North Cyprus article on The Sun

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 10:24

Nice article on NC this morning



http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/travel/article1683040.ece

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 10:39

Yes all good wackyjim,can only help tourism.



Cooper

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 10:44

1.35 ytl to the £ ?? unspoit views of the coast ??



All in all a good plug for trnc I wonder did riverside pay for the advert ?

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 11:45

i agree guys its a good article,its good to get great feed back from a well known paper, about time.



jay76

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 11:52

Nice article,

Hope it brings more tourists in ?

JamesB


Joined: 07/02/2007
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 12:17

Very positive

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 12:28

Great stuff Jim.And not one mention of the turkish invasion,

Paul.

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 12:38

Paul



Thats what struck me as well!!



Makes a change

daisy


Joined: 22/09/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 13:14

why did they spell it cyprush

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 14:16

Rush to Cyprus i think,

Paul.

JamesB


Joined: 07/02/2007
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 15:45

hi Paul you ok.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 15:55

Pretty good mate.How are you.

maurice



Joined: 13/09/2008
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 16:30

I read it as 2.35 YTL

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 17:35

maurice



Well spotted, so did I ...................lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 18:38

hi all, when did the Sun ever print any thing that was acurate.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 19:21

Coachie,

Maybe today lol

JamesB


Joined: 07/02/2007
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 21:49

Good thanks, Saints for the GF do you think?

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
13/09/2008 22:48

very positive article...



and don't underestimate the "sun":

they recently sent readers to see "don giovanni"

at the royal opera house...

but the sun's new-found cultural image took a knock

afterwards, when they got one of the opera singers

to do her turn on page three



'course if you are that way inclined,

there are loads and loads of quiet beaches

far to the east of kyrenia and bogaz



andre

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 09:12

I thought i would share this article................



http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19824&highlight=sun



do not click the link if you are of a sensative disposition or are easily offended.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 09:35

Nice to see that the GCs recognize the Lapta strip hotels as being under proper TC ownership...



http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index.php?cid=1029&module=page

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 11:50

Who has rightful ownership of " The Ells Bells" hotel ?



Msg 21:- Usual garbage. awaiting other half of double act to reply.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 11:51

Good on the Sun. They've always been spot on about Cyprus:





http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19745

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 12:10

Unlike you then.



At least the Sun on numerous occasions has apologised for its lies and muck raking.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 12:13

Some harrowing interviews with victims of the "Peace Operation" eh Tigsybaby?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 13:16

"The villagers are from Trimithi, Karmi and Ayios Georhios, three farming communities west of the holiday town of Kyrenia, directly in the path of the Turkish Army."



The towns where the killings torturing and rapes took place are now known respectively as Edremit, Karaman and Karaoglanoglu. Popular among expats for buying property with "exchange" titles. Exchanged in return for their owners' lives, perhaps?

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 14:59

pikey boy,i think a bit of research before the turkish intevention is something you really need to consider,oh and pikey boy you still hav'nt changed that record.gosh your so right about everything your the best pikey.



jay76

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 15:42

New Lad..msg16..Ihope you are right.Idid read both articles and they sound very good,but as far as THE SUN is concerned I tend to ignore 50% of what they say and the other 50% I have great reservations about,but maybe on this occasion I could be wrong .Only time will tell.....

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 16:01

jay75



Like me, you also are a member of the P.P.fan club. He is like a stuck record.



He/she certainly knows it all....his head will explode one day with all the usefull tat that is inside it.



Dedicated today as.........."Bait a Pike Day"

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 17:09

Lambousa Gordon MSG 20 you link to an article which part of it says,



" The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus conveys a strong warning message to foreign citizens who wish to travel to the occupied part of Cyprus, that staying in the listed Greek Cypriot owned hotels or in hotels which have been built on Greek Cypriot property without the consent of the owners, is illegal and contributes and/or assists in the illegal exploitation/usurpation of Greek Cypriot properties contrary to domestic and/or International Law. Such foreign citizens are, therefore, advised to seek accommodation in hotels and other establishments lawfully owned by Turkish Cypriots."



Does this also apply to people flying to Larnaca Airport and staying in the south as the same principal applies as the airport is Turkish Cypriot owned ?

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 17:29

Pikey being a spoilsport as usual, can't take being on the losing side, eh Pikey?

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 18:01

Hello Mark,



Take a rod and see if we can catch a Pike!



He may well be in the closet at the mo trying to sort out an outfit for his/her Susanne session on the forum later this evening. The size 12 sling backs he/she has are a little tight and that is what makes Pikeybaby a little irritable.



Bless em.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 18:06

To late....mess 32. He got changed quicker than I could type!



Ok know it all....Im wide awake. People have also woken up to you and your split personality. cant Pikey look after himself !!!!!h

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 18:07

Susanne

You say not all Larnaca Airport is TC owned, I dispute that but if and i stress if you are correct there is still an issue................will you not concede this point

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 18:14

Susanne

So has every other issue but it doesn't stop you regurgitating it up at every opportunity............................. answer the question.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 18:18

susanne



I know you aint no pikey but give me a clue ??



I am intrigued.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 18:19

Oops!



Sorry Susapike, Where were we....The Sun....yeah, a facanating read. Do you do the Bingo?



msg 32....you seemed to have lost the thread.



Glad we are getting on better now....no where near good enough just yet to start asking me out for a date off line.



LOL XXXX

Littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 18:58

your true identity

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 19:00

Don't hold your breath nige ?

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 19:01

Could we have a photo with you smiling please ?

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 20:03

i am who i say am i ??????

Obviously a Sun Reader then, wasn,t it a great and positive article on Northern Cyprus as in message no. 1.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 21:01

Yes Hattikins. Can we please have many more! Makes people feel better!



wyn

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 22:29

susanne,



I think a few people have discovered some unpleasant truths about the 1974 "Peace Operation" from their favourite newspaper.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 22:41

Pikey,

There are always two sides to every story.Atrocities will have been commited by both sides.Anyone who doesnt believe that is burying their head in the sand,

Best Regards,

Paul.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
14/09/2008 22:49

James B,

Message 17 sorry mate Leeds for me got 9/4 the other week,

Paul.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 00:05

hi

yes it was a nice piece makes a change from all the top news stories they publish!!!! lol

and like pike said of course they know their stuff on cyprus yeah right!!!!

lets see what the bbc had to say about it all not just 74

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/10/newsid_4216000/4216931.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/12/newsid_2745000/2745245.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1763984.stm



and even gc's fighting among themselves once again in london

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/21/newsid_2515000/2515761.stm



so like paul said their are many sides to a story and who publishes it



as usual a nice lil postive piece on north cyprus gets twisted

ukturk

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 01:30

penelopie,



don't think there will be a mad rush

despite a few fatuous claims to the contrary,

the two sides are still very far apart indeed

and there is not yet any viable deal in sight



also, and I hope not to be shot down in flames

for whinging and upsetting musin,

but due the present dire economic situation

things seem very quiet,

lots of deserted beaches way out east of town

when we were on the island a couple of weeks ago



so you may be spared

the watneys red barrel brigade for now



andre

wireless


Joined: 10/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 01:38

it's in the sun so it's got to be true

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 12:35

Susanne

If all GC,s have the same attitude as you then there will never be a settlement, obviously you think the TC,s are inferior and should just bow down to their betters.

What do you think should happen, or more to the point what do you think should happen to the TC,s as obviously the GC,s want what they had, plus what they were given, plus compensation, where do the Turkish Cypriots fit in all of this.

And as in message 50, do you accept that there were atrocities on both sides.

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 12:51

Hattikins



Its fairly obvious that certain posters on this site have no sympathy whatsoever with any of the TC's losses and sufferings over the years despite the vast majority of members here accepting that miscarriages of justice were inflicted to both sides .



Therefore you are unlikely to get a positive response to your question I'm afraid

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 15:43

sue

you say you never have blamed tc's but you have blamed previous leaders of the north for not bowing down to the south and if you care so much about turkish cypriots how come you have never said that these embargos and bans placed on the t.c's is inhumaine??



again you are condriticting yourself you say there is good and bad in WAR so your defenition of intervention (invasion) is one of the outcomes of WAR which you have stated so why complain about it!!!

you say you like the articles what do you like about it that markarios was deported from cyprus by the brits cos he was accused of terrorisim against turks and brits or the fact they mentioned greek cypriots backed by greece and inspired by them tried a coup against t.c's



you seem to forget one big thing you say you blame turkey for cyprus's problem and hold nothing against t.c's, well you should not because turkish cypriots did not attempt any coup on the greek cypriots and was only forced by the british to police the problems when the greek cypriots were protesting against the brits and enois started!!!! NOW can you honestly say that greek cypriots did not harm any turkish cypriots when they first started these problems i bet you cant answer me that!!! now can you understand why turkish cypriots are dubious of the greek cypriots you are looking somewhere else at the problem and us turks are looking at the real problem

ukturk

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 17:25

LOL



So thousands of us have stayed in 'illegal' Hotels!!





Who exactly is going to sue us??





Laughable rubbish!





rob

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 18:08

UKturk

When the facts stack up no credible reply is forth coming ?

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 19:33

More than likely gone to change in to her/his Pike outfit. Won't be long till the venom is back.



In all the posts these two have put out, I doubt if one person on this forum has changed views. If they were TC's on a GC forum then death threats and all other Shi:te would have been hurled at them. I have seen the hate filled messages on the GC forums and one boy are they one sided, TC people are not even considered to have any human rights.



The TC's have shown great tolerance and long may it last.



that is why this 44 forum is the best and in the main the most tolerant.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 19:40

susanne



LOL



" & i hope it will be fair for both sides, espescially the land on the north which has been sold & built on illegally!!! "







Nice to see you are so unbiassed!!





What's the female equivalent of plonker?





rob

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 19:46

Plonkette?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:13

Turtle: "UKturk When the facts stack up no credible reply is forth coming ?"



I think Ukturk is perfectly aware of the facts and equally capable of credible replies. It's just that he prefers the Turkish nationalist version of events - which is in fact out of step with the conciliatory approach of the Turkish Cypriot leadership.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:20

Hattikins: "And as in message 50, do you accept that there were atrocities on both sides."



Any intelligent observer knows there were atrocities on both sides. What some people need to know is the holiday home they are occupying came at the expense of atrocities on a horrendous scale which were rightly condemned by the international community. Most decent people don't like having blood on their hands.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:43

Pike, the Holiday homes you refer to were built many many years after the Turkish Army stepped in to protect the Turkish Cypriots from certain death.

Without some protection the GC,s would have the control of the total island..........and thats not on is it.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:50

a small advert appears in the sun regarding holidays in the kktc and immediately a list of hotels appear telling everyone that they are breaking the law becouse most hotels are on greek soil .

we have one g/c telling us ,when we ask who started the conflict that we should put the past behind us ,and then you get another g/c pulling up a newspaper front page from 34 years ago stating the turks are barbarians.

this is all over a advert,does anyone really believe the g/cs want reunification

we have already offered the handshake of peace in 2004 and they refused it

and yes some of you guys have already worked it out the g/cs believe that they are above the turkish ,boy are they in for a rude awakening.

musin

long live the kktc

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 21:24

Make you right pikey boy good job the intevention took place,and when you do your research dont be afraid to type in dates before the intervention took place,seems to me you feel it was wrong for the turkish to put a stop to it,shame on you,i would of thought you being a voluntary special would of had a bit more common.



Pikey boy for prime minister.



jay76

NOBLE


Joined: 11/08/2008
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 21:26

Unfortuanately it is a fact of life that GCs see the TCs as inferior beings. This has been the case since the 1950s. The propaganda machine means it will probably take another generation until they see us TCs as humans of equal worth. Iwould love to have seen their faces when they crossed over for the first time after border the opened (rumour has it they were taught that our side was full of shanty disease ridden houses). However, being a UK TC, maybe I am wrong!

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 21:31

Pikey,

What outcome would you like from a personal point of view from the cyprus talks,

Regards,

Paul.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 21:37

Paul I already asked him this question but as usual side stepped a credible answer.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 21:41

newlad msg 72,



From a personal point of view it doesn't affect me whether the island remains divided or not. I'll still have a place in the north either way. What I would like to see for the Cypriots is reinstatement or proper compensation for all people who lost their properties between 1963 and 1974. A truth and reconciliation committee should be considered to help ease the pain of the atrocities committed during this period. I back the bizonal, bicommunal, single citizenship federation model with rotating presidencies and two constituent states which run their own day-to-day affairs. There's a lot more but I'd be here all night.



What outcome would you like to see?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 21:59

Pikey,

You will never make a politician giving straight answers like that lol.I will go along with you on the bi-zonal bi-communal thingey me bob.But most of all i would like a solution that is fair for both sides.As an outsider looking in i try to keep an open mind and dodge the mud slinging and propaganda that goes on.In fact until a couple of years ago i didnt even know that there was a northern Cyprus and i dont mind saying that i am ashamed of this.



Time to shelve the guns,reduce the troops,and eventually remove them all together.Get the people from both sides together when they are kids and before there minds are corrupted with "he killed him and they did that".Instead of arguing,back biting and fighting lets discuss issues.



Being an outsider i dont really feel qualified enough to form as strong an opinion as someone who has seen the troubles first hand.And can only really compare it to the siuation that existed in Ireland.A situation that i do have first hand knowledge of.From a strictly personal point of view i suppose that i would just like the people of the north to have a fair crack of the whip for once.Sorry for banging on,

Best Regards,

Paul.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 23:32

susanne

i think you read nobles post incorrectly , you have made your own assumptions about our properties .

in actual fact the greeks got depressed after coming over at the fact that so many new properties had been build ,they for some unknown reason thought

it would be as they left it ,they came to look for their houses and land ,however they recognised hardly anything ,odd .



musin

long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 23:46

Musin Msg 77,



Every cloud has a silver lining. At least the GC refugees who find a villa built on their property may well end up with the option of having it demolished or just taking the keys from the occupier within.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 23:48

msg 78





ha ,ha





musin

long live the kktc

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 23:58

I was in Paphos last summer and was amazed how much building work had been completed.

I had not been there for about 5 years and did not recognise the place, was all the land GC land or was this exchange land also ??

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 02:08

Turtle,



Did you visit the somewhat large Turkish quarter of Paphos? If so tell us what condition the houses were in, who was living in them and whether any were for sale. And while you're at it, what was the mosque like? Had it been desecrated?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 02:17

Jay76: "Make you right pikey boy good job the intevention took place,and when you do your research dont be afraid to type in dates before the intervention took place. Pikey boy for prime minister."



You seem to have gained in confidence given your first post here a few days ago was:



"hi all can anyone tell me if exchange deeds are safe as im currently having contracts drawn up on a resale, many thanks jay"



I take it you've met some Turkish bloke in a pub and now know all you need to know i.e. Cypriots were ethnically cleansed and their properties are now going very cheap - because people with principles and money won't touch them.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 11:03

Pike perhaps you would care to enlighten me ?

What post 81 has to do with post 80 I am not sure, but maybe its me!

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 12:11

pikey boy its called researching both sides of the story properly,you must of had a bad experience what could explain the reasons for your bitterness towards many peoples queries and advice on this forum,and i noticed that the query i had was one that a very highly ranked voluntary special could not answer,and that confidence thing is something that you can be gained pretty easy in some cases especially when you read the rubbish that you try to dictate.



pikey boy for prime minister.



jay76

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 12:20

Pikey as you are an outsider and being from the land of the Thistle. Do you not think that you are getting too involved in other peoples affairs. Nice to make the odd comment and get a reply to debate, but you seem to put the TC's down at every turn and for the life of me I can not undersatand why you have a place in the North of the Island. In the short period you have been a member you have over 1000 posts and I would say 99.9% are on the Island issue. You are banging your head against the wall. Pity you do not get involved in other items on the board and be more constructive and possibily helpful.



I suppose by 2000 we will see little or no change at all. Go on give it a try.

kiwikid


Joined: 18/08/2008
Posts: 496

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 12:45

My closest friend is a TC her and her family came from Paphos, now this is not hear say it came striaght from her father, told to me. He OWNS 40% of Paphos Airport and still has the deeds ( He did not hand them in for points) after the boarder open he applied for compensation for land he had lost, he is realistic and realised it could not be returned. He was told last year that as he lives in the north he can not get compensation unless he moved to the"RoC" and was there for one year, only then would there be a CHANCE of compensation. Fair?? I don't think so as this man is in his 80's

His sister also had land in the center of Paphos, about ten years ago a GC lawyer contacted her from London and asked if she would sell her land to a developer, she said no! When the boarder opened her and her daughter took a drive to Paphos and supprise there is a huge hotel on her land. Now These people and the RoC govt knew who this land belonged to and still gave building permission for this hotel. To date no compensation has been paid.

As for the state of Mosques in the south, I will admit I have not seen many but if you want to see to the "respect" some are given take a trip to Curium beach its an eye sore surranded in rubbish, broken windows and fenced in with rusty barbwire.

Now susanne we all know that these thing happened to the GC, but please stop making out that it was only them, there are many more stories from many others living on both sides and until the GC's can admit this there will never be a solutions. Stop the blame game.

Angela

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 21:06

Pike has admitted, and knows very well, of terrible atrocities on T.C villages

prior to landing of Turkish army. Whole villages were murdered, including

small children and babies. This is authenticated by U.N. witnesses of the graves.

Noble: I agree with you. Unfortunately the G.C.s do, mostly, look down on

the T.C.s, which was part of the problem in the first case, as independent

eye witnesses at the time (who are old enough to know first hand) will verify.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 22:02

no susanne

the greek cypriots have always looked down on us turkish cypriots ,you even told the turkish they had to learn greek at school ,why do you think all the older generation speak greek how many greeks do you hear speaking turkish.

but thats in the past ,lets look to the future.



long live the kktc

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 23:20

musin

its not just greeks not speaking turkish in cyprus, you only have to look around most of the greek islands rhodes - lesbos - kos and crete most of the population know turkish they dont speak it because the governments dont reconise the language for their islands

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 23:38

Suzanne,



Don"t talk piffle. Greeks holding the moral high ground??



I was always taught, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. I am watching the peace talks(wishful thinking) with bated breath.



Remember Suzanne......If you can stand to hear the words you've spoken, twisted by knaves



to make a trap for fools!!



Take care Suzanne,



wyn

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 23:40

Population exchanges in this region have been going on for over a century, here is the reference to one example.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_of_Greek_and_Turkish_Populations



Lem

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 23:51

Turtle: Pike perhaps you would care to enlighten me ? What post 81 has to do with post 80 I am not sure, but maybe its me!"



If you have another look at my post you'll see that I refer to the Turkish quarter of Paphos. This is an established part of the town where most of the TC population lived until 1974-75 (and some still do). It was just to let you know about something you probably didn't know about. The second part about the condition of the area was to contrast with what has been done to GC property in the north. Your post about exchange land was too vague as you didn't give any location to establish ownership. Land is owned by both communities.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 23:55

susanne: "i just hope it`s a fair solution for people on both sides who have lost there propertys & land, & that those who conducted in illegal sales etc get there comupence! greed is not a nice thing!"



Right on!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:01

Phylray: "Pike has admitted, and knows very well, of terrible atrocities on T.C villages prior to landing of Turkish army. Whole villages were murdered, including small children and babies."



Don't you mean the UN-witnessed atrocities committed at three villages in Famagusta district? This happened AFTER the Turkish invasion, not before, which changes what you are saying.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:03

Pte Pike,



Its better to pay your way, than spend your time on a freebie from the state, "at Her Majestys Pleasure".



wyn

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:07

LEM,



Interesting reference. It shows Turkey's record for human rights abuses goes back some time:



"Due to punitive measures carried out by the Republic of Turkey, such as the 1932 parliamentary law which barred Greek citizens in Turkey from a series of 30 trades and professions from tailor and carpenter to medicine, law, and real estate,[2] the Greek population of Istanbul began to decline, as evidenced by demographic statistics. The Varlık Vergisi capital gains tax imposed in 1942 on wealthy non-Muslims in Turkey also served to reduce the economic potential of ethnic Greek businesspeople in Turkey. Furthermore, violent incidents as the Istanbul Pogrom (1955) directed against the ethnic Greek community greatly accelerated emigration of Greeks, reducing the 200,000-strong Greek minority in 1924 to just over 5,000 in 2005[3] ."

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:18

Hi All,



wackyjims posting ...... Congratulations to The Sun about the benefits of The TRNC made a very refreshing change. Lets us all try and encourage more positive articles, in the future.



wyn

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:20

Wyn



Thats what I thought....no political motives just highlighting what a beautiful place NC is, simple as that!!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:21

I concur.



wyn

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:23

jim,



You are making a political statement just by saying that, let alone by exploiting the situation. The TRNC is onlr recognised by Turkey, which is subject to several UN resolutions reminding the international community that the place is illegal. I go with world opinion.

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:26

PP



Sorry .. I do not agree with you.



Jim

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:45

Hi All,



Could we not take note of Msg 99 PLEASE!



wyn

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 01:04

Jim,



You don't agree with me AND the international community? Maybe we can discuss it in person one day in a reunified Cyprus.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 01:06

pikey boy where you been i thought it was a bit of a late one for you last night,you must of been in bed all day or was you to busy dishing out the parking fines.



pikey for prime minister.



jay76

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:34

You will be right, of course, P.Pike, about the dates of atrocities in the villages

mentioned. But in what way are you suggesting it changes what I am saying?

Are they not still atrocities?

Susanne

Strange that you should accuse me of " always raking up the past" This started as a positive post by Jim & why did you not object to others raking up the past?(see posts 19 & 23) You don't need to be of my generation to know that atrocities are committed on both sides in war. Yes, I do remember the last W.War, but I was 4 at the time, sitting in air raid shelter while the house

shook under German bombers being chased back over the Channel after bombing London.