thinking of buying

ginger


Joined: 29/08/2008
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 11:42

Good morning all. My partner and i are considering buying in North Cyprus, after living in both UK and Spain. We are coming out on an inspection trip at the end of October - for a look about and to seek information and view the villas being built. As we are both green on north cyprus and the 'problems' of purchasing in a place where there are so many conflicting stories and information - please can you all add your own advise, any pitfalls we should look out for and what questions you wished you had asked when first viewing.

Many thanks

L

johnty


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 11:53

Look at the subject tags at the bottom of page click on purchase and i am sure you will find what you are looking for

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 11:53

Ginger, there are lots of threads on this BB pertaining to purchasing property in the trnc. Can I respectfully suggest that you browse through the various links and get a 'feel' for what's really going on.

My own view is don't buy anything at this time. There are big changes ahead.

ginger


Joined: 29/08/2008
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 12:03

No1Doyen

you mention 'big changes ahead' - to what does this refer??

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 12:20

Have a look at at http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/ read all of the forums . Hope this helps

sunnylife


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 22:07

Hello ginger,

I bought apartment from Lapta and they have a very good quality also payment condition is very good.The site is just finished.5 block 30 apartments,they have 8x 16 swimming pool,central heating is ready to install ,children playground ,closed parking area ,very good izolation on the roof ,site has their own well and all apartments got sea and mountain view.they got title deed and company is doing title deed application for owners.

Most important is payment condition is very good .ı am very happy in my apartment.if you are interesting ı can give you contact numbers.

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 10:45

Avoid advocates (lawyers ) even those that are on the British Embassy list,rob you blind

I do not often see eye to eye with a poster pike,but he is correct when he states go it alone with the buying of property where possible

HBPG are very good for advice,Marion Stokes is a diamond

I would wait myself,prices are still falling,but saying that,if i had a house too sell & it fell too a certain level,i would take it off the market

Good luck,you need it in North Cyprus,loads of it.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 11:24

hi ginger , welcome , i would read as much of the forum threads as i could before you go out there . people's experiences are invaluable

good luck , simbas



ps , for fear of reprisal from groucho , i might have said research , research research. sorry grouch i could'nt resist that ,

have a good w/e , simbas

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 12:22

consider only finished property, with water and electric meter fitted, and preferably where the vendor has the kocan. If you are told 'will all be fitted for you' etc etc, walk away. Don't touch 'off plan'

If you want to see a cracking property, pretty much top of the range for a 3 bed, all finished, kocan iminent, no builkder problems, no mortgage on the land, just need your clothes and move in, then email me.

brian_bbmail@yahoo.co.uk

Good luck, but don't rely on luck. ask questions and do lots of research.

Brian

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 14:11

stay away from the so called exchange land and only buy pre 74 turkish or foreign owned property.

with a title deed in the owners name.

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 14:20

fire starter,not so sure about pre 74 property,HBPG are against buying it,they do know there stuff

mouthy git


Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 15:33

from somebody who used to live in spain, and now live's here i suggest that you realy think what you need, i lived and worked in spain for nearly 7 yrs and now regret moving here, as iam unable to get work permits, if you need to work and don't get a work permit for the job your doing, and get caught, you will loss everything even your property, i suggest renting for at lease 1yr, and put your money into a ytl high interest account, let hope there a full peace settlement here and we'll all be bound by euro rule's, concerning property and employment.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 15:50

windmill

it is just gossip, we had our ptp this year on pre 74 turkish title, along with other people.

its just an estate agents ploy to sell you so called exchange land, which has never been exchanged with any greek cypriot.

taken by force from a greek cypriot is more like the truth.

now possibly about to be leased to you.

it will be interesting to see how the orams get on, judgement should be out soon.

i am interested to what the homebuyers group are recommending to buy ?

my personal feelings on it are that if you were refused ptp, look at who's toes you have troden on.

as i have said before on other posts we are all being watched.

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 20:19

fire starter,not so sure about pre 74 property,HBPG are against buying it,they do know there stuff

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 20:35

fire starter

Do not know why i have post 14,yes lets just wait & see,i must say we felt more comfortable with pre 74 when we were looking to buy

Pleased for you,that you got your ptp

I hope things continue getting better for you

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 20:41

ginger,



I really do not think that now is a good time to be buying property in the TRNC,



Just read the issues on these boards.



Just my thoughts, thats all.



wyn

steviec


Joined: 13/01/2008
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 22:00

There are plenty of reasons not to buy property anywhere in the med and NC at the moment. But if you do your Homework and take your chances like ANY property purchase NC is a fantastic place to buy.



Cons



Everything you have read on this forum both true and false ie conflicting information.



Pros



property Extremely good value for money for Med



stunning scenary



lovely people



not in EU



weather



Ongoing talk



I have made the decision to buy on this basis which was an off plan 2 years ago. If i had the luxury of reading this forum first the decision would have been a bit more difficult but still would have bought but possible ready built even though extremely happy with my purchase.



















Pros

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 00:53

If you like it, just buy it. Stay in the Kyrenia area, though, that's where the land issue is being traded off for Turkish control in the settlement deal. Ooopes! me and my big mouth. Don't touch Borgaz.



Lem

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 01:24

lemtich open up please? whats up with Bogaz

regards

P

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 01:36

You might be alright mate, its still up for discussion, but Bogaz isn't as safe as Kyrenia.



Don't forget, 5 mile beach is where the Turks landed and its where their monuments are. Bogaz and the Karpas may come under European control in this plan and become subject to other issues.



The other thing is that existing PTP's and kocans may be honored but not any that are in the pipeline after a set date. This is still up for negotiation as to when. I probably have said too much already.



Lem

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 01:58

Bogaz will be fine as long as you have pre 74 deeds. Sometimes I do wonder if you would be better coming under an area that is to be governed by the South, in the event of a settlement. Surely they cant possibly be less efficient with regards to the legal status and procedure for purchasing in Cyprus.

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 02:25

Hi lem,



Has this date already been and gone do you know??



Especially as my PTPT is yet to be apprived although submitted back in 2007?

And deeds....well cant have them signed over until I receive the above??



take care d x

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 11:51

Just gossip at the moment. Anyone anywhere who bought pre-74 is as safe as the Rock of Gibraltar.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 12:13

now that is Debatable..............

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 17:09

bogaz near girne is mostly pre 74 turkish title. so should be a safe buy.

bogaz near famagusta is mostly exchange land i think.

cocos


Joined: 04/04/2008
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:26

Yes HBPG advising about ptp on pre74 title being denied. Before you even think of buying you should go to see the HBPG and look at their website. They're are the only people who will give you honest advice and help. They do tremendous work for people on a volunteer basis.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:40

cocos

i know most of the time the homebuyers do a very good job.

but this time they are wrong.

we had our ptp given to us this year and we are not the only ones!

i did tell marion this when i spoke with her regarding a friend who is tc who has a land problem ,and needed advice.

i did have a quick look on their website and didn't see anything about this at all.

i have an internationaly recognised title deed which nobody can take from me, or extort me for rent on at a later date.

there will be no greek cypriot knocking on my door!

unless they are a friend on a social visit.

as i have said before those who are refused ptp are refused by the council of ministers.

they need to look at why, they personally were refused.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 20:48

Sooooooooo glad i am at Tatlisu !!!!!!!!

rosie123


Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 11:26

henryking,how far east,we have been looking in Tatlisu

rosie

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 13:33

fire starter: "there will be no greek cypriot knocking on my door!

unless they are a friend on a social visit."



Hear, hear!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 13:35

henryking: "Avoid pre 74 property East of the island is the best bet too buy"



You sound like an estate agent desperate to get rid of GC property. Pre-74 is the ONLY safe and legal title in the north.

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 14:07

Ginger, Hi....do you still need any guidance?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 17:32

msg 34,



Why would "exchange" property be the best bet when it is subject to being returned to Greek Cypriots?

rosie123


Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:22

Hello henryking,we have been told by a lot of people now,including hbpg,not to buy pre74 and look in bogaz area

We get lost by it all

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:33

rosie,



If you have done your own homework you wouldn't need to listen to HBPG (who deal with people who have already been ripped off) and you certainly would take no notice of what Henry is saying, or joking, I suspect. Only a very foolish person thinks seized property is safer than legal titles.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:36

Property group receives three complaints a day from disgruntled home owners

By Jean Christou



A WHOPPING 2,000 foreign home buyers, or on average three a day, have contacted the Cyprus Property Action Group (CPAG) for help since its inception only in April last year.



The figure appears in a report commissioned by the previous government, which was aimed at a joint effort to resolve many of the problems experienced by foreign buyers on the island.



“Over 2,000 buyers have contacted CPAG so far, even without [us] advertising, and this number grows daily,” said the CPAG report.



CPAG had hoped to work hand in hand with the government on the basis of the report, which was handed over in January this year. However CPAG says the new administration appears to have shelved the comprehensive report prompting the group to go public on its content.



“They (the new government) have not refuted anything in the report since then, nor have they had the courtesy to formally respond,” said

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:37

reading that the south seems to have probs to lol

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 20:44

deecyprus: "reading that the south seems to have probs to lol"



not nearly as bad as the north lol

rosie123


Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 15:59

Cannot believe i wrote that,sorry all

rosie

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 16:21

henry king, you must be an estate agent?

or is it you have one of those so called exchange land propertys for sale??

which council estate is it located on?

buy some stolen land thats great advice, lol,lol,lol.



pike

you can lead the horse to water but there is not a chance in hell the stupid thing will drink.

they can bury their heads in the sand for as long as they want.

when mr t screws them maybe they will wake up and listen!

there will be lots of crying into those glass's of efes!



is it the council of ministers that decide if you get your ptp?

oh, sorry i forgot we all got our ptp from the hbpg,lol.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 17:30

forgive me henryking , but was that supposed to be humourous ?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 17:40

simbas

don't worry that was directed at me.



henry king

we had already worked you out, far to nosey.

run back to your so called exchange land and wait and see.

just because i have the same views as pike on this issue, i can't see why you think i hang out with him.

neither myself or pike are going away or going to shut up,so get over yourself.

lucky some of us have morals.

so take your personal attacks elsewhere and grow up!

you have heard of democracy i guess.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 21:45

He's not the only one, Suz.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 23:13

Thinking of buying? That was the question.



Pre 74, exchange,MTD land. The risk is speculative. Of course long standing pre 74 titles may appear to be secure but there are no certainties in TRNC. Clearly ther are PTB issues raised by Marion Stkes on 74 land. Exchange land tile is legal in TRNC and likely to remain so unless TRNC determine otherwise. MTD land is also under the protection of TRNC so could be argued to be protected by the TRNC.



Any fixed property purchased in TRNC comes with risk. Political uncertainty and possible re-unification has created mass debate on the risk.



Prices in the TRNC are reflective of the risk, regardless of title.

Just get as much indemnity as you can. Get your PTB from council of miisters. Get your name on KOCAN and make the very best of this wonderfull part of the world.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 23:22

waz,



You're right. There are no certainties in life. We may all get wiped out by a meteorite tomorrow. But we DO know that "exchange" properties legally belong to Greek Cypriots - and in many cases in recent years have either been returned or compensation paid out to the rightful owners. We also DO know this has NOT happened to any internationally recognised pre-74 properties. End of story.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 00:29

Pike, as far as I am aware pre 74 deeds carry no greater level of security under the current government.



There is, as i have indicated, a level of risk for all owners of fixed property in the TRNC. Indeed there is risk involved in the purchase of fixed property anywhere in the world...How many people across the world are moving into negative equity? The type of risk in TRNC differs according to amongst many factors title deed , history, location, govenment.

Owners and buyers must make their own assessment of the risk and act accordingly. You Mr Pike clearly feel very secure. Good on you but let the remainder live and let live.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 12:02

henryking

people like you sum up why i prefer dogs to people.

you just have no pedigree.

why is it you log on here under a different user name to slag me off?

i have noticed your snide remarks for sometime.

instead of hijacking someones post, email me directly if you have something to say.

if not run along!

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 12:48

wonderful you all.

pre 74, esdeger, points... what do you get? ....very often poor build homes whith high maintenance costs and huge ernergy bills.

look to our reply at

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/7119.asp

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 12:57

Msg 54,



Sublime come-back line!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 13:04

henry,



I'll give you mine meantime. Moral and wise.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 13:12

hi john

to be quite honest i don't care who purchased what.

its not my problem.

i think maybe you should be directing that question to mr and mrs oram.

i hear estonia is nice this time of year.

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 13:16

I might be one of those people who would buy Pre '74 no problem. Off Plan Golan Heights could be a very good long term punt if 'ole Ombami gets the talks going the right direction...........Maybe it might have a knock on effect if he passes by Girne on his way home, rubs a bit of good relations juice around and then we could all settle down and get on with living instead of worrying, for those that worry that is.



Skogs

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 17:35

john

many of my friends live on exchange land, but at least i have friends.

personally i don't have a problem at all, i am very happy with my life.

i don't need money,or anyone to pay my bills.



i think at the end of the day the proof is in the pudding.

many people here have met me, and know that i am not this agressive person you say i am.

i don't suffer fools gladly and i am nobodys fools.

as far as accussing people of being theives and lowlifes, i can't think of a time i ever have.

the theives and lowlifes were the people who sold it to you.

but if the cap fits wear it.

and as your name suggests you are a fake, everyone can see you for what you are.

the green eyed monster.

get a life.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 18:15

henryking msg 62,



I hope you are savvy enough to realise that people find themselves in court for doing less than you are on this thread. As you are known to more than one member here it may be worth your while taking some advice.

dashing


Joined: 09/06/2008
Posts: 15

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 18:36

The debate continues, pre 74 or Exchange, I'm in the process of buying and I have tried my very best to ask every conceivable question and, as far as I can tell I have received honest answers from a wide variety of sources. Instead of the vitriol that is now appearing in this Forum it would be surely better if more time could be dedicated to factual replies rather than rumours and childish slanging matches. Perhaps of course certain contributors lead very boring lives and have nothing more in their lives than to whinge and whine. However I am the newcomer and I am hopeful that the Brits in TRNC are not all as intent on creating misery and confusion

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 19:48

Suz: "bet you never wore a uniform did you John."



Maybe he'd like to see me in my police one. There's nothing like the familiar to make you feel at home.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 20:53

Dashing msg 66.



hear hear !!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 21:03

Dashing,



Just ignore all the bitching. There is only one legally valid and internationally recognised type of title deed in north Cyprus. Neither argues over that. If you are a sensible investor who avoids risk and have morals then that is the title to go for.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
13/11/2008 03:25

hi ginger,



there is a huge amount of advice if you go back through the postings

as regards what would suit, you must must see for yourself

while prices are still sliding lower do take as long as you need



on the risks of buying in north cyprus,

there are factors that differ from elsewhere in the med:



you may end up with only local de-facto ownership

since according to (unenforceable) international agreements

former gc owners may have some sort of theoretical claim

but they don't have permission to live there anyway,

and the turkish army will defend the north far into the future



I would not over-dramatise this since the one individual

who constantly harps-on about it

also hypes-up the chances of an early "deal" favouring the south

for which there is precious little in the way of hard evidence presently

because both "sides" present demands which are quite irreconcilable,

so how can they do a deal? beats me



and I prefer the east of cyprus, a big place



andre

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
13/11/2008 13:55

henry king

you clearly don't know anything about me ,my family or my friends.

i don't have to scare anyone. why would i?

as i have said before if you have something to say email me.

if not lets get back to the thread.

for your future reference i don't sell dog food?