IPC an effective solution?

Bradus


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Message Posted:
23/12/2010 23:24

Came across this interesting post regarding the IPC and progress made so far. Makes you wonder what will eventually happen to Varosha and how this will form part of any future settlement?







http://tinyurl.com/34st8wf

apc2010


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Message Posted:
23/12/2010 23:31

the bigger question is will they ask for compensation from those who have the land on either side , i believe several t/cs are getting rent from property in the south ..??( this is a rumour) no link as yet

cronos


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Message Posted:
23/12/2010 23:33

A very interesting article....but I do really hate the use of the emotive term "refugee".



It conjures up images of people living in makeshift tents and townships living off Red Cross parcels, rather than the reality which is that displaced people on both sides have settled down and got on with their lives for the last 30+ years.



Don't get me wrong,people on both sides DO need to be recompensed for what they lost and what is still rightly theirs,but let's not make out it's a life or death situation for those involved.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
23/12/2010 23:40

cronos i am sure both sides can show pictures of people living in tents ..if you want I will post them ....do not dismiss on either side the injustices done .................it shows a lack of respect .....and a lack of knowledge.........



if it was not life or death .......where are the missing ..???? would like to hear y-fred and yorg views on this ??

cronos


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Message Posted:
23/12/2010 23:46

apc....don't try to twist my words to further your own ends.



As I said, both sides did have refugees after 1974.....but people haven't lived in tents for 30+ years.



Don't presume to lecture me on facts and knowledge.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
23/12/2010 23:56

have either got back their family homes no ,, ask yfred if he will let the past be the past ....





but people did live in tents ,people buying land in cyprus have not lived in tents though no fault of their own , that is possible why there is an anti-british attitude .............





yet they buy land on either side with no consideration to past or present feelings .....as long as the sun shines and the property is cheap .............





One member of this forum tonight said "it is part of turkey accept it "





no wonder there is a backlash against ex-pats (all natioalities ..not just british as said on another post )...

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:07

AND msg 3 ..how can you say it was not life or death ....................how many people got killed on this island between 58 and 74 ............excluding the anti-british movement in the 50s...????

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:09

Its the term refugee that no longer seems appropriate. Yes, it was in 1974 but now surely we are talking about displaced people rather than refugees?

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:13

the thing that ******* me off most is that expats buying /renting here ,have so little regard to either t/c or g/c .............if someone took YOUR house/ property ..would you say ..HEY that was 30 odd years ago ????





no, because if it happened to you ..you would probally not be in a position to buy a property abroad ...

cronos


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:14

APC....I know I keep asking but PLEASE read my post carefully rather than interpreting it to suit your own rhetoric.



I am commenting on a CURRENT article....regarding the IPC...that still refers to people as refugees.



It WAS life or death....everyone accepts that....but compensation is NOT a life or death situation NOW.....get it ?



And I would suggest that any perceived anti-British or a back lash against ex-pats that you allude to is more to do with the fact that the gravy train has run its course,and the TRNC doesn't like the fact that us foreigners expect to be treated equally whilst being "guests" in NC.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:21

cronos respectfully what a load of b****** , if you are working in a minimum wage job and you own enough land( on either side) to be retired , would you not feel a little bit upset ???? I should not have said anti-british i should have said anti expat..........how many people bought property knowing it was not the original owners to sell ..????????????



This applies to both sides of the border (6m green line) .........I have no sympathy for anyone who loses property because of this ............at least you had a choice ...........the original Cypriots had no choice ....

cronos


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:24

You're not listening apc, so I'll leave it at that.



And one more thing....I didn't buy "disputed" property.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:25

and the worst thing on this and other forums this post will get less views than about x-factor .....



no wonder Yorg and co say "if you do not like it leave" ....................

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:28

cronos it was not solely directed at you ,,,(apology) I was generalising ....again sorry you were the object of this discussion , it was an overall view of what I read on forums ...................lets see how many view this gets ????

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:33

cronos;

For 21.5 years in 23 in uk (first 1.5 years was not paid by who I worked for)I paid my NI contrubituins,taxes,bussiness taxes,bussiness rates,employed english (except 1)people and paid their NI and their taxes............



I'd like to call that 'one contributing to the countries economy'!



Would you care to enlighten us how you/ex pats in general are/have contributed to TRNC's economy?



Other then,of course,buying a house and making few individuals rich,shopping in markets(mostly in south),paying 150tl counsil tax per year,using airlines to fly to UK and back(from larnaca)..........



and also.............MERRY CHRISTMAS.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:34

Sorry, apc2010, the links don't work.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:37

thank you yorg ...???????????

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:37

Message 16 what is the relevance to this thread?

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:38

hey , yorg stop moaning that was 30 odd years ago .........(sic)

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:40

sorry link does not work .......was of people in Cyprus living in tents in this generation ..

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:41

bRADUS,

APOLOGIES FOR GOING OFF TOPIC,BUT i WAS REFERING TO THIS



>>"the TRNC doesn't like the fact that us foreigners expect to be treated equally whilst being "guests" in NC."<<

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:45

the more important thing for ex-pats is that if the ipc is continued .....will Turkey keep paying or go back to the owners /renters of the property .........obviously this will not afffect t/cs because they also lost land ...for how long will turkey compensate g/cs for ex-pats ..????????

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:55

Yes now I see the connection. However Yorgozlu, I do believe that there are many British people that would love to be offered the same opportunities as you had when working in Britain and running a business. Unfortunately its very difficult to do this in the TRNC because of the many restrictions. Like you I believe that people should contribute to their new home land and setting up businesses, employing locals, paying taxes and insurance would be one way of doing this. All monies earned would then be spent within the community benefiting all.



Its such a shame that more is not done to encourage this.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 00:58

Bradus, as yorg has said before there is a reason property is cheap ...........the country is not yet recognised ...........if anyone moved to n/cyprus not knowing that then they are deluded ........





move to an eu country, work and have equal rights .....





you pay your money yo take your chances ........

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 01:20

apc2010,



I know why property is cheap and I would agree with your statements about having equal rights in an EU country. However I am merely referring to the long term prospects and how the TRNC can improve its economy by allowing business opportunities to all.



I have studied the Cyprus problem over many years and I am fully aware that many people were left homeless and lived in make shift tents following the invasion. The photos and recollections from the refugees are certainly emotionally provocative and pull at the heart strings.They were certainly correctly classed as refugees at this time. I have always believed that it is wrong to benefit from others misery and loss, so would personally never buy a GC property. However I refuse to class Cypriots in TODAY'S world as refugees. They are displaced and in no way does this alter their human right to their property and home but refugee status they are not.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 01:26

ok , I give you that Bradus ...how long is the cut off point ????



and are you saying that people who bought "exchange" land are benefiting from someone elses loss..??

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 01:41

Yes I am saying that. The cut off period has to be when the "refugee" has been re-homed, has full time employment, access to health and education, legal rights and their lifestyle is of a similar quality as the rest of the community. I don't thing the very rich (and many are) should really be classed as refugees.



However this does not impact on their rights regarding the ownership of their property. It merely makes their situation less of a humane priority, than say those who are still living in war torn areas and in fear and have no access to the above.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 01:44

sensible comment ...and yes I agree that not many now are "on the bread line".....any suggestions on the property issue ..??



and very brave of you saying that .........hats off to you ...

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 02:22

I am in favour of the IPC as one method. There are many GC's that have absolutely no intention of ever returning to their property and simply want resolution during their life. As long as the money offered is sensible, then I think the ROC should stop using their well oiled propaganda machine and remove the stigma attached to using this format. If the money offered is not appropriate then applicants can move to the ECHR's.



I have read that there are some GC's living in TC homes in the South. They do not wish to move from these "rented" properties but want ownership and the security that comes with having their deeds. If the original TC owner has been given property in the North then this should be viewed as an agreed swap and legally exchanged.



Where restitution is possible then this should be allowed and the process speeded up. There needs to be more research to establish the true scale of the problem. Exactly how much land can be returned?

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 02:29

Bradus again sense ...........but the problem on this forum is many people KNOW they have bought exchange land and want to burry their head in the sand or dispute what has gone on ....the same in the roc ...no bias ....



the sad thing is ..IF there is a solution , the last people who will be considered will be the ex-pats ..1st will be the Cypriots ...the rest will be not even in the equation ...........





nice to speak to a realist .....allthe best ,......have a good xmas

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 02:39

How much can be exchanged? What percentage remains to be settled?



Finally I believe that Varosha should be returned to the ROC and the area developed for the return of internally displaced Cypriots that wish to take up residence there.



Do I believe that foreigners that have purchased GC properties should pay compensation? NO! The TRNC chose to develop and sell such properties. They assured purchasers that they would take responsibility for any future claims. People therefore bought in good faith. The price paid is irrelevant, they paid the going rate. The problem has to be solved by the ROC, Turkey and the TRNC.



However I still believe that the true owner is the person that owned their land at the time of the invasion, so if the owner wants return it should be his legal right. Compensation should then be paid to the foreign purchaser, be it financial or an exchange property of a similar value.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 02:42

I totally agree the ex pats will be the losers in any solution. However I think this would be very unjust and discriminatory.



Happy Xmas and all the best in the New Year

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 02:43

so who should pay the original owners .??/ the respective governments ...sounds good on paper but they will want something back somewhere ..whether through taxes or direct payment ....in my opinion ...

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 02:55

At the end of the day, what is very evident, is that the respective Governments always seem to do what is beneficial for themselves rather than the people. The voice of the people appears to be ignored. Yet the decision should lay firmly with the Cypriots that are the true victims. The property problem is unlikely to be solved because of the lack of political willpower and the unwillingness of both sides to compromise. Meanwhile the people suffer in limbo.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
24/12/2010 02:58

again i agree , the problem is in this generation of politicians ..they still have skeletons in the cupboard .....





again as in all over the world the "man on the street " is the only one to suffer ..........

islandgirl


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 00:14

A reminder that it was the TC government that guaranteed the title on the homes they were happy to see sold to expats.



As for TCs on minimum wage, the majority would not work for min wage and prefer to have Civil Service jobs where they work ridiculously short hour for too much money and would not know a days work if it bit them on the bottom or they seem to think they are born into management. It seems the mainlanders do the minimum wage jobs and get treated like second class citizens by the ungrateful TCs for the privilege. Many TCs have ROC and subsequently EU passports so they have free travel within the UK and Europe and the benefits that go with it, healthcare in UK etc whilst EU passport holders need visas, residency, driving licences etc You cannot say Expats don't contribute. Whilst independence from Europe is stated the other hand gladly accepts the millions handed out to the TRNC by Europe including the tax paying population of the UK.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 02:19

TC government has not changed about guaranting the title deeds,it is 'your' assets in another EU country that causing your problems which TRNC government cannot be held responsible for.



As for TCs working wherever,it has nothing to do with you or anyone else who is not a citizen.The only thing you need to worry is to be above water and obtain what you need to in order to secure your stay in TRNC.



and,the TCs with RoC passaports have got them because it is within TCs right since TCs are CYPRIOT.Rest of the world,particularly UK should be ashamed of themselves for denying this from TCs for 29 years.Not that TCs would have been given whats theirs had EU not cocked up yet again by taking RoC within as whole and then forcing RoC to give US what is OURS.



and,the mainland Turkish people in TRNC are second class as it'd be the same in any other country inc uk, but not citizens,like yourself.



and..........if you wanted to live in a country and still have your EU citizenship rights,w

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 02:25

MSG 37 CONT.



..why did you buy in TRNC?



perhaps the cheap property prices had attracted you also!



Far too many of you 'guests' (british,,ex soviet union but now in eu) are here for well known reasons.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 02:33

yorg please expand your statement ....are you implying that non-cypriots took advantage of a country that has been divided by war ,,,,,,,,???? on both sides

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 02:45

apc;



You want to bake the cake and eat it as well?



Merry Christmas

islandgirl


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 08:55

Quote "the mainland Turkish people in TRNC are second class" says it all.



"and,the TCs with RoC passaports have got them because it is within TCs right since TCs are CYPRIOT.Rest of the world,particularly UK should be ashamed of themselves for denying this from TCs for 29 years.Not that TCs would have been given whats theirs had EU not cocked up yet again by taking RoC within as whole and then forcing RoC to give US what is OURS."



The TRNC declared itself an independent country, yet you take all the benefits of being part of the EU, including free movement of labour, healthcare etc PURE Hipocrisy



Do not assume my assets are causing me any problems, the TC government may well be standing by its guarantee but that guarantee is being underwritten by the mainland Turkish taxpayer via settlements within the IPC, the people who you say are "SECOND CLASS"



I live in the TRNC because it is not EU which people like yourself keep reminding us whilst enjoying all the EU benefits thems

islandgirl


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 09:03

"You want to bake the cake and eat it as well? "



EXACTLY what TCs want, EU benefits, hand outs, grants, donations, support etc

bar88jack


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 09:52

spot on message 42 for far to long T/C governments have played the victim whilst taxing to the hilt.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 12:43

msg 41-42;



You sound like 'another brit with bitter sorrows' for not being handed out what you got used to in uk.



However,simple solution of being recognised would solve everything WE/TCs want.All the while 'you',eu member countries and rest of the world carry on imprisoning US,'you' dont even have a right to speak,let alone anything else.





In the meantime,if you are not happy living in OUR beautiful country and would like somewhere in EU but still cheap,try Bulgaria or Romania.See what 'EU' rights they'd give you.If you are still not happy......................home sweet home.................





Merry Christmas

yrret


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 13:48

I think if the IPC proves anything, it is that a minority of GC's who have given up on the dream sold to them in the past of owning the world now understand that 'most of something' is better than 'all of nothing'

Bradus


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 14:18

I am not sure that being recognised will solve everything you want Yorgozlu.



Being recognised means your on your own with no handouts. You either sink or swim. No more constantly bailing unprofitable airlines out, no more jobs for the boys, no more creating jobs that are not needed and a complete overhaul of the present structure and unprofitable ways of working .It means being accountable for your actions.



In all honesty there has been a reluctance to embrace any form of change and unfortunately the TRNC has yet to show the world that it is ready or equipped to do this.One would have thought that a proactive Government and people had already started to work towards this. They have not and that's probably due to the fact that the current system meets the vast financial needs of a few individuals, who are unfortunately in power, rather than the everyday citizen.

islandgirl


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 14:19

No not at all, happy with my life here do not find it expensive I do find it laughable how hipocritical you all are. As for recognition you would not know what hit you. You cannot have your cake and eat it, if you become a single island you will be in the EU then any EU citizen could buy property here, work here and the lazy local would be out on their bums. If you were independent you would be bankrupt in 5mins. You cannot have your cake and eat it.



Happy with my life and will be happy whatever the outcome here

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 17:54

Bradus;



Please do not take my comments to few individuals too seriously as I only bring myself down to their level just to tell them that 'they have no saying' in this.



However,as much as I agree with almost all in your re msg 46,being recognised and foreign citizens being able to move,work freely would be the indication of the TRNC moving towards better days.Of course I'm aware of things getting worst before moving towarsd better days as well.



Not to forget one major fact regarding current 'guests' in TRNC that they'd no longer be able to get away with murder.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 18:06

msg 47



>>"I do find it laughable how hipocritical you all are"<<



'YOU' have found the perfect description for yourself and the likes of you.Nobody forced you to buy or live here in TRNC.Another "little britainist" springs to mind who does nothing but moan and whinge regardless where you live.You are NOT here in TRNC to set all right,but here because you've found a cheap way of living.So,the best thing for you to do is to shut up or put up.It is the ones like you that gives the brits bad name of being called 'whingers' and puts your own nation to shame.



I'd be glad to run you to airport on your way back.FREE

islandgirl


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 18:27

WHY am I hipocritical? deal with that question first please.



You deal with NONE of my observations other than to make assumptions on me, my background and my lifestyle.

I am so far from your description you would not believe, i do put up, I do not need to shut up, i have not made any whinges as you claim, my own nation puts its self to shame which is why I chose to live here. If you want to make yourself credible, address some of the things I have mentioned as opposed to making unfounded remarks and accusations about me

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 21:49

First of all you need to flick the chip off your shoulder as the mentioned 'you' is in general.Secondly,you as a person or 'you' in general are NOT here to put the TRNC to right .So,I have NOT made any accusations about you but 'you' in general.I refuse to go into personal discussions with anyone.If thats what your intention is,my e-mail ad is in my profile along with my picture.Cyprus is no longer British colony,and 'you' no longer have saying in it.Thats what I have been telling you but had no luck so far.

If you want to take up Cyprus problems,perhups 'you' should start with your own government first and ask them "why on earth with what right they refuse to recognise a nation of ex British colony"?



The answer for above is also very simple!TURKEY and RoC.

Go tell 'your' own government to take it up on them instead of bum liking or buuls**ting to them all the time,which is also a typical British thing.Say one thing to your face and do complete opposite behind.



pardon...who ar

islandgirl


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 22:02

You make no sense at all END OF STORY. Happy to debate with someone with a modicum of intelligence.!

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 22:16

Thats exactly what the British government did also in 1974 and proved to the world how much of a 'guarantor' they are and played 'ignorant'.............to this day they still do.



There are too many outside doll ques at job centres.You can join them for intelligent debates to sort out your own country.................and carry on in the pub after.........then off for a curry or kebap,run by????????????????



HAPPY DEBATES

islandgirl


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 22:25

Case rested

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 22:27

Glad you've finally GOT IT.

islandgirl


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 22:46

You have no idea do you, total ignorance, it is almost unbelievable.

Denny


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 22:54

Msg 3 "It conjures up images of people living in makeshift tents and townships living off Red Cross parcels, rather than the reality which is that displaced people on both sides have settled down and got on with their lives for the last 30+ years."



Which means we can take over their place in the sun. Yippee!!!

Bradus


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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 22:58

You appear to be doing everything but debate Yorgozlu. The original subject matter was about the effectiveness of the IPC. You seem somehow to have turned this into some sort of sitcom along the lines of "love thy neighbor"

(you would have to be of a certain age to remember it)



Having no further wish to listen to your rantings, because you certainly never discuss or debate, I will now leave to sign on at the dole office, followed by a few in the pub and a curry or kebab for my supper. Of course during my time in the pub I will be a moan and whinge and do my best to put my Nation to shame. Or should I simply take your advice and put up and shut up?



No..... best I stick to bum liking or bulls**ting that typical British thing.



Well best go now,because as you say " Far too many 'guests' (British,,ex Soviet Union but now in EU) are here for well known reasons.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/12/2010 23:16

Bradus;

"And I would suggest that any perceived anti-British or a back lash against ex-pats that you allude to is more to do with the fact that the gravy train has run its course,and the TRNC doesn't like the fact that us foreigners expect to be treated equally whilst being "guests" in NC. "£



.....and,msgs 23,36,41,42,43,47,50,52,54,56 are NOT my comments.I replied relevantly.

Perhaps,you should be telling your fellow countryman to stick with the topic and leave TRNCs 'home' issues for TCs to sort out.



ps.I dont apologise twice.

cronos


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Message Posted:
26/12/2010 00:32

Yorgo...msg 59



That quote was one of mine, and it obviously struck a chord !



Islandgirl presented some very salient points which as usual you chose to ignore, and you simply regurgitate your usual rhetoric about poor little TRNC.



I genuinely think that you've played the victim card too long....the TRNC ARE a young country, but they've had 36 years to get their act together.





When it comes to property matters, they don't look after their own citizens...apart from the "connected"....and they certainly don't look after foreigners.



You have enjoyed the benefits of dual citizenship in the UK and TRNC, yet you seem to believe that it is ok to treat Brits in TRNC with contempt.



As usual your attitude seems to be, "if you don't like it,then bu**er off back to Britain".



If you were the poster boy for the TRNC then I'm sure that tourism and the property market would dry up completely.....but then again I'm sure that wouldn't bother you in the slightest !

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
26/12/2010 08:57

cronos;



"That quote was one of mine, and it obviously struck a chord !"



Yeap,it was your comments and used it as being the first one to go off topic along with other ones that I had given msg no.s for.

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"Islandgirl presented some very salient points which as usual you chose to ignore, and you simply regurgitate your usual rhetoric about poor little TRNC."



off topic,and I pointed out to 'islangirl' that "none of you bought here with the purpose of sorting out TRNCs or even Cyprus political problems.

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"I genuinely think that you've played the victim card too long....the TRNC ARE a young country, but they've had 36 years to get their act together. "



PLAYED VICTIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps,you mean IGNORED BY THE WHOLE WORLD!

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"When it comes to property matters, they don't look after their own citizens...apart from the "connected"....and they certainly don't look after foreigners."



Agreed,but again off topic.

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yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 09:16

msg 61 cont.;



"You have enjoyed the benefits of dual citizenship in the UK and TRNC, yet you seem to believe that it is ok to treat Brits in TRNC with contempt."

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I shall also carry on enjoying Irish,RoC and Turkish citizenships along with the other 2.However,you've failed to mention why most Cypriots were born British citizens!

Perhaps also you mean,some of British being treated with contempt which I dont agree!

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>>"As usual your attitude seems to be, "if you don't like it,then bu**er off back to Britain". <<



Yeap,you are right again..........and,thats what I'd DO.Not to forget the fact that,one should've done the homework before jumping to buy 'cheap property'!

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>>"If you were the poster boy for the TRNC then I'm sure that tourism and the property market would dry up completely.....but then again I'm sure that wouldn't bother you in the slightest !"<<

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thatman


Joined: 23/12/2010
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 09:24

Yeap,you are right again..........and,thats what I'd DO.Not to forget the fact that,one should've done the homework before jumping to buy





>>>'cheap property'! <<<



a popular misconception by those who do not wish to acknowledge there is corruption of the highest order in trnc.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 09:27

msg 62 cont.;



Nor property market or tourism had existed in TRNC up until few years ago,particularly by British.Would you care to remind me 'where you were' up until then?In fact,to most of you British WE didnt even exist.As far Cyprus was concerned,it WAS Greek.'You've assumed I was greek when asked where I was from in UK.

...........yet,'you' are trying to lecture 'me'........on the grounds of WHAT?



.............PERSONAL GAINS is the only thing that springs to ones mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hope you are having a nice Christmas.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 09:42

thatman;



>>>>>>>>>>corruption <<<<<<<<<<<<



........is something that exists in every country........and in TRNCs case it is the governments biggest problem that had allowed few individuals,including British to find the loop hole and use it for their personal gain by attracting you with cheap property prices.



I know an English owned estate agent that had sold 'you' 3/4 donum of land for £27000 more then seller's asking price and charged the seller (TC) commision on top of that,based on sellers asking price.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 00:38

is the ipc due to be closed in the new year ..??

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 01:38

It has been extended until 31 Dec 2011



It is doing well and many are applying. It is at least a small but very important step forward.



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 19:54

You must know how Yorkozlu is ....he is direct and never masticate his words and probaply made from explosive

material TNT< C4? good yiorko i like it.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 01:08

hi Yorkozlu, do you own a Creek Cypriot property?or pre turkish land?

just wondered in lay man's terms what happens to the TC who since 74 have settled on given land?do they too fall in the same bracket as the brit's or will they as TC be given special treatment, particully those who were too poor before 74 and have no land in the south to go back too, and still too poor to meet any compensation liabled on them, and do you think Turkey will rid off all turks from mainland who were given land for many reasons and have lived In NC for countless of yrs,my wife's parents left larnaca after the sec world war, their parent homes they discovered later were demolished and tarmac'ed, and don't have any proof of ownership to date,how should they be resettled in the south after any settlement? this is a catch 22 situation that needs a miracle to balance everybody dislodged

just want your thoughts on this cheers bash

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 11:43

No - one forced us to buy here, but no-one refused to sell to us . The FCO warned us against buying but then produced a list of approved Advocates. We are accused of whinging if we have legitimate complaints.

We are 'feeling sorry for ourselves' if we complain about forceable and illegal repossession of our home.

We bought too cheaply according to a well known Advcocate and the Minister of Finance. Yes what a

welcoming place - personally I cannot understand why the Property Market is dead.



SOON THEY WONT BE ABLE TO GIVE THE PROPERTY AWAY HERE, never mind being sold too cheaply. Dont they realise that every time they try to justify themselves they just drive another nail in the coffin.



You have a property here, have the Kocan and so are not affected by all this. Dream on, just try to sell and see what it is NOW worth.