Is it time to wake up and smell the coffee

newlad



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Message Posted:
13/01/2011 11:57

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=economics-of-the-solution-to-cyprus-issue-2011-01-12



So much gain financially for both countries,

Paul.

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 12:14

Paul, the significant sentence in my mind is " we were taught to see Turkey as the enemy."

There are now 2 generations who having been taught this at school cannot see the situation in any other way, through no fault of their own. The sad thing is i cannot think how you change such a fundamental view.

newlad



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Message Posted:
13/01/2011 12:32

Hi Breezyboy,



I understand what you are saying,and totally agree with you.But it seems to have worked

Northern Ireland,although some trouble does still occur there,

Paul.

breezyboy


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Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 13:00

Paul.

I think in NI they were very lucky that enough of the right people came along with the resolution to get peace into everyone's minds. Maybe this could work in Cyprus if enough like minded people can get their message over to the extent that the politicians have no other choice but to do something positive.

I maybe wrong but it seems to me that the politicians in Cyprus are narrowly elected by a minority of the people who they don't want to upset. Anything which may rock their boat is therefore never on the agenda.

Erwin

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
13/01/2011 13:07

breezeboy;





" we were taught to see Turkey as the enemy."



Would you not agree with that to some degree?..........ie.the troops,amount of mainlanders in TRNC!

newlad



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Message Posted:
13/01/2011 15:04

Yorg,

Is it true that they flew thousands in so that Eroglu won the election,

Paul.

breezyboy


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Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 16:19

Yes Yorg

I agree but we were talking about how do you get something positive moving. I was suggesting that the words of the GC guy in the article pointed to what is taught in schools. I have discussed this with people in the south including someone who had just left school. What I was trying to say was that this education which some say has re-written areas of history is not conducive to getting anywhere with a peaceful solution.

The analogy Paul uses of Northern Iteland would not have happened if schools had maligned one side or the other whether true or not. Any education system anywhere in the world should preach peace and understanding of fellow men whatever their religion, creed or colour.

Incidentally I know a 57 year old brit living in the south who says that he finds the turkish troops "very intimidating". He has been force fed this by work colleagues. there again he isnt the sharpest tool in the shed!

jock1



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Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 16:40

well he sound like a pick

YFred


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Message Posted:
13/01/2011 16:45

Newlad, you are off the mark. They used to do that in the past when they did not want Talat or Ozgur to win. They used to get them by the boat loads in.

But this time, Erdogan actually wanted Talat to win, so if they tried and it didn't work.

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 16:48

Paul;





"Is it true that they flew thousands in so that Eroglu won the election, "



I'm going to pretend you didn't ask that question.



However,here is a simple comment to you instead.................Turkish and Turkish Cypriots are 2 different community.Can none British citizens vote in UK?

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 16:51

As to History of the Greek Cypriot is not a matter of re-writing it but actually not writing it. To have 2 pages of text in their history books about the period from 60 to 74 is criminal. They should be strung up for poisoning peoples minds.

I wonder how many Greek Cypriots actually know the the GC murder squads were set up in early January 1961 just after they cooked up the Akritas plan. As well as the fact that the leaders of these gangs were actually worked in Government as ministers. Yorgadjis, Sampson, Papadobullos etc.

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 16:59

breezyboy;



I suppose,what I was trying to say was that,comprimising has to be made by both sides.

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 17:21

Yorgozlu, I love you posts however on your last point about non British Citizens being allowed to vote in the UK the answer is yes they can as long as they are a British Subject

Hope this helps

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:07

Yorg,



Re- Mess 6 Wasnt trying to wind you up matey,just wasnt sure if it was true,

Paul.

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 20:00

breezyboy msg 2: " we were taught to see Turkey as the enemy."



How can you see that as the most significant quote in the piece? The guy is alluding to the fact that the people on both sides have been brainwashed by propaganda.

Surely the most significant part of the article (apart from to ultra-nationalists and the uneducated) is the peace dividend that would bring untold wealth and prosperity to both sides providing a solution is found that takes care of TC and GC security concerns and property issues. Seems to be a pretty attractive carrot.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 20:58

the facts are there for all to see ,it,s takes two too tango and the greeks don,t want to play.



we knocked for them too see if they would come out to play in 2004 ,they shut the door in our faces.



it,s too late now .



musin



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