Deeds and Permissions

LeedsLass


Joined: 09/11/2010
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 19:51

Hi All



has anyone received their deeds or permissions in the last 12 months ?



Leedslass

clivearup


Joined: 29/10/2008
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 20:17

Yes received Permission to Purchase in July still waiting for Deeds.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 20:56

Yes, purchased in Dec 2008 received PTP end of Nov 2010 and have a receipt from the Land Registry office where the Kojan is being hand written, will take a while as there are quite a few before ours but not worried at all.

dekski


Joined: 08/11/2008
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 22:15

Yes got PtP this week - solicitor has it in hand - that's two years to the month since we applied

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 22:32

collected our kocan last july and i know a few more did



kav

twaddle


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 22:44

Applied for PTP December 2006 Got PTP Jan 2009 collected deeds May 2010

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 22:51

Yes got our Deeds in June

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 22:55

It's always good to hear about "successes" in the TRNC property minefield , but can I assume that all these PTP's/Deeds relate to Exchange Title property ?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 23:07

kavenkoy & twaddle (mess 5 & 6)



lucky old you:- I applied for my PTP in 2004 finally got it in 2008 unfortunately the house I applied my PTP for is not built & cannot be built safely it's just a shell on a ledge! no deeds, no house, just my life savings! plus my late husbands life! all gone, along with 7 years of heartache!



You are both so clever, you have bucked the system!



TheSaints & clivearup (mess 2 & 3)



If I was in your shoes I would be really worried!



Anyone in 2010/11 who had any sense would not pay one penny until they have their DEEDS!

laptarunner



Joined: 02/11/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
07/01/2011 23:58

We got ours in late Sept, we were over for 2 months, so called in LR office every week, smiled sweetly and asked any progress, gave the lady out land number. 6th attempt lady said wait for half hour and hey presto, there it was in our hand.





Terry

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
08/01/2011 00:13

Msg #9



You obviously arn't and I am not, the construction company with an excellent rep has signed everything they need to everything is great, I have the receipt from the land office and the number in line we are for the Kojan to be written oh and we live in the house as I bought a completed property not a picture of a property and actually done my homework, just because you are a victim (and yes I do sympathise with you) does not mean everyone else is going to be one there are more happy endings out there than bad ones.

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
08/01/2011 01:13

.....there are more happy endings out there than bad ones.



Are there? I doesn't sound like it sometimes.

nirishlass


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
08/01/2011 01:14

has anyone received their deeds who bought in caesar resort?

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
08/01/2011 11:38

message 9



whilst im sympathetic to your plight and purchase ,i dont see my self as "clever".

i spend 2 years meeting estate agents and trusted the one i went with ,again more by chance .?

i looked at the builder ,whom had accounts to be viewed on line in turkey ,not clever just seeing if they were cash rich enough to carry out what was being asked.

i purchased off plan ,whiuch can be dodgy i agree.

and again not clever but only paid the stage payments when they were built .....even then i agree the kocan bit can be scary and can noy happen as planned .

luckily i met the landowner a few times and not just the developer ....not clever just trying to see peoples faces when you hand over cash ,so at least you know who run over in dark night if they dont do what you pay them for .



kav

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
08/01/2011 11:52

A complaints department bases the success of its product or service on the % of complaints it gets, there is no other easy way of finding out. If 5 out of 100 have major complaints then this is usually a sign that the company is doing something wrong and should accept it and improve it if they are to avoid bad publicity. 5 out of a 100 would probably amount to about 1500 problems out of 30,000. That seems to be about what is happening in the construction industry. Trouble is with the accept it and improve it bit. Problems happened, that's understandable, but to shrug your shoulders and say some of the things I've heard on this board and from government officials is insulting to say the least.

PTP Dec 2002, Deeds April 2003. Bought the land first then waited until I had title deeds before starting building. Even then, as a law lecturer, I felt like an idiot paying for something in full 12 months before I actually owned it.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
08/01/2011 12:09

As Cronus said, did any of the above people get PTP on Pre 74 please?

tonyf


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 15:14

Signed contract in August 2008, took possession in May 2010 and just told January 10th that PTP has been granted, Kocan?

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 16:44

Tonyf, was PTP for a Pre74 please?

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 16:58

Mine is esege - took the ptp three years to come but it finally arrived in December of last year. I want my deeds now and will even pay the builders stoppage etc to get them but my solicitor just says, no, they have enough money to pay their own.



I am worried enough though to pay up just to secure the deeds. Is it possible to bypass the lawyer and just ask the builder to go in and sign the transfer forms?



Just simply do not understand the procedure and the lawyers want to keep it that way I think!

dekski


Joined: 08/11/2008
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 17:01

Now we have PtP, how long before we get the Kochan? We accept that its 'normal' and will pay for it via the solicitor before we get it. It's exchange land and others have their Kochan on our development. Any guesses?

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 17:04

Bought Oct 2008 .Got permission November 2010, deeds jan 2011

dekski


Joined: 08/11/2008
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 17:08

Now we have PtP, how long before we get the Kochan? We accept that its 'normal' and will pay for it via the solicitor before we get it. It's exchange land and others have their Kochan on our development. Any guesses?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 17:17

It is a difficult one Sue. Legally it is the builders responsibility to pay his own taxes and it is blackmail to ask you to do so. It is becoming a common request and your advocate is right in that it should be the builders total responsibility. Do you think that if you had said," I do not have enough money to pay for my VAT" he would have paid for you?



However I can totally agree that to safeguard your home, you need the deeds. Without the deeds you do not legally own the property, it still belongs to the developer. This means that if he does not pay his debts (most builders use credit for buying land and materials) his assets can be seized. One of those assets is your house! There is an increase in purchasers now discovering memorandums on their property.With the fall in property sales and the lack of constructive action by the Government to prevent this from happening, it is bound to increase.



So only you can decide which action to take.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 17:23

What is important Sue, is that if you decide to pay his tax, you do this in a way that gives you the certainty of obtaining those deeds. Remember there is no legal obligation for him to hand over the deeds even though you may have paid.



I would suggest he hands the deeds, signed, sealed and delivered to your advocate before you pay over any money.



Hope this helps and gives you food for thought.

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 17:39

Very grateful and feel a bit more confident now, I will go and tell the solicitor to sort it and that I will pay the dues and that he has to actively sort it out. He is a bit lazy and tells me that it is no good writing to the builder as he does not accept Post!!! I feel as if I am fighting both the lawyer and the builder on this front.



However, I am extremely grateful to you for your comments. I know that the landowner in my case still has the deeds so the builder definitely cannot use it as security for a loan. The landowners are an elderly couple and actually very nice Cypriot people so I do not feel unsafe that they have the deeds, I am mostly aghast that my solicitor is not doing what he was paid for.

greenman


Joined: 16/02/2008
Posts: 526

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 17:52

Sue, If the deeds are not in the hands of the builder, can't you deal with them directly? The builders role in this is to obtain final approval of the house, so that you can then get it put onto the deeds.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 17:55

Pay the dues only when you have the deeds. Under no circumstances pay the advocate or builder beforehand.

rick1


Joined: 20/04/2010
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 21:10

purchased pre 74 turkish title in 2002, PTP arrived about 5 years ago, deeds obtained in Sept 2010, didnt wait for advocate to get deeds, went into land registry twice and they handed them over. There are some good news storys.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 21:12

don't want to sound negative, but what are the point of deeds when no one recognises them...



its a bit like nicking a car then getting your mate to knock you up a "log book" for it................





We were warned - but most chose not to listen (myself included.........)

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 21:18

NN,



did you manage to sell and move on?

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
11/01/2011 21:20

mess 30 - yes sold.....



Gone - but not forgoton.......