Who has suffered from the demise of North Cyprus Rentals Ltd?

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 18:25

I would be interested to hear how many of us have suffered a loss from the downfall of North Cyprus Rentals Ltd, Director Sabena Coulter.

I am significantly out of pocket but more worryingly fear just how many service providers she did not pay on my behalf as a villa owner whilst her company acted as the letting agency and provided property management services.

Despite frequent requests to North Cyprus Rentals Ltd for information regarding my accounts with this company , (all of which were not responded to) Sabena appears to have simply disappeared and with her my cash flow! How can she just be allowed to get away with this?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 19:35

journey1



For any one that rents out property could you give more detailed info please ?

chocoloco


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 19:42

Yes my business partner is still waiting for a deposit back for around £2000.

He stayed here for a few months rented a place for 3 months and got stalled for the rent deposit until she went bust.

As his not turkish and i am a turk from Uk i said i will get it back for him.



Please help!

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 19:50

Wonder how long it'll be till this un gets closed as well, seems as if theres a conspiracy to hide summat on here re the goings on ??

An pipies just bein a nosey bi**h

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 20:02

I can be contacted via

arabesque@hotmail.co.uk

citychick


Joined: 27/09/2008
Posts: 200

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 21:05

Us too Journey1.

eagles


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 80

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 21:05

Saw sabena at the Turkish Bankasi branch in alsancak on monday just gone.Probably closing her account and coming away with loads of money !

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 22:13

More crooks in the TRNC than a throng of shepherds

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 22:17

Was this reported in the newspapers?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 22:18

Msg 1

Email me off board and I'll tell you exactly what to do to make her stay in the UK untenable or impossible to enter if not already there.



Richard

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 22:21

Journey1. How did you find out about this? Do you have any evidence to substantiate this?

chocoloco


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
12/11/2010 23:51

I am more than happy to go to the newspaper with my case and let her challenge me. Anyone with me im sure the papers will love this.



My message to Sabena pay up or get name shamed!



If you want to challenge me sue me after i've put it in the paper.

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 01:20

thanks to all who replied - I have felt really stressed about this since I came back from London just over a week ago.

Msg 11 - I was contacted in the UK by my local bank here to say there was a very substantial bill outstanding with the Alsancak council. After further enquiries it appeared that my local taxes had not been paid despite the amounts having been deducted by NCR accounts - and the last NCR account I received was in May this year.

So i began to think what else has not been paid and for how long has it been going on?

I requested information and faturas from NCR but all such requests have been fruitless.

My message to Sabena is ' when you read this and I know for sure you will be, be honest and let me and any others know when you will pay up.' 'we all trusted you and that is the hard pill to swallow.'

babbs


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 21

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 09:52

I do not know her that well , and I have been to her bar in the past. The obvious is that you and anybody else will never get a penny back from this woman, why do you think she has left the country !!!!!







If it was only a lovers tiff she would of stayed and carried on ....... life does go on .



The question is how ? I heard her passport was confiscated . who smuggled her out if that is the case ?

This of course is what people are saying about her.



I sympathise with you journey1 and others that have fallen victim with this woman , be honest I do not think so trusted I do not think so .



You need to go further with your enquiries .

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 10:27

billybob



'Wonder how long it'll be till this un gets closed as well, seems as if theres a conspiracy to hide summat on here re the goings on ??'



Unless you know the full facts then making comments like that will not make you any friends.

For the record the threads that were closed were done so at the request of the original thread poster.

AJ

babbs


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 21

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 10:27

Astonishingly I have had a phone call and someone told me she was smuggled out but unfortunately I cannot put it on here who did it .

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 11:46

Can anyone confirm she has left the Island?

bigbadbob


Joined: 04/08/2010
Posts: 368

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 12:01

Msg17 according to a similar thread on here yesterday she flew from Larnaca wyesterday at 315pm.

ArrivaLtd


Joined: 20/07/2010
Posts: 15

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 12:11

I have dealt with Sabena with her internet at her house for many years and recently at the Bar88. She always paid on time and was always extremely professional. I honestly can't believe what has happened. I also know that she couldn't have left through Larnaca if she has gone. I have tried to phone her but her phone is temporarily out of service. I just personally hope that she is ok. She has ran North Cyprus Villa Rentals for more than 7 years now. We dealt with her from the UK before we came here and again she was very professional.

babbs


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 21

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 12:34

msg 19



You must be the only one ..... from what I gather this has been going on for years only people are to scared to talk !!!!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 16:28

I note that Sabeena has made a statement on another thread that everyone concerned will be repaid, however I think people need to know where the money went in the first place.

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 16:45

Try the casino's.....................!!!!!!!!

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 16:54

I too have just seen the other thread. My question is how and when will we be repaid, and how and when will we know what we are owed, particularly as for some who like me were never privileged to know the truth and it appears to have perhaps gone on for the last three years and maybe more- who knows?

I do not for one minute believe she left for personal reasons, and I will not be duped by any trivia she wishes to post. 'Reality & Integrity' are what I am looking for 'vis a vis' hard cash. Anyone else with me?

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 16:56

Please Administrator and forum memebers can we ensure we are following the original thread please?

Many thanks

minotaur


Joined: 27/09/2010
Posts: 4

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 17:24

I am another of SC's victims.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 17:39

A few people gave mentioned casino's. Was that Sabena's problem? I had always found her very professional in any dealings I had with her, I'm shocked about this.

Goonerboy


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 723

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 18:00

So why have people felt scared to come out?

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 18:47

Forum members can we please keep to the original thread and hopefully gain more insight into what individuals have experienced personally as opposed to pure conjecture and subsequently having the thread closed.

many thanks

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 19:45

Journey1. I have heard that you are the only one who knows why she left the island in such a hurry. Is this true and if so would you like to Share?

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 21:36

Msg 29

Sorry but your message is really strange to me

- why on earth would I be posting all of this - mmmmmh and almost 'whisltle blowing'?

Are you working from another agenda that i know nothing about ?

I refer you to the original 'question'

i will not be drawn by you into a third party discussion

maybe you are not effected by this situation but believe me i am - alll actions in life have consequences afterall

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 21:42

I have been affected by this. You did not answer my question.

quackers


Joined: 02/03/2010
Posts: 179

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 23:08

I heard a whisper that she was up recently in court for serious tax evasion - may and could be wrong anyone out there knows exactly her position about this? - if that's the case then I think the tax man here will collect monies first, just like the UK if you go bust.

dusty48


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 258

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 01:00

Sorry Quackers you have given out to many parking tickets and lost all common sence, you do not have any idea about the legal process for tax either in the trnc or the uk.

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 12:04

Just to try to pull this together a bit:



A statement from Sabena with regard to North Cyprus Rentals: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/49652.asp



bar 8.8 belongs to huseyin: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/49592.asp



Is Sabena still running bar 88 ?: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/49558.asp



I couldn't find any other threads. If there are it would be helpful to have a link on here.

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 12:13

quackers



My information which I was assured was reliable (who knows here) was that the court ordered her to pay immediately £41,000 in tax.



From my various converstations of varying reliability (hard to tell sometimes) I calculate/guess that her total debts are in the region of £200,000 maybe £250,000 going back at least three to four years.



Of course some of the debts may be personal and some may be through North Cyprus Rentals Ltd. In the case of NCR Ltd it might be worth enquiring as to whether there are any other directors. The Companies Act here is the old UK one. It follows therefore (probably) that all the directors have a duty to know what is happening and to ensure that the company is properly run. If they do not do so and fraud or negligence comes about then they can be personally liable. It is not a defense to say "I didn't know what she was doing." or even "I had no idea she was taking rental money and tenants deposits and gambling and away at the casinos."

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 12:22

journey1



"So i began to think what else has not been paid and for how long has it been going on? "



I first realised that she was a heavy gambler (poker) at the casinos some three years ago. I remember saying at the time that it was not good news that she was addicted to poker and held clients' money.

quackers


Joined: 02/03/2010
Posts: 179

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 17:41

dusty48 - comments please about all other threads after mine - is everyone else wrong and you right?

quackers


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Posts: 179

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 19:06

dear dusty 48 - just for your information I was MD of my own limited company in the uk from 97-2003 and had 30 guys and galls working in all parts of the UK,in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland and Channel Islands, for me, so I think I know a little about UK tax laws possibly better than you - observations please?

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 19:26

Forum members , many thanks for your replies.

I have very recently received by email a set of accounts from Sabena Coulter.

I will be scrutinising the said accounts and get back to the forum when I have a clearer picture.

I have also been contacted by the local press asking if I was prepared to 'tell my story', is there anyone else out there who would be prepared to do this as well?

many thanks

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:02

Message 36.... surely the partner would have known that this person was gambling.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:24

Journey. Have you been offered any money back?

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:39

Msg 41 No1Doyen



Nothing apart from being told it would be settled with the sale of her house??? For me that leaves more questions than answers.

Still waiting for anyone willing to bring forward any evidence for the press.

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:53

How quick everyone here appears to be to stab a person when they are no longer able to defend themselves. Rumour and supposition are rife. Is this what the Forum is all about?

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 22:26

Msg 43

let me be very clear.

I am not stabbing anyone who is no longer here to defend themselves, nor am I coming from rumour or supposition. Sabena Coulter (Director/owner of North Cyprus Rentals Ltd) chose to leave the island without any clear explanation to all of her clients both here and outwith TRNC as far as I believe.

I suspect very strongly that there is a very negative reason for this related to both my financial status and others who have been involved with North Cyprus Rentals Ltd that was. Infact has NCR Rentals Ltd been officially liquidated??

I believe the Forum is one of the correct ways to gather the experience of others who are in the same position as myself.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 22:31

There is a new company that has been set up recently by a lady called amanda in catalkoy. zeromaintenance,she also looks after rentals and bill paying ect ect, she does not hold deposits from customers who rent your property,deposits on long term rentals are held by yourself,tomorrow she will post her website here for you.

magalan


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 227

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 09:37

Msg 45 - Thread nicely hijacked - typical!

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 09:57

Msg 45 i trust she will be posting her own new thread .

Msg 46 agree fully - where are the administrators?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 10:06

Please stay on topic guys.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 11:08

Message 48 Bill ! think zero (message 45) is "on topic" as I understand he is purely offering an alternative service to those unfortunate people who have suffered from the demise of "North Cyprus Rentals" who may still need some assistance in managing their properties. Regards Barry (just my humble opinion)

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 17:17

message 39-What email address did Sabena use when she contacted you recently ? Have also been a victim of her sharp practices as have my tenants ! Seems to me that a formal complaint needs to be made to the police by those English residents who have lodged monies to her accounts and which she seems to have diverted to her use . This has all the hallmarks of a classic fraud and while it will be nigh impossible to get any monies returned, police involvement and investigation will eventually result in an arrest warrant if the facts are proved. Time to act, people !

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:13

Surely the Tax authorities will have an interest in this if they haven't received the taxes due on the rents!

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:21

message 46 and 47.



i was not hijacking the thread.



Just thought that if there was alot of people left up a river without a paddle and was looking to find a reliable person to take over the looking after of there property,well amanda would of been very keen to offer her services.

journey1. i dont know,but i would of thought so,wouldnt you!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:28

Msg 52

Quite right too!



Richard

yogi1


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 98

Message Posted:
19/11/2010 10:44

I'm with message 43, Sebena has not been found guilty of anything yet , but already peolple are acting as judge, jury and hangman. If and I mean If she has defrauded people surley they should take their part of the blame. Why do people wait 2/3 years for there rent, surely if it wasn't in your bank account on a monthly basis you would start asking questions ? If people have lost money I feel for them but I think when assertin blame one or two of you need to look in the mirror

citychick


Joined: 27/09/2008
Posts: 200

Message Posted:
19/11/2010 10:58

EamonnMc, Please can you e-mail me with regards to your pool.



Kind regards



Citychick

clairegordon


Joined: 18/11/2010
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
19/11/2010 12:51

May I please ask, has any person over there been able to discover how many directors there were in this limited company and if there is/was a TC director and if the company has been put into administration/liquidation, or has Mrs Coulter simply walked away, if the latter is the case there may be obligations on the other directors or there may be assets, I do not wish to become embroiled in debates on this board simply want to find out answers to the above questions in the meantime as my partner is also affected and currently significantly out of pocket.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 00:10

Citychick,



Sorry don't have enough posts to see your email address !



EamonnMc.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 00:29

clairegordon,



Would imagine that her hubby, Gary ? was probably a director but he flew the coop 18 months ago !

A wise man perhaps ? Anyway, I have been making some enquiries with the English police and will post some comments next day or so, when I have more time.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 01:17

Eamonn



I think your enquires with the English police may indeed be fruitless. As a limited company North Cyprus Rentals Ltd is limited in its liabilities. As the company is registered in the TRNC the UK police would have no jurisdiction.

citychick


Joined: 27/09/2008
Posts: 200

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 13:22

Hi Eamonn my e-mail address is kerrifwroyaw@yahoo.com.



many thanks



Kerri

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 13:23

Stubs,



Thanks for your comment , however, as far as i am aware, being a limited liability company does not give you protection if you have been trading fraudulently.



Caught for time at the moment,will post more info later in the day.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 15:35

Have been in contact with Hampshire Police and spoke to an officer there yesterday for about an hour. A file has been opened by them on Sabena due to my complaint and they have confirmed to me that a fraud seems to have taken place ie. embezzlement. The reason I contacted Hampshire Police is that I lodged monies to a bank account owned by Sabena in Alton. Has anyone else lodged cash to any account of Sabena's in England ?



I explained to the officer that many others have issues with Sabena and are at a loss of monies because of her antics. She asked me to advise these people to make a complaint to their local ( in U.K.) police force about any cash that has been diverted by Sabena for her own use ! IT IS VITAL THAT ALL WHO ARE AT A LOSS MAKE A COMPLAINT IN THIS WAY SO THAT A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION CAN TAKE PLACE. The officer told me a european arrest warrant could issue if enough evidence is gathered.



I hope this is of help to those at a loss!

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 16:13

My neighbours told me yesterday that they have lost their £900 deposit on the villa they rent , and the owner has not recieved any money for months.

Another couple in the area also found out that whilst they were in the uk their villa was being rented out without their consent by one of Sabina's staff, when she had the shop, who has also left the island apparently.

You just never know who your next door neighbours are anymore, and it seems to be the people that appear squeaky clean.

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 16:32

Msg 62

Sadly,after reading your post, I know that for years all of my dealings were througn UK Bank Accounts and NCr Ltd

I so trusted her and wonder so much if she did pay the back dated monies that the Government here wanted for property rental income tax. i think it started about 2007? I do have copies of the international transfers but

no receipts in my hand from NCR Ltd.

All of my accounts from her showed that NCR Ltd had paid them but - did they? That is my worry and what else was not paid even though it was taken from my account?

We all have heard from Husyien (Bar 8.8) that she did not forward any of the monies we as villa owners buying water, paid to her for his service over the last 2 years, so I am really now at a loss as to what is what.

I appreciate she posted something saying that she would pay all back but it almost sounded as if her troubles had happened overnight - what about he folks she took rental income every month for the last 3 years -embezzelment I think?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 17:08

Journey 1,



Your 1st post says that u are out pocket a lot due to Sabena. Go to your local police ( in U.K.) and tell them your story - they are there to help you and will tell you the proofs they require. Do not be afraid to contact them ! Bring the details of the monies you sent her with you.



As regards Sabena's post, it is purely self serving rubbish !!

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 17:50

Msg 65

many thanks for your advice

i am still at a loss as why so few owners have come forward to say what has been their experience of the whole scenario - perhaps many of them are not in touch with the fourm?

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 18:17

Message 63. We lost £950.00 as deposit money and are now being asked for a new deposit from the owners. Sabena was their agent not ours. Does this seem right?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 18:18

Journey 1,



Glad to help. I agree that many victims are not posting on the forum !



Bazilbrush, Thanks for your comments, please tell your friends/ neighbours to look up these threads, thanks !

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 18:26

Message 67,



Trevor, As you say, Sabena was their agent, it's their loss !!, not yours.!!!



Same thing happened to my tenants with their 2 month deposit but I consider it My Loss and am giving them 2 months free rental in lieu. People need to be fair in their dealings !!

EsentepeGal


Joined: 12/09/2010
Posts: 144

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 18:33

Bazilbrush msg 63, 2nd paragraph, care to elaborate on name of Sabina's staff that was responsible, (Initial will suffice).



Thank you

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 18:49

Ok this is all getting worse and worse



Advice please how we could all pull it togetlher. The report in Cyprus Today did not bring anything to a conclusion nor give a hint of any direction we may tackle NCR Ltd within the 'law 'here inTRNC . Not that i would expect them too, but a wee hint would have helped guys!



I fly back to UK Thurs early.. any comments welcome

cheers

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 19:05

Journey 1, message 71,



I think that you should also report what has happened to you to the police in Alsancak??Lapta. What harm can it do ? It could further hinder Sabena if she tries to sell her viila, though I would think that the tax authorities there will have first call on that villa.



safe journey home and don't forget to contact the police when you get there.

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 21:49

journey1



If you email me I can possibly help point you in the right direction.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 22:14

journey 1 (mess 71)



There is no direction! the TRNC Police Force headed by Ms Pervin Gurler will do nothing! and the UK Police Force will be able to do nothing! the TRNC is UNRECOGNISED in the UK! so anyone can continue their corrupt activities inside the bubble without worrying about the consequences! but their bubble will eventually burst



Good Luck! and join the Exclusive Club!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 22:33

Msg 74,



Sorry, don't agree U.K Police will do nothing. If anyone has lodged cash into a bank account of someone acting as your agent there and it has been diverted to another use, unlawfully, there is a case to answer as I say in msg.62. Also Sabena has left the TRNC and is in possession of stolen monies.



Please try to be more positive, as the joke goes- a soap bubble is like virginity- 1 prick and it's gone !!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 22:47

EamonnMc (mess 75)



Join the Aga Victims! most of the money was paid into a uk bank account, acting as agents was TRNC Lawyers of various denominations! Gary Robb left the TRNC and was in possession of millions of pounds of stolen monies!!!!!!!!!!!! along with co-directors who have never been brought to justice by Ms Pervin Gurler!



I can't be more positive, as the joke goes - it will take many pricks to burst this particular bubble!

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
20/11/2010 22:54

EsentepeGal

There has only been 2 members of staff working for Sabina in her office that I know of, the nice one is working at a cafe now in Alsancak, and the other one is back in the uk all of a sudden.

jacky


Joined: 23/06/2009
Posts: 163

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 16:29

shame on you sebena

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 17:55

does angie from the cafe know where she is. it has taken us all a a bit of a shock. I cant judge and i hope and pray that all owed gets sorted x

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 19:25

Oh one of her 'owners ' that she defrauded for 3 years every month , tells me she is lying low in Suffolk - almost as if none of this has happened! oh and remember she always did say she had no idea what was going on in life as she lived in a 'Bubble' Well Sabena if you are reading this - wake up to the water at your feet and smell the coffee!

i hear that you are planning to return to TRnc - We will be there to greet you believe me ;o((

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 20:07

Where in Suffolk is that?

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 20:13

Moderated.....Due to slanderous comment.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 20:16

You sure about that, seems very unlikely.

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 21:23

Well I have no idea where you get your thoughts from or your information.

I am just reporting what has been told to me by an owner in the UK of her whereabouts.

i am just trying to gather substantiated evidence not hearsay .

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 21:32

journey1



I'm not saying you are wrong. Given the stories that are circulating about her "escape" it makes sense. I just don't understand how he was so daft as to get involved with her.

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 22:07

well i have no idea about that either but I am totally distraught that someone who has been my 'friend' has done this to me and others who not only trusted her as a friend but also as someone we could rely on for our property management and rentals in their entirety

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 22:24

Journey 1

I believe you are correct as Mr **** was the man that took her to Larnaca, according to some friends of Sabina's. Why do some think she will be back when she has even left friends out of pocket, and having no knowledge that she was doing a runner?



JohnW

Sabina is very clever at getting men to do things for her, and **** is an easy target where woman are involved.....!!!!!!

You won't live this one down ****, can't wait to see you again....!!!



Moderated.... If you do not have substantial facts and evidence your comments are slanderous. I have moderated this thread based on a complant from the person mentioned as the statement made was totally untrue. Andy P

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 22:32

The mind boggles !

LazyLobon


Joined: 21/11/2010
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
21/11/2010 23:23

It should not be possible to leave with no passport. Passing through two checkpoints.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
22/11/2010 00:06

MESSAGES 79 TO 87,



I completely understand why many people are annoyed, I'm one of them ! But, blaming other people for helping Sabena leave Cyprus is pointless ! They did not know What Sabena had done to a lot of her " friends " Maybe we were all there at one stage ! The mission should be to get Even !! She has hurt many people who believed in her and has betrayed them. PLEASE, PLEASE , PLEASE, ACT NOW , REPORT YOUR LOSSES TO YOUR LOCAL "SHERIFF" IN THE U.K., DON'T GET MAD, GET EVEN !!!!

Tatty


Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 186

Message Posted:
22/11/2010 06:08

Being a victim of AGA i shall be going to seek advice from a solicitor when i return to the UK.

being as Mr Robb is now residing in the UK for the forseable future.

alphabeau


Joined: 22/11/2010
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
22/11/2010 16:15

Hi all from another (potential) victim.



Like similar postings we have had no accounts since May so it is difficult to know if there has been a loss, and indeed if bills have been paid. Certainly our accounts (when we got them) show the bills being paid.



Sounds like non payment of tax is the big one, whereas utility bills are more obvious i.e. getting cut off is a bit of a clue.



Being based in the UK adds to the problem for us, but we were out in Aug / Sept and all 'seemed' ok then.



Apparently Sabena had 2 passports, or access to a second one (did the Court seize her passport last week?).

The first passport is Canadian ( I am guessing it was seized) and the second passport is presumably an EU one if she has bolted to Suffolk.



Those of you who are TRNC based - can you call a meeting somewhere and use the local newspaper to advertise it? - That might draw out other victims who are not using this forum. Just an idea.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
22/11/2010 18:42

Has anyone got receipts for tax paid by NCR?



Thankfully I have not used Sabena's services for a few years but am now wondering if she paid the property tax on our villa for the 18 months that we did, or will we have to re-pay for that period.



I wasn't given a personal receipt though she did show me a multiple invoice of payment for a number of properties.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
22/11/2010 23:23

Eamonn



re msg 61 &62



Proving that a company has been trading fraudulently is extremely difficult in any court. Given the circumstances surrounding NCR Ltds trading gaining evidence of any alleged fraud is not going to be an easy task for anyone.



As for a European arrest warrant this would only be issued if the punishment for any alleged crime is more than 2 years.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 00:55

Reading this thread I am surpised by the statements made by people - but not in their name!!!!

- Someone said this,

- a friend said that

- I was told

- I heard

- it appears that

- so n so say/said that

etc etc etc

lots of supposition, innuendo, and statements made under these headings

WHAT FOR - to destroy a person who is having problems

The woman has said she will sell her house and pay everyone off - what do you want her to do - ie inthe middle of the road in sack-cloth and ashes and then you can stone her.

Giver her a chance if she does not sort it out - then say what you have to say - and don't be afraid to say it by using the above terms.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 02:24

msg 95,



Hilda, With all due respect, Many people on this forum are dealing with the facts as they know them ! they don't have to resort to supposition or innuendo etc. They know what has happened to them, they know that Sabena has betrayed their trust, they know the Sabena has lied to them and cheated them, they know that Sabena has fled the country with monies that belong to them, they know that she has a gambling problem, they know that she never come back to face the music ! To believe otherwise is to believe in the tooth fairy, mother goose, the honesty of politicians and that santa claus will be down your chimney on Christmas day!! Please, stop insulting peoples intelligence !!

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 07:58

Message 96



Please, stop insulting peoples intelligence !!



are thease the same people who intelligently trusted a tc with their money ? and property ??



what next an advocate telling the truth or an estate agent telling the truth.

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 11:28

When I was paying the tax on my properties Sabina was there sometimes paying peoples taxes, so some money has been paid in.

driverdriver


Joined: 21/11/2010
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 11:49

Can a court order or a charge be placed on a property in TRNC by all the people who have lost money.



You do say she has a villa there.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 13:03

Msg 96 - Eamon..... says:

Many people on this forum are dealing with the facts as they know them! - AS 'THEY' KNOW THEM!!!!

they don't have to resort to supposition or innuendo etc. BUT DID - THEN GOES ON TO SAY

- They know what has happened to them, they know that Sabena has betrayed their trust,

- they know the Sabena has lied to them and cheated them

- they know that Sabena has fled the country with monies that belong to them

- they know that she has a gambling problem - THIS LIE WAS DISCOUNTED IN THIS WEEKS NEWSPAPER

- they know that she never come back to face the music ! AND A FORTUNE TELLER NOW SEES THE FUTURE

AND NOW BACK TO THE FAIRY STORIES - To believe otherwise is to believe in the tooth fairy, mother goose, the honesty of politicians and that santa claus will be down your chimney on Christmas day!!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - Please, stop insulting peoples intelligence !!

YOU speak for ALL the others when you say 'THEY' do you?

ARE YOU AN APPOINTED LEADER

citychick


Joined: 27/09/2008
Posts: 200

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 16:43

Sorry but if the house sells then will there be enough money in the pot to pay everyone back when the money is split in two between Sabena and Gary!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 17:01

Msg 100 - Hilda,



Please take off your blinkers and read the messages posted on this tread !!!



Msg 1-journey 1, msg 3 - chocoloco, Msg 6 - citychic, msg 25 - minotaur, Msg 31 - jefferson, msg 56 - clairegordon, Msg 63 - bazilbrush, msg 66 - jefferson, These people Know what has happened to them, their partners and friends . The know,that they have been cheated and had their monies mis approbriated They know who is responsible. Why are you defending her ? Have you an agenda ?



As regards her gambling problem, please see Msg 36, clairegordon. maybe, i'm a fool but I believe her account or maybe, JUST MAYBE, you're the foolish one !

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 17:35

I have no axe to grind and I do not have a vested interest not do I have an agenda.

i do know Sebena but have had no business dealings with her.

I do have a Turkish Cypriot builder who has taken £100,000 from me and I am now in my 5th year waiting to get my house whilst he continues to build, live and work in TRNC no the UK. I have recently been in court to deal with this matter.

My concern is the amount of innuendo, tales, he said, she said, I heard etc etc etc to attack a woman who has said that she will sell what she has and pay back all monies owed - I wish my builder would say the same thing. I understand from the newspaper that she has a young family in the UK and has gone to see them - this maybe so.

Give the woman a chance - if she does not pay it all back - then attack her but at least be open and honest about it. There is a lot of scare mongering going on on this thread so no the wonder people are worried but scare-mongering is not going to help them.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 17:51

Hilda,



I am dealing with the facts and nothing but the facts. The experiences of other people on this tread, say it all. I'm sorry for your troubles with your builder and know you must be angry and as you say you are pursuing him through the courts and looking for justice.



That's all victims want, justice. I'm sorry but I honestly do not believe the self serving statement that Sabena has posted. I consider it a stalling tactic on her behalf !



You say you know her, well does anyone really know what's in anothers heart ? Methinks that you are a better friend to her than she deserves .

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 21:15

the fact that you do not believe her does not make what she says untrue - that is your right

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 21:19

Has anyone contacted Sabena's mother who I believe has a property in Malatya? Or did she sell up and disappear too?

Debra-Jayne


Joined: 08/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 22:09

Hello i thought i would just have my say after the few emails i have received and to cut the talk and put a few of you straight I would like to point out i did work in the office last year (April2009 -July2009) and as many of you know i went there to sell hotels @ tours but in the short time i was there Sabena was away from the office most of the time un-well and i helped out i did not at any time take money for rentals or supply contracts yes i did show people around Villas but the contracts and money was always dealt by Sabena and i have not spoken to her since the 6th July 2009 and yes i am in the UK and have been since the 11th October this year and no i have not run away as you or some of you have suggested and i will be returning to Cyprus shortly as it has been my home for the most of the last 6 years at the moment i have family commitments but in the mean time if you would like to talk to me direct please email me

Debra-Jayne


Joined: 08/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 22:09

you can emails me at debra.hammond@hotmail.com or DJ-Travel@hotmail.co.uk

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 01:53

Msg. 107,



Debbie Jayne,



Can you enlighten us as to the reasons you stopped working for Sabena ?

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 11:25

Administrator



I think the time has come to close this thread now as the original question has been answered.

Thank you

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 12:28

The trouble is, if you close this thread another will open, and people will ask the same questions that have already been asked, so best to leave this thread running.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 15:56

I suggest you close the thread as it no longer relates to the question it is just a case of slagging someone off without a piece of evidence.

The above thread regarding one of Sebenas employees

'Can you enlighten us as to the reasons you stopped working for Sabena'

shows how sickening it has become - next you will want to know if she recorded how many times Sebena went to the Looooo

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 17:25

Msg 112,



This thread is still valid . Debbie Jayne worked for North Cyprus Rentals, the subject of this thread and may be able to throw some light on the subject of how the business was run ! No one is interested in Sabena's personal habits, only her business ones !!



Why are you trying to stifle free speech and peoples right to comment ? You must have your reasons even if you won't disclose them ! Maybe, you're too near the trees to see the woods !



Funny how Sabena , after 112 threads has not joined in to enlighten us !!

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 17:47

This thread has not even scratched the surface. It should run for years.

Debra-Jayne


Joined: 08/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 18:43

i left because i was ill ......as most of you know....... and did not get on with Sabena other half so made it very hard to work with her so in stead of falling out we parted company simple as that the rest that has gone on i do not no any thing about

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 19:01

EamonnMc

Ref: your message 113.

'Funny how Sabena , after 112 threads has not joined in to enlighten us !!'

The reason is she is not a valid member of this site any more.

I think it is time to close this thread as there too many posters that do not have an interest in the subject but just want to stir up trouble.

AJ

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 19:41

Msg116,

Agree with AJ,persecusion gone far enough.

Debra-Jayne


Joined: 08/07/2010
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 19:59

Message 116 --- i dont no what really has happened and i am not about to surmise but if you close this thread of what i have read then you have made Sabena guilty through and through

as it shows you are trying to cover up something and there is many more people wanting to air their views as i did yesterday as i was being brought into it by gossip and this thread diminishes the gossip that is going around i may be in the UK at the moment but i am hearing the gossip and it has started to include me so i like to thank this thread to allow be to let you know what i know and what i dont

and remember as the gossip goes around more and more people will come out of the wood work and this thread will keep it all in one place so dont knock it think of it as helping both sides and being impartial and dont take sides forums are for airing your views or am i wrong

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 10:09

Alsancak Jack



I would think that anyone who posts on this thread has an interest in this subject. I have both a general interest and a particular interest in this topic. All that has gone has served to damage everyone who lives in or has property in the TRNC. All property letting agents working here are tarnished by this.



In my case in particular. Our former landlord has told us that he has not received six months rent and he returned our two months deposit from his own pocket. I had not previously posted this as we have not suffered any loss ourselves. Strangely, our landlord was told that we had not paid the rent even though we were in possession of receipts which we were able to produce to him.



We also worked on rented villas for North Cyprus Rentals. I now know of one case where the landlord was charged twice as much by NCR as we charged them for the work done. I don't know if that was a one off event or not. This sort of thing damages both the landlord and ourselves.

jonkay


Joined: 01/04/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 19:43

Hi JohnW, as a past client of NCR, I and I am sure other clients would be interested to hear which case or villa this is related to?.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 19:50

Jonkay



I'm not quite sure what you are asking?

jonkay


Joined: 01/04/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 19:57

In your post you have stated " I now know of one case where the landlord was charged twice as much by NCR as we charged them for the work done."



I would be interested to know which client or villa this is related to since I have had some work done to our villa which was carried out by a company hired by NCR.



I am sure other clients would be curious to know if this is related to there villa!!

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 20:02

Jonkay



I have already discussed this with the landlord. I don't think it would be appropriate to name him on here.

jonkay


Joined: 01/04/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 20:05

Completely understand, regards Jonkay

johnty


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
26/11/2010 00:45

i understand you are trying to keep this thread alive but i think its been done to death and we all know we are not going to see a penny of what we are owed. she is not going to sell her property to enable everybody to get what they deserve. we have all been duped and we have to live with it.. shame on you sabena as if it makes any differance.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
26/11/2010 11:16

I do not have anything to do with NCR nor do I have close links with Sebena and freedom of speech carries with it a lot of responsibility - what sickens me is that posts come on here and then eveyone throws in their 2 penorth and give comments using terms such as 'I heard',' they said', and 'maybe' - as a way of getting 'their opinion' and inaccurate information on the board - its all Chinese Whispers and helps no one - especially those affected. If someone has something to say fine - say it and don't use others as a cover - it is clear that this thread has caused a lot of anxiety to people - but how much of it is fact.

Comments such as

- she has 2 passports - who KNOWS this?

- she gambles plays poker - Hussain discounted this rumour in the newspapers - he knows her best.

supposition helps no one - get the facts and relate the facts - not fiction

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
26/11/2010 12:26

I do not have close links with sabena nor her business. I do know friends who have and also of the people who have not had the service as per contract therefore if it was me I would be on here with facts.





howevever when you say :hussain has discounted rumours in the paper he knows her best :do you think then that that is definately fact and could not be fiction. The only people who know the truth are the people who have paid monies and lost it and landlords who have lost and as you dont know the truth either then do you think hussain or anyone else is right or wrong.



there has obviously something gone on and a lot more to it and just wonder why you think certain information is ok to be believed and other not. If it was me then I would want to find out everything right or wrong supposition or not thats how the truth and necessary evidence is evntually discovered but Im sure severlpeople already have hard facts.



just my opinon of course

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
26/11/2010 12:49

HildySmith



Are you saying that you know she does not have two passports or are you just supposing she doesn't?



Are you saying you know she didn't gamble?



You seem to be implying that anyone saying these things doesn't know them to be true. Is that the case?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 14:13

Msg 128,



Sabena was a member of the Cyprus Poker Network based at the Merit Hotel !! So draw your own conclusions !!

alphabeau


Joined: 22/11/2010
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
28/11/2010 17:59

The message posted by Sabena states that she had contacted everyone that she owed money to.



So here is a fact, she owes us approx £2,000 at last count, and at no time did she ever contact us by email, phone or text.



Did anyone else get contacted by her? - Maybe we have others who have the same FACT that she did not.



The mention of Gary (her ex) is mis-guided. He left Sabena and returned to his wife (i.e. the woman he left for Sabena) in the UK, probably 2 years ago now.



Those of you who know how to use 'people finder' type websites, freely available on the web, can do your own investigations.



EamonnMc you might like to mention this to Hants Police in case they have not thought about using such websites.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
28/11/2010 19:35

alphabeau,



I'm down over £2000 also and like you, have received no communication whatsoever from Sabena during the last 3 months or so.



The Hampshire Police do know of the websites you mention and I'm assured their enquiries are continuing.



Yes, I think Gary went back to his first wife last year!

clairegordon


Joined: 18/11/2010
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
29/11/2010 11:45

Re my mess:-56

Has any person embroiled in this mess found out if the limited company has any assets ?? or if there are other directors of the company, or if it has been officially liquidated, it should be easy for someone residing there to get these details from companies house

Thanks

surreysoldier


Joined: 29/11/2010
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
29/11/2010 16:33

I too have NOT had a single communication from Sabena about the demise of her business and its impact to us.



This was very disappointing as my wife and I thought we were friends - we had drinks with Sabena on a couple of occasions at Bar 88.



Apart from any outstanding money owned, we don't even know if she cleared up after the last tenants stayed at our villa. We will probably have to get the locks changed.



Sabena, if you are watching this bulletin board - then please speed up the communication to those you've yet to contact.

alphabeau


Joined: 22/11/2010
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 14:25

OK, in the spirit of trying to help Sabena and her wish to sell her house to repay the debts....



Can anyone who is based in the TRNC find out if her property can be sold, by the authorities, because the facts show that this needs to happen to clear her debts (and potentially 'her name').



A land registry check there may (only may) show if there is any charge against the property so that is a start point. Is there any other financial institution that may know if there is a charge over the property?



If there is not a charge, and it is a pure asset, we need to know if it can be sold at auction (or similar) to quickly solve this problem.



Is this at all feasible?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 16:01

Won't it be a case of taking a memorandum on the property?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 01:28

I don't want to be negative but I honestly think that Sabena's property will be in Limbo for a long, long time. If as posted on this site, she owes money to the TRCN taxman and has had a court fine imposed, there is no way, in my opinion, that a sale will take place in even the medium term, i.e. the next 2 or 3 years !! Anyone care to differ ? I hope I'm wrong but would surprised if this wasn't the case .

charlie15


Joined: 23/04/2008
Posts: 131

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 06:55

Does anybody know what has happened to key's to properties she was holding?



Can they be collected from somewhere?



I am asking on behalf of a friend in England who has a villa in Lapta that she was managing.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 13:27

Charlie,



She had her office upstairs in Bar 88, so maybe keys for villas are available there ! In any case owners should get new locks fitted as a security measure.

alphabeau


Joined: 22/11/2010
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 16:07

EamonMc,



I suppose that has to be the start point then, the TRNC taxman. Makes sense if they are the biggest creditor.



Starting there will identify what she owes to them (if they will divulge that), plus it can be established the legality / process of selling her home to pay the bills. If she owes the taxman more than the house is worth, then yes, we are wasting our time.



Are you (or anyone on this list) able to make any enquiries on this front?



I would but I am in the UK and not there until the summer.



If there is equity remaining - It might take 2 years to share it out, that will still be quicker than waiting for any other route. A march of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 16:20

what a sad story all round for the property owners and Sabrina :(

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 16:51

Msg. 139,



Sorry Alphabeau, am living in Dublin, so cannot make any enquiries there until later in 2011.



Maybe, someone else will help ? Any takers , people ??

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 17:08

msg 138;



This has nothing to do with me but for the sake of information;

I was there at bar8.8 when Sabina had collected all her stuff from the bar,including some of the furniture at the bar.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 19:13

would it not be best if someone who has been defauded of monies here actually went for advice to a solicitor and find out the options



here in in trnc it will depend on the contract, how it is written and has the contract just named the company and /or Sabena herself.



If there has been crimes committed then it can be investigated here but as for any monies back surely the best way to start her is via the civil way and if ,a big if ,there are any assests that can have a charge{memorandum } placed on if a civil case for damages is won. If that transpires then a memorandum would be placed on the assests and eventually can be called for auction and the first creditors listed will receive any monies. However all this is just summising and it would be best to at least get the legal advice then you have a starting point

alphabeau


Joined: 22/11/2010
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 12:59

Thanks Honestie,



At the risk of throwing good money after bad if we take this route. How do you all feel about engaging a civil lawyer to investigate this, or is one already doing so on behalf of the tax authorities? How do we find this out locally? - we still do not know how many have lost money do we, but collectively it could be relatively cheap for a lawyer to be engaged, and maybe the costs could come out of any money left from the sale of assets (yeah right I hear you say).



It's all a bit chicken and egg, and there is a difference between all of us getting our money back (poss via the auction route) and the separate issue of criminal proceedings against Sabena / NCR, if warranted.



Here's a question - if we could all get our money back via her property sale, would we still be interested in criminal proceedings against Sabena?...or is it the case that criminal proceedings have to start in order to support any civil action in the TRNC?

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 13:14

from my experience and if it was me I would go and have an initial consultation with a solicitor as to what avenue you can go down then at least its just that inital cost .It may be you have to take individual action each one of you but it will depend on what assests there are if any if the house is in her name and at what stage if any is there a case by the tax authorites which will claim any assets.



It just seems like many thing here similar to the property trade people go round in circles and really have to get the advise from a solicitor here even though we dont always trust.



Personally I would get a consultation with one take all paperwork contracts etc and go through it all then you will know exactly where to go from there.



Criminal proceedings wont get your money back and like in uk you can go down both paths but would imagine here it will be civil.



cant give anymore than that as dont know how contracts were made and I would also check the advise with more than one

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 16:22

My postings usually result in quite a fair amount of adverse criticism, however they contain factual information not supposition, perhaps I may offer something now. I am in the middle of a court case, with weekly appearances in Girne. My lawyer advised me way back before we began litigation that if I chose to take the case to court, then I should not post anything (further) relating to the potential case or defendant, or associates; and once the case was under way, the proceedings of the court should not be reported either by me, or the newspapers, or comments on websites or forums. Hence you have seen nothing from me on my case for the last year or so. If you are considering legal action, it might be wise now to take the whole issue off line and discuss it privately.Message 143, correct, write up a timeline with any "hard" supporting evidence, take it to a reputable advocate for an opinion and ask for an estimate of costs and probability of a successful outcome.

TonyE

alphabeau


Joined: 22/11/2010
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
06/12/2010 12:40

Thanks Tony,



Very useful. Since suggesting this possible action there has been a distinct lack of replies. Now that could be people fed up with this whole saga, or it could be people are reticent to take the initial step and I understand that.



Maybe some of you are already doing background checks (or planning to) , so thank you from the UK if you are. Tony makes a good point re discussing it privately, so does anyone there have an email we can all send to?



Even if someone sets up a new hotmail account just for this purpose of taking it offline from this forum. At least that way we can work out the number of victims too.



It needs to be hosted in the TRNC so that someone can collate the 'hard evidence' that Tony and Honestie refer to.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
06/12/2010 13:35

hi again,

A suggestion...

One easy way (and there are several others!), would be for you to set up a Gmail account, with folders for each contributor that mails into the account, file them when read / actioned.

You can set up shared documents, ownership, etc. Give everyone access to the account if they are "responsible" people.Manage the account yourself. Contact me off the board if you need assistance.

I use it and find it quite good. You don't need to worry about where it's hosted, you can reach Gmail from anywhere in the world.....not sure about China these days though..!.

Best Regards

TonyE

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
06/12/2010 18:15

Tony E,



Thanks for your thoughts on these matters, however, your lawyers advise is somewhat moot in this case, as no court proceedings have taken place that I am aware of ! The matter therefore, is not Sub Judice so people may comment on it and not have to worry about perverting the course of justice !!



So, in my opinion , no need for new Gmail/Hotmail accounts .

journey1


Joined: 05/12/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
07/12/2010 00:37

Hi all

Can anyone tell me if North Cyprus Rentals Ld has legally been declared bankrupt/liquidated ? What is the route this should have taken in TRNC ( it was registered in TRNC) and how do we find out the status of the company?

Many thanks

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
08/12/2010 19:43

Have received an email from a person who had business dealings with Sabena and she informs me, that what everyone assumes is Sabena's house is actually owned by her mother while Sabena owns what everyone assumes is her mothers house ! So which house is Sabena trying to sell ? Her mother should know - as The Beatles say !!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/12/2010 07:40

Sabena has asked me to post this on her behalf:



' Could i ask that you answer the thread...

It is correct that Sabena Coulter's House is in her mother's name. The house Sabena bought and lived in with her family in Alsancak is the one for sale and Sabena has the POA to sell it.'



AJ

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
09/12/2010 09:57

she may have the power of attorney to sell it however it will not be considered her assests on which to place a court judgment should someone win a case for damages if the deeds are in someones elses name and not in her name It will be then up to goodwill to pay everyone if sold. however I would double check that with a solicitor as there may be a way round it.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
10/12/2010 03:30

msg 152 are you the same who closed this ..????



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/49592.asp

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/12/2010 08:31

APC

And your point is?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/12/2010 13:35

Msg 152,



Dave, Could you ask Sabena to join / rejoin the forum and explain things herself rather that use you as a conduit ? A great many people have genuine concerns about her behaviour and the least they deserve is a comprehensive explanation of her actions ! She should stop hiding behind innocent 3rd parties !

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/12/2010 15:14

Eamonn

I cannot force anyone to join and it has been suggested that certain parties do so. I have allowed the 3 sides to state their case which they have done. I am trying to keep this topic balanced and if a certain party wants to make statements via myself without joining the board then that is surely better than no statements at all. The other alternative is that I just step back from it all and ignore e-mails from all parties and leave you all to get on with it.

AJ

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
11/12/2010 15:20

heaven forbide , Eamonn , are you suggesting that a member of admin is biased ....tut ...tut ....

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/12/2010 15:46

APC

I notice that you have not had the temerity to answer my posting 155.

AJ

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
11/12/2010 15:49

after being banned for a month for questioning admin ,,,I am very carefull what I voice now , you have access to my email , if you wish then I may put forward my views ..........

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/12/2010 15:56

Msg, 157,



Dave,



Of course, you can't force anyone to join the forum but as Sabena is obviously reading the posts and choosing to only communicate through you with the people that were affected by her actions. She is , in my opinion,behaving in a cowardly manner and is not deserving of your protection. You posted on another thread, her statement about this sorry affair, in which she used your good offices to lie about contacting , by email, her erstwhile clients. Her statements cannot be trusted and are at best, self serving. Let her post her own comments or none at all !!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/12/2010 17:22

Eamonn

Thank you for your reasoned and sensible reply (unlike other members of this board).

First of all I have met and have had dealings with Sabena with regards to a neighbour of mine that resides in the UK and used North Cyprus Rentals to let her property. Secondly I have had dealings with the owner of bar 8.8 (and also some of his supportive friends) post Sabena's departure so I have seen both sides of the story. I will continue to post anything that Sabena wants to be posted regardless of whether I regard it as right or wrong. I am just the messenger and I am not supporting or protecting her or anyone else. If there is a consensus of opinion that I should not be relaying messages from Sabena then I am quite happy to stop doing so. All I would say is at the least you are getting replies but if you all want that to stop then so be it.

AJ

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
11/12/2010 19:26

back to the top...........

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 21:02

Could I just say a Big Thank You to the people who have emailed me with information about Sabena's dealings, her whereabouts in England/ Ireland, her property ownership in northern Cyprus, and especially to those who have reported her to the English Police. I continue to follow up on these leads as best I can and urge other victims to report to their local constabulary in England any concerns they have about monies that were lodged by them in any accounts run by Sabena there.I think this is the best course of action for those who want satisfaction. The more people report wrongdoings, the more the authorities will take notice of it and the greater the chances of criminal action being initiated !! Keep up the good work, the English police are taking this matter seriously !!

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
12/12/2010 23:44

Eamonn,



You think she may be in Ireland ??

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
13/12/2010 01:13

Msg 165,



I have had an email to that effect, and have passed on this info, we'll see how it develops !

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
13/12/2010 08:08

Message 162. I cannot understand why people wish to stop Sabena sending via you. I, like others,feel that any posts from her are better than none.



Message 161. Not sending any info would be more cowardly.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
13/12/2010 14:01

Msg 167,



False information and half truths are no good to anybody.

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
13/12/2010 18:07

Ok. If you know message 168 is correct then I would agree.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
23/12/2010 01:18

any updates ...any money retrieved ..??

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
25/12/2010 20:38

Msg, 170,



No money returned to the best of my knowledge. Don't expect any fresh news until the New Year.



Seasons Greetings to all of Sabena's victims and to All people of Goodwill !!!!!!!!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
25/12/2010 20:42

Forgot to say a special Thank You to the forum administrators for their hard work during the year and their efforts to keep things civilized !!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 13:43

sadly they failed on this one!!!!!

They are allowing a person to be hung drawn and quartered by a Kangroo court - she is guilty as charged!!!! sir - now start the stoning

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 17:25

Msg 173,



Sadly Hilda,"there are none so blind as they who will not see " Maybe you should pay a visit to Specsavers for the New Year or alternatively speak to some of the locals there who have been victims of Sabena - their stories will open your eyes !!



Happy New Year !

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 18:35

Are you the Judge or just a member of the jury?????

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 18:36

Maybe you need your blinkers changed!!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 19:23

Hilda,



Once again, I ask you to read the posts on this thread before you defend the indefensible. You seem intent on ignoring the facts as set out on this thread by the victims of Sabena's scam . Maybe you think it is all a big conspiracy, by people who don't personally know each other, to blacken Sabena's name ? You really need a reality check. Wake up, accept the facts as set out by at least 6 members here. Your cries of victimhood are very shallow and frankly, are insulting to those us who are out of pocket because of your friends actions. I have Not slandered or libeled Sabena, I have only told the truth as I know it and many others agree with me !! The English police tell me that there is a prima facia case of embezzlement for Sabena to answer, but then again, maybe there are a part of this great conspiracy !!! If I am blinkered then you are BLIND.

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 13:37

Hilda

Maybe you can pay back everyone that is out of pocket, and when you next see Sabina, get the money from her, as you seem to have so much trust in her. When her own good friends have been left out of pocket with no explaination, then I fail to see how you can be so supportive of her. We are not talking about a couple of hundred pounds here but thousands.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 19:08

I have no connection with Sabina at all - I know her. I am just amazed to see that people can use terms like 'a friend said' ' I heard' 'I was told' etc etc etc and then use all of this and refer to it as 'fact'.

Unlike British Law a 'person' cannot be made bankrupt here but a company can. If a company is a limited company then there is a case for 'limited liability' which means that the assets of the company are considered in bankruptscy but not the assets of the person . I have lost over £100,000.00 due to a similar circumstance with my builder - had he been a limited company (as in this case) I may have had some come-back. I have visited my house today (which I cannot live in and have waited 5 years for) and have been told that I need to spend a further £60,000 for it to be finished - Folks on this thread want Sabina hung, drawn and quartered for a couple of thousand - I wish I had only been duped for a couple or a few thousand. Believe me I am not blind I can see all to clearly!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 19:09

I also do not see or speak to Sabina - I just do not like kangaroo courts and chinese whispers stated as fact!

force9


Joined: 01/08/2010
Posts: 97

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 20:36

If you are reading this forum Sabena I personally would like to know how you are you can email me gail@hotmail.co.uk thank you. This is no disrespect to anyone suffering from what has happened I would just like to speak with my friend.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 21:00

I have a lot of empathy for people that have been ripped off by this woman, but i have to ask what do you hope to achieve?? the answer is nothing other than look foolish.

It will all come out in the wash and every dogwill have its day, until then don't let it haunt you and move on life is to short

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 22:19

Force9



Are you sure it's not gailparker@hotmail.co.uk?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
04/01/2011 00:14

A Happy New Year to All Of Sabena's Victims ,



I Hope that 2011, even if it does not bring financial restitution, will bring to those who have been cheated , the good news that Sabena will be seriously inconvenienced in her everyday activities, as a precurser to her to arrest and questioning . I have been asked by some interested parties not to post so many details, as they rightly say that Sabena reads these threads and too much information helps her !! I agree, but also think that it shows her the anger that many people, " her friends" feel. So, victims, dont' stop believing ( I feel a rock song coming on ) it's only matter of time and there''s plenty of that !! Again, Sabena excepted, A Happy New Year To All !!!!!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
04/01/2011 00:50

Glad tidings, peace and goodwill to all men during this festive season!!!!!!!!!!

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
04/01/2011 01:26

Hear hear!

citychick


Joined: 27/09/2008
Posts: 200

Message Posted:
04/01/2011 17:38

Well i would just like to say that we received the money that Sabena owed us on the 1st Jan. I would like to thank her for paying it to us. True to her word when i spoke to her via the computer a couple of weeks ago we agreed on the amout owing and in due course we have received it. She has also informed me that she does have every intention of paying back everyone that is owed money. So thanks again Sabena.



Citychick

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
04/01/2011 18:04

citychick



That's good news but then it is only £400, isn't it, out of a total that may be as much as £250,000 in total. Any idea where she is going to find that?

citychick


Joined: 27/09/2008
Posts: 200

Message Posted:
04/01/2011 18:44

Not sure how you have come to that amount but whatever the amount it has been paid.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
04/01/2011 20:38

you know the old saying

' little apples are sweet '

I wish my builder only owed my a couple of measly thousand instead of £100,000.00

There are bigger thieves on this island than Sabina - she is small fry in comparison to others and at least she is trying to make amends

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
04/01/2011 21:02

HildySmith, (mess 190)



The TRNC is full of of thieves big & small! I like you wish I was only owed a couple of thousand! that doesn't make what North Cyprus Rentals have done to innocent victims ok, does it?



Blackpoolfan (mess 182)



It's very easy for you to say walk away, until you have been shafted by some of the low life that live in the TRNC (and please don't say it goes on in the rest of the world)!! we are not talking about the rest of the world are we!



I remember being told not to wash my dirty linen in public! I worked very hard to make sure no-one was again shafted by Aga together with the TRNC Government! telling people to move on when some have lost everything is very condescending, perhaps these victims have not lost a lot, but anything is relative, I don't know Sabina, what I do know is that nothing should be brushed under the carpet, and North Cyprus Rentals shouldn't be allowed to get away with whatever happened, to continue to shaft other victims!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
05/01/2011 02:27

Msg 187,

Kerri, Pleased to hear that you have been paid the money owed to you by Sabena. Please share Sabena,s email address/ contact details with the rest of us who are waiting for payment. A bit of solidarity would go a long way !!

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
05/01/2011 17:09

Maybe Sabina is paying her friends back first so as to save face,not a bad move really if she wants to return.



HildySmith wrote "There are bigger thieves on this island than Sabina - she is small fry in comparison to others and at least she is trying to make amends".



At least you have now admitted she is a thief well done.



Any type of theft large or small is the lowest of the low, and is damaging to a persons life, ask anyone that has been a victim of such a crime. There is no excuse for such an act.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
06/01/2011 18:27

Msg 193,



Totally agree with bazilbrush's comments , and as regards the payment to citychick, one swallow does not a summer make !

WilliamO


Joined: 30/11/2010
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 11:43

EamonnMc, please advise your email address - I would like to contact you.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 15:09

WilliamO,



Please post your email address and I will contact you !

WilliamO


Joined: 30/11/2010
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 15:58

wossle@hotmail.com

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
13/02/2011 02:30

I Notice Bar 8.8 has changed hands ! I have been informed that Huseyin, however unknowingly, was / is, a director of North Cyprus Rentals. Have also had information that he visited Sabena in London before Christmas !



If this is true, it would bring into question certain statements made to the press in northern Cyprus !

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
13/02/2011 08:16

More 'Hearsay'

"I have been informed"

"however unknowingly was/is a director" Eh!!!!!!!!

'Had informatio that he......"

"If this is true"..........

'it would bring into question certain statements made......etc'

ALL STATEMENTS STARTING WITH THESE PHRASES ARE QUESTIONABLE -

if you know FACTS - STATE FACTS!!!!!!!

Stop making things worse for all those investers involved by spreading unsubstantiated statements and causing more anxiety. If it is a Limited Company then it is now in the hand of the Administrators - They are dealing with matters now - Stop causing additional worry and anxiety to the investors with rumours and hearsay.

clairegordon


Joined: 18/11/2010
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
13/02/2011 08:32

My statement is not questionable hildysmith she ripped me off for £2000 but things are progressing - now go away you KNOW nothing !