The very latest on the Cyprus issue

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 19:49

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/cna/2011/11-01-21_1.cna.html



Please have a browse,could things be moving to a conclusion,

Paul.

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 19:57

paul

where does it say that ?



its just the same old GC propaganda crap ....even in the finish president bit it says about turkish invasion



nah mate not for me



kav

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 19:59

Kav,



It doesnt mate,just reading between the lines,

Paul.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 20:05

Paul - too many lines over here for anyone to read between

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 20:07

Geneva will be the last chance saloon,maybe,lol,

Paul.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 20:09

Scoty,



Know what you mean matey,

Paul.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 23:29

Same words over and over again, and never a conclusion. Does Downer and does anyone really think that 35 years of haggling will come to a conclusion just because they have gone to Geneva! Intransigence is the only word that has ever mattered - and that does NOT solve problems. Hope I ma proved wrong!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 01:12

paul, I think they both now know, whoever is advising them also knows. Its now all or nothing xxxx

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
22/01/2011 01:41

It will be nothing. As she goes till either recognition or 68th Province of Turkey.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 15:21

I reckon after the wednesday meeting,there will be one more in March.Then a decision will be made,

Paul.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 15:48

"Then a decision will be made,"

By whom?

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 16:07

trnc vaugn message 11:



"by whom?" good point, perhaps by that well-known international statesperson N. Default



and probabably not by the Chinese general now in command of UN Cyprus peacekeepers:

but it would still be interesting to hear from Chao Liu on the 1950 peacekeeping operation

...when China invaded Tibet

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 18:05

Turkey,i would imagine,

Grey.

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 18:31

Th talks will be deferred until the Autumn and then both side must get together otherwise...........The talks will resume just after the new year, 2012.

What would this board do without The Talks?

Michael

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 19:17

CJ,



Is your message 14 a tongue in cheek post,or based on facts.If its the latter where have you obtained your

information.You say "what would this board do without the talks" As the talks concern Cyprus,and this is a

Cyprus forum,then i for one find posts regarding the talks very relevant indeed,

Grey.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 19:29

``the two leaders met for an hour-and-a-half or so today and had a bit of a discussion over coffee before the meeting and then, during the meeting, both sides made comments on governance and power sharing, and EU matters, about each other`s different proposals``, adding that ``there was an exchange of views on that.``.



Really sums it up 'and had a bit of a discussion over coffee..' So pleased the leaders are really going for a settlement...

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 19:51

Hector,



I thought the talks were on the 26th,

Grey.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 21:56

greylag message 15



perhaps cjtill's message is a bit facetious,

but I have seen nothing for many years to suggest the sides are anywhere close

...to an agreement on the vital issues of security and property



one must ask ourselves what all the kefuffle is about



to discuss this with any locals, I virtually have to stop them virtually falling asleep



andre

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 22:17

in geneva the greek side will get what it wants - more talks and the " status quo " remaining as it has for donkeys ages .



why would they want this ? simple , the north remains in limbo with all its embargoes and UN resolutions and all the rest and the south carrys on in all its glory ( not ) .



better stay like this than give in and let the north boom i can hear them say !



andy

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 22:36

andy-f



you hear this a lot:

that both sides want the status quo and so on and so forth



in reality this is always a second best:

the trnc side cherishes its independent administration

er... protected by you know who, a somewhat mixed blessing

while the south wants a right of return,

this being only practical with an expanded g c area of control



since my second paragraph cannot possibly happen all together

in an agreed compromise that anyone would actually honour

...then both the greek cypriots and cypturks

will stay in their respective comfort zone for better or worse



why so many on cyprus 44 still persist in seeing things

in a more meltingly plastic form, still continues to astound me



then again the very latest cosmological theory that the universe

consists of two dimensional halographic images that project

out from the edge to where we "think we are" sounds bonkers



but less so than the drivel served up in lieu of any cyprus deal

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 22:49

I just want to pass on a comment I heard on the Cypriot Turkish radio here in the UK about the discussions going on for so long. The interviewer asked the correspondent as to why this might be an intended action. The correspondent replied: " Well, you know how it is, you push the train from side to side and the passengers think it's moving!"

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 23:20

Does Cyprus have a railway system then ?

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 00:31

Used to have!

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 01:02

brother,



there is a good reason a talks process appears to be taking place

which is the latest in a long line dating back to the 1950's:

to placate outside agencies and foreign states..



who have memberships on offer, eg nato and eu, contracts to bestow,

convergency funds to dispense and great if unrealistic expectations



...with apologies to the estate of charles dickens

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 01:09

As my old grandad used to say "Actions speak louder than words" until we see action then this joke of a merry go round will keep spinning until we all fall off or die. I feel sorry for my kids who are aged 6 and 8 as they may still be asking the same questions when they are adults

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 10:17

message 15.....I know nothing more than the next man, I am just giving my opinion about a subject that will run and run (and run).

What I have heard though, from a high level source is that the next round of talks will be held in either Paris or Milan, so the negotiators can take their families (including cousins) along for a bit of retail therapy.

Michael

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 11:07

Please god no,not another expenses fiasco,

Paul.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 11:24

The mind simply boggles at the cost to the average taxpayer, either North or South, of the costs incurred by the respective sides' 'entourages' - and all the other 'hangers-on' that accompany them on these fruitless and pointless, never-ending escapades!



Totted up over the last 40, or so, years, I bet the island could have installed a usefully functioning railway system for the money that has been simply frittered away. If one takes into account the South's expenditure on hopeless military expenditure - especially the S300 Russian missile fiasco - one can only be flabbergasted that they qualify for even one cent of EU funding.



There must be a whole pack of clueless drongos in Bruxelles - or, perhaps, clued up enough to be aware that they can line their own pockets handsomely by approving these 'loans'!

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 11:34

http://www.google.co.uk/url?url= http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php%3Fid%3D68920&rct=j&sa=X&ei=k5Y-TZP7N8SwhQf65YnoCg&ved=0CCoQ-AsoATAA&q=northern+cyprus+news&usg=AFQjCNHQ4uC_X8cC5GSe-MODdOFgPVbrHQ





Lets see what comes out in the wash,

Paul.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 11:37

http://todayszaman.com/news-233111-turkish-cypriot-president-expects-geneva-meeting-to-yield-result.html



Maybe a double wash,

Paul.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 11:47

And a lot of SPIN!!!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 12:39

Eroglu is right about there being a result - that result will inevitably amount to two thirds of 'F^ck All'!

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 13:03

Or 33% of Cyprus Tenak,legally in the eyes of the rest of the world,

Paul.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 13:43

tenakoutou message 28:



the "s300 russian missile fiasco"...

had they been able to keep their toy on the island

the south would have fielded a system perfectly capable of knocking out the turkish airforce



as regards the supplying country, dear to the heart of their president who studied there...

russia has its own pedigree of "peacekeeping operations"

eg., the interventions in afghanistan, chechnya, abkhazia, south ossetia and transdeniestria



far better to stick with the eu where no means yes and yes means moving the goalposts

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 15:06

http://famagusta-gazette.com/cyprus-peace-to-be-based-on-belgium-p11167-69.htm



How would this affect Brits with property,

Paul.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 15:24

Don't worry about what Eroglu says, he will say something different tomorrow. He can't use race to separate the states so he is using language. At least, Languagism is not illegal in the EU as yet. The old wily fox has a few more aces up his sleeve yet.

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 16:43

Re Msg 35 (newlad): As someone who would love to have every Cypiot living in harmony just like in my childhood days I'm also a realist.



I can't see how this language based solution would work.

The hatred is too strong. Unless the way people think changes there will be no peace regardless of what the politicians agree.

ulker


Joined: 25/01/2011
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 18:09

No reason why people cannot learn two languages from a young age. As for race, It has been very well publicised in Kıbrıs paper lately, that racism is very strong in South Cyprus. Has the EU laws really stopped racism in Europe?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 18:13

well this government cant pay the 13th wage and here they go swanning off again. Airmiles must have a field day with this lot spending their euros. x

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 18:19

As a matter of interest, are there forums such as this for Cypriots to discuss these issues? I'm just wondering whether the locals bother to debate it.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 18:37

Of course there is but it is run by a Greek Cypriot fascist and unless you are one of them, there is no point trying to debate, they lost the ability to listen to reason some time ago.

greylag


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Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 19:27

They (Gcs) had their chance in 2004,and bottled it,

Paul.

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
25/01/2011 19:44

The outcome of the talks doesn't matter in the slightest - it is the result of the 2 subsequent referenda that counts.

Personally I don't think it is possible to propose any solution that will be acceptable to both halves of the island; nor do I think either governments' team believes it is possible. The purpose of the negotiations is make sure the opposing side votes against the proposed solution in a referendum so the other side can say "See - they don't want peace".