my electric bill in north cyprus

jimbo


Joined: 12/07/2007
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 00:05

I am on builders electric my july bill was for £90 and my august bill was for £250 no one was in my house for the month of july but some one was in for 5 days in august. i do have a pool but my air conditioning was not up and running until last week so has not been used . I know the price has gone up but this seems a bit too much dont you think

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 10:57

does sound a little large our probably doubled since the increased charges, most friend have been saying the same. but we are on household electric not builders.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 15:02

Jimbo



Sounds very fishy to me. We are on builders electric, live here full time and run all the usual appliances plus a pool. We don't however use the air con much. Our bill for August was £165. Maybe there is something wrong with your meter or (heaven forbid) someone is tapping in to your supply. I would suggest you investigate this with your builder as a matter of urgency.



Jo

jimbo


Joined: 12/07/2007
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 16:11

Yes i think i know who is tapping my electric MY BUILDER but its my word against his

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 12:18

Some Infos about Electricity costs and example calculation of a 2kW Pool Pump:

Business Electric (esnaf, zanaatkarlar ve ticari işletmelerde) per kWs: 48 New Kuruş

State Offices per kWs: 56 New Kuruş

Builders per kWs: 96 New Kuruş

Domestic Houses

Till 250 kWs: 32 New Kuruş

251-500 kWs: 41 New Kuruş

501-750 kWs: 44 New Kuruş

all above 751 kWs: 59 New Kuruş

Plus 2 New Kuruş on all kWs Santral Katkı Payı or Yatırım Payı meaning Investment cost for new powerstations.

Plus VAT.

Predicted reduction of % 11 from Sebtember and direct connection to the Oil prices. Crude Oil prices live chart here: http://personngroup.com/x/cyprussunenergy/news.html

Production Price per kWs: 38 New Kuruş on 31 july 2008 !!!! NO JOKE!!!

1 cubic Meter FUEL OIL PRICES:

(80% of TRNC Powerstations run on fuel oil!!)

January 2007: 227.23 USD

January 2008: 423.59 USD

June 2008: 596 USD

July 2008: 710 USD

Reference: Ahmet Uzun- Finincial Minister TRNC From the Papers

Example callculation for a 2kW Pool pump for 5 hrs / day:

5 x 2 = 10kWs / day

10kWs x 30 Days = 300kWs /month

First 250kWs cost you: 250kWs x (0,32 YTL+ 0,02 YTL Santral Payı )= 85 YTL

Rest 50kWs cost you: 50kWs x (0,41 YTL + 0,02 YTL Santral Payı) = 21,50 YTL

Total: 106,50 YTL + % 16 VAT (17,04 YTL) = 123,54 YTL

If your Pump runs 10 hours / day then you have other tarifes! Your monthly consumption will be:

10 hrs x 2kW = 20kWs / Day

20 kWs x 30 = 600kWS / month !!

1st 250kWs cost you: 250kWs x (0,32 YTL+ 0,02 YTL Santral Payı )= 85 YTL

2nd 250kWs cost you: 250kWs x (0,41 YTL + 0,02 YTL Santral Payı) = 107,50 YTL

3rd 100kWs cost you: 100kWs x (0,44 YTL + 0,02 YTL Santral Payı) = 46 YTL

Total: 238,50 YTL + % 16 VAT (38,16 YTL) = 276,66 YTL

Thats only the pool pump.

An aircon energy class D (mostly sold cheap in TRNC) uses with 9000BTU approx 1kW per hr. Running it 5 hrs a day would be a total consumption of rough: 3-5kWs / day. (depending on your allover heatloss)

A standart fridge uses in hot weather 2-3kWs a day!

An A+ fridge about 1kWs.

So, the next calculations are up to you!



Sunny days

Renewable Energy Solutions and more: http://www.cyprussunenergy.com

stanley


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 42

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 16:48

Kibsolar

Lot of info there, please could you tell me how many kws an hour a 24000 btu air con uses, and a 42000 btu uses

Graham


Joined: 20/10/2007
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 16:55

This site will help you with conversions.



http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/Charts/Power1.html



Graham

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 17:28

kibsolar, message5, can you be a bit more specific?

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 14:56

hi there!

24 000 btu is approx 7kWh cooling power. would use approx 2-3kWh when running full or even more. Please check with your technical infos of the unit as it differs a lot from energy class. BTU is mostly (dont know if china is beware of this fact..) the cooling power, this is related to efficiency and the compressor.

elko?

Vaughan? is this correct? please feel free to correct me.



to no1Doyen, more specific?

A 2kW pool pump cost you @ 5 hrs running 123,54 YTL

A 2kW pool pump cost you @ 10hrs running 276,66 YTL



regards,

http://www.kibsolar.com

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 15:04

I know a lot of people are not happy renting their villas and having guests running up huge bills with the a/c running all day/night with the windows/doors open.

We think we might have a solution and anyone interested in saving money in this way should contact vaughan@sunnycyprus.net

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 15:17

Kibsolar,



Last time I checked PV solar was generating up to 100W per hour per square meter in optimum conditions (temperature, declination etc).



Also, the Government and Kibtek had yet to put in place any credit scheme for over-production in summer hours.



Have any of the above changed?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 15:32

Hi Vaughan, does your solution involve a restriction on the power that the A/C units require?

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 22:53

Gordon, how is life?

yes thats true.. maybe a bit more by now, but no huge steps. the governent has just reduced the VAT on renewables so all prices are down by 15%. vat on modules etc is 1% from now. for what are you thinking the pvs?



regards

henrik

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 23:03

Vaughan, is your solution a window lock with removable keys?? ha ha, just joking.. what is it? an hz interruptor? on off on off on off.. if you cut the electric 25 times in a second you save half of your monthly electric bill.. calculated though.. I dont know, the heating. cooling. efficiency result might also be only the half?

I am interested, what is it?

is there something happening with the solar pool pumps? If you are interested I have just signed the fronius inverters, 99% efficiency for grid feeding! Yes. here we go. If you are interested give peter a call. also the downloads section has all technical info on them. see you

regards henrik

http://www.cyprussunenergy.com - choose downloads

limony777


Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 07:59

Hi all, first i wanted to say beware of people especially builders using your electric if the house is empty, note the meter before leaving and then after.



Other question would be, ours is around £130 upwards every month, we're using aircon but not all day and normally washing machine kettle etc, is that common???

limony777


Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 08:14

One other question, how do you know which tariff is which? my bill says a tariff number but how do i know what that is with regards to builders tariff, household tariff etc?

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 15:03

Its a big matter how much energy they need during usage. A++ aircons use approx 50-70% less energy then all these units which are installed or included in the widely build superb lux `all inclusive` villas!

If you were connected to the grid and applied for everything at kibtek you should be on domestic household tarif which is divided in 4, till 250kWs / month 250-500 kWs and 500-750kWs all above 750kWs a month gets the highest rate. For the rates see my post more up.

If you want to koow waht your tarif number means please ask KibTek.



regards

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 15:08

Our solution is simple.

We are importing pound coin electricity meters which we will wire next to your consumer unit (fuse box) in your house. In new builds we can control your a/c on its own, in older houses the meter will control the whole house. Your guests can then run the a/c all day/night with windows/doors open, but now they will be paying for it, not you.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 15:11

I have been urging people for some time to ask for inverter driven a/c units in the new villas. These units are better quality, usually Japanese, not Chinese, but they are more expensive to buy. However, they use loads less electricity - up to 60% less.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 17:37

vaughan, the problem is; most of the people buy the bundle, so they buy a house and included are all white goods incl. cheap aircons, crapy pool pumps, stupid solar water heaters etc.... you know all this. . so the builder saves during this process 2500 stg/ this would be the allover sum approx to upgrade to a++ and efficient units. But who cares? the builders, no way! If they build 100 houses, this is a 250 000 stg they save. They dont care about the electric bills later on.. not their business. The homeowners? They are not beware of this fact. They dont ask for this when buying aircons. They look to the price.. I can clearly remeber the ads in CypTo, aircon fitted for 99 !! stg?? They were going like warm bread.. Hey, I can buy 250 washingmashines for 49 dollars each! Anyone interested? Not me! What do they expect to get for this money? A good (energy saving) aircon? They wake up after the first year of living and the first high unexplainable electric bills.

The electricmeter is a very goooooood idea. especially for those who rent their homes. Would the work on YTL or STG ??

Berlin: 10 degree celsius / grey sky

regards

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 18:36

It's a good idea for air con only but it would drive me crazy if I rented a villa and had to feed in pound coins for all the electricity!



Also, can you imagine having to say to prospective clients "please bring 200 pound coins with you blah blah blah". It would put me off as a customer straight away. Personally I would fit energy saving units, work out a reasonable cost for say 2 weeks electric and then put in the blurb that x amount is included and anything above that will be taken out of the security deposit. I would also make sure to give advice as to the best way to use the air con rather than have it on 24/7 with the windows open.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 19:08

It may drive you crazy, but it may also make you use the a/c more responsibly. Customers don't have to bring 200 pound coins with them, you exchange coins for notes for them after they arrive. Meter reading may not be convenient and the security deposit might have to be quite large. Try convincing someone they have used £300 worth of electricity in 2 weeks and they may think you are trying to rip them off.

With a coin-op they can see exactly what they are using.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 09:37

Where are we going to get all these thousands of pound coins from?

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 10:26

Had a holiday once in Rhodes and they charged 5 euros per day if you wanted air conditioning. We didn't pay so we went without it, we had a few uncomfortable nights but on the whole wasn't too bad. Why can't you do something like that, if people really want it they will pay for it. If its there for the taking people just put it on because they can.



Surely the card system would have been better rather than coins.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 10:29

Also forgot to say if any is interested that Aldi stores starting from today are selling Power Meters at £6.99 each. They measure any electrical appliance in use and on standy by. http://www.aldi.co.uk



Also they are selling a range of security devices at reasonable prices too.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 11:35

Hi JoandJelly,



You don't need thousands of coins - the person who looks after the villa holds the key to the meter coin box and they sell the same coins to the guests over and over, hanging on to the paper money to pay the kibtek bill with.



How does the card system work? Think carefully before you answer!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 11:47

Vaughan,



Based on your advice, I contacted Frank Gillin who is the supplier of white goods and aircon units to our builder. I have asked him to uprate our Aircon units to the inverter type which are much more economical to use. THE ADDITION COST IS ONLY ABOUT£26 PER UNIT.



Good advice from Vaughan, and excellent service from Frank Gillin (as usual)

Thank you both!!



wyn

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 14:36

TRNCVaughan have no idea how it works, not a Technician like you. Only know that when I go on holiday they give you a card which puts on the electric etc and goes off when you take it out. No doubt you will come back with an answer. I can only guess it would be something to do with the swimming pool why it would not work.



The way I see it if you are intending renting out your home you have to decide whether its a business or not. If its a business then your villa/apartment has to be adapted to that. If it is your home, then you still have to decide if you can trust the people you allow to stay.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 16:30

Hi Wyn,



I think you need to ask your supplier again about inverter a/c as these units are definately not £26 dearer that non-inverter systems, unless your original spec was very high. Diference between chinese non-inverter and japanese inverter is hundreds of pounds each unit.



dalartokat

Card system only "prevents" a/c being left on when building not occupied. Occupants place card in slot which activates a/c. Not good enough if they leave it on all day/night with windows/doord open.



The coin op system places the cost of running the a/c fairly and squarely on the renter.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 21:03

TRNCVaughan if I go on holiday that operates a card system I would only be using the electric, say, when I got up in the morning, then out all day and come back and get changed and go out again and then to sleep, which then I would have windows and doors shut. How can they leave the card in all day as you need the card to get in and out. I suppose this is only good enough in hotels and holiday flats. The card only enables you to put the electric on.



Anyway everyone is different when they are away/ Its just that in my experience when I have found out that you pay as you go I avoid that type of accommodation. Would rather just have the choice of to pay extra or not at all.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 21:52

TRNCVaughan



The most popular in use in The TRNC is Egyptian manufacture.



What I have upgraded to are Bosch which I am told are significantly more economical to run

as it is the Inverter type. Currently this suppliers price differential is £35 per unit.



These price differentials are based on the distributors list price.



wyn

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 22:04

is it a bosch a+? I know the general importer of all bosch stuff for trnc, so if you give me more details like which name, then I could check this out.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 23:52

Hi kibsolar.com.



I am trying to contact you offboard to send you details. Could you please confirm your E mail address?



Thanks,

Wyn

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 02:32

hp@personngroup.com - also available on

http://www.cyprussunenergy.com or http://www.kibsolar.com contact link.



regards



henrik

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 06:32

Can i get some examples of what monthly electric bills can be, say for a couple living full time in a two bedroom flat.

Considering that you have a/c on a few hours a day, laundry and just daily usage.

What are your average monthly bills? ( no pool or immersion heater usage).



Just curious and want to get a rough idea of expenses to expect , we are planning to move out there in about 6-10 months.



Thanks

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 10:30

Hi Wyn,



Don't take this as racist, but the Egyptians aren't widely know as great manufacturers of a/c systems.



Please also be aware that many "Bosch" a/c systems on the market are actually "badged" units made in China. Please ask your supplier where your German Bosch units are made. "Badging" is very common in China where buyers order several thousand units from a factory and have them "badged" with a household name. "Badging" is a copyright issue which both China and TRNC are not overly concerned with.

ajney


Joined: 30/04/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 11:06

Hello Henrick

I have sent two emails to your company about a week ago but not received a reply. I have called the number on your website but skype says it does not recognise it. I have just sent another email to the address given in message 36. If you do not receive would you let me know through the forum the best way to make contact.

Many thanks

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 13:03

TRNCVaughan,



These units are from a mainstream Bosch distributor, who also supplies Bosch kitchen appliances, to our builder. He states that they are soft start inverter grade A.

I am currently seeking confirmation.



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 13:06

ajney,



I have been in contact by Henrik today, by E mail.



He can be contacted on....hp@personngroup.com.



wyn

ajney


Joined: 30/04/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 13:32

Thanks - have given that one a try and waiting foir a reply

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 15:06

Wyn,



Please ask your a/c supplier for unit model numbers. I will confirm if these are inverter driven units or not.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 15:27

I hope I have replied

please note when checking the contact site that you remove the x with an @ in the mail adres.

BTW: The cyprussunenergy.com newscenter has just been packed with all kind of re infos printed in cyprus media.

http://personngroup.com/x/cyprussunenergy/news.html

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 10:15

Wyn,



I have visited most European, inc RoC, websites for Bosch appliances.

None of them mention a/c other than a few portable units.

There is a Bosch dealer in UAE who sells NON-inverter "Bosch" a/c units.

Please make sure you are getting what you think you are paying for. I suggest that before your units are fitted, someone inspects them for country of manufacture.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 10:34

Caughan. I think your coin system method is excellent. I'll definately be talking to you personally about this next time I am over.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 10:35

Sorry, meant Vaughan.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 10:43

TRNCVaughan,



I will check again, thank you, but I was assurred that they are "soft start inverter grade A"



He is a legitimate supplier of Bosch White goods, and is already supplying us with our kitchen white goods, so I have every reason to be confident.



With globalisation, Country of Manufacture is no longer much of a guideline, as to whether they are made to Bosch specification and carry Bosch Iternational guarantees, are the critical factors.



Thanks again for your advice,



wyn

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 13:15

The general importer for ALL Bosch goods is Yuksel Ahmet Rasit. Shortly YAR. http://yar-group.com/index.asp?page=143 try to find out there.

linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 20:36

Hi Vaughn



Sounds a great idea. What is the cost?



Regards



Linus

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 21:03

family, air con pool 125 per week. going to charge them next year!

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 21:52

Ok, let me try again, The Heading was "My Electric Bill', so I thought I may get a bite. I didnt get a single response,

Maybe some one would like to share this info :



Can i get some examples of what monthly electric bills can be, say for a couple living full time in a two bedroom flat.



Considering that you have a/c on a few hours a day, laundry and just daily usage.

What are your average monthly bills? ( no pool or immersion heater usage summer month example).



Just curious and want to get a rough idea of expenses to expect , we are planning to move out there in about 6-10 months.







Thanks a lot.

kimosh


Joined: 09/08/2008
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 22:18

Hi turbo ..... funny site this lol .... have you already purchased a home here if not stay where ever you are .... well that would be my advice to any poor sole trying to move here ... some think there is good sides cannot think what that would be but still..... electric here is very high and i dont think anyone could really tell ya how much ya bill could be ...they charge buy the unit you use the more you use the higher the charge .... like the first 183 units would be 0.3172 ytl and the second would be 183 at 0. 40 and so on ... just bring lots of candles that my advice ..... ps i checked your age before i replyed ..... i had been coming here 30 years before i moved here ....very different to live than to holiday .... electric bills on this island are a big issue for everyone right now ... good luck

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:57

Hey - but still cheaper than in europe! We are paying 0,23 Euro cents / kWs which is 0,46 YTL!!

Turbo:Its hard to predict a electric bill/cost. There is nothing like a "normal household" in TRNC. The best question I get is; I have a 250sqm three bedroom house, how much would a solar system cost? My answer is: 0 Stg and you dont need one! They say: Why? I say its not the house or the rooms which use energy, its the occupants. So, now depending on your usage of aircon, how many hours, how big units, how efficient unit, heatloss, how many fridges, pool pump running for how long, etc etc... all this counts! You can be sure that your bill will be something between 50YTL and 850YTL.



sunny dayzzzzz



http://www.kibsolar.com

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:58

BTW: Domestic Houses rates Till 250 kWs: 32 New Kuruş, 251-500 kWs: 41 New Kuruş, 501-750 kWs: 44 New Kuruş, all above 751 kWs: 59 New Kuruş

Plus 2 New Kuruş on all kWs Santral Katkı Payı or Yatırım Payı meaning Investment cost for new powerstations.

Plus VAT.

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 00:41

Thanks for the responses, what I was looking was just a comparison of several peoples bills, they have a rough idea what they pay each month in the summer months, I know its all about how much you use.

Thats why I used a two bed room flat with a few hours of a/c a day.

Would I be safe in saying it varies from, say 250 ytl to 350 ytl? jsut a rough guess would help.

Kibsolar, thanks for the breakdown.

Kimosh, I have a place out there already.

ClaireCat44



Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 739

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 09:59

During the summer I was out during the day but I used the air-con (1 unit, 24) for about 3-4 hours every evening and my bill was 106ytl. The previous month it was about 80ytl.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 15:44

Turbo



There are 2 of us and we have a 2 bed house with pool, air con (seldom used), fridge freezer, etc. We are on builders electric so no point in telling you how much we paid but I can tell you the number of units used:



Jan - 338

Feb - 190 (in Jamaica for nearly 3 weeks!)

Mar - 283

Apr - 296

May - 282

Jun - 413

Jul - 467 (friends stayed for 2 weeks using more air con)

Aug - 343



Hope this helps.



Jo

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 21:40

Thanks, it gives me a good idea..

kimosh


Joined: 09/08/2008
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 12:44

message to no 52 ...... hey where on earth was you living no its not cheaper here buy a long shot ..... uk is much cheaper not unless you are living on a dingi somewhere remote .... why is no one honest on this site .... what is everyone selling and trying to premote a better life style here ... cos there is no way its better ... no im not bitter i made a mistake and invested all my money here .... and i will relish the day i can return home ....

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 13:02

Anyone interested in coin op electricity meters, please express your interest on vaughan@sunnycyprus.net



Wyn,



Please advise where I can see these Bosch a/c units in a showroom so that I can satisfy myself whether they are Inverter driven or not. You may be happy that they are what you have been told they are but others may not be as happy to buy them if they aren't.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 16:39

Kimosh, I feel sorry for you. I am paying in Berlin Germany, which belongs to Europe 0,23 Euro Cents which is equal to about 0,40 YTL per kWs. This is 0,10 YTL more than in TRNC. I know that other regions also pay nearly the same ammount. I also know that producing electric through fuil oil is not the right way but assuming that KıbTek is hardly earning a penny per produced kWs, its a fair price! I have been living in Cyprus since 1983 and I love it. I dont care about prices, living conditions, border crossings etc. I just love the island (both sides!!), my friends and my family. Beside this I try to change something in the way like promoting renewable energy and working close with politicans and NGOs. Try to do the same, maybe then you understand some things better.. ??

kimosh


Joined: 09/08/2008
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 16:55

kibsolar.com ..... dont feel sorry for me i feel sorry i every came to this rock you are talking 1983 for god sake wake up .... this is a different island since then .. i loved it here in 1983 i have been coming to this island for 30 years ya think i dont know it here .... awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwe living the dream is very different ..... i lived in what must be the most lovest place in england before i came here .... berlin germany is very different im sorry im not being rude to you in any way but god times have changed not for the better .... and i have been here 17 months ...and the only thing i could promote on this island is a one way ticket home ........ good day to you

jimbo


Joined: 12/07/2007
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:04

Kimosh list some things that you are not happy with about living in cyprus

kimosh


Joined: 09/08/2008
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:06

jimbo ....... how long is a piece of string and how long have you got

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 222

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:14

Kimosh, in the 17 months since you have been away prices have shot up in the UK and they are not going to go down. Our winter will be much longer and colder than TRNC, the prices of gas and electricity have already gone up and who knows where it will end. Staples ie: bread, potatoes ,milk, rice have gone through the roof. I dont know what to say to give you comfort but it is bad the world over.

kimosh


Joined: 09/08/2008
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:31

Jackeen ... thanks for letting me know .... but there is home and there is home... i would rather be stranded somewhere i could talk to someone for help than on an island where a woman has no worth and never will have ... and to be notified my bill will increase buy the month and not change the rules when they like .... maybe easyer for a guy or couple i came here alone with my family .... with no help or income thinking i would be safer ...less expensive ...what a shock and wake up call i have had ... and for being ripped off thats an understatement ... i hate to think cos im a woman and a brit ...that im an easy target for any bu**er ...im a strong minded woman who would fight my corner but hey we have no say ... you wouldnt imagine what i have ... gone through as a woman on this is island ...easyfor some to say oh well ... but for me its not im not a winger and i dont give in easy ..... but i will end up going home pennyless ...cos i dont think i could wait for my house and car to sell ....i have just about had it here ............. in england we all get charged the same ..... omg i wish i was of different culture at times are we that stupid cos we are brits .... i didnt think so .... no wonder the uk is in such a mess ....awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwe im sorry just speaking as a woman in a strange country ...

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 13:41

no comment

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
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Message Posted:
26/09/2008 15:38

kibsolar.com,



What can you tell me about nanosolar and whether it will be available in TRNC.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 16:06

kimosh, you said......awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwe im sorry just speaking as a woman in a strange country



However in a previous thread you said..... dont feel sorry for me i feel sorry i every came to this rock you are talking 1983 for god sake wake up .... this is a different island since then .. i loved it here in 1983 i have been coming to this island for 30 years ya think i dont know it here ..



Can you elaborate as I am confused!.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 16:33

nanosolar is quite new. they are thin film modules combined wih printing technology. this developing and has got some disadvantages to normal mono or poly chrystaline modules. They are cheaper, yes but much more reported breakdowns, very low voltage efficiencies.. I am beware of this new technology and find it very interesting, especially the wp price! ! As the dont sell direct to `small companies` we are searching for a general distributer to make them available in trnc. - but we still need to look at them critical as there are no long run test results availlable. I will keep you informed. hope it helps?

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:27

could someone tell me what is the horizontal asymptote for x^2-1/x^3-27



Thanks in anticipation.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 19:48

Message 70: -

The degree of a polynomial is the highest power to which the variable is raised. For example:

x + 1 is a first degree polynomial

6x^2 - 2x + 37 is a second degree polynomial

x^5 - 3 is a fifth degree polynomial

8x^4 + x^2 - 3x^7 is a seventh degree polynomial (the highest one doesn't have to come first)



To find the horizontal asymptote of a function that divides two polynomials (like your question), you must know the degrees of the polynomials. There are three different cases that decide how you get your answer.



Case 1:

The degree of the top polynomial is higher than the degree of the bottom polynomial. For example:

x^5 / x^2

In this case, there is never a horizontal asymptote.



Case 2 (your case):

The degree of the top polynomial is lower than the degree of the bottom polynomial. For example:

x^3 / x^9

In this case, the horizontal asymptote is always zero.



Case 3:

The degree of the both polynomials is the same. For example:

(2x^3 - 1) / (6x^3 + 4x^2 - 5)

Remember, degree is determined by the highest power, not how many terms you have. Both of these are third degree polynomials. To find the asymptote, look at the coefficients (number before the variable) of the variable raised to the highest power (in this example, x^3). For this example, those coefficients are 2 and 6. To find the horizontal asymptote, divide the top coefficient by the bottom one. The horizontal asypmtote for this example is 2/6 or 1/3.



So, in a word - "Nowt"!

no1doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 20:48

are you sure?

jimbo


Joined: 12/07/2007
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 20:51

I only wanted to talk about my electric bill

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 21:16

Hi Jimbo,

I think that you probably reached the solution in post 4, some time ago... ;-)

The rest of it is largely irelevant!

Best regards,

Keith.