Is it acceptable to have to suffer this

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 17:09

Sorry if my topics are annoying to anybody, but please feel free to just ignore them.

Two of These photos were take two days ago and the other two last week, this has been an ongoing situation for the past 12 + months, in varying degrees, its a situation that is quite unacceptable, would you like to have to live beside this for this length of time that is all I ask ?

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8052/5thjan11tqb001.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6525/5thjan11tqb004.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1842/tqb11thjan2011001p.jpg

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2682/tqb11thjan2011002.jpg

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 17:21

No its not acceptable. Its also dangerous. Tiles look as if they are lifting and will soon become dangerous?

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 18:31

Where is it John?

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:01

Guessing it is TQB as I had a look in there today. If I was paying a company for this I would not be impressed.

It really is a disgrace. Mind you, I believe if the owners contact their company, all will be resolved??

Things are better than they were?? Looks like it!!!!

Any comment from the management company??

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:03

Hi whistler

If you check out the closed thread currently on page 2 an update with photos you will find what it is all about on there, if you are unaware

Bradus, thanks

thetwirlys


Joined: 11/06/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:05

Hi we recognise these photos as we are owners on this site our apt in in the second phase we have been waiting for the developer to allow us to obtain electricity meters from Kibtek for almost 2 years, a swimming pool is built but has never been commissioned the garden areas are an absolute disgrace, however we are in contact with the management company who we believe try to communicate our frustrations on our behalf from the UK and when we use our apartment are able to meet with them

its probably best to keep things that way rather than having the "spats" with other members of the forum which we believe does more harm than good with some of the comments made

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:10

We looked around your development when we were out in November after reading so much about it on the forum. We were not at all impressed with the state of the communal areas. We wish you every success in getting things sorted out - I am sure it will not be easy.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:14

Msg 6 - your m/c 'you believe' try to communicate your frustrations etc.

Just contact direct and all will be resolved - apparently!!

Best of luck with your place - could / should have been completed and nice area by now.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:19

Dare I say that something must surely be very wrong, if things are taking this length of time to resolve, as I am aware people are paying £60 a month for the upkeep and maintenance of the development, and here we have yet another long suffering owner saying that they are unhappy to say the least, it is maybe time that owners as a collective made a move to put things right, I recall sienna saying in a previous post that you pay about the same as them so there should be plenty of cash to do the job properly - if the majority of owners are paying - IF

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:26

I have waited 5 years, and have these photos look like heaven in comparison - was the builder Cafer Yucelgazi???

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:28

£60 per apartment per month? A lot of cash! maybe things should be a lot better?

As msg 9 - IF ALL are paying! the kitty should be big enough to stop pools getting into their current condition as well as obvious damp etc. that will only get worse as the next few months will prove.

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:32

There is no excuse for the pools to be in the state they are and also your communal gardens - your management company should be looking after these.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:41

they should be shot, the bleedin' lot on 'em (as uncle percy would no doubt say if he wasn't dead.............)

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:42

Hello the twirleys I own up the top of the complex, who do the management company try to communicate your frustrations to ??, we pay them every month to keep the place properly, and the pool in the pictures was one of the best ones as a lot of other owners should be able to verify, I want to swim in the indoor pool but it is empty and all taped up and you cant get into it anyway even if it was full, I take your point about not wanting to say too much or rock the boat, but is now time for us all to stand up and be counted, after all its nearly 18 months.

The developers are the ones who are responsible for the state of the buildings, and the lack of flood defences, but the M/C should be more proactive as well, and they should be at least updating us monthly, there is a small but growing band on a private forum I think you know about so why not go there and see if as a group things can progress

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:53

Message 14 - that sounds good advice. All owners need to be in contact with the developers on a very frequent basis. You mention a forum which has been set up - I would recommend you all use that forum and not this public forum. Get a meeting arranged with your developer and find out which owners could be available to be present at that meeting - make sure you have owners you can rely on and not ones you know will cause trouble.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 19:59

Very sound advice, you must as a large group find out what the M/C have planned and a timescale for remedial works, you need also to know where the funds are going, also what progress with the development company has been made, also what action is being taken to bring to account investors and others who may be holding things up and playing the system, or lack of

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 20:14

Any m/c can only be good if everyone pays their fees. Money pays for employees to do the jobs no money if your lucky just keeps the admin side going. Glencoe were very good and did their best, Lynx I do not know but previous postings regarding other sites they do are reportedly well looked after as well. This must indicate lack of funds on TQB. It is a big site how much is sold? if for example only 40% then at best only 40% of maint fees for the whole site could be collected.

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 20:16

The big problem is getting all owners to communicate with each other, too many have their own little agendas and dont look at the big picture and as long as that prevails then there will be no end in sight.

Am open to any suggestions so long as its not 'go ask the m/c, cos I have tried that and got nowhere and also tried getting somebody to ask the committee but still waiting for anything positive ?

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 20:24

Hello Japeal, I think the big problem is there are a couple of big players who are not paying (guess 24 apartments) then probably another seven or eight non payers, some people have paid a year up front and this must be worrying for them now, but with sixty payers @ £60 a month I am reliably informed a good job can be done and all the pools except the phase 2 one could be up and running within a couple of months or less and all the pavements can be repaired in that time frame as well

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 20:25

As I said on the other thread a picture paints a thousand words, it is not good and no, no owner bought to have this on their doorstep an



You cannot argue with these photos and thats not all the bad bits, unfortunately for the owners.



Lazy Days again I think your comments are an echo of my words in the past, you all need to pull together to get this sorted out you need to follow the floor easement law and hold those responsible to task (developers etc)- find out where your maintenance money is going and collectively decide priorities



- we nearly bought the apartment next to the one shown in picture one, boy I am glad we didnt, It looks like its sinking down the hill.



I don't think there can be any arguement that this site is not what it should be and it is going to be difficult one to get it up to a standard - the problem is the longer you leave things the worse they get and all the time the place is de-valuing and will cost you all to get it good working order

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 20:36

lazy days how many apartments are there and should be paying £60 per month - I think you will struggle to get everything commissioned with only 60 paying £60



Has the MC given you a break down of costs ie staff, outgoings etc so you can work what you can and cannot afford after salaries and essentials are paid for ?

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 20:46

Hi sienna

As I said it is possible to do it, I know that the pools could be done with little effort, but everything would have to be prioritised, and the developers would have to be positive it efforts to get things moving again as I am sure they would be as it is in their interest also.

There are people out there who have the knowledge and ability to help get things going full steam but only if the vast majority of owners are prepared to go along with it, however I will not hold my breath at the moment

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 20:52

well good luck if it can be done I will take your word on that you have a few pools to commission



- as said surely it is in the interest of all owners to work together to get this started

sweep


Joined: 11/10/2007
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 21:27

what site is this and who are the managment company in place ??

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 21:47

I await the word of a certain member now. All positive as nothing appears to be wrong IHO.

johndp


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Posts: 497

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 22:04

It is gratifying to see so much positive input and I am sure if there is a willingness things will push forward, people have to be on hand here on site to see what is happening and to oversee things though, and maybe give everyone a monthly report with unbiased photos and commentary, it is easy to do.

Arnold


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 01:58

This is when Glencoe managed the site in 2008 -

http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/jamiedm/Turquoise%20Bay%20-%202008/

http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/jamiedm/Turquoise%20Bay%20as%20of%202008/





These are photographs of turquoise bay april 2009, just before Glencoe ceased managment -

http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/jamiedm/Turquise%20Bay%20-%20April%202009/



This is the state Glencoe left turqouise bay and walked off the site, in april 2009.

Arnold


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 01:59

Johndp,



I believe you are glencoe (greg), or you are related to glencoe (greg). Is this correct?

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 08:13

Well you did not have long to wait for the alter ego to appear message 25, I think that if the twirleys read this they will verify that the pictures of the pool photographed is in fact the pool that has still not been commissioned in phase two, rather a lowlife attempt to discredit, but of course this had been used before by pipie as a reason for non payment and for accusing the M/C of not having ALL pools up and running, when they said they had, I must admit they left themselves open to that accusation because they didn't give a thought to the non commissioned one thus giving pipie a bandwagon to jump on, also many people who live and indeed know the area will also verify the photos of a builders camp adjoining TQB, what has this to do with a M/C - and the photos of the weeds - well what can we say, but it is fascinating that I saw these first photographs attached to an e-mail from PIPIE to the last M/C,

well

well

enough said.

Thank you pipie/arnold

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 09:24

18 months on I think Arnolds photos at this stage are irrelevant in fact what they do show is how the site is not moving forward and as difficult as it is for all of you the past in the past -there is nothing you can do abouti it.



Arguing and we have all heard the arguements time and time again is getting you no where in my opinion



You need to tackle the situation as it is NOW, move forward and then move your site forward. If we on our site had stayed still after our last MC had gone then it would be in the same state, we didnt, we tackled the site bit by bit and are still doing so, because we have a strong committee and a good management company that works with us and most importantly we know where every single penny goes this is where you need to focus on getting too.



not this constent harping backwards it doesnt achieve anything

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 10:48

Arnold I would suggest that all these photos were taken at the same time as the pool steps photograph for 2008 and 2009 are identical even down to the suns shadow!



Chris

breezyboy


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Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 11:55

So lets do some simple maths as to where the money being paid to Lynx is going.

Assume that 40 people are paying £60 per month which doesnt appear to be an exageration.

I pay £60 per month for my pool. It is always immaculate. So 3 people's money is being spent on pools?

I pay £30 per month for a gardener and my garden is great. So lets say the communal areas and so on need 40 times that amount of labour then 20 owners money is attributed to keeping the garden clear without actually putting new plants in. This leaves 17 owners money to spend on admin and everything else.

Problems with the buildings and walls should still be in the domain of the builder so the encumbant commitee and the m/c should be ensuring this remedial work is carried out by them.

I walked around this site two years ago when a c44 member was carrying out a vendetta with the previous m/c and it was certainly nothing like the pics from Arnold. Can anyone else back these up with dated photos?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 12:03

one point it cost more than £180 per month for a large pool to be kept - I hear what you are saying but they are bigger than a small villa pool - we are charged £400 per month for ours but is bigger than TB so somewhere in betweeen I woudl suspect



but then the MC should be able to give you the figures and costings

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 12:03

Arnold/pipie

I am NOT Glencoe as you well enough know, I am not a company, nor am I Greg.

It is irrelevant that (this person) these people keep up this spiteful vendetta the fact remains that TQB is as we speak in a dreadful state, Sienna has recently visited, Scoty has recently visited as have others and all are of the same opinion, this is about the PRESENT.

People on here have been accused of keeping harping back to the past and now the accusers are doing the self same thing, sure we all remember the state the pool on the new bit of the complex was in, with the polystyrene floating in it and all the globules of congealed muck, but that was nowt to do with the last M/C, the fact is it was not and indeed still is not commissioned.

Chris thanks for being so observant, it is disgusting how low some will stoop to discredit others.

johndp


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Posts: 497

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 12:22

The costings as per the M/C report are £522 per month for maintenance of 2 pools and average £440 per month for garden maintenance, just under £1000.00 per month, then theres the communal electric bills which run about £550 a month, allow another £1000 for other expenses around £2550 a month outlays, pipie said theres very few non payers now and the figure she quoted on here was 75% paying, so 75% of 126 apartments = 94 payers @£59 per month each = £5546 hmmmmm ?? £3K for salaries - for who ?? the gardener is paid and the pool man is paid

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 12:31

Hello

John I think that is a bit simplistic, and I also think pipie was being economical with the truth as to how many people were actually paying - or she was being given wrong information, but there should be sufficient funds to keep the complex reasonable, and I emphasise reasonable with just half of the apartments paying, perhaps not all pools up and working but sufficient for the needs of the complex at present.

There will shortly be another consideration with the septic tanks and sewerage system to contend with.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 12:55

I would have thought that by now someone from Lynx would have been on and commented? Surely they would want to put their point of view across with reasons as to why the site is in the condition it is. surely someone out there must be able to contact them and let them know that their name is being dragged through the muck - literally!

With more rain apparently forecast for next week, something needs to be done very quickly or these poor owners will surely suffer more heartache.

Re the 2008/09 pictures - what do they have to do with conditions now? Well noticed Chris, very observant. Any comments Arnold?

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 13:09

Good old Cyprus (con)struction experts.

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 14:56

It is not just the cost of looking after the pools and the gardening. There is also the cost of communal water and electricity and the upkeep of the management company's equipment and I am sure many other things to consider.. However, I would not have thought it was for me or anyone else not on the site to be discussing these details. The only way to move forward is for the majority of sensible people on the development to get together and discuss their next move and ignore the trouble makers as they will never change wherever they are.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 15:21

All costs and expenses of all outgoings should be available via the MC if they are abiding by the law, so that you know exactly what is left so that monies can be directed where appropiate to bring the facilities back up to working order.



If the Management Company are using their 'own tools' then they should upkeep them - if they are the sites tools then yes you will have an expense to keep them in working order as we do on our site, all tools have been purchased from our fund money and used on our site



This is an open forum and therefore this thread is not dedicated as an owners only area or have I missed something surely therefore can be discussed openely - thats the whole point of forums



I am sure when they wnat to discussed something as owners only they will refere back to their own forum

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 17:49

Where are the pro m/c ? One posted earlier, but disappeared when questions were asked. Where is the m/c spokesperson? Usually pops in for a tuppenceworth. Not recently though! Out of depth maybe?

What goes round etc.

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 18:00

Hi Isabella and sienna, I did in message 35 mention communal electric bills but not communal water which should just about wash its own face but if not it is included in the £1K other expenses.

The M/C using their own equipment may not have crossed the minds of those who were castigating previous efforts, but no doubt by the deafening silence we can take it that this war of words is now in the past (hopefully)

The majority sometimes get drowned out by the minority, but some so called troublemakers just need to study things from a different perspective to see the gains that can be made by co-operation, not all of them are just TROUBLEMAKERS !!

jay76 your input is so welcome :(

johndp


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Posts: 497

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 07:42

Project Name: TURQUOISE BAY RESORT Report Period: September 2010

The sand in one filter in Kings Bar pool has gone hard and needed acid in it to break it up. Filter emptied and

new sand installed.

The top pool is running normal and is crystal clear and clean.

There is no overflow in the balance tank of any of the pools and when it rains heavy for a long period there is the

chance of flooding the pump room resulting in pumps being burned out, this needs to be addressed soon, but as

the fund is low money is not available for any capital expenditure works or projects.

The entrance to the Gym and pool area is via stairs to the basement area of the apartment block adjacent to the

on-site office which has no drain at the top of the stairs has resulted in rain getting in this area and down the

stairs causing some damage This has to be addressed before the next winter rains, but as the fund is low there is no money

johndp


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Posts: 497

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 07:46

Sorry ran out of space, the above is taken directly from the 'latest' M/C report last September, as all can see the problem is lack of funds to carry out necessary repairs.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 10:10

If there is a contract with the managment company - sue them!!!

People say that this is a waste of money - but the hassle it gives them is worth it as they have to deal with the fall out.

Also get a load of publicity - using there name - give it out on here

NAME AND SHAME THEM and you will find they will try to shut you up by doing 'some' of the work.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 10:30

HildySmith

I think the point that John is trying to make here is not about the M/C not doing the works, it is about people not paying their maintenance fees, the fund was non existant at their last presentation of monthly account, and it is quite simple, if there is no money then there will be no maintenance.

My amazement at all of this is that the complex was well warned by the last M/C that things would end up like this, and that was before they pulled out of the place, there were a small band (I think 4/5) that were unhappy with the way things were handled when the developer contracted the last M/C to run the site, they refused to pay, which is well documented on here, that coupled with a couple of large investors who were not contributing, led things to collapse before, and I thought lessons would have been learned, but obviously not.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 11:33

Without money coming in this will never be resolved but proberly only get worse if its not got to grips with



a. the place will fall further into disrepair

b. people that are paying may well stop when they see there money going where ?



If you have non-payers they can be taken to task now under the new law ok not tried and tested but somone has to be first off the starting blocks !



next question, so why are the committee not working towards, with the management company, to getting the monies in ? follow the process before its too late would be my advice



This should now be the priority of the site surely get the monies so you can priortise the works required along with chasing the developer that has left the site in this mess.



no money in - no site maintenance, not matter who the company are. If there is a contract as suggested above which there should be - if not why- within that contract there should be the obligations of the owners to pay the fees

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 11:46

also going back to message 43



a bit like the chicken and the egg, - what comes first - if you dont spend the money on stopping the water ingressing into pump rooms, filters, indoor swimming pools and gyms etc then ultimate the end cost will be far more than the remedial work.



We did find on our site simple solutions for some flood defenses that directed rain water elsewhere, preferably the storm drains to avoid this



Your site is in a right old pickle !! - If I was on this site I would expect an EGM to be called and ASAP



personailities - old history - blame although there need however to be pushed aside to get this one sorted and sooner rather than later - surely thats what you all want including the current MC, no one wants to see their investment in this state with not light currently at the end of the tunnel.

johndp


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Posts: 497

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 14:06

Sienna

Most of this could have been avoided if people were given time and the non payers had paid from the start, they were well and truly warned what would end up happening, but as usual some were not listening, it is the old story

"I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you"



I can visualise roughly where the site would be today if things had been allowed to progress till the end of the contract which would have been up in May past, but there is the Esentepe 1 - unfortunately !



However the present situation is useless, the M/C said on here that the committee was democratically elected, sorry it was not !

The present committee interim or otherwise have been in position for a year and there has been very little movement at all !

We are overdue for an AGM why ?

THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE SORTED sooner rather than later, we cannot keep going on promises of maybe and sorry theres no money in the kitty, is it perhaps that the M/C are taking too much themselfs

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 20:28

Sienna

Messages 47/48 there seems to be a fair bit of apathy among the owners on the complex it would seem many of them are either afraid to speak out and stand up to the constant whingers, or dont care either way, the present (interim or full) committee, have been in place for quite some time but as said above a couple of e-mail letters in twelve months stating that the M/C are in discussions with the developer and the investors to see how best to tackle things is simply not good enough, action needs to be taken immediately on site, a suggestion that has worked on another smaller complex, if all the owners pay an extra months fees, that would raise around £3500/£4000 to get a contractor in to sort out the flood prevention and balance tank overflow problems, and do some of the repair works to the pavements and road, this money could be viewed as a payment to account, and the owners could get a free month at a later date to be set, as there is no contingency fund in place

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 20:50

How about suing the building company, they shpuld be paying a lot of the maintenance fees as legally they still own all of the unsold apartments, as owners they should be paying maint charges.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 21:23

japeal you are not wrong .. but as they say a long drawn out process. rightly or wrongly



Lazy days good idea for a quick fix solution - a contingency fund is always good for emergency repairs, again we do have one on our site and has been used for emergencies - it may be a way forward.



You always get some owners that are not bothered and just want to rock up for their summer holidays, however they are going to have a shock turning up on Turquoise Bay. As said owners need to take responsibility to what they signed up for and stop the apathy - it doesnt work like that, but yes you get apathy on all sites, but apthay gets you know where

johndp


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Posts: 497

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 19:07

The 15th has come and gone and still nothing on the M/C website as promised ?



I think the idea lazy days has come up with is maybe not the best but certainly the only one that has been put forward to try and progress the complex.

I would like to see an extraordinary general meeting called immediately, a proper committee elected (with local knowledgable representation if possible) letters and representations to the developers to put right the defects on the site forthwith, this should also help them to offload their unsold properties !

The committee being proactive in telling the M/C what they require to be done for the fees paid to them and a timescale for these jobs to be completed, if the M/C do not want to continue under these conditions then the complex maintenance be put our to tender, with a clear definition of what is required of the M/C and the amount and type of fee that will be payable to them by the floor owners.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 19:17

hurrah EXACTLY ! what should be done - Don't forget to monitor who pays the extra and who doesnt and keep all receipts as to work done so you can bill the other apartments for their share or addit to their debt



A good plan I would say

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 19:18

Msg 53 - think you got it in one. Never mind 'outsiders' being involved - get it together on site and go forward from there. Never mind the ' in hand' 'looks like improving' 'hopeful'. Get it sorted with owners and best of luck in getting everyone to agree

johndp


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Posts: 497

Message Posted:
17/01/2011 10:21

Thanks one and all, this thread has blossomed and there is a concensus among some people on here, but there are still too many people not contributing, come on the twirleys can you add anything or agree/disagree, how about the chair of the present committee (interim or otherwise) what do you think as you are the ones who put your selves forward to run the site on our behalf, we have waited for long enough lets have action NOW.

thetwirlys


Joined: 11/06/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 00:25

Hi johndp,

Having had time to digest the above comments I would like to voice mine for what it is worth:-

I believe that a new committe should be elected democratically who have the interest of the owners at heart,

The developer should be brought to task about the state that he left TQB in. How can the owners be asked to repair fallen walls when he clearly has not built them correctly in the first place. NO electricty supply to D block as I write this. Why did he install a pump in D block pool knowing full well that it could not be tested. I looked at the pump in October and it was under water and no doubt it is US. What about the ground that has sunk on the apartments on the valley side LAST YEAR. He is not a man of integrety How can he expect to sell any further properties? Would you as and owner pay to the maintence company when you have problems like this.

THESE ARE A FEW OF THE PROBLEMS FACING OWNERS ON TQB.

johndp I would like to talk of line

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 01:27

Until you separate the two - developer and maintenance you are not going to get very far.



You need to pay your maintenance message 57 otherwise you might as well all close up your apartments and stay at home as your site will eventually not be habitable.



Your next stage is to put pressure on your developer.

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 07:47

Hi John,

I took your e-mail from you profile and e-mail on its way



But have to say this cant be put down to "a man of integrity or not" this is a company we are dealing with, that PROBABLY haven't got the money available to do any more works on the site, possibly because they are owed money from an overzealous investor or two, only surmising the scenario but if true then theres not a lot we as owners can do to rectify that particular scenario unless as a group we take legal action to put memorandums on the properties not contributing for the outstanding amounts due and together with compounded interest of 8% till settled this might just waken those non payers up



Isabella, it is already that way, :(

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 10:23

If you do have non-payers then - what are the Management Company doing about them - thats what you should ask

thetwirlys


Joined: 11/06/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 11:12

just for the record Isabella we are not non payers we have always paid our mainanence fees

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 11:38

I have been reliably informed that indeed you always did "the twirleys" good luck in whatever you decide to do

A

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
19/01/2011 17:51

I have left things to see if as promised the M/C on TQB would give us the promised update on the 15th of Jan 2011, it is now 5.45pm on the 19th of Jan 2011 and there is no information or update on the website nor are we gettin answers from Lynx, I need to know why there is no update on the maintenance monies since November 2010 when we are supposed to get a monthly update, and there is no update on the maintenance report since September 2010, so come on what is going on ? are there problems that are not being shared with bona fide owners and what the hell are the interim committee doing ?

This is not going away ! maybe others wont speak out but I will

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 09:50

Another thing noted is the fact that the part time gardener has been noticeable by his absence on the complex this past week.

I am really grateful for the e-mails and support that have arrived so far it and it is clear that people want an EGM and properly elected committee sooner rather than later

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 17:49

Best of luck to all on site. Hopefully you can move forward - together. Still cannot believe that the M/C or normal rep has not been on here to give their update / comments. Surely their reputation is suffering.

Again, hope all works out for you all there.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 16:34

Scoty

My friend went into the M/C office in person and asked questions on behalf of an owner on the 11th of Jan. questions which he had written for her, she was told that they could not answer them, but that everything would be posted on their website on the 15th, it is now the 22nd and alas still nothing as yet, no update to the site account report, no update to the last maintenance report which was dated Sept 2010, we do not wish to discredit but something is very wrong here, and to back this fear up, on another site where my friend owns and the same M/C operate, the site account report was updated as normal, so I must call into question their policy of openness and transparency which was the main theme when they were un veiled as the new M/C

Perhaps someone from the M/C or committee (interim or otherwise) would care to comment ? or dare I say they have also been made unfulfilled promises.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 22:23

What I find annoying is that these company's are supposed to working for owners NOT the other way around , if asked they should respond it is your money that keeps them where they are, they should all do well to remember that !

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
23/01/2011 09:32

I think all the myths and untruths have been blown apart, the not genuine photos and photos of a pool that was never in the equasion in the first place, the builders camp outside the complex etc, the so called openness and transparency when OWNERS ask questions and are told nothing by M/C.

Well here's my take on this, the M/C are in the exact same position as before, false promises of things being done, this cant be allowed to go on for the next year, same as I said last year, but nobody on the place listened, its not good for the struggling businesses on the site, it's not good for the owners and there kids (danger everywhere) ACTION IS NEEDED NOW.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 18:19

August 2009, 17 months ago the M/C posted this, where is the sturdy committee ?? the moment is past and still no delivery!

*LynxLtd



Message Posted:

19/08/2009 23:38

Reply Message 54 of 62 in Discussion

Thanks for your comments. As your appointed future management co & following numerous meetings with the Developer & discussions with the major Investors we feel we have a better understanding of the challenges lying ahead of us. We also understand the concerns of the Homeowners. Although you have ample facilities, the challenge is not the maintenance, it is actually the management of a community without CC&R's(conditions, covenants & restrictions). However working alongside a sturdy committee we're confident that we can overcome the hurdles on TBR &provide you with an investment that appreciates over time & one that you can derive enjoyment from. Lynx’s performance is judged on delivery & not promises so please excuse us for not responding to discussions re TBR for the moment.

LynxLtd


Joined: 24/04/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
26/01/2011 19:08

Pay your fees and we'll show you what we can do.

Lynx Management.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
26/01/2011 19:28

) ) )



Do what folk pay you to do and just maybe more will.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
26/01/2011 20:50

a very sweeping unconstructive statement message 70

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
26/01/2011 23:11

We pay our fees and have since we bought, however we now see what we are up against hope those who were singing your praises are proud of your response now EH ??

OK in response to this statement from Lynx, it is to be supposed that there are a number of non payers AGAIN, why are you not naming and shaming them as you are doing on other sites, or are you afraid of the consequences.

To a certain person, lets hope you can see all of this in a proper light now and maybe just maybe you will finally realise that you had a good deal before, and a team that were working damned hard on behalf of all owners - eh ?

Oh and by the way we want an EGM asap.

clairegordon


Joined: 18/11/2010
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 00:23

Message 65 I think you have got a reply in message 70

Message 72 I concur

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 09:34

This latest post number 70 strikes me as absolutely incredible, people ask open and forthright questions of the M/C and do not get any answers, yet they come on this bulletin board with a repost like that.



Let us now reflect as JDP said, there is a very sad but true similarity now apparent between what has gone on in the past and what is going on now, the difference is the present company took a little longer (almost twice the time) to expose the problems of non payers, the last company chose to tackle them individually but the present company choose to post it on here, however the problem is the same, and as before the M/C is running out of patience.



My problem with all of this is that the complex is once again suffering from neglect and this is unfair on the majority of owners who are paying regularly, and in many cases well in advance (a folly in my opinion)



Cont:

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 09:45

A possible solution to all of this may be for the large group of owners who are paying faithfully, to put a fighting fund together to take the non payers to court and have memorandums placed on their properties, the compounded interest and legal fees placed against them may just make them wake up and smell the coffee, however this will only work if ALL non payers are tackled, not just a chosen few.

Please join the private forum if you are an owner on TQB and share your views with the dozen or so people who are on there presently, all OWNERS will be welcomed if they have constructive suggestions as to a way forward, after all by now MOST of you must see that contrary to the opinions of one or two the last M/C words have come very true, and the lies and hypocracy have been well and truly outed

http://www.glencoecyprus.com private forum Turquoise bay 2, you must register to join

Thanks

A

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 09:45

Msg 74 - it would appear I did get a reply, although I am sure it is not exactly what the owners were hoping for.

Looks like there could be a few more problems ahead unfortunately for the site.

As per msg 73, I think a meeting is needed indeed and as soon as possible.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 10:10

Tuquoise bay owners now have access to a communication system set up by committee and Lynx.

Turquoise bay owners need to Contact lynx ASAP for access if you have not received information regarding this .



On a personal note the promoting of a forum for communication for Turquoise bay owners by the previous failed managament company is completley biased and is not in the best interest of any Turquoise bay owner.



Log on to the new communication system and let all move forward . Have a good day all !!

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 19:26

I really have to take issue once again, this has been a good thread till now and I stayed off it, AN other came on in the other guise - HELLO ARNOLD, and made a complete prat of it, showing themselves up in the process.

Lets take the "on a personal note" bit of message 78 wasnt it you pipie that tried unsucessfully to set up your own web site forum and failed miserably, was it not you pipie that tried unsucessfully to set up a UK meeting of all TQB owners, ? think on it we can all see thru this now.

On an honest note the last M/C did not fail but resigned from their contract due to non payers, you should pick your words more carefully AGAIN !!

Are you saying that all the owners that are discussing things on the other forum are all wrong and you are right AGAIN ? there appears to be no bias on there only SENSIBLE conversation and suggestions (and comments about disruptive individuals)

To date there is no update since Nov 2010 on the site account report

Continues

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 19:35

More !

but there is a little repeated stuff on the maintenance report but nothing new.

July/Aug/Sept/Oct/Nov all showed a deficet on the account report and they seem reluctant to publish December, i wonder why ?? could it possibly be that for the sixth month running the account shows a deficet and they have everything crossed that the "investors" pay up, why else would they post what they did in message 70 and it also blows away your claims that 75% are paying on site so enough of your "*ullsh1t"



The M/C will continue to chase up ***** IN THE HOPE THAT MORE WORK WILL BE FINALISED IN THE NEAR FUTURE, we have been hearing this for 18 months now, enuf is enuf.

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 20:49

An unbelievable response in message 70. Especially to people who had clearly stated on the forum that they had fully paid their fees vut that they were concerned about the state of their development. It gives a very clear picture of the management company to people who are not connected with the development but have been following the thread.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 20:57

msg 78 - Ihave noticed that you are also commenting on another site out East. Do you own on there - or take part as a wannabee. You still have not answered your critics on here re the m/c - your full support was behind them, ut they seem to tell a different story from you - msg 70.

BTW - Have you paid??

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
27/01/2011 21:18

I wondered how long it would take :(

Many people have seen the development for themselves and all but those with blinkers/blindfolds on can see the state of the place, in fact if it weren't for the fact that many of the plants that were planted a couple of years ago are maturing nicely, it would look like a desert - there are those that just simply refuse to face the truth of the situation such as pipie, who continues the inuendo as in message 78, who is she to tell any owner on TQB whats in their best interests as she is not even an owner !!

Message 82, ;)

Arnold


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 02:03

Johndp



John Penhale,



You appear to constantly compare management companies - Just take a look at the photos taken at a site meeting on turquoise bay last year, when managed by Lynx. Owners did remark at that meeting on a big improvement compared to when the site was managed the previous year by you know who.







http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/jamiedm/tbrpools/

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 08:43

Dear "ARNOLD"

Absolutely amazing, astonishing, extraordinary, mindblowing - now how many more expletives would you like used, it is so nice to see you using pictures taken once again by Jamiedm, we could go on for ever with photos as there are over 1000 archived which would blow your theory out of the water including the LIES you told in post number 27, and I am glad you got my name right this time not as you post 28

It is interesting to note that you have made 28 posts, your earlier posts were written EXACTLY the same way as pipies with spaces between the last letter and the comma or fullstop, something quite uncommon , also interesting that you use the same photos that pipie sent to the last M/C some two + years ago , also interesting that you have out of 28 posts, eight about TQB, eight about the marina & vistamar, three about sweetwaterbay and three about the reserve, very interesting that you dont give a name in your profile as well

Cont:

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 08:56

It is sad that you also wear blinkers (of course they are the same ones pipie wears), but the word of those who have visited TQB recently, for example sienna - Isabella - breezyboy - scoty - johndp - chegwin - the twirleys - gooligan, myself to name but a few, and some of them actual owners !! they paint a very different picture, and after all most of the photos featured were carefully stage managed, as is your favourite practice, so in the context of this thread your input is irrelevant, as I would suggest, so are you.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 08:58

oh gawd not again



LD ' got your name right' are you johndp then John Penhal - confused.com



You guys will never move this site on with your constant bickering.



Arnold whoever you are the photos you say were last year trust me your site don't look like that now, one pool out of how many 4 commissioned however you want to look at it its a mess right now!



Ok you may as lynx says not have the money the issue should be about how to tackle the site as a whole and how to move forward -



Pipie, sorry you of all people should know about proper elections and tenders !



I think becasue of this rift unless you agree to start again you are all doomed to ploughin money into a bottomless pit

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 09:13

Sienna

Please dont be confused Jdp is not online just now I am and saw this idiotic post from the famous "ARNOLD" and decided to tell some home truths and blow the myths out of the water, this thread was going well till the infamous one came in on it again mouthing platitudes, as someone said on here some time ago, they could have put anybody on to TQB after the last M/C and pipie would have said they were brilliant, so deep is her hatred, sad really as it's her that is suffering, however TQB is not alone as we know.

There should be enough money to keep the site reasonable and not as it is now, and thank you sienna for your honest observations.

Dare I say that pipie has no real interest in moving the site forward and does not have the knowledge or experience to help, she may well have started out as a well meaning amateur but she did not have one inkling of what was going on with TQB, and it still is

Cont:

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 09:32

Cont:-

So until she can fully understand the background and history she is not in a position, nor has she the right to cast her spurious venom on the last M/C or indeed any company as she has done.

Most people have seen by now that the present M/C are in exactly the same position as the last one, and the site has once again suffered as a result of certain things, I have offered a possible solution and until something radical is done things will not change on TQB and it is not the fault of the past or present M/C so it is time for people like pipie to admit their mistakes and then everyone concerned can move forward to tackle the real issues.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 09:44

Sienna mess 87, that was tongue in cheek with the smilies as I rarely ever use them, just like to spike some drinks so to speak

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 09:44

I'm online now as well so this thread was started by me to show the state TQB is in now, not 3yrs not 2yrs not last year but NOW, it was others that started harping back to the past !!

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 09:53

SIENNA

thanks for telling the truth, I take it youve seen the state of the place just now its not imaginaton its fact and its got to be sorted

Its about time this pipie realised this and admitted it, instead of trying to pull the wool over everybodys eyes, she has heard from somebody else recently who owns and they tell the same story, but she will not accept it WHY ?? is she getting special treatment i wonder ? or mebee she is on commission to sell apartments ha ha !!

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 10:14

It would be most helpful if the site monthly account was updated regularly as was promised so as to be open and transparent, wouldn't you agree pipie ? it only helps to cast doubt on the credability of a company if they are not doing this isn't this right pipie ?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 10:22

Since buying in Northern Cyprus I have always - despite what others may think of me - been fighting for what is right for owners, whether that be bad management or developments left unfininshed and more importnantly for the rights of owners, by way of committees and ensuring that MC work for owners not hte other way around



What I will always debate is the point whether OWNERS money is going to the best use of the site - that means full transparency from any MC



With the Floor of Easment Law there now is a legal route, maybe not tried and tested (soon will be ) but a procedure to follow to bring non-payers and MC to task



I would suggest you on this site follow it - it is clear some want too so why not !? it has to be

If as message 70 says there are non-payers I ask again what are they doing about them - maybe they cannot do anything as they have not followed the process if this is the case - Then you as owners need to start again so you can firstly bring these to task

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 10:33

Sienna,

exactly what I have been proposing as well, but it must be done properly, there have to be steps taken, the first of which is an EGM where a properly elected committee is put in place, following the proper procedures, a book of owners put together and properly registered with the land registry office (may be problematic in the future for some people) a scope of works laid out, a contract written up and tenders requested by management companies to carry out the works on behalf of owners and their charges for doing these works to the spec. then maybe things will be on the right track to move on to the next stage of putting pressure on the non paying owners, however I emphasise again that ALL owners on a complex must pay (no grace and favour)

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 10:45

Can I ask a question here

Just to paint a picture the way I believe it should be

The developer builds a site of 100 houses, and sells off 45 to individual buyers, 30 to investor A, 10 to investor B, 5 to development directors,

he has 10 left unsold.

In my opinion there is 10 unsold properties so there are no owners, is this correct ??

In my opinion the ones sold to investors are sold to them as owners owners, and these investors should be paying is this correct ??

Places kept by developers for their own use, should they be paying ??

Please sensible debate and answers only

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 10:56

My opinion message 95 yes they should



Investors whether individuals or companies will benefit or not from a well kept site. If the site goes in to disrepair as in TB case then this devalues ALL properties not just 'normal' house owners



LD may correct me as not 100% sure without checking but I do believe there is a clause for them to pay under the new law ?!



LD Message 95 I cannot see for the life me why any owner would not want to move forward in this way

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 11:03

Sienna message 94

It is admirable that you have been fighting to bring things up to European (better) standards in the TRNC and you should be applauded for your efforts, unfortunately with most of these bulletin boards many of the threads with suggestions end up as insults against companies or individuals, and we have all been guilty of this, some more than others I might add.

In my opinion most companies out there are reputable and want only the best for their clients, but this is (was) not a modern day European country and was the reason we purchased here, we realised that there were not going to be houses constructed to EU criteria, we realised the roads would be forever till they were finished, we realised the electric would go off many times, we realised the shops would not have every conceivable appliance people would need, but that is why we chose to live here, now however after almost 5 years, we have had enough of this modernisation and soon we will go elsewhere

Cont:-

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 11:04

So how come messege 95 has not been put to present maintenance company committee and all owners on Turquoise bay. ? it certainly is not on the communication site.

Yes the right way to go but surely this information needs to be put to each individual owner committee and Lynx.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 11:10

Cont:-

In search of the tranquility and unspoiled beauty we know still exists in this modern world, we will leave behind us the feeling that this little piece of earth kissed by heaven, has been taken over by the juggernaut of modern day living, and those people who yearn for this kind of thing are welcome to it, however please do not ask us to share it, we lived it for long enough during our working lives.

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 11:17

Pipie mess 99, how would you know whether the thing has been or not been put to the present people or not ???????????

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 11:19

pressed send too quick



You are not even an owner, all of this should by now be known by people who are supposed to be representing the owners, but ??

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 12:15

mods I think you can close this if you want as my question has been well & truly addressed and since pipie has come back from exile it has started to go down the tubes which is not needed.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 13:57

Message 100 you are right BUT what it doesn't mean that MC's Builders, Devlopers other woners can rip us off of what we have taken time to earn either



Hoping this all works out for you ALL

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 16:04

Not one word of Lazy days suggestions have been posted on the E-mail communication site.

Not one word of Lazy days suggestions has been put out any owner I know personally who is an owner on the site.

Not one word of lazy days suggestions have been put out from the commitee.



Smoke screens in my opinion. It is easy to spout off on this forum giving the impression you want the best for site, try putting things in the right direction er like the owners

Lets see where the suggestions go from here !!



Have a good weekend all .

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 16:36

The Thread is OK as long as the on going battle between posters doesn't get personal although it baffles me why this is repeatedly fought out on 44 when there appear to be other specific methods of having a discussion. Instead the same old questions keep being brought up and no one appears to want to move onward.



Johndp you cannot really complain if Pipie joins a thread when you made a fairly specific reference to her in a post can you?



There have been some good suggestions on this thread it appears to me, mainly about non payers. If the contract goes out to tender at some stage in the future, will it be on the basis that only X% of the units will pay? Again it strikes me that any management company would struggle in such a situation. From the outside it appears that all concerned with this development should stop squabbling over who said what to who and when and agree a way to deal with the most pressing fundamental ongoing problem.



Harold

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 16:40

I usually refrain from posting on such specific matters if possible but offer the above on behalf of other readers of the site who whilst sympathising with the plight of people on the development must seriously feel like bashing some heads together!





Harold

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 16:45

Hi all,



As I'm now in TRNC, I'd really like to come and have a look at the TQB site.



Can someone please advise me just where it is, and how to get there?



Thanks.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 18:10

Next to Turtle Bay Devlopment opposite the Golf Course, it looks like the two are one TB is the one with Kings Bar on it - past Alagadi Beach

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 19:51

As pipie is still trying to make this personal lets deal with specifics here, she is NOT an owner as per her own admissions - so how does SHE have knowledge of what is on an e-mail communications site for tqb, ( her favs) ?????????

My communications are on here for ALL TO SEE, so all owners know what I am thinking, especially as she is the biggest mouthpiece we could wish for, and many peeps who read but dont contribute here already see my thoughts on the matter

Pipie having spoken to 8 - yes eight owners today none of them know anything about this great communications site you are now suddenly so much in awe of, another secret is it ?

Another thing pipie, you know very little, my thoughts were conveyed to another, an actual owner, unlike you, who DID e-mail the "so called committee" and the courtesy of a reply is still awaited, would you like the e-mail put up on here as proof positive, ?.

You see pipie I address your slurs, pity you dodge direct questions,

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 20:04

Lazy days are you an owner ? if not what interest do you have other than smoke screens.



Do you know of the T/B communication E-mail link ?



If not maybe it slipped Greg and John penhale to tell you they posted on there only a few days ago. both signed the same E-mail.



Oh by the say I am not making anything personal, far from it, only when you bring up the past I will.



Now I ask you again what efforts have you made personally to T.B OWNERS re your suggestions.

Considering the amount you have to say regarding T/B your reply will be interesting !!!

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 20:07

ROTTOLOVER

Message 108, I would be delighted to arrange to have you taken round the whole estate, and have all the good and all the bad pointed out to you, or you can do it yourself, but if you do yourself please take note of all the collapsed pavements, the holes in the roads, the cracks in the buildings, the peeling paintwork, the dirty stairwells, the dirty communal windows, the filthy gym equipment, the empty indoor pool, the collapsing areas round the apartments on the right as you drive down towards the Kings bar, the collapsing so called flood prevention measures almost adjacent to the Kings bar, the pool behind B8/9/10/11/12/13 which is full of muddy water, the wall behind it which collapsed last winter and has still not been repaired, the lack of sauna & steam room (oh I love that one) the collapsed wall on the entrance to the car park beside B7 ?, the disgusting building site in the middle of the area with weeds growing thick everywhere,

Cont:-

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 20:16

Cont:-

The builders camp on the way to the beach?, the unusable tennis and basketball courts, the swimming pool on D block which is full of muddy water and rubbish which is absolutely disgraceful, the so called garden areas which were described by the twirlys (owners) as an absolute disgrace in message 6 on this thread, also message 57 where they point out more of the problems !!

AND PIPIE YOU ARE NOT AN OWNER - FACT !! so I have as much right as you to make my feeling felt, so go dig a hole for yourself - Oh sorry you have done !!

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 20:19

Thank you sienna.

Rottolover



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Posts: 519

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 20:21

And thank you for the offer, LD...I'll probably just go and have a gander at it in the next few days.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 20:48

Hi rottolover, hope sienna does not mind me saying this but TB is usually referred to as Turtle Bay and TQB is Turquoise bay which in fact has the Kings bar on it, from the Kings bar to the North East & East and up to the main road is TQB, please visit and post your honest opinion on here as a neutral observer like sienna who has told it like it is.

Message 111 in answer to your first question am I an owner - let me ask you the same question?

Re making things personal and bringing up the past, you are a past mistress at doing just that, we are talking about the state of the site as it is now but you keep blaming a company who have been away for nearly two years, this is infantile and just shows your idiocy ! how can they be blamed for the current state of affairs - but then again I guess you will do that again anyway.

If you have a personal grudge against the person who invested in TQB M/C when nobody else would touch it, then I suggest you take it up with him, or are you afraid to

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 20:59

rotolover can u take some up to date fotos for us please LOL

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 21:03

Why does this this thread always end up getting personal?

OK you all have frustrations and a certain amount of anger but you would be far better off channelling that energy into one cohesive effort.

It appears to me as though there is not one of you that is willing to take leadership and bring everyone together to try to get these problems sorted out. The whole situation just appears to be going round in circles.

So who is man enough to stand up and take control over your situation?

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 21:09

Sexist pig

Whots wrong with pipie she aint a man lol

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billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 21:14

pipie message 111 are you seriously saying that personal e-mails to people are being made public now cos i fell into some of yours that i can put up for all to c

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 21:25

OK enough is enough.

This thread has served its purpose. When it starts to get personal then it is time to close it.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 21:26

This thread is now closed. Reason: Not specified.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
28/01/2011 21:32

AJ this thread has just got personal it doesn't keep getting personal, ask yourself some questions and look at how many good posts were on the thread before it degenerated, then maybe you will have your answer.

I think it went to 83 before an imposter threw in some myths which were soon outed as lies, then it progressed to message 99 where a non owner came in and asked questions and made points which were inflamatory, these were challenged in message 101 and still have not been answered but the slanging and accusations from the past have all been dragged up again in the last 20 posts, enough said, the originator of the thread did ask for it to be closed as it had been addressed, and lets face it many threads are closed for this self same reason - topic addressed and no need for further posts, !!