What a Judge, What a Sentence

elko2



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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 08:31

The ex-chief justice Salih Dayioglu was the youngest chief justice ever and he was well respected for his impartial and sensible judgements and always polite to everybody. He was on television last night and he was talking about the cases he tried and what remained on his mind most. He talked about this young man aged 22 who appeared before him and pleaded guilty. He had 22 criminal records already at that age.



He said to him: Look, you pleaded guilty and you heard your bad record. Now I want you to decide the sentence for yourself. "



He though about it and said: Please pardon me.



OK he said, you are free to leave. He could not believe it. He asked again if he could really leave and he said "yes you may, it is your decision".



He came back 6 months later but not for a crime, he wanted to invite the judge to his wedding and he never appeared in court again.

ismet

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 08:40

I can only guess the judge knew he was about to get married and decided that was a harsher sentence he could ever impose )

Groucho



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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 08:42

"He had 22 criminal records already at that age. "



Probably all 'Cliff' and 'Des'...

flowerfairy


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Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 08:42

Amazing Ismet, I wonder how long ago this happened. Let's just hope he stays on the right side of the law.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 08:43

coops you crack me up. Elko lovely story xxx Happy new year to you both xxx

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 08:51

Flowerfairy, tah must have been at least twenty years ago because he served as chief justice for 11 years and it has been a few years since he retired. He is my cousen and I know him extremely well.



Last night one of ther best known lawyers phoned the programme and said lots of good things about him. You know what the judge said? "Don't take much notice of him, he is a good friend and biased in my favour"!!!

ismet

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 08:56

sounds a very humble man elko xxxx

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 09:27

What a wonderful man..



Lets just hope Pauline gets someone as humane when she is prosecuted, or if she is prosecuted?



Ismet, lets hope you do too for your speeding ticket.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 09:37

Perhaps this should happen more often in UK and deny them the right to time in some of the holiday camps which pass as prisons.

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 09:38

I wonder how many times he done this and it came unstuck....we will never know, as there are no Daily Mail journalists delving into this judges past.

I suppose its a nice story, but very unsound.

Michael

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 10:51

He did say he tried it a couple of times but did not work, so he gave up but this incident had a permanent mark on him.



Polly,

I have no need for a humane judge, if he/she can interpret the law properly, its fine for me. My defence will be based on technicalities and there is no room for believing or not believing the wittnesses. It will be based on pure undiluted legal arguments. You should come and watch

ismet

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 11:25

When is it and where is it?



Just joking really, I wrote it, I cannot deny that - that it offended anyone, then I am sorry but it wasn't designed to and I was not aware it violated any laws. I shall not employ an Advocate so I guess I will have a fool for a client!!

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
29/12/2010 11:30

Sounds like a Judge with common sense which is a rare quality!



Chris

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 13:26

I've got it! He was banging the Judges daughter, got her up the spout and went back 6 months later to ask permission to marry her!



Richard

elko2



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Message Posted:
29/12/2010 14:11

Richard!!!!!!!!!!!

ismet

jakki



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Posts: 865

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 09:32

What an amazing story and what a wonderful Judge - a man of great wisdom!!!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
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Message Posted:
30/12/2010 09:34

The victims of his 22 crimes... what did they think?

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
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Message Posted:
30/12/2010 10:15

Forget the victims...we all live on the whim of a judge who has more than one screw loose.

Send him to the UK and he will go down a bomb.

Michael

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
30/12/2010 10:16

One assumes he had already paid the price for those.

jakki



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Message Posted:
30/12/2010 10:54

Having worked in criminal law for a lifetime, one realises that not every offender can be rehabilitated, clearly the judge saw that this young defendant had the ability to change his life around.

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 13:21

Only in the TRNC could you find a "judge" who allows a serial offender with more than 20 previous convictions to decide his own sentence - and then set him free when he asks.

Sums up quite nicely what sort of place this is.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
30/12/2010 13:46

I can't believe the negativity of this site.

May be the it was the first time this young man was able to see somebody cared about him and not all the world was against him.

May be the judge realising the sentencing him in the past did not work and perhaps a good deed may.

Ismet why don't you ask the judge why he decided to do what he did and perhaps find that young man and ask him why he put his past behind him.

This is a true Xmas story and theses people are not even christians and I doubt they are even religous.

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
31/12/2010 18:10

Sitting as a magistrate in a small town we had a lots of regulars mostly between 18 amd 21. At a ceratin age they stopped appearing usually due to settling down with their girlfriend or getting married. The girls obviously had more effect on them than we did.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
31/12/2010 23:08

Some of the comments are incredible. If he had 22 previous convictions it means that he already had 22 punishments, so one more punishment would hardly make any difference. So it was worth a try and it worked. I understand that often it does not but its worth a try if the judge feels the occasion is right.



I remember the case in UK where the judge found somebody guilty of rape and punished him with a warning not to do it again. In the Anglo-Saxone system the judges do have unlimited descretion and rightly so.



In the case of the 22 previous convictions the judge explained that he was reading a book about the interesting sentencings of a US judge and he was impressed with some of his sentences. For example a driver who carelessly caused the death of another person was sentenced to work in the morgue of a hospital for some time.

ismet

Groucho



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Message Posted:
01/01/2011 00:31

I have no problem with him getting a 23rd chance Ismet, but did all his victims get restitution? A lot of people in the UK now find the justice system to be unfairly weighted in favour of the criminal...

You don't say what this man's crimes were but I'm guessing they were not extreme.... however that's no reason why he should not have to make the victims his concern.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 01:07

Groucho,

There was no mention of what kinds of crimes but if you consider he had 22 convictions previously and he was out of prison so soon, it means that they were all petty crimes like theft on a small scale. Anyway, I would like to know more about it and I will ask my cousin when I see him next. His son is getting married next February, so I will see him then at the latest.

ismet

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 10:21

No matter what the Judges age is, he should be pensioned-off pdq.

I wonder if he had a hand in the recent case (well publicised) about a villa owner who was accused of stealing building materials from his own home and had to appear in court over 50 times.

This is a prime example of the law being an ass.

Michael

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 10:43

Ismet, you wll never please all the people all the time.



CJtill - It was 65 times and he was cleared on all charges, but Pauline's reportng of it cost her, her laptop and the stress of still not knowing if she is to be prosecuted, so is the law is still being an ass, if after clearing the accused they go ahead with a proseuction against her, are they being petty and spiteful and why hasn't she had her lap top back yet?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 11:58

Polly,

There are people who are used to close their eyes and do their duties according to the book but there are some of us who are prepared to look further and be prepared to take take on the system.



When I was a group manager with a large company I was always ready to question the rules. In one instance I held interviews and employed about half a dozen of workers on condition that they bring reports from the police with no convictions. One of them kept producing excuses for not getting one. I called him to my office and asked him to tell me the truth. He happened to be at a coffeeshop when a brawl took place and everybody there were rounded up and charged. They all pleaded guilty and were fined. I know how the sytem works so I told him to get me the police report and he can carry on with his work. Then I had to defend my decision with the headoffice. I did not choose the easy way out and in fact later on I was happy to attend the weddings of all his children.

ismet

PS:The judge in question was the longest serving Chief Judge and he had the utmost respect for his decisions and also the way he handled his subordinates. There was absolutely no room for favouritism in his judgements. As my cousin he never served in my cases and always pointed out our relationship.

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
01/01/2011 12:03

Msg 28....I think you have answered the question for me....as it seems yes.

If I had the time (and inclination) I would research a UK judge who has make a massive blunder (ie released a guilty offender for some reason) and then that offender went on to commit murder, rape or crimes against children.

What would it prove though...

The judge was a blinkered fool....maybe, but it wont change how the system operates.

Let them continue to make decisions on whatever whim that pleases them on the day.

But it dont change the rules........ that the punishment should fit the crime.

Michael

jatto


Joined: 29/12/2010
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Message Posted:
01/01/2011 19:19

i think he is great cj. if he the crimnal not learne from his 21 punisment one more will make no diffrent to him.so cj use his commen sence.iam sure that was small crime punishing him was no bodys intrest.othere wise cj can not just let him go.and i do not think that was his normal way of judgement. every one has soft corner in them. he is humen first and then judge.i do not think all judges do what book says.

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
01/01/2011 19:50

nice .. a wake up call that hit home .xx happy new year elko1 and 2