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Hippo
Joined: 02/02/2007 Posts: 2070
Message Posted: 05/01/2011 05:45 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 1 of 64 in Discussion |
| The portrayal on British TV that homosexuality is the norm has to be curbed. I am certainly not homophobic but the increased exposure in the media that is perfectly acceptable and should be encouraged worries me. I draw the example in the recent Coronation Street episode where two 16 year old girls are in bed making love (this is a show that is broadcast at 7.30 in the evening) Where are the morals of a producer of Britain's favourite soap? It further has a scene where a homosexual man explains that he was caught by a relation in flagrante on the kitchen table. I ask you is this an acceptable content? The increased homosexual content of films TV shows etc is out of proportion to real life, it leads me to think that there may be a hidden agenda within the Media hierarchy to promote it. You may notice that I have avoided the word Gay; gay to me means happy or a Christian name this is another example of an invented word to receive acceptance. I just wonder what other people think? |
apc2010
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 05:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 2 of 64 in Discussion |
| Hippo ..it is to get ratings .......you are a prime example ......secondly it is a soap opera ....it has now got your attention and taken it away from world matters and the bigger picture .......... tv is now the opium of the masses ...... turn it off ...read a book (not some Z-list celebrity) and open your mind ............. rant over ....this is not directed at you personally ...........sheepeles in general ......... |
yrret
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 07:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 64 in Discussion |
| I think one of the problems here is the campaigning from the minority sections, that has been listened to largely out of sympathy. The 'normal' masses did not need to campaign, because they were not in a minority. Remember these people with these conditions, which I am not suggesting are choice, they maybe born that way, are not 'normal' as they will have the world believe. If they were, then in their condition, life could continue on the planet, and new life could be born from it. I see these people as disabled, many of them have a condition not of their choice, and maybe that they can do nothing about, a bit like say a person born to unfortunately spend life unable to walk, or see. However, they feel a need to be accepted from the abnormality, and unlike say a person in a wheel chair who has maybe spent many years learning to cope with the situation, you cannot see the disability. Their 'cry for help and attention' has been listened to by a caring, but ultimately weak society. |
flowerfairy
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 07:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 64 in Discussion |
| I did mention on another post how crazy I thought the TV was. Not that I watch much tv, but we were watching a programme recently. Talk about foul language,violence, sex, then guess what........ a man light up a ciggi, they'd put a hazy blob on the ciggi so that you couldn't see it. So it's ok to take advantage of a woman, curse and swear. Beat the c''''''p out of people, but totally unacceptable to have a ciggie while you're doing it !!!!!!!!!!! where are the priorities???? |
Hippo
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 07:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 5 of 64 in Discussion |
| Are you suggesting that homosexuality is a disability? Bacause I certainly do not. |
apc2010
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 07:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 64 in Discussion |
| yrret ..tell me that post was tongue in check please ....or are you Nick Griffen ...?????? Your quote "The 'normal' masses did not need to campaign, because they were not in a minority. Remember these people with these conditions, which I am not suggesting are choice, they maybe born that way, are not 'normal' as they will have the world believe" are not normal???????????? ........have many elton john songs do you sing to ????? |
apc2010
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 07:16 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 7 of 64 in Discussion |
| In fairness fairyflower ..........you can legally have sex at 16 .........but cannot vote ......?????????? |
PierMan
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 07:51 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 64 in Discussion |
| The posts on this board become more offensive every day. |
apc2010
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 08:12 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 64 in Discussion |
| pierman ....not offensive .........beyond belief....... |
Rottolover
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 08:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 64 in Discussion |
| Have to agree with you there, apc.....because Elton John has written some great music, homosexuality is therefore somehow normal? Beggars belief... |
racoonchic
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 09:22 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 64 in Discussion |
| it happens in everyday life so why dance around the truth. |
TopTen
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 09:42 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 12 of 64 in Discussion |
| It is with us, that is a fact, it is legal in some countries and to be honest there are other acts on tv that are accepted, people being shot and beaten on mainstream tv is now the norm. So yes it probably is to early for any kind of sexual activity to be on tv but it happens,so your only alternative is to push the off button |
negativenick
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 10:09 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 64 in Discussion |
| mess 1 - you need a week or two in Pattaya Hippo... A trip to "foxy girl a go go" would soon change your mind............ ;0) |
Carndi
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 10:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 64 in Discussion |
| Is it or is it not normal is not the question BUT should people be subjected to it each and every day via the media ? In schools Janet and John books have been replaced by John and Jim/ Janet and Jane. Not long ago they wanted to tech children to experement to see which they prefer. They also wanted children to be taught that homosexuality was normal. The large number of homosexuals employed in the media are able to dictate and ensure that their propoganda is shown. Last year the BBC acknowledged there was a bias towards homosexuals. The adage of ' Live and let live ' could apply but not as long as our children are being bombarded with propoganda via the media. People are being refused the right to adopt children if they smoke,are obese,not regular church goers,the wrong colour ( black people can adopt white children but white people can not adopt black children ) but the powers that be permit homosexuals to adopt. These are the questions that should be addressed |
Denny
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 13:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 64 in Discussion |
| Msg 14: "In schools Janet and John books have been replaced by John and Jim/ Janet and Jane. Not long ago they wanted to tech children to experement to see which they prefer. They also wanted children to be taught that homosexuality was normal." Any evidence or credible links to these claims or are they just hearsay? As already mentioned, these racy "young lezzas" plots are there for ratings. Having old guys ranting about it while many simultaneously fantasise gives them great publicity. |
Carndi
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 14:19 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 16 of 64 in Discussion |
| Go into Google and type in ' Homosexual school books in the UK '. There is more than ample proof to these claims. In America Arnold Swartzeniger governer of Califonia signed into legistration the teaching of transsexual,homosexual and bisexual education for students. I agree that storylines on TV are there to boost the ratings but they do influence our young at the same time. |
Markyboy
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 15:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 17 of 64 in Discussion |
| I think you'll find that there are many varieties of sexual genders through choice, because it's fashionable, because it get's you noticed....however, for the main, is it not a genetic disorder where a male or female are born with the wrong chromosomes?? I'm not homophobic, racist or against any religion but why should they be treated any differently or given special treatment or favour even if they are a minority??? There is a big fuss going on now in the military about how gay people should not be hindered but personally, if a man is gay, and fancies other men.....do you really want to be sharing the same shower with them?? Food for thought!! |
fiendishpaul
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 16:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 18 of 64 in Discussion |
| MarkyBoy "There is a big fuss going on now in the military about how gay people should not be hindered but personally, if a man is gay, and fancies other men.....do you really want to be sharing the same shower with them??" What a crass and ill informed statement. The UK armed forces have had gay servicemen/women for many many years who have served with absolute distinction, it was just always kept quiet. In a 28 year military career I became aware of a number of gay personnel whom I would have no hesitation serving beside. I didn't realise that bravery is only a quality that heterosexuals are capable of. As for the latter statement about the shower, have you ever thought that gay people might be as choosy about who they have sex with as heterosexuals ? Regards Paul |
Markyboy
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 16:59 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 19 of 64 in Discussion |
| Paul, Firstly, I did not say that the homosexuality in the forces hasn't been going on for years, only that the fuss about it is publicised now with the American army finally allowing homosexual servicemen and women to serve without being subjected to dismissal or segregation if they admitted their sexuality. I also did not infer about anybodies bravery whatever their sexuality either so why put that?? With regards to the shower statement, it is my personal opinion and whether they were choosy or not, i would not feel comfortable as well as maybe they would not feel comfortable about sharing with me??? |
apc2010
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 17:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 20 of 64 in Discussion |
| is homosexuality still illegal in N/Cyprus ........?????????????? |
Pugwash
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 17:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 21 of 64 in Discussion |
| Nice to see bigotry is alive and well in the TRNC enclave of British expats, staggering what I have read. |
cypgab
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 17:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 22 of 64 in Discussion |
| Message 18: The UK armed forces have had gay servicemen/women for many many years who have served with absolute distinction, it was just always kept quiet. In a 28 year military career I became aware of a number of gay personnel whom I would have no hesitation serving beside. It's the ones serving behind I'd be concerned about! |
YFred
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 17:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 23 of 64 in Discussion |
| Can one of our GC cousins tell us how the Greek Orthodox Church feels about this subject. Have we run out of material to attack TCs with? |
gromit
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 17:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 24 of 64 in Discussion |
| Hippo Surely you are old enough to remember Larry Grayson,... 'Are You Being Served',... and many others we watched on an early Saturday night with the kids. What about the ultimate bigot Alf Garnett? The Steptoes? Oh how we laughed!! They also smoked and eat fatty food!! God forbid!! Plus ca change! |
delilah
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 17:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 25 of 64 in Discussion |
| It has been a truly horrible experience to look inside your heads - or is this some kind of bad joke to get more posts? hello * consenting adults do not need your permission or approval For your information, the WHO officially removed homosexuality from the international classification of diseases on May 17 1990 and it is now the international day against homophobia If it is so painful for you to see a lesbian love scene or contemplate sharing a shower with a gay soldier perhaps you should spare a thought for the pain that homosexuals have endured for centuries by being forced and brainwashed into conforming to a heterosexual stereotype that they do not fit. I feel very sad that you cannot just live and let live - what are you afraid of? I suppose that some of your best friends are black too. |
Pipie
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 17:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 26 of 64 in Discussion |
| I for one am sick to death of having homosexuality forced through the media at every opportunity, as Hippo says we now have to contend with it being presented as a norm through soaps, makes you wonder !!! |
apc2010
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 17:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 27 of 64 in Discussion |
| when there is something not to my taste on tv ......I use that special invention ............................. THE OFF BUTTON............................................................. but then I am not addicted to mind numbing soaps ...... |
Troodo
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 18:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 28 of 64 in Discussion |
| Homosexuality helps control the surpuless population and can provide a home for orphans - no bad thing. |
Denny
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 18:10 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 29 of 64 in Discussion |
| Markyboy, You say you are not homophobic but if you have reservations about sharing a shower with a gay man then I would suggest you are indeed prejudiced. Fiendishpaul's outstanding post (BZ Paul) sums this discussion up very well, esp. in a Forces context. I was brought up by parents who were racist and homophobic. They weren't bad people - it was their generation and education and they just didn't know any better. But I, and I would add you, don't have any excuse. Read and learn: "They gave me a medal for killing two men but a discharge for loving one": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Matlovich |
Markyboy
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 18:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 30 of 64 in Discussion |
| Denny, you don't know me so please do not make assumptions about what i am or if i need an excuse or not to say how I feel. I served in the forces for 10 years alongside all walks of life and had no predjudice with any....apart from the RSM....he was a horrible b***tard. My statement would also be true if i was expected to share a shower with a women...i would not feel comfortable. |
apc2010
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 18:32 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 31 of 64 in Discussion |
| strange comment....markyboy ........ " My statement would also be true if i was expected to share a shower with a women...i would not feel comfortable. " ............... are you trying to tell us something..???? |
proger1
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 18:35 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 32 of 64 in Discussion |
| What I love about this forum is the way you interpret what someone has written with no knowledge of who he is or what his beliefs are and yet still take what they have written in the wrong context and judge them for it. Welcome to the true world of C44 Mark, they will not give you a chance to make your own statement without condemning it for being different to their own opinion, just don't get roped in like I used to, you will always end up looking like the bad one because you disagree. I am really interested to know how many of you actually were in the forces and can therefore comment about it, here is mine, the job of being a soldier is based on trust between those working together and if a person is lying to me about something as fundamental as their sexual proclivities, how can I trust them. Not being homosexual I can't comment on it but being an ex serviceman, I can comment on and I would not want to shower with another man regardless of orientation, am I homophobic then? |
Markyboy
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 18:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 34 of 64 in Discussion |
| Cheers Paul, from somebody who I have served with in the forces and now work alongside, you do know me. (please don't tell them the truth). This is only the second or third thread i've commented on with my own personal opinion and will now probably be my last after being slagged off by so called "experts in their field" I'll still view the board as it is full of useful information and just leave the saddos to their sniping and bitching. From now on, i intend to use the grown ups board. APC there is no hidden statement lol...if there was, you'd be the first to know ;o) x |
Denny
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 19:12 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 35 of 64 in Discussion |
| That's cool Marky. No offence intended. |
fiendishpaul
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 22:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 36 of 64 in Discussion |
| MarkyMark Sorry if you felt that I had 'slagged' you off, it wasn't my intention. Maybe I misinterpreted your comments but my understanding was that you infered that if you were in a communal shower with a gay man, it was 'odds on' that he would want to have sex with you - a popular misconception of heterosexual men. Proger "I am really interested to know how many of you actually were in the forces and can therefore comment about it, here is mine, the job of being a soldier is based on trust between those working together and if a person is lying to me about something as fundamental as their sexual proclivities, how can I trust them." I agree to a point about the trust issue, however, if personnel were to reveal their sexual orientation they are often subjected to ridicule and in the US military you would lose your job up until a week or so ago. Hardly surprising that people keep quiet. Regards Paul |
Blackbird
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 22:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 37 of 64 in Discussion |
| Re Message 27...yes apc - just turn the bloody thing off...... |
proger1
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 22:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 38 of 64 in Discussion |
| But Paul, in order to join the armed forces you are expected to tell the truth about yourself and your sexual preferences, I joined in '82 and can assure you that I was asked even then if I was or believed I might be a homosexual. If I had been a homosexual and denied it to gain entry into the forces I would have been lying. The powers that be made the decision the to be a homosexual in the British army was illegal and therefore anyone who lied to gain entry was braking the law as well as the trust of everyone around them, the reason people kept quiet was because they could go to jail. I really didn't want to get into this, Mark is a friend and didn't deserve to have his opinions twisted against him. I know quite a lot of homosexuals of both male and female persuasion from my days working the night club doors and for the most part they are great people but I am afraid even knowing them doesn't make it seem any less natural for me to see them kissing. Am I homophobic or just s |
proger1
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 22:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 39 of 64 in Discussion |
| cont. straight. |
Lilli
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 23:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 40 of 64 in Discussion |
| When I was cabin crew I worked with very many gay men. They were great company and readily laughed at themselves. I loved working with them as they could do all the dirty jobs on board and never minded getting the marigolds on to clear a blocked toilet. They never ever flaunted their sexual preferences.They sense whom they can chat up if you are gay or straight. What has always amazed me is most men are turned on by two women making out but hate the thought of two men together. I think that the TV programmes shouldn't show scenes of them kissing before the watershed. Not sure if it is still 9pm. However I guess that as we are seeing more and more what we called ethnic groups and gay people then its now considered the norm |
LaptaMike
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 23:22 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 41 of 64 in Discussion |
| hmm, I'll have my little say. It's what I have said for years. Our sole purpose on this planet in an evolutionary way is to eat, sh*t and pro-create. I have nothing against homosexuals, I have a few friends who are, and a few enemies who dislike me because I don't conform to their leftist views. |
japeal
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 23:22 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 42 of 64 in Discussion |
| What has this post got to do with TRNC? |
shrimp
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Message Posted: 05/01/2011 23:30 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 43 of 64 in Discussion |
| Things were so much clearer in the old days, men went to work, women stayed at home and raised the kids, unsavoury things were secreted away and people knew what was expected of them and what wasnt.....too much is talked about these days...if you do/say anything for long enough it becomes normal................lets go back to how it was in the good old days......... |
flowerfairy
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 00:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 44 of 64 in Discussion |
| shrimp, I so agree with you. I thank God I was born when I was. God help our children and grandchildren in this world society. Message 42, please go back to message 4, I'm here in TRNC, trying to watch a decent programme for once. The TV chanels we recieve have 'lost the plot'. Whether in Uk, TRNC or anywhere in the world, sex is fine, foul language is acceptable, homosexuality is OK, gangland crime is the norm, but lighting up a cigarette is sensored. What a wonderful world |
Lilli
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 00:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 45 of 64 in Discussion |
| FF. I agree with you to a point. I have two lovely customers who work in the UAE. The were married and have children and grandchildren. Society deemed they should be married in those days, Oh forgot to say the are a little older than me. They went along with what was expected of them and married their sweethearts, produced children but their heart knew what they really were. They met in secret and conduced an affair, Im talking 30/40 years ago. Eventually they decided to come clean as the love the share is deep.After all the hurt and pain they caused as they went along with what was expected, they are together. They families really love them and are happy for them. Everyone has moved on. I asked them if you knew you were gay how could you marry and expect it to work out, answer we had no choice in those days. Im not saying its right that they hurt people who loved them but the stigma then must have been so awful. Now we have same sex marriage, adopt a baby its all so easy now. Their lo |
LaptaGeezer
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 00:21 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 46 of 64 in Discussion |
| Regardless of what anybody thinks of homosexuality as a lifestyle there has been a glut of it on the soaps for years. It is out of proportion to real life, as per message 1, and Lilli's comment in message 40 is exactly what the producer's of such shows want the majority to feel. If they are bombarded with it day after day it will become the 'norm'! I have said on here before that it is a very clever ploy and it is one that has worked. Others have said on here that you can 'turn the tv off', true but some people like to watch the soaps and shouldn't have to watch homosexual storylines and interaction weekly and well before the watershed too. You can't hear a swear word before 9 pm and yet young children, who this is actually aimed at to 'normalise' the behaviour can sit and watch it before they go to bed. It is part of life but the exposure is too much. |
Lilli
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 00:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 47 of 64 in Discussion |
| sorry i get carried away, their love has endured the test of time. The older one who is 2 years older than me but so booxed told me we didnt want to be born this way but it is the way god made us. He also told me that he had made studies into many arab , muslim africian countries and that is the way it is there. They still look after the families. Im very mixed on this xxx I agree with the fag blob, its a joke xxx |
apc2010
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 00:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 48 of 64 in Discussion |
| do not tell me that you cannot anything else to watch........?????????? the reason society is going to crap is exactly because of soaps and the like ....J kyle ..trisha etc ......... and the ones watching it ,keep it on tv ....... Please sheople MAKE YOUR OWN OPINIONS .................... |
LaptaGeezer
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 00:32 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 49 of 64 in Discussion |
| They did have a choice Lilli... they could have stayed single. Ask yourself if you could live a 'sham' lifestyle living with and sleeping with another woman? Just about all straight people could not do such a thing but homosexuals that have been married, had children etc. come out with 'I didn't want to do it....' and such comments. Simple answer would have been don't do it. It just doesn't fit into the bigger picture. I could respect someone that said they knew they were gay when they were young, but couldn't action things.. so they stayed single and did not start a relationship with a woman, which as I have already said should repulse them as much as 2 men together does for the majority of straight men. It is all too convenient. Befofre anyone jumps on me.. I am not homophobic, and do not use foul language to describe the subject. |
flowerfairy
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 00:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 50 of 64 in Discussion |
| My best ever hairdresser was ' as bent as a nine bob note', his quote, I might add. I have nothing against him, wonderful boy, he even wanted to try my daughters 'Jimmy Choo ' shoes on, after he'd done my hair.(my hubby was home, so he daren;t ask) My point is.... I don't introduce myself as, ''Hi my name is.....and this is my hubby........and we;re hetrosexual, therefore, why does a homosexual/lesbion relationship have to come in to a conversation? What they do, how they live in their own hime, is of no business to me. If I like them as a couple, great, if I don't, it has nothing to do with their sexual preferences. My point is, we don't flaunt our hetrosexual preferences, so why do homosexuals flaunt theirs? |
Lilli
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 00:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 51 of 64 in Discussion |
| LaptaGeezer I agree with you but I dont know what it was like late 50s or early 60s to come out and say it. I couldnt live a sham anymore. I lived in an abusive marriage until I had the courage to walk away with nothing. I just cant judge what they went through, maybe shame on the parents and they didnt have the strenght of character to stand up to them. I agre they should have stayed single but we do not know the pressure put on them.All the gay men I worked with were so open. We will never know their thoughts or views on live which will be so different from ours love. I remember when we first came here and customers asked us to go to a bar with them, it was a gay bar. What an experience. Handbag fights, so much jealous men about their men.I said to the main man I cant beleive Im here, I wont pull tonight (jokin) his reply you wont but Guido will. Guido turned to me and he was so romanntic, dont you dare leave my side tonight.. Well that was such an experience, rent boys good looking |
LaptaGeezer
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 00:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 52 of 64 in Discussion |
| Lilli.... you are right and we can't know individual pressures etc. and I do not want to pick on anyone that is homosexual. FF makes a good point above too... if people keep their sexuality private and do whatever they want behind closed doors then no-one gives a stuff. Flaunt it and you will get reactions.. |
flowerfairy
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 01:09 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 53 of 64 in Discussion |
| Well, my lovelies,and Lilli we all have our dirty laundry to share, but in my state of life, I have less years to live, than I have lived,as far as I'm concerned, I will not dwell in any past experiences, that will gain me norhung, my life is now the future, warts an; all |
Lilli
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 01:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 54 of 64 in Discussion |
| Lapta and FF well said, we have not so many years left but hey have we lived them. I will never ever judge anyone until I can walk a mile in their shoes xxxxx |
MsGarnet
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 01:30 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 55 of 64 in Discussion |
| To define a person by their sexual orientation, any more than their size, provenance, skin colour, gender - whatever, is vacuous and shallow. If one needed a heart transplant and a homosexual's heart was all that was available, one knows, even if the recipient is homophobic, they would soon overcome that prejudice! Homosexuality is NOT a disease, it has been proven medically to be biologically determined in the womb - only a few people make a conscious decision to be in a same sex relationship. What someone does in their private life is that - private! They still contribute socially and to society, and considering that even in this day and age, homosexuals and lesbians are oftentimes villified, one has to believe that they have NO choice but to follow their hearts - who else would live their lives on a daily basis, knowing any minute they could be attacked physically or verbally because of who they are, in the knowledge large tranches of society regard them as a lower form of life.. |
Tenakoutou
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Message Posted: 06/01/2011 10:02 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 56 of 64 in Discussion |
| Hell, I lap up all those juicy lesbo flicks - guess I must be a lesbo trapped in a bloke's body! Our favourite Australian bard has something to sing about the subject of one's female partner 'turning the table' on ya! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wye1VXbBweY |
delilah
Joined: 17/12/2010 Posts: 7
Message Posted: 06/01/2011 10:46 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 57 of 64 in Discussion |
| post 42 what it has to do with TRNC is that they still have British Colonial law - 3-5 years in prison for "unnatural acts" |
shrimp
Joined: 01/09/2010 Posts: 939
Message Posted: 06/01/2011 10:51 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 58 of 64 in Discussion |
| I think the point is message 55 that if they did keep their private lives to them selves then there would be no problem, it is purely the fact that they do not kept it private but flaunt it in every direction, in ever area of our lives so much so that we cant escape it...... |
Pipie
Joined: 05/01/2008 Posts: 5499
Message Posted: 06/01/2011 10:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 59 of 64 in Discussion |
| I agree shrimp !! |
Tenakoutou
Joined: 27/07/2009 Posts: 4110
Message Posted: 06/01/2011 11:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 60 of 64 in Discussion |
| I don't run a mile if I spot a 'battalion' of leather-clad 'tail-gunners'! That doesn't mean to say that I intend to 'load the cannon', either! |
Denny
Joined: 09/12/2010 Posts: 261
Message Posted: 06/01/2011 21:12 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 61 of 64 in Discussion |
| msg 43 "men went to work, women stayed at home and raised the kids" and msg 44 who agreed. It doesn't say much for the rights of women if you think this is what made the world go around. What about a woman's right to a career? Or to stay single? Or to have as many boy/girlfriends as they like? Makes you wonder why the suffragettes bothered... |
shrimp
Joined: 01/09/2010 Posts: 939
Message Posted: 06/01/2011 22:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 62 of 64 in Discussion |
| Denny, This is just my opinion, people were much more contented with their lot, children were happy and felt safer, everyone knew each other and looked out for each other......I didnt ask the suffragettes to bother, I wish they actually hadnt!!! I actually think Mary Whitehouse had the right idea, maybe possibly a bit over the top, but better that than the alternative which we have had endure today..... |
Denny
Joined: 09/12/2010 Posts: 261
Message Posted: 07/01/2011 12:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 63 of 64 in Discussion |
| msg 62, "I didnt ask the suffragettes to bother, I wish they actually hadnt!!!" So now you don't even think women should have the vote? Unbelievable. Maybe they also deserve to be slapped around a bit if the tea's late on the table. I'm sure plenty of useless men like a doormat for a wife but I prefer having a woman I respect as my equal. |
fiendishpaul
Joined: 18/05/2008 Posts: 1720
Message Posted: 07/01/2011 14:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 64 of 64 in Discussion |
| Proger - Re Msg 38 "But Paul, in order to join the armed forces you are expected to tell the truth about yourself and your sexual preferences, I joined in '82 and can assure you that I was asked even then if I was or believed I might be a homosexual. If I had been a homosexual and denied it to gain entry into the forces I would have been lying." I joined in 1980 and do not question your statement. However, I would argue that the fact that someone lied about their sexual orientation in order to join HM Forces doesn't necessarily mean that you could not trust or rely on them to support you in a firefight. The lie is no different from someone making inflated claims on a CV in order to get the job that they have always wanted. If you have managed to go through your life without telling a lie, I applaud you Regards Paul |
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