Ex pats lack of voice

gallop


Joined: 12/12/2010
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 22:38

Without the right to vote does anyone else feel that the only power we have to encourage anyone such as the government or the banks to take meaningful notice of the fraud commited against some of us is our purchasing power.I wonder if one bank or one supermarket was favoured by most of us in preference to others it would lead to some of the other institutions with a bigger voice than ours petitioning the government for a solution.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 22:42

Give it a try to find out.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 22:54

Personally I don't think we have any 'power', and you would need every9one on your side for any move to be effective, and at the end of the day, I hate to say I don't think you will achieve it.

We can't vote, because we are Temporary Residents and guests in the country, and although they like having money life will go on without us if we leave.

Personally I think we have to accept what is, or leave. Maybe one day when we become citizens (if they move the goal posts back) we can vote, and shout and persuade, but until then........................zifre.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/01/2011 23:31

gallop (mess 1)



Neither the Government or the Banks with care one hoot for you as an ex pat! you are worthless! and the fraud committed against you will not be brought to justice!



Maz (mess 3) Ex pats have no power what so ever! and you will never ever get everone on your side to be able to make anything effective!



Accept it or leave? the goal posts will be moved frequently! either move on or accept second class citizenship? your choice!

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 00:08

I doubt you could achieve agreement to use one Bank and if you did surely monies would be collated in one place and all the easier for the government to garnishee if you try to rattle their cage. I certainly would not wish to join the inevitable long queues of such customer numbers. I simply believe that the government would like to relieve me of all monies and property as my worst scenario, so I contingency plan accordingly, and until such a day may arrive take full enjoyment from the many good things and people that are here.

gallop


Joined: 12/12/2010
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 08:00

advice reminds me of the joke about the frozen bird that fell from a branch into a field and a cow came along and s--t on him.He warmed up and sang for joy at his luck until a cat came along and and ate him. Moral is if you are in the s--t and happy keep quiet. Bit like the BRS advice really.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 08:41

gallop, what a forward thinking soul you are. however, you will find yourself very lonely when you stick your head above the parapet. Ask Pauline, she battles on and the I'm alright Jack contingency (Brits) would have here keep quiet. So would the sufferers of HISS. She won't keep quiet about Injustice and neither should any of the victims. Well she is in the s**t and she is not happy, so she will keep campaigning and if she achieves nothing, at least she will go down trying.

gallop


Joined: 12/12/2010
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 15:33

Its a sad day when some people can live with the knowledge that they should be doing something about a situation but would sooner leave it to others. I have found in life that those who do leave it to others are not so shy in coming forward if there are any goodies to be had without a struggle.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 16:00

THUS IT WILL ALWAYS BE gallop - there are those that do and those that talk. But if you achieve something for the talkers they are the first in the queue for their share.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 16:33

msg 9..I like this one..

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scared man,and brave and hated and scorned.When his cause succeeds,the timid join him for then it costs nothing to be a patriot" (Mark Twain)

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 261

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 18:12

Msg 5 is wise to consider grim scenarios. What's to stop Turkey taking steps to deport nearly all foreigners if it meant a chance of cementing a peace agreement with the Greek Cypriots? Remember, it all hangs on property and territory and the bigger picture.

They could easily obtain huge amounts of property to compensate or re-settle GC claimants and legally get rid of all non-TCs/Turks who:

1. Have no title to the property they paid for due to builder mortgage memorandum.

2. Don't live in TRNC and so have vacant holiday homes that could be seized.

3. Occupy property with TRNC/"exchange" title deeds.

That would mean the majority of Brits in TRNC.

Think how many GCs could be compensated with no loss to the Turkish taxpayer. The only foreigners left would be those with internationally recognised (Pre-74) title deeds or perhaps infirm and humanitarian cases. The rest could be taken to Ercan or dropped off at the British bases.

I wouldn't bet on something like this not happening.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 18:32

I think that people are scared to stand up and make their feelings known through the fear of repercussions by the powers that be in the TRNC. Demonstrations by foreigners are banned, look at what happened to Geoff & Mary Day which was aided and abetted by the justice system, look at the journalist who was immediately deported with his family to Turkey only recently. Do you think that you would get any respect for your human rights or justice if you do try and complain? Who can honestly feel secure in the TRNC knowing that?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 18:53

Denny/Pikey...msg 11



Whilst I can understand your reasons for continuing to beat your drum and scare people about the theoretical nightmare scenarios associated with purchasing "Exchange" Title property, PLEASE don't continue to make out that the way to go is to buy Pre-74 Title Deeds.



I and many others did this, thinking we were doing "the right thing".....but although they may be internationally recognised, since around 2007 the TRNC government DON'T seem to recognise foreigner's rights to own them !

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
14/01/2011 19:07

msg 11 &12...Your wasting your time Hector/Denny ,your comments are falling on STONY GROUND Unfortunately.There are none so blind as they who will not see...............

me-style


Joined: 03/08/2010
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 11:07

Gallop you have maximum a status as visitor here so you don't have any rights, this is North Cyprus and your passport is wrong. Where do you get the idea about voting from? I love the word ex pats as none of them is here, just people living here. Would you like all the "ex pats" (immigrants) living in the UK to have the same rights as you from day one?



So get realistic and accept you are in a foreign country, and if you want your right then better go home.



Sometimes its maybe difficult to understand, but a passport dont give all rights in the world.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 11:18

and yet....how the British Turkish Cypriots love their BRITISH PASSPORTS.



of course we accept we are in a foreign country, the problem is that the foreign country doesn't accept we have Human Rights and that they do not have the the right to rip us off, if they abide by the International law

their own Parliament has accepted supercedes local law and indeed practised what they preach, they wouuld benefit too. No good belly aching how much their Human Rights are violated if they 'think' behind closed doors they can violate ours and we will NOT belly ache too.

me-style


Joined: 03/08/2010
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 19:05

pollymarples, I think you see ghosts that does not excist. Maybe worth to spend some time on understanding Turks as well as turkish cypriots. I read a lot about all kind of things here about the Government and other officials. I have s far only had good experiences here.



This is not like your home country, its different and you will have to find your way!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 19:15

Me-style...msg 17



I'm sure most people don't expect it to be like their own country.



What they do expect though is a basic level of honesty, legality and morality.



Unfortunately these basics do not seem to be extended to foreigners in the TRNC.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
15/01/2011 19:33

I have had good bad and average experiences here as in other countries including my home country UK.

understanding turk, turkish cypriots Kurdish bla bla bla is something we all need to do when we are foreigners in countries. However which ever country I am in I will fight with the tools, knowledge and understanding I have obtained in order not to not loose my home to corruption



I dont think polly marples ever saw ghosts only demons and theres many about and I think she will have spent a lot of time on trying to understand their ways and has most defintely found her way.



corruption isnt hard to understand in any country nor has the country anything to do with it. corruption is corruption and people doing the corruption only to well know it so what s the problem in fighting for your home please do tell me visitor or whatever

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 02:42

The average Turkish Cypriot has it hard and is probably unaware of you poor Brit expats who have swarmed into TRNC in pursuit of ridiculously cheap property.

The only ones who have gained from your greed and ignorance are a handful of property developers and estate agents.

Anyone who buys property where the outcome of the political situation is so tenuous need your heads examined and yet you continue to pursue this hopeless dream.

And it will be a long time before the true situation is realised - if ever!!

Not to mention the damage you have already done to a once pleasant part of Cyprus.

Just look at the Greek side which was also once a pleasant place.

Good old Brits !! Or ******* would probably be a more fitting description.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 06:56

I resent being called an ***** by you.I came to live here when my cypriot husband died in the uk not to destroy the place! I hate what is happening here but choose to stay and try to make it better.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 08:44

me-style, would that I were seeing ghosts, the ghosts of the dead builders who have stolen £96,200 from me personally and millions of pounds from the other victims. I would love to see them all dead, God could then judge them for their sins. As for you, well your empathy is only exceeded by your smugness. Walk a mile in the shoes of any one victim, then you might, just might have the right to hand out your advice. The builder

was a mainland Turk as was the landowner who was 'given' the land he sold twice. Reading that we shouldn't besmirch the HONOUR of our Turkish/Turkish Cypriot builders makes me laugh, they wouldn't know Honour if it bit them on the bum, if they had honour, then this situation wouldn't exist.



As for littlejohn, you are very appropriately named and your understanding of 'market conditions' which dictate prices all over the world is sadly lacking. If you look at the prices now, they are even lower than when

we all bought.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 09:51

I think this thread is about doing something in order to make changes to the injustices in the community we live in. This is what Turkish Cypriots had to do when they discovered they lived in a Hellenic community in which they found their rights being abused. I imagine the Greek Cypriots told them very similar things to what is being said above, especially that they should go home to Turkey and that Cyprus was not their country. Just a thought.

Gallop, want to write an article for NCFP at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com ?

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 11:32

so littlejohn is it the brits that have caused the corruption herein the south spain ,italy and everywhere. so you think brits should just shut up and not fight wherever it may be for their homes as you seem to think we have caused it! and since when has it been a crime to decide to live in another country.



turkish cyps have had it hard some of them have it good and its not about who has it good or bad its about getting your home for the money you have paid. simple really isnt it but not to anyone obviously as you dont seem to get it I think you need to do some homework littlejohn befoe you starting calling people as you kow it takes a bigger one to know one

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
16/01/2011 22:06

Who gains ? Well a load of Turks have! They came here, (invited) , were given property and lands; eventually given Kocans, sold or developed the land, sold it to Brits and other immigrants including TC's from London, and now the Turks who were pennliless now have more money than most of the 'victims' will ever see.



And they are not all estate agents or developers - merely Turkish Dick Whittingtons who have done verynicely. Not Brituish greedy scumbags/carpetbaggers.



One wonders what telescope some people look throught.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 21:28

how many british reside full time in cyprus

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 21:35

Philbailey



What are your intentions in North Cyprus?

You say you are going for a months holiday, but is this with a view to buying a property and moving out there?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 21:49

no a holiday with a view to business .read too many horror stories on here lol

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 22:50

I do not believe there will ever be a solution to Cyprus problem where TCs will return any land or homes to GCs & vice versa. That must be clear to any fool after 40 years of negotiations!

I do not think the Brits or anyone else have to worry about Turkey or TRNC admin using British owned property to secure a deal. I assure everyone, if it came to that, probably ten times as many TCs would also face losing their property in a land deal. Neither the public at large in Turkey nor the TCs in Cyprus would put up with such a deal. It would certainly be self destructive in terms of staying in power, for any government in Turkey, foolish enough to go ahead with such a deal...

As for the original topic of this thread, there may well be a point in sticking together to earn rights - something well practised throughout the economic history of the World, but I guess it all depends how many expats are living here and more importantly, how good are the expats in sticking together? (cont)

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 22:52

If the threads in this forum are anyting to go by, then GOD help you!

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 23:39

To message 26 - there is no real answer to that. They say 30,000 have a vested interest, and maybe 10,000 live here virtually all year round. But these are figures bandied about . Anyway, as has been pointed out , foreigners cannot shout against the government. Not allowed byt law. No protests etc. Sometimes the government listens to complaint,s but rarely does anything.

As to Cronos - with a name like that, could one assume he is GC? And why should it matter as to why Mr Bailey is coming out here? Some interesting questions asked on this forum (including mine, no doubt.)

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 23:44

Maz I always find you interesting x

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
23/01/2011

Thanks Lilli. It is nice to have someone say something nice! Bless you.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
23/01/2011 00:01

This ****** did not buy here because it was cheap and I would love" littlejohn" to call me that to my face !

I bought here because I love the place, cost was NOT an issue and for "littlejohn" to classify all Brits the same makes him a big idiot. He does NOT know the situation of any of the Brits who have purchased here OR their reasons for doing so. This is another person I will not be replying to any of his posts again!



Message edited due to inappropriate language.

AJ

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
23/01/2011 00:03

Maz....make all the assumptions you like (you are very very wrong by the way)



Mr Bailey as a newcomer was asking a lot of questions.

I thought that by finding out his intentions we could tailor the advice to suit.



Hope this is ok with you !!

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
23/01/2011 00:15

Agreed, Birdman re Littlejohn's terminology. I don't think it applies to me, cos I don't like vulgar words! And you are correct - he has no idea as to why anyone is in North Cyprus - maybe it is destiny!



As to Cronos - apologies if I assumed by using the Greek word for 'time' and an occupation to do with 'hindsight' I came to a wrong conclusion. As to mr Bailey, I guess the only way to find answers is to ask the questions, but I can find only one on this thread - or has he posed many more on others.



Of course it is O.K. with me - freedom of speech on this forum isn't it - but not rudeness and misplaced terminology? (not yours)

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
23/01/2011 00:18

Maybe he has an hidden agenda or alredy lives here now with a new id on here x

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
23/01/2011 09:59

Just to get things in to perspective there are many examples of buyers successfully taking the builder to court and being paid compensation.



This has been acheived by not giving up.



As for Littlejohns contribution to the debate -he sounds a very bitter person.