Solar Powered Swimming Pool Pumps

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 09:16

Given that your swimming pool pump is probably your biggest consumer of electricity we are looking at supplying and installing solar powered swimming pool pumps with a payback time (at current -excuse the pun - KibTek rates) of 4 to 5 years.

This is at the normal domestic rate and not at builders rate or similar. For those unfortunate enough to be paying these outlandish rates, payback will be even faster.



The work will involve changing the pump and modifying the controls as well as installing a photovoltaic panel to drive the pump.

Budget price of conversion for an 8x4m pool - about 3,500 pounds sterling.

info@octopuspools.com

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
29/08/2008 16:30

Hi Vaughan,



sounds very good, hope you do well with it.



David

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 09:49

Thanks David,



Already have 2 very interesting enquiries, one from a large communal pool complex.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 12:57

Vaughn

do you have any testimonials we could look at or point me in the right direction please ?

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 13:45

Take a look at the following link:



http://store.altenergystore.com/mmsolar/others/BADUTOP12.pdf

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 14:47

Hi Vaughan,



should be good, will save money in the long run at least.



David

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 15:41

thankyou Vaughan

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 16:15

hi vaughan



very interesting development, but would the costs of £3.5k include the battery storage indicated in the link, or would this cost be only for solar power with no back-up power storage facility? So, on a dull day no pump?



What would happen during a cloudy winter when a pool will obviously require less, but still necessary pumping operation?



I'm not being negative, I think the ideas excellent, but there are so many factors to consider.



For example, would any battery storage be costed for Lead-acid, Lithium Ion, or Lithium Sulphur which now appears to be the most efficient and lowest cost alternative?

Currently PV panels appear to only have a lifespan of 5/7 years in existing installations before they either fail of suffer greatly reduced efficiency.





Way to go yet! But an excellent start!



Fancy a joint business venture?





rob

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 16:31

http://www.etaengineering.com/pool_pump/intro.shtml

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 18:30

Budget price above is for pv solar panels(s) and pump, only. Batteries are not considered necessary as in TRNC we average 300 sunny days a year (or so goes the tourist blurb).



The sun rises in the morning and it gets dark at night. The pump needs to start in the morning and run 'till the night. - Match.



Pools need most pump circulation during times of hot weather, bright sunshine, high water temperatures and long days - thats the very time when the pump will run longest and fastest, as during the summer we have long, bright days. - Match.



During the depths of winter we have dull, short days, but low water temperatures - this is the time when the pump will run the slowest and for the shortest time, but it doesn't need to do more than that in winter anyway. - Match.



Consequently, we might conclude that the daily and annual variation of the timing and strength of the sun matches very closely the demands on the pool pump, hence no need for batteries.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/08/2008 23:01

Hi Vaugh,



I am just in the process of having a 10x5 pool constructed.



I am interested in this product. How about a deal?



What would you charge me to install AT THIS POINT in time. with the possiblity of



using our pool to demonstrate to your clients?



wyn

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
31/08/2008 11:15

Hi Wyn,



We have several customers who we are building pools for at the moment and we will probably be doing a demo type deal with one of them.



If you are still interested, I will carry out a survey and quote you accordingly.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
31/08/2008 11:34

Hi Vaughan,



We are staying at The Ship from 24/9 for 8 days. I would be delighted to take you to do a survey if you would care to contact me. Our villa is at Esentepe.



Contact



John Cooper c/o The Ship.



Cheers,



Wyn

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
01/09/2008 14:13

Hi John,



Would be very happy to do a free, no obligation survey and quote.

Please jog my memory closer to the date and we can meet up.

You can always get me on 0533 845 8494.



regards



Vaughan

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 18:03

Hi folks! Hi Voughan, I know you are in touch with peter here are a few infos:

The solar pumps have been already imported to cyprus years abo by us, cyprus was one place where these pumps were tested by LORENTZ years ago before they were sold thousands for rural watering in africa etc.



For installation examples please feel free to visit our references site. More information and correct pump sizing see our downloads section under LORENTZ pumps. Also for well pumping.

For people living in the alsancak - lapta area. give peter a call and have a look at the latest installation just completed with a 8x5 pool with badutop ps600. Hes working there on a eco friedly house with all solar etc.

His telly under contact.



Regards, greeting from cold germany

Henrik

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:01

Hi to all;

I wanted to announce some price changes. We have done some hard calculations and dropped the price of a DIY Solar Powered Pool Pump SET to 3555 Euros. Included are 4 x European made 180Wp Solar Modules, one Lorentz Pool Pump (German) an maximum power point controller and 50m of solar cable (UV resistant - made in Germany). This is an unbeatable price, even in UK - Germany you would need to pay the same or little more for this Set. The installation is quite easy - but you shuold have a knowledge of pool pumps and pipes. The photovoltaic connection is easy. The offer is displayed on our website, please visit: http://www.kibsolar.com

If you want to see some of our references, also pool pumps and more, please click: http://kibsolar.com/content/eng/references.html



Go Green and benefit!

Sunny Regards,

Henrik

AGD Solar Trading Ltd. - Kibsolar

Contact / Questions / Dealership enquiries welcome!

pp@kibsolar.com / hp@kibsolar.com

dizzy


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:08

Before deciding on this you should consider poweryourlife's power systems. For the price of this, they could supply power to the pump and most of the house

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:24

Hello, Dizzy? What are you up to? Please do not pull down postings of which you dont have any clue off (obvious!). If you are selling photovoltaic systems which will power the pool pump (1000W for at least 6 hrs) and most of the whole house, for 3555 Euros, then I really wish you good luck for your business (or is it for charity?) ..

What has been posted is so unreal, that I dont even want to argue about. Good luck! Welcome to all new customers.



Go Green and Benefit!



Sunny regards,

Henrik

AGD Solar Trading Ltd. - Kibsolar

Contact / Questions / Dealership enquiries welcome!

pp@kibsolar.com / hp@kibsolar.com

dizzy


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:38

We do know what we are talking about, just suggest customers check first

ginty


Joined: 11/03/2009
Posts: 228

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:49

I have a swimming pool in the uk and I have fitted a stretch of black pipes that connects to the original plumbing. It works as the sun heats the pipe work and it works brilliantly, and as you know there is not as much sun in the UK. If anyones interested I can find out if the supplier will ship to TRNC

SidsPinkFloyd


Joined: 01/09/2008
Posts: 69

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 20:13

Ginty



Not sure how that will run a pump?

Vaughan - whats the score with a salt water chlorinator?

Keith

Hatty


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 260

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 23:24

Kibsolar, I have a 10 x 5m pool how big an area of solar panels would I need to have to power the pump?

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 01:03

Simon, what you are talking is nonsense.

you do mislead the customer on purpose, dont you? or do you lack the experience to calculate systems, especially "grid-feed" and off-grid" solar PV and wind systems in combination with a generator back up.... or eg about pumping systems?

to say " ...for.... that....they could power the pump and most of the house...." is an INSOLENCE.

we take your comments as a personal offence as it implements that we are selling our system far too expensive.

we, kibsolar, are known to offer best value for money and we can prove that as well.



The essential difference between you and us is that WE have a TRANSPARENT policy, YOUR website http://www.poweryourlife.co.uk/index.php says ...nothing, except promises.

Peter

Hatty


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Posts: 260

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 01:28

Peter, What area of solar panels will I need for a 10 x 5m pool????

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 01:38

hatty,

for your pool our monthly offer would be just right.

approx 5,5 m² of polycristalline PV modules and a solar DC pump.

to be seen at http://www.kibsolar.com

thanks

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 02:03

To see a picture for size comparision please click here: http://kibsolar.com/content/mix/images/refs/images/solpump1.jpg

For an reference overview: http://kibsolar.com/content/eng/references.html

Good night to all of you!

Go Green and Benefit!



Sunny regards,



Henrik

Hatty


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 260

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 02:09

Peter when you say 5.5m2 is it 5.50m x 5.50m (approx 18ft x 18ft) or 5.5m2 (8ft x 8ft)? Also does this track or not?

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 09:49

SidsPinkFloyd,



A chlorinator needs quite a lot of power, approx 2500W max, and this is more than the pump consumes. It also needs to run for 12 hours plus per day in summer. This will probably be too much for the panel which Henrik has sized. It is also an alternating current device and PV panels produce direct current. An inverter would be needed and this would make it a very expensive installation. If you have mains available but want to save power, go for a solar powered pump in conjunction with an Aligator system which only needs to run for half the time of a chlorinator and consumes much less power when running.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:24

its around 5,5 squaremeters (eg 4 x 1,30 meters or 3,3 x 1,65).

for your pool size no tracking is needed (as long your pool is not in average 3 meters deep)

the monthly offer "DIY- set" pumps in summer, @ 7 kw/h insolation per day and @ 4 meters vertical lift, approx 100 tons, so, no tracker needed, as long your pool is net 9,5 x 4,5 (overflow, isnt it) most probably in average 1,5 meters deep and add 10 tons for the balance tank, comes to 75 to 80 tons.

A tracker i would recommend for a bigger pool. tracker DIY cost approx 1000 euros.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:51

msg 28

we didnt say that "the whole pool equipment" as lights, chlorinators or alligators and so on are running with solar power with our pumping system.

and we just want to make clear that NO other DC loads can be put on a solar runned pump system.

additional systems must be separated and need to have their own energy calculation to be correctly sized.

as the sun is not shining constant, eg an alligator would need to have a "controller" if you wish to run it from solar direct, which is not available for an alligator (?)

vaughan, you always "complained" that our " NECON chemical free water purification for pools" are so expensive.... but it takes only 5- 10W) , saving in comparison to a "chlorinator" a fortune, lets say 6 hrs in average per day = 1200 euros per year, at least .

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 11:08

Hi kibsolar,



I only ever "complained" about the cost of BUYING the Necon system not running it. Compared to an Aligator, which we supply and install for 850 pounds, it is still very expensive to buy. Aligators only consume a similar light amount of power as the Necon.

We no longer promote chlorinators for the very reason you mention as KibTek electricity is so expensive these days.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 19:25

i know Vaughan, it was a joke.

but....sometimes buying costs are not everything....



and KibTeks electricity will never be as cheap as it is today!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 12:50

Just as a side note, did you know we can supply solar powered air conditioning using an absorbtion chiller? The unit requires some electricity but only a few hundreds of Watts to power the controls and pumps.

These units are not cheap and the capital cost will take some payback time, so probably only suitable for those off-grid and with deep pockets.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
02/08/2009 16:53

Short notice: The Photovoltaic modules went down in price, so we are passing this price difference on to our customers. From 01.08.2009 our new pricelist is valid. Please delete the old one if you have one.

Pricelist vers.02 web version (easy load) -> http://www.kibsolar.com/content/files/PL2009/PL2009.htm

Pricelist vers.02 pdf file (2.25mb) -> http://www.kibsolar.com/content/files/2009AGD_PL.pdf

Special offer August: DIY Solar Pool Pumping Set incl. Solar Pool Pump + MPPT Pump Controller + 50m Solar Cable + 4 x 185Wp Photovoltaic Modules = 3555 €! -> http://www.kibsolar.com/



Have nice Sunday, regards

Henrik

http://www.Kibsolar.com - AGD Solar Trading Ltd.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 12:55

how bigs the solar panel vaughny

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
05/08/2009 23:14

please see posts no 25, 26, 27 and 29.

*****************************************

short: approx 5,5 m² of polycristalline PV modules

To see a picture for size comparision please click here: http://kibsolar.com/content/mix/images/refs/images/solpump1.jpg

For an reference overview: http://kibsolar.com/content/eng/references.html

Good night to all of you!

Go Green and Benefit!

Sunny regards,

Henrik

goofyfunk



Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
06/08/2009 00:56

Is it true that the goverment is goning to introduce a annual tax for any one that owns a swimming pool in north cyprus , and how much will it cost, does any one know ? many thanks.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
06/08/2009 08:46

There is already a tax on pools. It is part of your annual property tax and currently it isn't very much.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
09/08/2009 00:45

BTW: Photovoltaic products are only taxed with 1% This is how the government tries to push renewable energies in TRNC.

Regards, Henrik

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
09/08/2009 07:10

Hello mr Kibsolar if we are only taxed at 1% then you are a very very greedy supplier i can buy pannels considerably cheaper than you supply them.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
09/08/2009 20:46

Hello Mr. Hippo! Thanks for your constructive criticism. I would not say that Kibsolar is a "very very greedy supplier" Kibsolar payes all its taxes here in TRNC and the company is registered - but we try to be as cheap as possible and offer highest quality products. Please tell us and also the people here on the forum, where in TRNC you can buy photovoltaic polycristalline panels, (made in EU??), "considerably cheaper" than from Kibsolar??

As Kibsolar we have supplied all TRNC competitors with photovoltaic modules in the past and we do still supply most of them. Please be so kind and share your source and arranged Watt peak price so we can all benefit from this information.

Thank you again. Have a nice evening.



Regards, Henrik

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
10/08/2009 16:38

I didn't say here in the TRNC, what you said was that there is only 1% duty payable on panels.



Cost of 60watt panel in Izmir 260 euros. (Sharps



If yours are only 1% more than that I apologise.

Over to you.

PSI can by the way produce the receipt for the ones I bought.

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
10/08/2009 17:50

You may wish to look at this site



http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/104980436/PV60_SOLAR_PANEL.html

250 to 270 euros.



Now that is the price paid in Turkey, if you imported them direct from manufacturer then no duty payable in country of origin and only 1% here in TRNC makes good sense.

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
11/08/2009 15:37

No answer then kibsolar?

Hippo


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Message Posted:
14/08/2009 15:02

Cat got yur tounge then Mr Kibsolar

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
14/08/2009 20:43

Hi Hippo, not at all. Thank you for your kind comments. We were off to an installation an a bit of holiday in karpaz, you know how bad the internet connection is. Now to our subject

First of all, it is NOT possible to import from Manufacturer directly to you - here in TRNC. This just does not work. (You need a company, distributership etc etc..) Anyhow. If you had checked our website and had a look at the module prices, then you would have noticed following: We sell a EU made 225Wp panel for 798,75 Euros. This equals a Wattpeak price of: 3,55 Euros.

Your example of a SHARP panel for 250 Euros would result in: 4,11 Euros. Also the sharp module has an bad temperature coefficient which would result in an great efficiency loss here in HOT TRNC. Please feel free to ask your questions we are glad to help you. For your reference - our Pricelist: http://www.kibsolar.com/content/files/PL2009/PL2009.htm

As you can see, this Solar Pool Pump offer is a GOOD offer!

Best regards. Henrik

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
14/08/2009 20:50

Just to get it back in mind, what this is all about :

Special offer August: DIY Solar Pool Pumping Set incl. Solar Pool Pump + MPPT Pump Controller + 50m German UV resistant Solar Cable + 4 x 185Wp EU made Photovoltaic Modules (740WATT Peak in total = Worth 2627 Euros !!)

Offer Total: 3555 €! -> http://www.kibsolar.com

loslobos


Joined: 02/04/2009
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 00:08

Too expensive, get the payback down to 2 years, you might get some takers.



Cheaper to put a Polypropylene insulated pool cover on.

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 05:38

$675

Please follow link the Hippo rests his case



http://www.wholesalesolar.com/products.folder/module-folder/REC/SCM_225_wp.html

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 03:34

REC!! Panels - sold in USA and probably manufactured in china. thank you for resting your case and your valuable contribution to the forum Sorry Hippo, this is not comparable with the panels we sell. I am offered solar panels for 1,65 Euro Watt Peak, but this I dont (cannot) sell to my customers. So, believe me or not, the EU modules offered are not comparable to the stuff you search on the net and find with alibaba or others. Anyhow, thank you again for suppling your sources.



@ loslobos: I think you misunderstand something as I offer a solar powered pool PUMP. The polypropylene pool cover is not comparable with a solar powered pool PUMP. Cover - for heat and dirt protection - pool pump for circulation. Payback 3-5 years depending on the usage of your "normal" pool pump.

This offer is a fair deal.

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 04:53

Since when has Scandinavia been in China?



Are all your products manufactured soley in the EU? or asembled in the EU,? no parts from the Far East?



I am sorry if the truth hurts Mr. Kibsolar but you are not the only supplier in the world of quality solar panels.



Too long have some traders here in Cyprus used the excuse of embargoes, customs, army etc to make unfair profits from the populace.



I do and will continue to do make people aware that goods can be found elsewhere and at a much cheaper price.



I am a great advocate of alternative energy, if only for green conscience, but there are as many hypothesis that solar power is not economical and the manufacturing processes and disposal of batteries is as harmfull to the environment as there are hyphosthis for.

No doubt your products are of good quality, I am very familar for example Rolls Batteries, an excellent product but there are other suppliers.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:40

Mr Hippo, there are always "other suppliers" and I dont use any excuses. Why should I. The price is much more than fair.

Especially good solar batteries, as rolls, are recycled to more than 90%. Modul parts are beeing re-used, there is a second hand marked for silizium scrap. I doubt that you will find goods elswhere for "much cheaper prices". The examples you show where first more expensive, then you show REC modules, which are sold in USA - incl. good US Dollar exchange reates - but still you need to pay the transportation to TRNC and GKK payı and custom clearance. Then you face a price again from 3,60 Euro per Watt. But no support or simmilar- maybe per email or expensive phone calls to USA. Hipppo, you are free to "show" people here on the Forum where they can buy things much cheaper. But at the end it comes to the same or even more. You should accept this. We also offer service and advice, which we are glad to share also with you.

Have a nice weekend

Hippo


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Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 08:54

But you told us that it was only 1% duty !!!

kibsolar


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Posts: 552

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 02:43

Hippo, just for a try: Buy your own stuff, dont smuggel it, bring it in to TRNC, pay all costs, add a companies running costs procentual to the price, and then please post the real WP price here on the forum so we all can see what you have payed and how the price develops. AS I said before, this price is much more than fair and your argumentation that you find cheaper modules in USA or where ever just does not count. I am cheaper than Sharp modules from Turkey - message 42 - and probably at the same price as REC modules from Scandinavia sold in USA. As you said in message 42 you would apologise if I was cheaper than "that"!! - I accept your apologises. Forget about it. To your question regarding "Duty" - please note following:

I said in message 39 - they are taxed with 1% - meaning VAT = 1%. The VAT does not include transportation, GKK payı and others. You must have been confused. Good night, have a nice weekend.

Best regards, Henrik

Hippo


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Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 07:30

http://www.power4home.com/index.php?hop=taa200



Have a look at this, there is an alternative

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 09:58

Power4home says: "You can build a very nice solar power system for as little as $125. All the parts you'll be using can be found at your local hardware store."

Yes, I can remember, I saw all parts at IMMAP and the other DIY shops on the main road.



This is an alternative? Anyhow Hippo, lets see what comes next. I can remember reading about car engines (OTTO) working with water. Was this true?



Hippo, please post some realistic "alternatives" and no dream catchers. You cant just build for 125 dollars your own solar module. Anyhow, I rest my case. No more answers or discussion in this direction as you are resistant against all arguments. This thread is about Solar Pool Pumps - any questions regardion Solar Pool Pumps will be answered. Tank you all readers and sorry for bothering you with this ongoing texting..

Have a nice weekend

best regards, Henrik

Hippo


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Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 14:06

You continually stone wall any argument which is against your marketing strategy.

So as a final parry give me a price for a 60watt solar panel in Cyprus.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 16:28

As I said before: You are free to try and buy whatever you want. Even this power4home book for only 49 dollars and build your own powerstation - which will lower your bill by 80%!!. Go for it and then please write about your experiences. Also write about your experiences which you obtained during the process of bringing in this goods to TRNC. I dont think that you can call this "stone walling".



No final parry: I dont sell 60W panels. Much to small for me and my customers purposes. You might find them in the web - turkey, güneş pili or solar-baazar.com - my panels start with 180W up to 245W.

This thread is for Solar Powered Pool Pumps and the special offer for August 2009 is 3555 Euros.

Special offer August: DIY Solar Pool Pumping Set incl. Solar Pool Pump + MPPT Pump Controller + 50m German UV resistant Solar Cable + 4 x 185Wp EU made Photovoltaic Modules (740WATT Peak in total = Worth 2627 Euros !!)



Offer Total: 3555 €! -> http://www.kibsolar.com

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
03/10/2009 04:19

Hi

To all the folk who are saying they can source cheaper panels, I do not doubt you for one second we all could from china ect but they are rubbish

Lots of DIY types over uk bought hot water systems including a tank from china sad to say the tanks were very poor and leaked within 5 mins of the gurantee running out and funnily enough the collector plates stoped working effeciently at the same time !!!



I have no interest in either of these gentlemens businesses but would say that in the solar and PV panel game you do get exactly what you pay for

pay little get little