house raffle in cyprus

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 17:29

coming soon...house raffle...

lovely little village house in Karsiyaka with title deeds held with estate agents soon to be raffled...

Unlike the last fiasco, this is completely legit and i will answer any and all of your questions.



The reason for this raffle is i need to return to the UK for medical purposes.

the-wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 17:48

Is Reg back?

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 17:54

daisy dukes



Coming soon where and when approx?

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 18:00

The last raffle was a good idea but as we all know there was a crook involved.

I wish you all the best with your venture and as property is not moving here it is a good idea. If you have a good bank behind you and solicitor then I can't see a problem. Is the property available for viewing as I would like a look sometime. What price are the tickets and where and when will they be available.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 18:02

not unless he's got breasts and long hair!!



This is a completely legit competition, i have a lawyer an accountant and a reputable bank, which will need a counter signature.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 18:10

I think there was more than one crook involved! They are now on the other side of the island. It has made a lot of people uneasy, so I wish you good luck.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 18:35

the tickets will be 20 quid and the comp will run for approximately 5 months.



if anyone would like to see the property i would be more than happy to allow viewings.



my number is 0533 833 1292



and i would like to thank everyone for their support in this.



Sam

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 18:37

the raffle will begin as soon as details are finalised with my solicitor...



watch this space

Chick-A-Dee


Joined: 16/06/2008
Posts: 342

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 18:38

Good luck Daisy Duke ...



Will there be an opportunity to buy tickets from the UK?

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 18:41

yes. i plan to have a website up and running as soon as possible, so anyone overseas will have an opportunity to buy a ticket



Sam

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 20:28

Hiya, sorry to hear the reason for your departure.



Will your website have photos for any potential purchasers of the tickets to view? It may be an idea, and you would get a better response in UK.



Good luck to you.

Kay

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/09/2008 21:39

daisy dukes

Although I sympathize with your situation one question begs to be asked. You have obviously decided on a figure that you would like to realize

from the raffle and if this figure is not realized then what happens to monies already receive from ticket sales?

AJ

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 09:38

Unfortunately, the last fiasco left a bad taste in many mouths, but good luck anyway. Pikey will have five, I'm sure.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 13:16

where is the reply to message 12??

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 13:26

Rocky msg 12

I spoke with the lady yesterday and she is at the hospital for a couple of days. The question you asked is the same as I asked yesterday. If the ticket sales do not reach the target price then a cash prize will be given instead. I just bought a ticket for a similar raffle in Devon, why not who knows?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 13:44

How will we know how many tickets have been purchased in the event of a 'cash prize alternative'

Secondly,who will be holding the ticket money until the draw is made?

Chick-A-Dee


Joined: 16/06/2008
Posts: 342

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 14:16

Frontalman ...



What happened in the scam you mention?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 14:41

Have a look here (click the link): http://tinyurl.com/0

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 14:43

Wrong URL, sorry.



Try this one: http://trncvillaowners.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4404&p=28815#p28815

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 19:48

Yet again the GOBSHITE Dutch Cap makes a derogatory remark. Who is going to be the next victim of this Fascist Scandlemonger. He is well and truely off my Christmas card list









ps , these personal comments are not acceptable and only tend to incite the recipient ,and they certainly do nothing to improve the recent situation we found ourselves in recently , you can put your point across without having to resort to name calling --------- moderator

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 20:04

I didn't use the word 'scam'.



The end result didn't live up to the billing, let's put it that way! There was a mix-up on the night of the draw with more than one winner being announced and the final 'winner' never got his prize due to the antics of a certain notorious ex-estate agent. The owner of the land the prize house stands on claims he is owed money (I believe), so there is a stalemate, I think. Others may know the story better than I, and be able to clarify further.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
12/09/2008 20:24

RE Mr. Vince : (...) Yet again the GOBSHITE Dutch Cap makes a derogatory remark. Who is going to be the next victim of this Fascist Scandlemonger. He is well and truely off my Christmas card list. (...)



===> "He is well and truely off my Christmas card list". - Good.



===> "Fascist Scandlemonger". Aha. Let's see if the UKturk moderator jumps in to tell you that you shouldn't have used these words. (No, you mustn't be banned. Everybody has the right to be stupid or uneducated, Mr. Vince, Sir).

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 09:55

Mr DC

You are right. Everybody does have the right to be stupid and uneducated, and I defend your right to be so.



However I do not defend your right to attack and abuse other board members. Your comments regarding Christine's involvement in a raffle were unwarented and demand an apology. It does seem to me and others that you are quick to condem and cast hurtful comments where they are not required. I can not think of many contributors to this board who have had so many calls to retract and appologise as you have recently. My views of you have not changed and I still regard you as before.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 10:01

Well, it looks like I'm corrected on every point I tried to make. My memory played tricks on me and my sources were not reliable. That leaves me only one option - when one makes an error, one should admit it: a full and complete apology to Christine.



PS. And of course the thread can be deleted if the Admins and/or Christine wish to do so. http://trncvillaowners.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4404&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 10:01

well well dutch

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 10:41

Well said Mr Vince,

This DC should be taken off both boards he rarely has a good word for anyone, just stirs things. If I was christine I would ask for an apology from this person, there was no need to bring up the past we all know the details and on the other board he has even added a picture of Christine, what right have you to do this. This new raffle seems legit and good luck to the lady, but DC just has to try and spoil things everytime. Get a life you sad sad person.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 10:48

Mr. Hans he made big mistake, on other board he apologised admitted he made mistake. He is a good man and got his facts well and truly wrong.



As often journalists do.



I feel a ptepike moment comming on !!

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 12:15

Hi everybody....



Here are some answers to some of the questions that have been posed...



First let me apologise for any late replies, i have had to go into hospital for evaluations on upcoming operations.



With regard to photos, i plan to get a website up and running with all pictures and terms and conditions, as soon as i can find a person who can build me one. if anyone knows someone who can help, i'd be very grateful.



At the moment my accountant is working out what the reserve will be, after admin, advertising and printing etc.



If the reserve is not met, then the money raised, minus costs, will be raffled instead. This will be monitored by a reputable accountant. I will be purchasing the tickets from the tax office...this means they will be serialised, and also monitored by the Tax Office.



Let me take the time to explain that last year I was the victim of a drunk driver, I sustained many serious injuries and quite frankly am very lucky to be alive. Unfortunately i am no longer able to work because standing for long periods of time is too painful, therefore there is no alternative for me, except go back to England.



I hope this answers some of your questions, but please do not hesitate to contact me for any other queries.



As for the DC, you are entitled to your oppinion, but i must say that this not a scam of any kind, i am simply trying to make best of an awful situation.



Thank you for your time

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 12:18

one other thing, the money will be held in a reputable bank, and in the event of a cash prize, a second signature of someone with authority will be needed.



thank you



Sam

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 10:08

back to the house, which title deed is it on?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 11:01

Dutch Crusader.



It is nice to see that I was not the only person to be subjected to a vicious and wholly

unwarranted attack, by this most unpleasant of characters.



Certainly does not help in making this board a pleasant place to post!



Good luck with the house raffle daisy dukes, and may your health improve.



wyn

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 12:02

All this fuss just goes to show " the road to hell is paved with good intentions"



The very best of luck with your vaillient endevours daisy dukes.

wireless


Joined: 10/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 01:53

Personally I think a house raffle is a little odd to say the least - if you want to sell the house why not



a) simply ask for closed bids

b) put it into an auction

c) place it with an agent

d) advertise is personally



there are so many ways to sell and both a) and b) are fast and secure for both you and any potential buyers - please note a 'buyer' may not event have permision to purchase anyway! a raffle is always rightfully going to raise suspicions of 'scam' or some sort of 'con' - why? Simply because there are so many ways for less honest than you to create a scam from a 'raffle' situation.



I wish you luck but will probably not buy a ticket for the above reasons!

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 09:37

Wynyardman



Couldn`t agree more. Could go further, but is it worth it?

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 10:26

Wireless

Spoke with the lady at the house on Saturday.

The 1st two suggestions would not work as she needs too reach a target and if people are not prepared to spend here at the moment, what would be the point.

The last two suggestions she said have been in place for months and this is the reason for the raffle idea.

I agree with you Penelopie.p worth a gamble. If people don't want too buy a ticket thats fair but why put other people off. I wonder how many that commented have been to a casino or the races and lost more than £20?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 12:51

Mr Vince: "However I do not defend your right to attack and abuse other board members. Your comments regarding Christine's involvement in a raffle were unwarented and demand an apology."



If someone has the good sense to point out the well-meaning efforts of members of the "nice but dim

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 12:53

Try again...



Mr Vince: "However I do not defend your right to attack and abuse other board members. Your comments regarding Christine's involvement in a raffle were unwarented and demand an apology."



If someone points out out the well-meaning efforts of members of the "nice but dim" can have consequences by association, it does not warrant a foul-mouthed attack from you.

pussycatuk


Joined: 26/11/2007
Posts: 315

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 11:56

have these tickets been on sale yet and is the website sorted so we may see the house?

Elliecy


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 15:24

I agree with wireless, but its obviously up to the people involved. As they say - you pay your money and you take your chances!

Laptalocal


Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 16:31

Will a copy of the kocan/contract etc be available for viewing/checking before people hand over their hard earned?

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 16:35

f f s do you ask to see the kitchen in a resteraunt before eating ?



Lay off them they are trying their best ...............



some people want to know the ins and outs of a wet Fart with NO GENUINE INTERST exept muckraking.



In my humble opinion.

Laptalocal


Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 17:48

Well, I'm sure you'll be the first to hand over your money Nige.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 17:50

Well put it this way I am normally the first to bid on the v/o sos funds I have done and do my bit and if its a good cause ( as this one seems ) I will stand my corner.



Just what is your claim to fame .

ive@karsiyaka



Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 169

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 18:04

Hi please send details to my e-mail address as soon as you are ready to launch tickets whiteivan8@aol.com



Regards Ivan

Rogerd


Joined: 23/09/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 18:35

hello all, im new to this (and trnc) but hope you will not mind me sharing a story. we had a similar thing in spain a good few year back. a young lady was apparently ill and decided to raffle her apartment so that she could return to south africa i think it was. tickets were not much but events were held to increase sales and a good few sold. we were then told that their had not been enough sales and that the reserve was not met, so they would just raffle the remaining money. however after very high fees from the estate agent and co, there was very little money left. some did not mind as they thought it was still a good return but some complained and shortly after the girl disappeared along with the estate agent and the money. also turned out the girl never owned the partment. it was on short-term rent from the estate agent and they were a couple. the apartment was owned by a couple in ireland who never even knew about it. im sure its not the same thing as this, but always wise to ask questions i think, even if it is just you 20 pound.

Laptalocal


Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 18:54

Didnt realise you needed a claim to fame in order to have an opinion or post a comment?!

However fyi, I have contributed to many things since I've been here. Mainly to KAR, but I also contributed at a local pub towards a new watch for someone whose watch was broken in an accident.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 19:04

as did I .



I just love a good cause.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 19:35

Nige,



If thats the case, mines a pint of Efes!!



wyn

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 20:03

i agree with wireless.

what is wrong with closed bids? closed bids work well in the uk!



basilbrush what your saying is? that the lady of the house needs to raise more than its worth on the open market? in a closed bid situation.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 20:34

hi roqerd , welcome to the forum , not too sure about your name , but that could be just my smutty mind , i apologise if it is, look forward to your posts

regards , simbas

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 20:41

Only two more to leapfrog Simbas ... why not post something with some content along the way?

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 20:58

As far as I can see this raffle is not in aid of anything other than somebody's pocket... This is my own personal opinion... I won't be buying a ticket so I;m not likely to lose anything.



I note that scams based on property raffles that fade into the mist have been rife throughout the Med for years....



If the poster can provide credentials and testimony as to their good name statement of "fact" then fine but until that day I would be very wary of this offer....



At lowest I think the deeds should be verfified and held in Escrow.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 21:16

Groucho whose others personal opinions are other than their own

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 15:29

Hello folks....



Wow it seems i have stirred up a real hornets nest, and this bothers me considerably, so i will once again explain the reasons etc for this raffle.



As some of you know i was the victim of a drunk driver last year, and this has left me with mounting hospital bills and care which i can no longer afford as im unable to work. I have had my house on the market since January but as yet no offers have been made. Time has now come for a more inspired way of selling up...hence the raffle.

The tickets will be 20 pound

the reserve will be approx 70,000

if the reserve isn't met, the remaining money after tax and admin costs and agreed amount for a charity will be offered as a cash prize.

The raffle will be closely monitored by the Tax Office and the appointed solicitor of the chosen charity...even if i wanted to run off with the money, it would just not be possible.

I agree with some of your valid worries, ie lining my own pocket...yes i am, but quite simply because i really have no choice but to leave but all my money is tied into the house...i cant even afford to put it on Ebay at the moment!!

I personally oversaw the complete renovation of my house and love it dearly, and it pains me deeply to let it go.



Believe it or not, to actually set this up is incredibly difficult due to the new laws that are in place to stop any scams. This is why the tickets are not as yet available, but as soon as i can i will put up a notice saying where and how the tickets can be bought.



If by any chance anyone would like to talk to me personally about this, you may call me on 0533 833 1292

and i will be more than happy to talk to you about this and even invite you to come and see the house...i do have 2 loopy dogs so it's best to call before coming around as they may lick you to death.



DD

johnty


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 16:42

Instead of raffling your house why dont you publish details of an auction this may help you sell your house a lot quicker. If you dont reach the fiqure you have in mind you dont have to sell it. But given the property situation if someone come close then you may consider letting it go just to get out of the trnc.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 17:11

ouch , whats the matter with you grouchy ?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 17:47

"Believe it or not, to actually set this up is incredibly difficult due to the new laws that are in place to stop any scams. "



What new laws? Elko so you know of any such new laws? It seems a bit odd that stringent laws are suddenly available here to cover this situation when the extant Specific Performance Law means that no contract can be enforced adequately.



There are no solicitors in the TRNC and it is the laws of the TRNC that prevail here... so I'm somewhat at a loss to understand how what you say is any sort of guarantee regarding the raffling of a property here....



It's not a hornets nest... but I am naturally curious about the path you have chosen to realise the value of your property when there are numerous well tried and trusted methods (like auction) that are more suitable and transparent....

johnboy


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 18:33

Daisy,



Just my ten penny worth......



This place is full of lots and lots of negative people....



If you have a £70,000 reserve and the tickets are £20 a go - that's 3,500 tickets...



for some (myself included) - a £20 punt for a £70,000 house may be worth the gamble, but i doubt if you will sell anywhere near what you need to achieve.



Surely the way forward is to approach a few agents and offer them higher comission (say 10%) to get the place sold, and possibly a "bung" for the person who actually sells it.



Good luck !





John

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 21:33

John,



I'm not negative I'm positive, positive this is a bad way to proceed... how did Daisy come up with the idea? Who on earth told her this is the way to do it... not a lawyer I hope!



How many successful raffles of houses that have recouped the sort of sum Daisy wants has she or anybody else heard of.... in contrast how many Southsea Bubbles have we all heard about....



If somebody donates a house to raffle for a charity it's one thing... but to use it as an alternative sales route for an individual who's major asset it probably is, is to say the least, questionable....



I'm still waiting to hear what these stringent new laws regarding scams and raffles in the TRNC are.....

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
07/10/2008 20:32

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7655707.stm



Quote...



Raffles frequently fall short of the asking price on more expensive properties leaving a tricky question of what to do with the ticket revenue. One tactic is for vendors to offer the cash taken as a prize, less the costs they have incurred in selling the tickets. Of course, these unaudited costs can be high, as much as 25-35% of the money taken and this outcome can leave ticket buyers feeling as if they have been cheated.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/10/2008 10:35

daisy duke

please could you tell us which solicitor you are using to sell this house in a raffle?

also which title deed it is on?

is the kochan in your name?

thanks.

Rogerd


Joined: 23/09/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
09/10/2008 22:12

hi simbas, thanks for the welcome. No, not being smutty, just my name..

have been away but interested to see this still being debated.

fire starter, i think someone earlier got told off for aksing those questions (altho sensible in my view).

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
09/10/2008 22:48

A little advise if you sell any raffle tickets they must all be numbered and vat registered therefore you will have to pay TAX on the money you take. The oganisation I do voluntary work found this out only recently. This is NC

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
21/11/2009 08:52

DD

As I know know you thought I would bring this back to the top, as I know you are seriously still trying to sell your property. You might want to consider this again!

Chris