be saved the effort of pretending false hopes in stalemate and 100-year leases



Andre

StGeorgeI


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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 10:29

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4679goto=newpost



G

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 11:07

re msg 21 >>It is a shame you have not taken the opportunity to deal with my central proposition...



that the moronic few led the silent minority by the nose in 1974, who allowed it to happen <<



It is a shame you don't read your history book, Andre514...



HOW many GCs lost their lives fighting the Greek Military Junta inspired coup ?



>>Were that the 300 activists who pushed for a takeover by the Colonels' Greece



operated in a vacuum, unable to sow poison seed on fertile ground:



instead provoking the landings as a direct consequence when the uk refused to help <<



Thanks, for neatly demonstrating your *total ignorance* of FACTS...



1/Do you know how many Cypriots ( the vast majority being GCs ) died fighting the coup than at the hands of the Turks?



2/ Did you forget that the UK was going to blockade the TR invasion fleet - until Callaghan got a call to 'back down' from Kissinger ?



I'm sure you just 'forgot' somewhat pertinent data as it is 'inconvenient' !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/11/2010 11:15

(cont) from 22.. quoting andre514 :



>>How much happier your Greek Cypriots would be now,



and you'd be saved the effort of pretending false hopes in stalemate and 100-year leases <<



'My' GCs ? ... Most of the info I posted - which came out in the public domain later - is from 'My TCs' !!



As ever, andre514, your 'attempt' to belittle my input as 'irrelevant' through 'bias' has failed.. miserably..



I have two simple questions for you.. Are all Germans Nazi sympathisers and are all English football hooligans..?



Should 'we' base their feelings on the actions of a minority ?



Events like this naturally, bring out the 'doom merchants'... What is important, now, is how the 'rump' RoC deal with this incident.

Biker



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Posts: 396

Message Posted:
10/11/2010 00:12

mmmm



Same old political talks. !!!!!!!!!



People are a lot wiser nowadays I am afraid.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/11/2010 17:35

This is a KISA video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlXk4ogvrY4&has_verified=1



You'll need to sign in to youtube to view it



What it clearly shows is that KISA supporters blocked the progress of a march of 'nationalists'

( Fascists)



Now whether you understand / support the IDIOTS with their Greek flags - who need to brush up on EU laws re immigration and asylum seekers or not - moving the demo from Limas(s)ol to Larnaca to DELIBERATELY confront them - and even block the route wasn't 'wise' ..



You can see the police try to keep the sides apart but as with the UK - when the fascists met the anti-nazi league - trouble ensued.



Things seem to cam down, and then someone throws a water bomb into the KISA crowd and 'round two' starts ( 10:22)

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/11/2010 17:44

So what are you saying mmmmmm ? KISA is at fault? the video I saw showed a pathetic and inept RoC police force for sure, how about the singer that was STABBED? lucky he is alive it seems.