Bars flouting Smoking ban

oldshep


Joined: 02/11/2008
Posts: 609

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 12:32

some bar are flouting smoking ban , even though its illegal what can we do do we name a sham ?

biglugs


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 12:45

David,are u still in Cyprus ?

cyprustimes


Joined: 22/10/2010
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 13:22

,.. oo it was him sir !!! anti smoking do gooders ,.

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 13:33

Why not just have a quiet word with the owner of the establishment, rather than naming and dragging it all out on this forum like so many love to do. You know it makes sense, Happy New year.................. to all.

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 13:41

cyprustimes,



Surely it's not a question of 'Anti smoking do gooders', it's a question of is it acceptable to break the law, and to condone this as the owners of the establishments do along with the perpetrators.



If it is acceptable, as your response would suggest, then we must assume it's acceptable to break other laws?

cyprustimes


Joined: 22/10/2010
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 13:49

break the law ,.. its ok for lawyers builders etc to break laws here ,dare some have a ciggy in bar ,were onwer say its ok ,.. and people in there dont mind ,, if old old old shep doesnt like it ,just leave ,or get yer self a coppers hat ,,old sheps lucky if thats all he can moan about here ,, lucky him , ,,,,,

MickyFinn


Joined: 30/06/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 14:01

Cyprus Times. Maybe the owner does say it`s ok but I have never been in a bar where they are smoking, where they have asked other people if they don`t mind. They just light up. My understanding is that if you are in a bar or restaurant having a meal, then you are in your rights to complain to the proprieter and get up and walk out without paying.

cyprustimes


Joined: 22/10/2010
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 14:10

were in cyprus ,.. not uk ,.not eu either,..

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 14:13

May be you could let us know so the people who fancy a smoke with their Drink could visit them and support them,

jamestalbot


Joined: 20/12/2009
Posts: 958

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 14:17

Whilst I do NOT smoke myself or like being in a cafe eating with someone smoking, I think other arrangements should be made for people who like to smoke, an alternative area within the inside of a premises.



After all we all have rights, why should smokers be denied theirs, also has message 8 says we are not in the UK

cyprustimes


Joined: 22/10/2010
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 14:21

here here james ..funny think is many bars that are localy owned let u smoke !!....

MickyFinn


Joined: 30/06/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 14:21

Were you not here last January when the NO smoking in bars was introduced? Yes, this IS Cyprus and as such we should abide by their laws!!! Too many people trying to turn it into Little Britain.

cyprustimes


Joined: 22/10/2010
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 14:24

funny here , thought it was who u know not wot u know ,.. love it here ,..,thats why were here because its not britain,

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 14:33

I do know a few people who are quite flexible with the law.

I have been told by a drinker in a bar that people who drive UK cars should have them confiscated and those without work permits should be deported - he told me this while puffing away on a fag.

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 14:51

Why do smokers always justify breaking the law while making it sound like non smokers are in the wrong for mentioning it.

Answers on a postcard to............!

cyprustimes


Joined: 22/10/2010
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 15:19

funny thing here is ................I DONT EVEN SMOKE ,... HAAAHAA

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 15:29

Perhaps the answer lies here:



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100401151746.htm

racoonchic



Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 15:32

put the smokers out on the street its disgusting..

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 16:04

I really don't give a sh!te if people smoke.

Just don't do it all over me!

dusty48


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 258

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 20:13

Name and shame the places vote with feet

nicolab


Joined: 30/09/2010
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 21:14

everywhere here has an outdoor area .. no need to smoke inside, unless the owners allow it and it is at their discretion.. law abiding or not, but its on their heads for bringing the ashtrays inside.

most brits are used to smoking outside. but again we're not in britain or the EU. even the french stood up for themselves when the ban was imposed on them and good on them



do you complain in the summer when you want to be outside and there are people smoking around you when you're eating?

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 22:00

I am asthmatic. It doesn't take much smoke to make me feel uncomfortable.



I do not enter bars etc if there is anyone smoking.



If someone lights up while I'm there I do indeed ask the waiter or (if that doesn't work) the manager to ask them to stop smoking. I never speak directly to the smoker(s).



On one occasion, in Istanbul, when the manager declined to tell the smoker to stop doing so, we quietly stood up, and left the bar and our half-drunk drinks on the table ... without paying.



Re ; "do you complain in the summer?" No, I don't because there is no law preventing people from smoking outside? However, I do choose not to sit next to smokers' tables, because even outside other peoples' smoke can make me feel uncomfortable.

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
26/12/2010 23:50

live and let live if people want to smoke let them its hard enough getting customers at all i have never smoked but it doesn't bother me as long its not in my face.

oldshep


Joined: 02/11/2008
Posts: 609

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 10:52

well that was interesting, it seems non smokers are the ones in the wrong by asking not to smoke someone elses smoke, while enjoying a pint inside,and should leave, mmmmm Merry Christmas good will to all Men

i am happy if someone wants to burn leaves and breath in the smoke on thier own outside

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 15:28

Non-smokers should be banned from all public places! These people are a hazard to the mental health of others!



Richard

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 19:46

tell us the place so we can go for a pint and a fag , you dont ever have to go back , unless you want to sit outside lmao .

MisterT


Joined: 23/12/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 23:32

Dear Mr & Mrs Smoker,



The reside product from tobacco smoking is ingested by all of us in the vicinity of you, the smoker (second hand smoke). Through no choice of the non smoker it is difficult to avoid ie clouded in smoke.



Now here's an interesting synopsis. I don't smoke but I do drink Efes. The residue product from my pass time is urine. How about if I allow you to cover me in your residue and in return you allow me to cover you in mine?



Just a thought.



Stub it out!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 23:35

interesting anology xxxx Happy New Year Mister T xxxxxxxx

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 23:37

as long as you dont do it on my face ,as i may be smoking at the time ,then feel free

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
27/12/2010 23:44

MisterT...at least it will put out the ciggies!

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
28/12/2010 19:48

This is constantly being aired - getting boring now!

By the way Drink Driving is against the law too but quite a few people do this as well. Some people posting have been banned but do we name and shame them.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/12/2010 20:26

mesage 31 why not go on you know you want to tit for tat an all that - if you want to smoke go outside at least its not as cold as here was a few days ago you poor things so hard for you all still you will get over it - yeah reformed smoker always the worst ones aren;t they !!! lll I will get my violin out for you all



HAPPY NEW YEAR Stub it out for 2011 !!

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
28/12/2010 20:55

Mister T msg 3,



Some people are willing to pay good money for the service you proposed!

dusty48


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 258

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 00:03

If somone starts to smoke indoors report them, the money goes back into the trnc cofers

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 00:04

if any government wants to stop smoking ban them .................oh wait ..how much tax will they lose ????

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 00:09

You have to laugh when the smoking police come to you, sit outside to do the paperwork and light up. You could not make it up. When the visited us we had to talk outside, next door same, pizzaking they had a meal and lit up xxxxxxxxxxxxx

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 00:19

as you said Lilli.................outside!



little respect goes a long way.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 00:21

sorry Lilli,I should have added................Happy New Year to you and yours.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 00:35

In my opinion, as a smoker, if the establishment you are in allows smoking then fine. I know a number of said establishments (which I won't name) where the owners will smoke at the bar and let customers smoke at the bar. Non smokers stay away, simples.



I find a total ban on smoking inside ridiculous. At least in some countries they have the right idea and just have seperate rooms for smokers and non smokers.



I have sat outside smoking on several occasions and you always seem to get a non smoking nazi giving you the evils. It just makes me want to smoke more infront of them.



I was in an airport in Egypt a few years back in a line waiting to go through immigration control. I was smoking and getting evils from some people in front of me. Made me laugh when we all got to the booth. The immigration officer was smoking and gave them a hard time. I was polite and spoke a couple of words of arabic and went straight through.

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 08:22

.Msg 32 I don't want tit for tat but msg 15 stated smoking was against the law therefore I was reminding people so are other things. The reformed bit yes I was lucky to be able to give up but that was mostly down to no pressure of living where smoking was very much accepted. Why oh why can't they have licences for smoking and non-smoking places especially the ones who deal with mostly the wet trade, generally most smokers can cope when eating it’s the bar chat, pint and fag or coffee & fag they miss.

bully



Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 16:56

You could just get a life instead of being a jobsworth busy body

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 18:12

Sorry but I think it is disgusting, I tolerated it when it was legal but also thought it was nice when smokers gave consideration whilst you were eating. When it was banned indoors in bars and restaurants was so much better and you do not have to wash the disgusting smell out of your hair and clothes when you got home. Sadly some bars have given in to pressure of the smoking lobby and capitulated when the clever thing to do would be to create a nice smoking shelter outside to cater for the smokers, put in a nice heater and even a TV if you are a sports bar, problem is there are no clever business-people here. As for smokers, filthy disgusting, unhealthy, unnatural habit, what gives you the right to inflict it on others.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 18:32

keeping away doesn't require a rocket science.

I dont force nobody to smoke,what gives you the right to force me not to smoke????????????

If the governments are so caring for the publics well being,they should stop selling it or allowing it to be sold.









Off for a fagggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

Harriet


Joined: 22/12/2010
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 18:38

Re ; msg 41



Bully wrote "You could just get a life instead of being a jobsworth busy body"



I presume Bully is calling Oldshep a "jobsworth" - implying that Olshep is in a position of authority but is doing his job in an unhelpful way.



OK Bully, so you wanted to be rude to Oldshep, but using the word "jobsworth" here is incorrect. I suggest in future you use a dictionary before making such posts.



And yes, I do agree with Oldshep - if there are laws to stop the actions of some from affecting the health of others, then maybe those laws ought to be enforced.

Harriet


Joined: 22/12/2010
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 19:46

My son and his partner were in an Istanbul Fasil restaurant with most of the colleagues from his school. It was February, so the large group were inside. Shortly after the mezes had arrived, some men on a near-by table started smoking. The smoke was affecting my son and therefore he was about to ask the waiter to tell the smokers to refrain from doing so, when some of his colleagues, on seeing that the table of men were allowed to smoke, also started smoking:-( Obviously my son didn't want to make a scene, but was feeling uncomfortable. Luckily the main course was served a few minutes later, and after paying their share of the bill, my son and his partner left the restaurant. They would have liked to have stayed, but couldn't ... in the smoke-filled room.



Like others, to avoid arguements I don't go into bars and restaurants where people are smoking, but we shouldn't have to go through incidents similar to what my son experienced.

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 20:15

What was the name of the restaurant Harriet?

Harriet


Joined: 22/12/2010
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 20:18

I don't know, but he did say it was somewhere close to the British Consulate.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 20:22

where did the non-smokers eat before the smoking bans .........??????????????? at home all the time ???

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 20:26

My guess is it was one of the restaurants on Nevizade. They do tend to allow smoking in those :-(

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 20:35

Msg 48 : "Where did the non-smokers eat before the smoking bans ... at home all the time?"



No Apc, we used to grin and bear it ... and do harm to our health. Fortunately since then, there have been developments that provided us with a more pleasant and healthier life.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 21:06

Actually mostly we did eat at home in the winter, now it has been banned we like to enjoy eating out more. If my choice is not to smoke should I be therefore not allowed to enjoy the right to eat out without smoking second hand smoke. At the end of the day smoking is unnatural and antisocial, the non-smoker should not have to endure this.



Message 43:- It is your government of your island and we do not have a say as you state BUT it is they who have banned this TAKE IT UP WITH THEM IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY! Failing that do what civil people do and respect the laws.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 21:11

island girl respect which laws ... all of them ............everyone bends the law every now and again do you not ..???

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 21:23

The decision by the new government in Holland to amend the smoking ban introduced two years ago is very welcome, not least because it highlights the intransigence of politicians in the UK. It also gives us somewhere to go for long weekends, but that's another matter.





http://takingliberties.squarespace.com/taking-liberties/2010/11/5/how-the-uk-compares-with-europe.html

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 21:30

msg 52 apc, '............everyone bends the law every now and again do you not ..??? '



Well said with reference to msg 51 who finds it ok to potentially use pirate TV systems. I note that she enquired about getting Dopi some time ago.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:20

Oh and I have my own stalker!



I actually use free to view TV. If you actually read any reference to DOPI, it was not positive! As for bending the law, it is in fact breaking the law and showing no consideration to others. IGNORANCE

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:23

well I am glad you abide by all local and international laws ..island girl .....

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:29

islandgirl, I am not a stalker. I simply looked through your previous posts to see if you were being hypocritical. You tried to make enquiries with Dopi but got no answer from them. You were either trying to enquire about getting it installed or had nothing better to do.



I suspect you are simply hypocritical with regards to abiding by the law.

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:33

Beats me how people can put their health at serious risk by smoking 20+ fags a day. Why not have something really nice to look forward to, like an extra special roll-up to enjoy at home after work? Along with a good glass of wine, it works a treat. Apparently.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:39

Denny, hope your post was directed at people resident in The Netherlands You wouldn't be advocating breaking the law would you lol

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:41

sice when LAW=WHINGERS?



OFF FOR A FAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG AGAIN........anyone fancy free puff...........

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:47

yorg mate, do you not smoke at your computer? I do. It's full of fag ash and I'm proud of it. hehe.



Serious question, do hotels here in TRNC have designated guest rooms for smokers like in the UK?

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:52

Stalker, made enquiries about DOPI, did not like their *status*, did not use them. Sorry but your argument works against you.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:52

LaptaMike;



"yorg mate, do you not smoke at your computer? I do. It's full of fag ash and I'm proud of it. hehe."



Don't know about being proud,but I get nagged at every day when my beautiful wife hoovers it with a faggggggggggggggg in her mouth.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:54

Island girl ...obviously you live in a pre 74 turkish home ....and why should people question your law abiding position ....

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:54

Enjoy your smoking, just don't make the rest of us suffer.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:56

apc you know nothing so don't make assumptions.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 22:59

I still want to know how looking at someones profile on a public forum constitutes being a stalker. That would make most of the users of the forum stalkers would it not?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:02

*assumptions*



hmmmmmmmmmmmm............big word,coming from someone that 'judges' other/s by the level of their second language!

Apearently,those are not intelligent enough.



........when the going gets tough.............the tough gets...................?

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:02

PS to my last post, calling people names for no reason shows the lack of ability to have an adult discussion.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:04

fxxk it i just stay indoors now can have a fag whenever i want , or go golfing when same applies , only one i have to worry about moaning is my missus , but i just send her to the shop for another pack of fags for me and buy her a pack of slim panatellas , works for me .

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:05

I really could not give two hoots what is in other peoples profile, but to drag some old posting out to try and use it to accuse others of hippocracy is a trifle sad, especially when it proves exactly the opposite and you end up looking a tad foolish. Still as long as you can exercise the right to smoke.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:08

hehe rowlo. Enjoy

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:14

msg 71;



If you do NOT like the heat,best thing to do is to get out of the kitchen.





http://www.myvideo.de/watch/429945/ACDC_Highway_To_Hell

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:16

msg 71. I can't be bothered looking at your previous posting again but you basically said you tried calling Dopi but could not get through. Why does that make me look foolish? It basically proves my point that you are a hypocrit.



You want smokers to abide by the law (even in establishments where the owners have decided to allow smoking) but you tried to enquire about getting pirated TV.



It's ok for you to potentially break a minor law but not for others...........



HYPOCRIT HYPOCRIT HYPOCRIT



I can be a hypocrit at times but at least I will admit it.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:18

Msg 73 what, if anything, has that got to do with msg 71! If you are going to coin overworked phrases, try to make them at least partially relevant.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:19

hehe Yorg, got that as my ringtone for my father

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:26

islandgirl msg55, I am curious, which free to view channels do you get? Is it UK free to view or Turkish?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:31

msg 75;



not intelligent enough to GET IT then?



I find it relevant to your comments...............and by the looks of it few others also!



Prepaired to give but not so, the other way round!



Self centred is the only saying that I found in my second language vocabulary that fits in description.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:36

Sorry but you have lost me!

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:40

Like many other non-smokers, to avoid confrontation, I don't frequent establishments where I know the owners have decided to allow smoking. However, when entering a place for the first time, and seeing no one smoking or any ash trays on the table, is it still my responsibility to ask if the owner allows smoking?

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:40

yorg, I didn't actually open the website fully because my windows came up with a warning. I YouTubed highway to hell instead

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:43

74 I have a car amongst other thing so surely I have the potential there to break laws. This does not mean I am a "HYPOCRIT HYPOCRIT HYPOCRIT" I did not go with DOPI because of their pirate status, surely this means I am the opposite.



Free view....that are freely available, not encrypted, from various satellites that are not illegal to view.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:45

if you are using a sky box it is..

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:46

Anyway this is about the law as it pertains to smokers.



Keeping away is not rocket science. So will smokers please keep within the law and not smoke in restaurants and bars where it is not legal. (Noted some bars it is legal so you can go there)



Thankyou

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:48

Not using a sky box.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:48

nice side step island .......you should play footy.............

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:49

Just trying to keep on topic Thanks

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:50

msg82, just because they are free to view in a certain country does not mean they are free to view in other countries. You are most likely breaking international copyright law.



Quote 'I did not go with DOPI because of their pirate status'. The impression I got was that you did not go with Dopi was because they wouldn't answer the phone.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:51

Yorg happy new year to you and your lovely family, cant be bothered to read all the posts, they do not know what we all go through xxxxxxxxxxx

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:52

Let's try not to stray off topic ... and maybe Apc2010 or LaptaMike can ask the question I posed in message 80:



"Like many other non-smokers, to avoid confrontation, I don't frequent establishments where I know the owners have decided to allow smoking. However, when entering a place for the first time, and seeing no one smoking or any ash trays on the table, is it still my responsibility to ask if the owner allows smoking?"

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:55

84,WE DO to bars/restaurants where WE can smoke.'You' obviously also go to those places,do you not?

Why else would you feel the need to whinge?



keep away................it's not a rocket science................honest.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 23:58

bonnie , I am a non smoker what I do not like is people /governments deciding for me what I can or cannot do , if cigarettes are so bad ban them , stop taking taxes .....smoking now then what alcohol .???? burgers??? too much salt.?? I am an adult ...allowed to make my own choices .....







for 100 years ? people have smoked ...the income from tabacco far outways the cost of health care for smokers (in UK),.....

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/12/2010

Laptamike:- "Impression" again you are reading between the lines, adding 2+2 and getting 5. In the end I did not use it, did not like it, one of the reasons was that it was pirated. Another was probably lack of communication, gosh it was over a year ago!



As for what is available to view as freeview, I suggest you start a new thread on it. I am sure Mr mmmmm will enlighten us all. This thread is about smoking in places where it is banned, the mods may shut down for being off topic.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:02

bonnie, sorry I must have missed that one. I know it can be difficult. I don't smoke in restaurants and often won't light up in a bar unless I see someone else do so first. (Apart from the ones where I know it's ok)



If I was in a bar and you walked in, no one smoking and I lit up. If you politely mentioned in a nice friendly way that you didn't like it I would apologise and either go outside or move table as far away as possible from you.



Sorry for all the bickering, it just gets me going at times some of the hypocritical people on this board.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:04

apc;

I have a tatoo on my thumb for those....................****'em.





ps.My name is Salahi,given to me by my parents and for that I repect them,but mostly I'm called Sal in short.

my forum name is yorgozlu,because thats where I'm from............'yiorko'?

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:04

apc2010, agree with you and I am a smoker. Not happy that my rights have been taken away at the stroke of a pen because of EU pressure. I don't smoke around non smokers it is not right and not fair but just how fair is it to make a law that stops me and establishment owners from making their own choices.



I would love to see the law allow smoking in establishments provided that large notices were put on display to warn non smokers that smoking is allowed there. Don't confine me to a small and dingy room because I enjoy a fag, I don't make people who wear to much perfume sit outside nor do I want a swearing room established or a dress code being made a law on the beach for everyone.



Smoking is bad for me, I know that, its bad for anyone even if they don't smoke but in fairness I stand more chance of being killed on the roads out here than from smoking - and they have not banned that yet!

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:05

91 is this not about bars/restaurants that flout the LAWS.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:07

islandgirl, msg93, if you had not called me a stalker it would not have gone this far. It is your own bad judgement to do so that has caused this problem.



If you apologise I will let it go.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:07

>>>the mods may shut down for being off topic. <<<





The going must be getting rather tough for some!

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:09

in canada they have banned wearing perfume ...true ..will find link ,,,,,,this is what worries me .

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:11

98 So it is OK to call me a "HYPOCRIT HYPOCRIT HYPOCRIT"

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:13

apc, some perfumes can be a tad overbearing though Especially with some of the older ladies who put the makeup on with a trowel

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:13

island off topic I know i read the thread where you asked for pirate tv .....the reason you stated was that they did not return your calls and emails ...

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:13

Msg100 The other half would be very happy! Save him a fortune!

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:14

Yes In Halifax Nova Scotia and in Detroit USA too.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:17

msg 103, initially thought they were a poor company because of those things, when we looked in to it in depth we did not like the whole card sharing thing, whole set up seemed dodgy.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:19

well islandgirl, I think you are. Your willing to let this go on. So be it. You never answered the question whether using a public forum that is available worldwide constitutes being a stalker.



You have slandered me in many laws around the world by calling me a stalker. I have simply voiced my opinion in calling you a hypocrit.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:21

4 of us sitting at 'X' bar few weeks ago all smoking and sipping our beers,police walked in,(owner had been warned 3/4 times already).



We all stood up and told the polceman,"who the hell is this man supposed to serve if smoking is not allowed?"



He turned round and walked away.

No one has a right to mess with others bread and butter for their selfish reasons.



http://www.who.int/tobacco/media/en/Cyprus.pdf



I dare them to ban the whole thing.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:21

Good night all nice chatting too late for me now. Thanks

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:26

Yorg, or am I allowed to call you Sal? I'm suprised he didn't sit down and join you, fag in hand beer in the other ;)

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:26

SAlahi.. could not agree more look at the population of the uk ...since the smoking ban ...how many bars closed ....funny though in the house of commons bar you CAN smoke ........



tourism is in decline the smoking ban may well be another nail in the coffin .......

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:36

Re ; msg 96



Waddo wrote "I would love to see the law allow smoking in establishments provided that large notices were put on display to warn non smokers that smoking is allowed there" I'd agree with that



Re ; msg 108



Yorg, I have no objection to you or your friends smoking as long as it isn't affecting the health of others.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:38

apc, about 1/3 of the pubs in my area closed down when the smoking ban came in. People got fed up of having to stand or sit outside so they stopped coming out. Luckily my local still allowed smoking (after hours). He would lock the doors early and close all the curtains and let you smoke in the tap room. If the fires where blazing you could get away with it during the day aswell ;-)

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:43

mike my point exactly .......ok in summer in cyprus you can go outside but in winter ..???? that is why bars "ignore" the law ..................too many do-gooders ..........like I said what next ........



the last 50 odd years smokers mixed with non-smokers even on public transport .......now OMG .....smokers ..

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:48

"Smokers mixed with non-smokers even on public transport"



And it was incredibly unpleasant Apc2010 ... thankfully those days are behind us.

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:49

"And it was incredibly unpleasant" ... and unhealthy !

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:53

re msg112,

bonnie1707;



Common courtesy within, does exist.It's the jobsworth/dogooders that I can't stand,expecting red carpets laid out for them every time they are out.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:54

Bonnie if it is that unhealthy why not ban it ,....????? do you drive ?? will they stop cars next or limit your mileage ..??? emissions ...



some reports say BBQ cooked food increases cancer .....where do you stop ????

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 00:59

I think most of us here are in a sort of agreement - I wouldn't go near your smoking dens and you wouldn't smoke inside a place where you might upset people. Good night

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 01:00

apc;

Spot on.

Ban it and be done with it.

I took no notice from day 1 in UK days.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz-BQxkvVSo&feature=related

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 01:21

I logged back on :-(



Hi again Apc2010



Yes, exhaust emissions also affect our health ... and the environment ... but at this stage it is unrealistic to ban cars, but hopefully in the years to come measures will be introduced to reduce our carbon footprints ... in all aspects of life.



But getting back to the subject of smoking, surely you agree it's wrong for me (or others like me) to suffer health problems because of someone else's smoking ?



In any case, I'm definitely off to bed now

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 01:36

bonnie ..absolute rubbish we could all have hybred(?) cars or electric .....smoking could be banned tomorrow ....but guess what taxes on petrol and fags are alot ...... emissions could be cut ...all cars in theory could be 1 litre engines ........what do government ministers drive ..???? mercs ..BMs and jags .....



but you again miss the point IT SHOULD BE AN INDIVIDUALS CHOICE .................not big brother...

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 01:47

A few years ago I bought some tobacco seeds. Planted them (Back in UK) they grew like buggery. Off 5 plants I ended up with 3 black bags full of leaves. Unfortunately I was too lazy to dry them properly so they went moldy. I did make a few thousand fags and cigars out of a little bit out of one of the bags though. They were ok. A bit rough because they weren't a blended tobacco.



If you were to scatter a few seeds around here they would grow like weeds.

rickoshea


Joined: 29/12/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 07:59

LaptaMike,



I notice that you are of a similar age to islandgirl both, quite young. I notice that you are also single. Having now witnessed your attitude, I can probably understand why? When I was your age, ah that's another story. Unless of course if your not interested in women? Are you a rocket-man fan?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 08:01

I think smokers should go outside as the law dictates - those that dont' are selfish in my opinion but as they say when you are one you can't see the harm or don't want too - happy smoke free drinking and eating !

bonnie1707


Joined: 06/06/2010
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 11:08

Re ; msg 122



Firstly Apc2010, if two people are trying to have a civilised discussion it is not appropriate for one of the parties to use expressions such as "Absolute Rubbish". I suggest you refrain from doing so in future.



Regarding my "again miss(ing) the point", I am (and was) fully aware of all your points.



You claim that it should be the individual's choice to smoke. I don't disagree, provided he is not endangering the health of others and moreover that they don't object to their health suffering, but if they do object, then yes there should be laws in place (and enforced) to prevent him from doing so.



Your point that governments don't ban smoking because of the tax revenue they receive is a good point, but there might actually be other reasons ...

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199710093371506

but all that should the topic of another thread

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 11:28

I see they were smoking in the Valley View Restaurant last week.

Filthy habit they will be getting our custom again.

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 11:29

That should have read they will not be getting our custom again

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 11:53

124, rickoshea. Noticing that you have only just joined the board and your rude insinuation I assume you are an alter ego of a banned member

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 13:56

omg i havent laughed so much on this forum in ages ...thanks everyone ;) very enjoyable discussion lol

jakki



Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 865

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 22:25

I'm a non smoker and hate smoking to an absolute degree - BUT somehow I miss it - I suppose it's the atmosphere and reminders of my childhood when the adults stood around smoking cigarettes and cigars. It's the mess that's left behind by smokers that I detest - cigarette ends everywhere, I particuarly hate to see cigarette ends on beaches - smokers take your fag ends home!!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 22:58

sienna (mess 125)



Drinking can affect your liver, eating can affect your heart! I realize that neither of these can affect the person standing next to you as smoking can! ski-ing can affect your bones, sport of any kind can kill you! walking in either London, Manchester, Nicosia, or Rome can mean a car, bus, dolmus or tram can run you down!



We could all live a life away from anything that could harm us! and then we would all live to be 110 years old, who the hell would look after us? our children? or the state? I don't reckon any chances on the TRNC state! and I certainly wouldn't want the UK state to look after me! and my children have their children and grandchildren to look after, I wouldn't want them to worry about me!



or maybe some think they will live forever fit and healthy and will look after themselves?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 23:03

message 132 I take it you are a selfish smoker because all smokers come up with these old chestnuts to justify it all!!!



All the non-smokers are saying is stick to the rules smoke outside if you wnat to do it whats wrong with that

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 23:13

sienna, why should smokers go outside? We have the same human rights as non smokers. Making smokers go outside can aggrevate meedical conditions like arthrtus.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 23:15

because thats the law unless you are in your own home of course - best to give up if its agrrevating those medical conditions New year is always a good time to give up good luck

gary1950


Joined: 30/12/2010
Posts: 15

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 23:20

Re ; msg 132

Fair enough TRNCvictim, you are happy with breathing in other people's smoke, but to quote what Apc wrote in message 122, "it should be an individual's choice" to live a healthier life ... and I wish to do so ... and thus I am grateful there are laws in place to protect me from other people's smoke.

Re ; msg 134

"Making smokers go outside can aggrevate meedical conditions like arthrtus"

No one is making you smoke Mike ...

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 23:22

I'm not going there again love. Happy new year to you too. (No intention of giving up by the way)

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
31/12/2010 00:45

gary1950, yet another name I imaigine.



I wasn't talking about myself.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
31/12/2010 01:33

We find it very strange that most of you who are shouting regarding the smoking in bars and others places all possibly Drink & Drive.



Oh i suppose non of you Drink & Drive now!



I will not say what comes to mind.



Good night and a happy new year.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
31/12/2010 01:55

I would like to point out that I don't drink and drive. I use the local taxis.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
31/12/2010 02:24

We all do not drink & drive.



But we smoke in bars.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPszEzUHbQ4&feature=related



Happy new year.



Amanda

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
31/12/2010 18:34

the whole process was a stuff up from start to finish, bars and restaurants should have had designated areas, I smoke because it's legal, if it was an illegal product then the full weight of the law would come down on me, it hasn't so I'm still smoking, I detest going out side in the cold or heat, and I think the law will change in the future and designated areas will come into force, I do not smoke in bars/restaurants or anywhere that would disturb the comfort of others,



rickoshea message 124 I found your remarks quite offensive to LaptaMike and way out of order, I think you should keep that type of tripe in the gutter where it belongs.







Robert

oldshep


Joined: 02/11/2008
Posts: 609

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 14:00

Wish you all a Happy New year and hope you repect the choice of us who do not want smoke blown over us when enjoying a pint out ,as i repect your choice to put burning leaves in your mouth,

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 14:04

The smoking ban is 1 year old today.. Happy birthday .

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 14:31

RE msg 123, LaptaMike: (...) If you were to scatter a few seeds around here they would grow like weeds. (...)

▶ A fine idea for 2011! Let's do it! We could smoke more and it would be cheaper. How do we find the seeds though?

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 14:52

If you go up the Karpass peninsula near Yialousa you will still find tobacco being grown. I don't smoke these days but there used to be a really vile local brand of fags called Karaman or something similar.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 15:50

We went to Park Restaurant Karsiyaka last night and I must admit I was dreading it because often people do smoke in there (I am asthmatic). However, last night everybody went outside to smoke even though it was spitting with rain.

ClaireCat44



Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 739

Message Posted:
03/01/2011 11:28

Excellent message 142. Agree totally.