Why so many are leaving?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 15:24

I am somewhat shocked by the amount of people leaving the TRNC, as can be seen by the greatly reduced house/apartments for sale and the leaving dogs threads. Why do people think this is happening? Is it becoming more of a holiday home resort than a permanent residence for Brits.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 15:29

I wish more would leave to be honest.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 16:03

The grass is always on the other side of the fence (until people find out it isn't.)



You will probably find that most of those returning to the uk are those who puchased properties in the boom years of 2004-2006.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 16:09

Up until nearly 2 years ago,if you had £50.000 worth of lira in an acc.,the interest from that based on (-+)%20 was enough to live on.Today even £100.000 in liras won't give you the same income!

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 16:44

Probably as the light at the end of the tunnel is getting dimmer and dimmer, little hope of a solution on the horizon, costs rising and can only rise higher to keep local workers in state employment, at a cost to all living here. Like it or not what seemed to be expanding, friendly enviroment with hope for a brighter future, has taken major step back,mainly due to short sighted goverment policy, even Egypt's looking better, last one out switch off the lights.



D.N

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 16:52

Bradus.



Maybe these folk you are reffering have read your past posts after all your posts have never come across to me, to promote positive vibes.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 16:58

I'm wondering if the 'living the dream retirement in North Cyprus' has faded due to a lack of feeling of security. I mean that people don't feel safe for a number of reasons, shaken by a general lack of confidence.



Lack of any confidence in the TRNC government to help them should they need it; lack of confidence in the legal system especially advocates; lack of confidence in the health system and lack of support in ill health/age related need; the rising cost of living; lack of confidence in the banking system and /or low interest on savings; being shaken by others leaving and subsequent loss of friends and support they give.



How many more would leave if they could afford to? How many need to sell their property first or have a home elsewhere to go to?

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 17:12

Hector I think you are very close to the mark, but many came here because it was "cheap"and no other reason, I hope they go elsewhere, or home.

coffer


Joined: 13/02/2007
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 17:29

We know two families of Cypriots who came here from London in the the early 90s as a result of overtures from the then government. They have regretfully decided to head back to their business interests in London because they can't make a living in business in the TRNC. They feel badly let down by the government who, in their view, have not kept their promises. They also feel there is no real expertise in the areas of tourisom and the service sector in general. Very sad for the future of the country if people with entrepreneurial skills depart.

andy2b123


Joined: 21/12/2010
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 17:42

The average British person will emigrate or stay away from the U.K. for only 3 years (fact)

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 17:44

Pipie (mess 6)



Personally I think Bradus is extremely knowledgeable about the TRNC and many respect her posts including me, pity the same can't be said of your posts! positive or not!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 17:48

TRNC victim.

Am I not allowed mine then ?

mrperfect


Joined: 18/01/2010
Posts: 400

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 17:55

If İ may be allowed to ask those who are still here - if you were to 'retire' all over again, would you still come to the TRNC? If not, why, and which other country would you currently consider to be more suitable in terms of 'feeling secure', 'quality of life', value etc etc?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 17:58

TRNC victim.



Your posts in the past are also negative ones regarding the TRNC so again possibly these negatives posts may have contributed to some exits from the TRNC.

After all forums are read by folk who are in the TRNC for info, feedback etc, as you have stated Bradus is ''extremely knowledgeable about the TRNC'' so maybe some of these folk who have departed have read Bradus posts and it contributed to there departure.



This is a freedom of speech thread I presume ?

mrperfect


Joined: 18/01/2010
Posts: 400

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 18:03

ps from what I have read, Bradus seems here to be a asking a pertinent, relevant, question. I have never read any of his past posts.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 18:09

Mr Perfect,



re- mess 15,Bradus is the female of the species,lol,

Paul.

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 18:10

So everyones queuing up to get on that plane back to glorious UK and....... encounter a lack of confidence in politicians who only want to flip their homes and cheat the tax payer, lack of confidence in the national health service, the local authority bills for owning a house (council tax). The proven dodgy track records of the banks, and it aint improving. The bank interest is at a all time low, and then all the fun of travelling on the wonderful transport systems in place. Oh by the way, dont go out at night, especially in the inner cities or you may have to use the NHS facilities mentioned above.

Give me the TRNC every time.

Michael

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 18:11

If İ may be allowed to ask those who are still here - if you were to 'retire' all over again, would you still come to the TRNC?

yes i would,maybe because my husband is a turkish cypriot and ive had more than 30 years of learning the turkish ways.i think most people who return back to the uk is because the money they once lived on is not covering their expenses any more and some came here and was spend ,spend spend forgetting their future.also.you do miss your family and unless you can afford to visit them often and they visit you it must be very hard.we have 2 children & grandchildren in the uk and we try to see each other every 3-4 months,the internet is a god send to us but there are still people here who havent got internet .i dont want to return back to the uk,im happy here,but if something were to happen to us financially,we would probably have to.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 18:11

mrperfect.



We have visited TRNC for a great number of years now and love to visit ideally for a few months total a year, we love the weather, the island but much more the local people.We feel fortunate to be a guest in the TRNC. when we have the opporturnity.

However on a personal note the UK is where I have quality of life, I feel secure as much as I do in any other country and value the job satisfaction and lifestyle my family have in the UK.



Messege 10 very interesting.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 18:22

andy2b123



"The average British person will emigrate or stay away from the U.K. for only 3 years (fact)"



We must be above average!



I think those returning to the UK often find things are just as bad when they get back if not worse. But I have to sympathise with anyone trying to run a business here - it seems it's a total nightmare.

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 19:05

Pipie you are a person who runs with the hare and hunts with the hounds, unfortunately, and message 11 puts it in a nutshell, & your posts are usually irrelevant and ilinformed - it's not so long ago that you were trying to move here to live as I can bring back to the top if you wish,

Mount Rushmore indeed

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 19:21

Hi Bradus, Yes I would be an ex-pat all over again. Many migrants from the Uk don't do their homework first,find out too late that living abroad is not what they really wanted. In my opinion many seek ENGLAND PLUS, this ain't England,never mind the plus! To be in a primitive country, you need to be an adventurer,and tolerant, with a big sense of humour. Many posters here put up disparaging remarks,their intolerance is frightening, and under the guise of "warning" people off because they are not happy themselves with some aspect of the TRNC, they insult and run everything and everybody else down. The sooner these people find a better and more fulfilling life,the better for them,and better for us who are happy here,despite the shortcomings. In my circle of friends no one is unhappy with their lot.I bought in Spain because entry barriers in OZ and NZ were fiscally impossible,sold up 3 years later because it was too organised,too ordered,too British, and the TRNC is cheaper.

TonyE

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 19:29

Who said they are all going back to the UK,?I for one would not consider it,but I think this place is heading down the tubes.............And (30 odd years on)it's there own fault...........

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 19:32

Yes message 10 is an interesting statement. I thought that the main reason would have been missing family especially young grandchildren, yet nobody has mentioned that as a reason!



I know message 4 is correct as I have read previously that the loss of finance due to the fall in interest rates has had a bearing on peoples' quality of life and future plans.



I also wondered Groucho if not being able to work or start a business also forces people out rather than them actually wanting to leave?



Pipie,

Sorry if you do not like what I write and find it negative. However it is the truth, told exactly as it is. It allows people to make informed decisions when purchasing in the TRNC. We don't all live in cloud cuckoo land and thank goodness we don't all recommend developments with 2 million pound mortgages in place and close our eyes to problems within our developments.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 19:40

An amazing percentage of people we know have left over the last couple of years



The main reasons seem to be - missing family, worries about health care and financial problems.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 19:55

msg22... So you are happy?,Well done,it's nice to know some people are happy with life ..............But please try to think of those that have been well and truly "Screwed"And a little less pomposity would be nice

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 20:22

Message 26

I don't think there is anything pompous in message 22, he is just saying how things are for him. We are all aware that some people have had major problems with property purchase and such like and I certainly feel for them. But I love my life here, it's right for me, I have a lovely home, good friends, can afford a reasonable standard of life and I am very happy here, I don't feel that because we have found our place in life that we should have to apologise for that, and that is not being pompous, it's being honest.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 20:38

Love it here - both of us - would not even think of going back to UK - at present.

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 20:38

A lot of people have left because financially they cannot afford the ill health that they have got since moving here. When I came here 5 years ago I was married and perfectly healthy, but in those 5 years I have got divorced and develped terrible back problems, from many horse riding injuries got over many years. It's costing me a fortune in doctors, physio and hospital bills here, that did no good, and then many trips back to England for private care. There is no where in the North that can help me.



I would go back to England, but can't afford to, as can't sell my apartment, and can't leave my cats I brought from England.



Of course there is the financial side as well, as someone mentioned earlier, how the interest rate and rising cost of living has affected how we all live here. Circumstances change, but unless you can see into the future, how can you know what is around the corner.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 20:44

well said stella, I would go back tomorrow as I. I miss my grandkids so much, " The last few months I have not been well but cant afford the medicial bills. 3 We have to sell andthe imortant one my dogs. I love it hear and having said all that I would love to stay but you have to look at the big picture. If I didnt have to try to work here to live I would love it x

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 20:59

i hope they are not coming back to blighty ,because they will be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.







musin



long live the kktc

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 21:12

I honestly sympathise with all of you who have burnt all their bridges by selling up in the UK to buy property in TRNC and hoped to have a happy retirement. We were also going to go down that road, our salvation was the birth of our first grandchild almost 5 years ago. It was then that we realised that we couldn't not see him grow up, in our case almost day by day.



Have to say that we love our house in Cyprus and really enjoy our time spent there, especially with the really good friends we have made but we feel that we made the best decision by keeping our home in the UK and going back and forward as we please.



If I had to give advice to anyone, I would say that they should keep a base in the UK, then if illness or anything should occur they would still have a home here. ( Bad and COLD as it is, just paid £280 for 500 lrs of oil today! ) On the bright side, prescriptions and GP's are free!

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 21:19

Well said msg 22

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 21:37

If going back to uk rent first things have changed in last 5 years.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 21:39

If going back to uk rent first things have changed in last 5 years.

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 21:44

Msg 34 in what way have they changed?

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 21:55

It seems to me that things have changed cosiderably for the worse in Cyprus than have done in the UK.



Groucho I would disagree wiyh you regarding the UK, I should know I have done it. The only thing I miss re Cyprus is the summer weather and sailing.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 22:10

MartinD41, pomposity? sorry sunshine, I will try using smaller words and pretend I know what I am talking about, will that help? You have a nice club here, its called "Hate the TRNC or we will insult you till you go away".

The thing is, and I guess that is what gets up your nose, is that I live here and I am happy ? Or is it that because I live here I get to talk to people and might actually know what goes on behind the scenes?

If you want a short concise summary, in no particular order, it's family ties/grandchildren, boredom, lack of culture (concerts/theatre) increasing cost of living, resistance to change, disliking the changing environment, increasing medical needs,general mismatch of expectations, no change in The Cyprus Problem, listening to too many depressive people droning on about their miserable lot!. And I still meet people who came here because they once had a nice holiday... Mad

Tonye

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 22:19

Tony you forgot the want cheap beer also x There is a little britian lot here now who expects that. Saturdat market they have placed the orders for the pies they want, the curry they want sausage rols they want. the weeks shopping in one place. We sell there parma, boiled ham etc.Whilist we were slicining the parma a couple of weeks ago this guy came up and said is it back bacon mate. Dont get me wrong our customers come for their cheeses , parma boiled ham, this wek with herbs. I just found it so strange x

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 22:30

What is wrong with the British expats in NC wanting the familiar foods, drinks etc. they know and enjoy?



Does anyone criticise the Turkish, Polish, Jewish, Chinese, Asian etc. etc. communities in the UK for living in particular areas and having their own food shops?



The British (and other foreign expats) only contribute to the TRNC economy. They don't to my knowledge, harm the community and could in fact add to the benefit of the TRNC if asked. The expat charity work and animal welfare are but two examples of the positive contribution being made.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 22:36

Well said Hector. why is it some brits just love to down their own all the time.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 22:37

RE mnsg 22 & 38, elkiton: Well said. The lack of interest in daily TRNC life and the good things this country has to offer is striking - this board holds many examples. UK this and UK that, comparisons and complaints. Where will these Britishers be happy? At the pool table in some UK pub? What's the difference with what too many seem to do in TRNC?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 22:44

I find the argument that Brits want "Britain in Cyprus" rather confusing.



It is and always has been more British than most other holiday countries I have visited. Not just because of its colonial history and English language but because of the happy hour mentality, restaurants that cater for mainly British tastes with their fish and chips and Sunday roast, bingo nights and quiz nights.



So how can people want it to be Britain? Apart from the weather and blissfully deserted areas, it's almost there!

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:03

And ain't that a shame.......

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:07

And in what country do the majority of Turkish Cypriots now live?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:10

The country that most Turkish Cypriots now live is England.Any idea why?

newscoop


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Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:14

Free prescriptions?



Funny that, I pay every time but then I've never been on the dole and am not a pensioner.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:19

"The country that most Turkish Cypriots now live is England.Any idea why?"



Because the UK opened it's doors in their hour of need? Free education? A system that encourages private enterprise? The welfare state? The NHS? The rule of law? Lawyers you can trust or sue? Politicians that can be held to account? Government policies that can be challenged in court if necessary? An accountable police service?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:20

Yorgo....msg 46..."The country that most Turkish Cypriots now live is England.Any idea why? "



Because they know when they are on to a good thing ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:38

The answer to my Q is rather simple,everything else comes with the package.



Turkish Cypriots living in England are NOT just Turkish Cypriots.



they are BRITISH.



see how simple it is.



You can't have forgotten the British colonial years already,have you?

My own mother who have never been to England until the age of 45 for some reason never had any other passaport other then British.

Anyone has an idea WHY?

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:43

Could it be that they can't afford to live in the TRNC Yorgozlu ? LOL

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:46

Yorgo.....but your patronising response doesn't answer the question WHY they are still in the UK if the TRNC is so great and Britain is going down the pan ?



Surely it is safe to return to their beloved homeland and show support and solidarity for the TRNC ?

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:51

newscoop,



Message 47.



Also not a pensioner or have ever been on the dole, sickness, invalidity or any other benefit.



Prescriptions are FREE for EVERYONE!



Or is it just in Northern Ireland ? Do you still pay in England ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:54

birdman;

You can't be more wrong.

Here is a simple example;

I know of a couple(husband and wife)who had put 40+ years each contrubution to their pension in UK,they now get -+ £700 between them a month.

My mother who had never lived in UK,as silly as it may be, gets just short of 3000tl pension here in TRNC,and thats only the 2/3 of the actual amount beacuse my dad passed away.LOL



Turkish Cypriots in UK are there because they are British.







see....even with my broken english it is simple enough to understand.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:55

Ballyboffin.....for those of us unfortunate enough to be working all hours and paying tax and NI, the current prescription charge in England is £7.20.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 23:59

msg 48



There have been Cypriots Turkish & Greek in the UK since the 1950's, aswell as other races from the British Colonies (blacks, Indians etc)... And we all know why the blacks were shipped in...



Where would the UK be now without the Indians, chinese, West Indians, Turks, Italians, Jews, Cypriots etc... ?? =====answer SHUTDOWN=====



I can assure you that there are a few more reasons than the ones you have mentioned as to why the UK has a Cypriot community.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
01/02/2011

Yorgo...msg 54...."Turkish Cypriots in UK are there because they are British. "



And maybe the Brits who are in Turkish Cyprus mistakenly thought they may receive the same level of hospitality and equitable treatment ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:06

cronos-re 52;

They are British.



ps.Would it sound horrible if I was to say.............I won't expect you to understand!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:07

cronos...msg 57;



Why?



You don't recognise us........................remember?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:07

message 56



Where would the UK be now without the Indians, chinese, West Indians, Turks, Italians, Jews, Cypriots etc... ?? =====answer SHUTDOWN=====



Agree, which is why it is difficult to understand why the TC's cannot see, where they would be, without the Turkish workers.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:08

No Yorgo, not horrible, it's just what I would expect from you !

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:08

msg 52



Once beloved homeland.... Before you know who spread thier usual poison !!



Do not ask ridicule questions that you already know the answers to.... You of all people should know WHY

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:10

Stonehousepub...msg 52..."You of all people should know WHY "



I'm confused by that remark !



Who do you think I think I am ?

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:14

msg 60



Two very different senarios and two very different countries two very different situations...



Is there anyone race in the UK that out numbers the original White Englishman ?

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:19

cronos,



Good heavens! Maybe there are some benefits for living in the 'wilds of Northern Ireland'



AND we don't pay any water charges yet...............

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:19

Yorgo...msg 59....."You don't recognise us........................remember? "



The British govt may not recognise the TRNC Yorgo, but the British people who have fallen foul of the endemic corruption, discrimination and illegality within the TRNC certainly do recognise the place for what it is.

Jonesy299


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 367

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:23

It's a bit of a daft thread as it only serves to highlight (again) the common themes for leaving we are already fully aware of in many other topics (rising TRNC costs / political and economic uncertainty / dreadfully unlucky or naive house purchasers / the lure of the UK NHS in our dotage / simply missing UK family and friends etc) and a reminder of what keeps some of us here (adapting to challenges not constantly fighting it or moaning about it / the glorious weather and scenery / lifestyle and new friendships etc).



Each to their own - but trust me if you cannot get to grips with the TRNC challenge and live with it, you're poorly placed to meet the challenge on your return to a struggling UK environment... think carefully.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:27

Stonehousepub (mess 64)



Does any one race matter in the UK? I don't think so! unlike the TRNC thankfully we are not raciest!



Ballyboffin (mess 65)



You want to try to live in England? If I was in your shoes I would continue to live in "the wilds of Northern Ireland"! and let the English cossitt you

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:27

cronos



I in general admire your posts which are most of the time sensible and also true, and also admire your interest in Cyprus and your sympathy towards Turkish Cypriots/Cypriot Turks...



This is why I would have expected you to know why for most TC's that live in the UK do no longer see the TRNC as thier beloved homeland.



Thier beloved homeland is now a divided island, unrecognised, embargoed and controlled by everyone else but themeselves.



So would'nt you choose to stay put in the UK if in this position?

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:36

TRNCvictim



" unlike the TRNC thankfully we are not racist " I personally would not agree with that...



I don't think Brits can be racist anymore the UK is in the hands of foreigners...

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 00:39

Stonehousepub.....thanks for the explanation....I now understand where you are coming from.



However I feel that the TC's who fled to England and other parts of the world have no real interest in returning, even if the embargoes were lifted etc.



And furthermore, it is hardly a surprise that the Turkish mainlanders now outnumber the TC's in TRNC if several hundred thousand TC's choose not to return and redress the balance.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 01:06

cronos



I would personally like to see hundreds of thousands of TC's from around the world return to the TRNC but its not as simple as that, unfortunately the TRNC goverment has never really kept intouch with TC's living abroad, they have never really campainged to try and convince the TC's to return.



Are you aware that British TC's cannot spend more than 60/90 days here in anyone year without being called into the army ?



It's not exactly encouraging, and guess who imposes these restrictions ? Any idea why ?



My father is 72 years of age and left Cyprus in 1956 with his British passport. He can now not spend more than 60 days here unless he does his national service or pays 4000stg. This rule applies for as long as he lives...

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 01:33

Stonehousepub,



that's very interesting but sad and also somewhat discriminatory to the British TC's. Have I interpreted this correctly?



These restrictions are applied by Turkey but the TRNC Government accepts them? Turkeys motive would be to have more Turkish on the island than Cypriots?



Asking a 72 year old to do military service or pay £4000 is really just a form of blackmail.

HairyPeggy01


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 06:28

Regarding Military Service here. A couple of years back, a 47 year old Brit was conscripted, much to the embarrassment of the Military. Another fine mess, Stanley!

After two months lounging around, while the paperwork was sorted, he was released. I don't recall any mention of him paying money for his release, he was just too old.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 07:21

Stonehousepub;



Could you mail me please,regarding your Dad.

racoonchic



Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 07:46

its not just the brits that are leaving. the tcs with british passports are flocking out of here and who can blame them . i wish we had kept our options open in the uk although im not quite ready to give up here just yet. we have both worked in the uk and paid our taxes, didnt claim child benifit even though we were entitled to it. we pay tax here as well but we are a hundred times better off living here than risking life in the uk again. crime , drugs ,children talking down to everyone .the queens english has been taken over and has had a remix ,stabbings shootings, rape, and thats just in the schools .what hope of any future there..this place needs addressing but on the grand scale of things it will do for me and mine ..x

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 08:28

Tomorrow, a dear friend returns to the U. K. with her to cats, her husband left last week, their furniture

left last week and their dog is being escorted back to France by a KAR representative where they will pick

her up (the dog, not the KAR LADY!!) Just think of the cost of that!! They had no choice, their BOYUT house was NEVER completed, only 3 years late now. Their money is fast running out due to having to pay rent they never budgetted for and they wanted to be sure they had enough money to take their beloved pets with them.

That is the 5th set of friends I have seen return in two months. I am sure you all have similar experiences.

Government's reaction to this exodus - well you all know the answer to that one.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 10:25

Message 68. TRNCvictim



I do beg your pardon for rattling your cage!!!!!



It is incredible how the English 'cossett' us, brilliant here.



Sure we don't pay any taxes here at all, the English give us everything for nothing!!!!!!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 17:22

TRNC VICTIM - take no notice of Paddy, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, to be sure.

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 18:29

Currently I have no intention of leaving the TRNC - but if I did I certainly would not go back to the UK. I grew slowly more and more disillusioned with UK values over the last 15 years - it is no longer the country I grew up in and I do not like what it has become.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 18:55

pollymarples,



To call someone a 'Paddy' is regarded here as, as rascist a remark as calling a black person a n----r



TRNCvictim is obviously tarred with the same brush by her comment.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 19:16

Sorry, I didnt realise Paddy is a racist remark, just thought it short for Patrick or Patricia and I am sure that

TRNC VICTIM and I are tarred with the same brush, I could not hope to be in better company. Tar, tarmac, tinkers, Irish, amazing where word assocation can take you. (just joking).

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 19:22

You're making that up BB - it is nothing like it.



Message 54: I know of a couple(husband and wife)who had put 40+ years each contrubution to their pension in UK,they now get -+ £700 between them a month.

Sure about that?

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 19:34

Msg 81.

C`mon Pat, I moved to Ireland from South London, even my two sons call me Paddy,no way would it be classed as racist,think you are having a joke.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 19:36

message 80 Jovial John Totally agree with you ! "Great Britain" no longer exists, something my father and everyone his generation, and before, fought for ! what a mess ! however I do know of a few Cypriot Turkish who have returned to the UK to earn some money because they cant make a business work here in TRNC !(estate agents) the same people also told me that they sold up in UK a few years back and came back to TRNC to avoid capital gains tax and any other taxes they were due to pay to the UK government after so many years of earning cash there ! Its a shame that the UK allows such behaviour but they will never learn ! regards barry

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 19:42

Msg 68

Great to live in the back of beyond, the last civilised place on the planet.

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 19:46

Message 85 Couldnt agree more what a beautiful part of the world

The UK

sucks

20% VAT £1.35 a litre of diesil, New 40 % tax for anyone earning overe £38K, Inflataion 12.3%, compuleray water meatering at a cots to each house ower of £200 for the privalige So many government cuts its going to be the minority paying the majority,

Why would anybody want to come back to the UK I will never know

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 20:29

paddywack,



Of course it was a joke, being named Patricia after my father who served for 35 years in the RAF during and after the war, he was nicknamed Paddy, as of course most serving in the military from NI are. He was called Pat until he died.



My objection was to TRNCvictim's comment and I quote ' You want to try to live in England? If I was in your shoes I would continue to live in the 'wilds of Northern Ireland' and let the English cossitt you'

This, I took as offensive. This woman knows nothing about me or where I have lived.



I didn't start out to have a slanging match with anyone, but I'm afraid that I will not sit back and take remarks like that.



Really have to say though that we are all so grateful to the English for sending us the blankets so that our wee piglets in the parlour are kept nice and warm in front of the turf fire!!!!!!!!!!!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 21:35

Ballyboffin,



You also know nothing about me, my family are from Southern Ireland (Connemara) on my mothers side and Lucca in Italy on my Fathers side!



You took offence at the fact the English are cossetting you?



The English have cossetted the Irish for years! and according to the money we have sent them in the last 12 months are continuing to do so!



My Irish Grandmother who I loved dearly would have be grateful for anything! (blankets for her or her pigs included) and gave me the understanding of love! (in spite of the black and tans)! my Italian Grandmother lived to be 96 and she certainly gave me a lot of strength to look at the world without rose coloured spectacles



We are all the same under the skin wherever we come from! Northern Ireland/Southern Ireland, Northern Italy/ Southern Italy, East Germany/West Germany! South Africa/North Africa! North Cyprus/South Cyprus!

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 21:59

Please tell me what you are drinking, and where i can get some?



I can't follow the original thread through all this personal stuff

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 22:03

Re msg 87



Inflation 12.3% Just wondering, where did you got that statistics from?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 22:20

IbrahimAbi (mess 90)



I have not been drinking! and just answering a previous thread, sorry it's come across as personal!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 22:26

TRNC victim you and i have more in common than ever now. irish/italian and mt robb.. Just to let you know ballyboffin is one of the nicest persons i have met. Saying english to a scot, welsh or irish i gyess is like calling an italian a spaniard or a gc a greek or a tc a turk. xxxxxxx

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 22:32

Oh for heavens sake! The way people are talking about the UK as a murder/rape/crime etc. capitol of the world. You probably have more chance of winning the lottery than getting murdered or raped. If people really want to convince themselves that anywhere is better than the UK, well that's fine for them, there's not a chance of convincing them otherwise.



Now let me think, just where do expat British passport holders usually head for when they need serious medical treatment/ an operation? Oh, and immediately forget they don't live in the UK?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 22:38

Too true Hector...and if you ask the Brit expats why they left the UK to live in TRNC , many will say because it was full of bloody foreigners !

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 22:51

wow ,i see where some of you people are coming from ,well you are all welcome back to the uk ,just as long as you know ,there are no mortgages ,the council will not house you as they have sold most of their properties ,the rents are massive ,there are government cutbacks coming out of every orifice you can think of.



the cost of living is the highest in the world, the crime rate is growing at an alarming rate ,despite what the government tells us ,this is what was said by a backbencher recently i cannot remember his name ,but some of you may .....our streets are run by gangs not the police ,the country is run by the banks not the government.



agree or disagree ,that,s how it is .



sue ,asks a question ...why are so many leaving .

answer the question and stop such racists comments .



see you back home soon.



yorgo



give it up ,chill out and enjoy you are in a beautiful country and see you soon.



musin



long live the kktc

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 23:26

MUSIN M (mess 96)



What are you on?



Long live the UK

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 23:28

Musin M. If you think the UK has the highest cost of living in the World, you may wish to come to Barbados or go to Denmark and probably a host of other countries. I wouldn't rely on what front benchers say, never mind back benchers.



Despite statistics, the criteria used can make comparisons very subjective.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 23:30

If you really want to know what crimes are being reported/committed in your street in the UK have a look at http://www.police.uk

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 23:34

trncvictim



i,m on reality ,you should try it sometimes.





chessman



take it or leave it .



musin



long live the kktc

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 23:34

Have to say I am inclined to side with Musin on this one, Britain just isnt great anymore for all the reason he stated, the schools just begger belief.... At my grandson's school the teachers allow mobile phones in the classroom as they are too scared to confiscate them for fear of being stabbed!! Just shows what Britain has been reduced to....my daughter does not have the money to send him privately so he has no choice other than mix with these kids, UK is pretty rubbish generally there is nothing left here.....

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 23:35

It's not good here in UK guy, but I don't think it is great anywhere just now. Most of Europe have problems....we just have to dig in....

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 23:43

msg 99 hector





they amount to around 40 percent of crimes .







musin



long live the kktc

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 23:43

Musin M.



Take it or leave what? We were discussing a statement you made regarding the cost of living!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
01/02/2011 23:54

chessman



you also referred to the statement the backbencher made ,which he has spot on ,my point you raise about the cost of living is also true ,what we pay out in the uk through direct taxes and back pocket taxes, for what we get back in return makes this country the most expensive in the world .so i repeat take it or leave it.



musin



long live the kktc.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
02/02/2011 00:19

Sorry Musin but those comments are just perception which don't really have any validity without any meaningful figures and comparisons. Incidentally, here we pay up to 20% tax for any imported items on top of high VAT. Anyway I am now off to the bar to spend the equivalent of 30 pounds for 3 small bottles of beer and a gin!



Take care



Regards



Geoff

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/02/2011 08:22

North Cyprus, South Cyprus, UK, Ireland, Spain, i COULD GO ON AND ON. Crime occurs everywhere, where the population is higher, so is the crime. Whilst people covet what others have, there will be crime. Pro rata I really think that there is little difference where you live. Some countries keep better records of crimes and some refuse to acknowledge crimes. Chris is still preening himself at being called agile when he avoided being run over here and after a Police Investigation (cover up), it was deemed to 'never have happened. How often

does that happen here, so any crime records here are slewed. Do you really think that does not happen anywhere else? Just rejoice in the fact you are alive, hopefully healthy and in a position to debate the subject.

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
02/02/2011 17:13

There are a large numbers of us who do not knock the UK and who do not abuse Cyprus.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/02/2011 17:37

Healthy debate is not knocking any particular country, but we all would need rose tinted specs to believe we live in Utopia, that applies everywhere, Paradise is hopefully our last location.

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
02/02/2011 19:15

I'm not convinced that the majority of postings on this thread constitute healthy debate and I'm not aware that anybody has said we live in utopia.



People like Musin have a real grievance/s and wants everybody to know. Debate is discussing a topic, not coming out with the same old criticisms.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
02/02/2011 21:14

Has anyone challenged the original topic heading that asked 'Why are so many leaving?'



I don't think anyone has actually said 'no they're not leaving.'



Are a lot of people leaving?

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
02/02/2011 21:34

Yes they are NOT" Adventurers"they are just let down!!

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
02/02/2011 23:04

Salahi



Have emailed you

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
02/02/2011 23:43

Message 111, Hector a good point -let's see.....

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
03/02/2011 01:20

Mess 111.............no way am I leaving, I just love it here...........wait for it....!!!!!!

I am not a member of the happy chappie club, buy the way...

The grass is always greener on the other side, but you need a b;''''dy big lawnmower.

cabbage


Joined: 10/01/2011
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
03/02/2011 02:20

might have something to do with how the trnc gov officials and police handle motorists, border crossings, parking enforcement and general rise in price of almost everything. If the Brits head back to the uk they are sure in for a big surprise as smity msg 87 says

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/02/2011 07:17

Stonehousepub;



Not arrived yet!

0533 873 9181

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
03/02/2011 14:07

I think Anthony Davey 70 is wishing he could leave NC right now. Another fine example of the fine workings of the TRNC legal system.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/02/2011 16:56

cypgab



I do not think anyone on here is being deliberately obtuse. We all speak as we find. As you are aware

I am the alter ego of Pauline Read and no-one is more outspoken than she is, but even through it all still

loves the TRNC and its people.



Yes Hector a great many are leaving. More worryingly, in the past many were coming to replace them, now it is precious few of all nationalities.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
03/02/2011 21:37

cypgab



people like musin , sorry do you know me .



you stupiiiid boy pike '.





musin



long live the kktc

Hoylemiller



Joined: 03/09/2010
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
03/02/2011 23:12

There's only one reason why people leave the UK? And that is..for a better standard of living.

I realised as a normal hard working person you are always going to struggle to have a decent standard of living in the UK without fiddling the system.

I got fed up of being made redundant, and being shafted by every man and his dog, plus the Inland Revenue to relieve me of my hard earned cash.

I left the UK 1982 "ON A 3 YEAR CONTRACT" and have been Expat status ever since, definately the best decision i ever made.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 16:07

Musim m. I know TRNC VICTIM and you telling her to try reality is an insult. Robbed by Robb of her husband,

her villa, her savings. Having to return to work in the U.K. because of what that scrote did, I think she has had her fill of reality. If it were within my power I would like the rest of her life to be a 'dream'. But no, even though she has suffered incredibly, she stills campaigns for herself and others, You should have even a quarter of her courage.



A Turkish Cypriot builder living in London telling people to take it or leave it, OR DO YOU MEAN leave it, so it can be taken??

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 16:25

I will not leave I have no issues although I know others do and can appreciate that. I do wish some of the "cheap newbies" would leave they are a problem and some a disgrace in their behaviour and what they wish for.

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 16:43

I have just been through my first residency application and I found The Police in Girne helpful and polite. Everybody seems to knock the way we are treated so I thought a positive note should be given when deserved.

Oh, by the way, I will not be leaving!

goingback


Joined: 13/01/2011
Posts: 94

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 16:52

I do wish some of the "cheap newbies" would leave how patronising can you get?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 18:45

One man's patronising is another man's truthfulness - glad I am an oldbie so I dont fit in either category....

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 19:25

are you a "cheap newbie "then goingback? or if not what is your problem?

goingback


Joined: 13/01/2011
Posts: 94

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 20:40

no pugwash i am a polite civilsed golden oldie with manners.

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 20:48

Message 120 - I know you enough to know you are a constant complainer.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 22:13

cypgab



what a stupid remark ,when you read it back did you feel stupid if not you should ,you stupid boy.





long live the kktc



musin

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 01:04

Obviously struck a nerve Musin. Sit back and have a look at what has been said to you. You might learn something.

Tatty


Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 186

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 07:03

We are leaving only thing we will miss is the weather and the very goog friends we have made.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 07:17

msg 132;



I left uk,the only thing I miss is my friends!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 08:39

Yes Musin M, I agree with cypgab, was pollymarples on the button too - sleuthing is her speciality and she had a good teacher in her Aunt Jane. Oh and I do not agree cypgab should feel stupid, try reading some of your own posts. You are the one doing the complaining about us and our attitudes, sitting in your armchair in the U.K. no doubt.



Would you be the same Mush, that tried to get Pauline Read thrown off North Cyprus Free Press?



Tatty - sorry you are leaving too, I know you will have good reason. Five sets of my friends have left in the last month, that is just in my circle of friends. Not a good omen for this island we all love so.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 13:27

whats with all this



"long live the KFC" ???

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 16:24

msg 131 ,134,135



here we go ,i have upset you guys ,out come the racist comments .



polymarples let me assure you this island as you say will be here long after you have gone and your friends.



ladyboy aka nn what does kfc stand for .





musin



long live the kktc

Meerkat


Joined: 21/01/2011
Posts: 368

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 20:48

I feel sad that such a lovely Island has just got so many problems it has become a very expensive place to live with a family. There are many issues here & some of the damage has been caused by some very greedy property developers who have basically just conned people & this has caused great damage to new investors & home buyers. It will take along time to gain peoples trust & money in the island. I do feel for the people who came out here to make a happy retirement or future for their families & have ended up with very little left.

trncoldboy


Joined: 02/02/2009
Posts: 182

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 21:58

Hi All,

My wife and I were associated with the trnc between 1982 and the early 90s. We rented accommodation in various places . We worked in a Casino and we even managed a Bar in Girne for a short while. We were not blessed with having much money to our name . However, our honesty and understanding of the Local problems ensured that we really had a fantastic time there. We returned to the UK in 1989 absolutely penniless , to a very difficult few years thereafter.

I feel that there are many pros and cons to this situation.

No matter who you are, we ALL make mistakes in this Life. It depends a lot on how BIG these mistakes are. I have a lot of sympathy for those people who were hoodwinked out of their dream retirements. This happens to a greater or lesser extent elsewhere.

I was treated very well by the Turkish Cypriot community , and I have been treated well by the UK system.

ADAPT to where you are , enjoy the good aspects and learn from others .

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 22:12

I agree with msg 138 you have to adapt, change your system and not depend on the islands system. Load of cash to be made here if you got the foresight and an eye for detail. Just don't invest in expensive cars and let the ego blind you of all the possibilities that are out there.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 22:16

Message 138. The last sentence says it all. Good post.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 22:21

msg 138



i concur with no 1 ,,,the last sentence says it all .



well said.



musin



long live the kktc

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
06/02/2011 09:23

Musim m still no real answers,

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
06/02/2011 20:14

The last sentence could equally apply to the TRNC government.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 21:02

Hey Guys, RELAX !! Many seem to have a case of the winter blues, All countries have their problems just as everybody has problems in life !! The thing is Not to let bad things overwhelm you - any day you wake up without a pain is a good day !! Look forward not backwards - Peace and Good Health to All .

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 09:30

What a load of twaddle, this island and the U.K. will be here long after we have ALL gone Musim, so tell us something we dont know.



EamanMc. Yeh look forward, K5 to being homeless, 1400 in the auction queue, I am sure they are looking forward too. Let's not let the bad things overwhelm us, buy a tent.!! My vote goes to you as the Infernal Optimist of the decade..

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 17:59

Polly Baby,



"I'd rather be a hammer than a nail "

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 18:04

Does anyone really know just how many British expats are living full time in the TRNC? Are auctions busy selling the possessions of those leaving? Are removal companies busier taking peoples belongings back to the UK as opposed to in to the TRNC?

berilela


Joined: 17/07/2010
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 18:11

hey you i have a house due to go auction you really are a total p...t

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 18:28

Hector sounds to me as though he is a very nice Greek Cypriot boy trying to wind you up. You should be ashamed of yourself you lowlife swine of dubious parentage. If I am allowed to say that, that is.

berilela


Joined: 17/07/2010
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 18:31

i was talking bout Eamonnmc

goingback


Joined: 13/01/2011
Posts: 94

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 18:42

we have an honorable t/c vendor he only wants 20k extra Behzal. H. NalÇkanoĞlu 03928512706 or 0533 8612706 ak tad market a man of honor and integrity a shining light to all turkish cypriots .

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 19:01

maybe the brits are fed up at being 3rd class citizens in a 3rd wold country ??









just come back from the KFC.......

tonyf


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 19:01

This practice is not just in TRNC. If you look at Spain and Portugal property prices have nose dived and many expats are desperate to get the hell out. First it was land grab and now it is corrupt spanish builders lawyers etc.



Unfortunately the property boom caused greed and to a degree nievity right across the western world.



We have had properties in Spain and TRNC but always keep a bolt hole in the very expensive, but relatively uncorrupt UK.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 19:03

Yfred

An apology is warranted, I think.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 19:15

If you dont like - leave.

Appears a lot of people still like it here - warts and all.

Again, things start getting personal, insults ,abuse - what does expect on here!!!



Good original topic and question, now just personal attacks!!

get a life here, or there, or wherever you wish you could be

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 19:20

msg 152 the kfc remark ,,,,,







i promise if i ever meet up with you ,i will remove your teeth .





musin





long live the kktc

SaraP


Joined: 30/04/2008
Posts: 295

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 20:14

Its a dump at the end of the day...i can't wait to leave!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 20:45

YFred...msg 149



Oh come on Fred....you can do better than that.



You seem like an intelligent bloke....don't resort to the idiots default setting ie accusing anyone who dare criticise aspects of the TRNC of being a Greek Cypriot !

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 20:48

Musin...msg 156



You need to update your profile...it still says Builder and not Dentist !

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 20:58

mess 156 - Muslin old fella, no wonder people are leaving the place in droves with morons like you inhabiting the place...........





mess 157 - Sara - deserves a Neg Nick award for "telling it how it is" - they had a chance to really take the trnc to a new level, but all they have done is to shaft the people who have invested and do little to make the place attractive to tourists....



nut as more and more people are leaving andmore and more potential purchasers are put off by previous purchaser's experiences - the place can only really go one way - an it ain't up.........













and long live the KFC - Mrs Monger swears by the family bucket.....

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 21:04

does 90 containters going out and 7 coming in tell you anything. That was up to october last year now due to dumped dogs we all see around whats the true figure

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 21:26

mess 161 - you'll be able to turn your place into a soup kitchen soon, Lilli.............

Enchanted


Joined: 20/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 21:37

I suspect that if you are a foreigner living in another mans country (wherever that may be) and don't speak the lingo, then you will be treated with some contempt. I suspect if your skin is black its harder still. Foreign migrants have forced up prices of land and property making it near impossible for local families in the TRNC to survive. What most of us loved about the TRNC has now gone, ruined by gready unscrupulous people who are happy to ruin and trample on anybody that stand in there way. This is what money does to any society.However, sun still shines, the beautiful flowers and olive trees are still there, so enjoy while you can...........life is short. xx

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 21:46

mess 163 - there is a big difference between contempt and 3rd class..............



the poor folk who bought in the initial rush - then poor folk who were in the wave behind them (and listened to th1st wave what an excellent decission they'd made) - didn't honestly know what they'd let themselves in for.......



we were in the norm lured by cheap prices - but the build quality in general was just that - cheap - when you factor in the land issue - the property isn't that cheap..............



i sincerely hope tat people considering coming to live in the trnc do loads and loads of research soas not to make the mistakes that so many have............. .

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 22:03

SeraP (mess 157)



It certainly has been the dumping ground for EU vermin! I thank my god everyday I'm not there and so far I don't need a Dentist! and will never need a TRNC lawyer again, they took everything I have, along with the vermin the Government let reside there! for what? just a quick fix! that in the end got them nothing!

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 22:03

Cronos, you did not understand what I said. I have never attacked anybody which criticizes TRNC. I do it myself when ever I am there. I objected to the way he was asking question to people who are obviously in trouble. I have no doubt who he is and what he is up to. I have met too many. At best he was being insensitive at worst he is who I said he was. I stand by it.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 22:06

mess 165 - every dog will have its day.............................

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 22:11

Enchanted states ' Migrants have forced up the price of property' excuse me Enchanted don't you mean the people selling the land/property have forced up the prices. Local greed. Stop always blaming the foreigners and proclaiming the poor innocent locals.



In 1999 I bought a 1.5 donum plot of land for £13,000. Alocal then bought an adjacent plot of 1.5 donums he paid £4000. So how was I responsible for doing locals out of a chance to buy land?

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 22:33

YFred

I'm still waiting for an apology.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 23:09

Periodically I have to go to the top of the page to remind myself exactly what the title of this thread was.

TonyE

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 23:20

YFred...msg 166



By all means pass comment on people's opinions....it is a public forum after all.



But don't be lazy and use the tired old "GC sympathiser" cliche....it's frankly ridiculous.



Hector is NOT a GC....I can 100% guarantee it....but he has unfortunately been at the receiving end of the state sponsored corruption in the TRNC, so is both entitled and qualified to speak as he finds.



He's politely asked you for an apology twice....I think you owe him that.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 23:21

msg 160



a promise is a promise i know what you look like ,that,s the bad side of facebook old fella .



oh and i live closer to you then you think.





musin



long live the kktc

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 23:22

mess 170 - i think it was "who would be bonkers enough to live in the middle of no where in a 3rd world country with an uncertain future, in a shoddily built villa thats freezing cold for 5 months a year and boiling hot for 2 - but still be happy and cheery about it"





PS; how far from the local KFC ??

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 23:35

nn



do you dye your hair to make you look younger or just so you can look stupid .







musin



long live the kktc

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 00:22

Message 170 - short term memory loss?

hodgeliz


Joined: 16/10/2010
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 00:36

Carmel is quite happy - she got a great deal

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 10:23

Hey Nick, guess that thread title could fit myself....but I can't help wondering why people who have left a place they so obviously hated, keep posting the same old derogatory statements that we have heard before. May I ask why you do it and not move into a new life? I would have thought with your travels into the Pacific that you would have enough adventures to keep you busy for years.



Cypgab, yes you could be right, at 63 one has learned a lot and forgotten some too!



TonyE

Sundance


Joined: 15/07/2010
Posts: 213

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 10:59

If you think they are leaving Cyprus Fast,have a look at Spain, A good friend of mine has bought there,the Euro

Fxxxed them and many can,t get out quick enough.



Sundance

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 12:26

I have finally given in and come on this amazing long thread. Moderators, don't you think it's tme to close all this rubbish.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 13:55

Stella....why do you consider this thread rubbish?



It is asking the reasons why people are choosing to leave North Cyprus.......which they undoubtedly are !



OK, some of the posts stray off the mark...but don't they on every thread ?

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 14:58

Message 179 - my sentiments also.

goingback


Joined: 13/01/2011
Posts: 94

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 15:20

inherent racism



uncontrolled corruption



unscrupulous lawyers



rising utility prices



soaring inflation



interests rates fallen from 27.5% - 8%



lack of any official help / rights for non t/cs WE ARE visitors & SHOULD BE GRATEFUL we are allowed to be here attitude .



my husband being told you are doing good despite him not being well and being in constant pain .

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 15:32

Goingback.....well done for getting this back on track and voicing your own opinions.

goingback


Joined: 13/01/2011
Posts: 94

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 15:37

Oh and to add insult to injury



he has to have an aids / clap / tb test each year to stay here .

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 17:13

Hector,

"Are auctions busy selling the possessions of those leaving? Are removal companies busier taking peoples belongings back to the UK as opposed to in to the TRNC? "



This is the bit found quite disgusting. Asking question like that to people who are suffering? Have you tried going up to the family of the deceased at a funeral and asking them how many funerals have they had recently and were the prices comparable.

Apology?

You are joking right?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 17:26

Nige

Message 184

In the last nearly 30 years of my working life I have had to have a medical (full) in nearly every country that I have lived and worked in just to satisfy the various immigration departments.

So if you think it is tough in the TRNC then I would suggest you try going to another country outside of the EU and see how you get on.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 18:03

YFRED.....msg 185



Hector's questions are nothing like the funeral analogy that you painfully try to force on us.



His question was of a statistical nature, asking for figures relating to the businesses of auction houses and shipping companies to establish whether there was more movement out rather than in to the TRNC.



Don't try to twist people's words to suit your own agenda.



They say it takes a big man to apologise......well there you go !

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 18:22

Stellastar1, Instead of suggesting a thread is closed because you dont like it, exercise your right NOT to read it. There you are, problem solved.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 18:25

Cronos if I do something wrong, by all means I would apologise, but having read about the anxiety people are feeling on this forum about losing their homes or fighting builders etc, if I was one of those people losing my home and I came against that I would would tell him where to get off. I have seen Greek Cypriots doing this kind of activity very well which is why I suspected he was one.

If he was after statistical facts, all he had to do is use some other method than asking those who are affected. I think those who are affected have enough to be upset about without having to be reminded of their pain.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 19:05

RE msg 180, : (...) Stella....why do you consider this thread rubbish? It is asking the reasons why people are choosing to leave North Cyprus.......which they undoubtedly are ! (...)

▶ It's rubbish because it's only interesting to know/read the reasons why people still arrive here - and they do. I won't miss the defectors for one minute for most of the reasons given. I LIKE IT HERE.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 19:07

Yfred....msg 189



If all the anxious people in the TRNC wanted to avoid any further distress via reminders of their situation on here, then they wouldn't log on to Cyprus 44 at all



If the anxious people didn't log on then the membership would drop by more than half and this place would be just another happy clappy, head in the sand, rose tinted specs, keep your blinkers on, don't upset the applecart type forum........and who would want that ?



By the way, Hector IS one of the unfortunate anxious people who is feeling the pain !



Anyway, I don't know why I appointed myself as Hector's bodyguard...he certainly didn't ask me...so that's me done on this matter.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 19:27

........and you wander why our neighbours call you all the names.



I now know what I'd from now on every time I see an English person in TRNC.............





BAW to you for being here in TRNC!











PS.Above comments only applies to concerned ones,others no need to reply.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 19:47

I am grateful to cronos for fighting my corner, so thank you. He is right about being one of those feeling the pain.



My question was as cronos pointed out, a statistical one, do those support the statement that people are leaving?



Quite why, YFred, you then decided to defame me with 'Hector sounds to me as though he is a very nice Greek Cypriot boy trying to wind you up. You should be ashamed of yourself you lowlife swine of dubious parentage.'



I quote cronos 'They say it takes a big man to apologise......well there you go !'

goingback


Joined: 13/01/2011
Posts: 94

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 19:59

DutchCrusadersays I LIKE IT HERE he like the destruction of monuments he enjoys the blatant discrimination ? he loves the double standards we all encounter on a daily basis, we all enjoy the relaxed life style the 4 months of not to hot sunshine. BUT

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 20:16

RE msg 194, goingback: Yesterday and today I met some very positive minded Cypriot Turks. Like me they realise that you don't change old facts of daily local life by moaning and whinging, doing nothing - or goingback. I try to do my little bit and almost all you wrote in your msg 194 is bitter, disappointed nonsense. In my opinion. I LIKE IT HERE.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 20:55

DutchCrusader (mess 195)



You obviously LIKE IT THERE and I hope you continue to enjoy IT THERE! the trouble is there are many bitter victims of the TRNC who may whinge and moan, but have that right because they have been treated abominably! that doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy what you have got, I know you understand other's problems! but my bitterness towards the TRNC will never wane, and sadly many feel the same way.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 21:08

Msg 195,



It's interesting to see foreigners talking about "Turks of Cyprus" - especially since President Erdogan appears to have stopped using the term! Can't think why.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 21:45

it,s not just the tc,s that some of you ex patriots have a go at ,it,s any one who dares to say anything nice about the place or if someone says they do not want to leave or they like the place.



why are so many leaving ,i say it,s only the one,s that don,t want to be here,so why when you leave you have such anomosity towards every aspect of the kktc ,the builders and the conmen maybe ,but why everything else.



i know this will upset some of you ,however with or without you the kktc will always be here long after any of us are here.



so for all those people who are not leaving i say this ,,,,,,,,,,,,enjoy your lives.



musin



long live the kktc

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 21:48

Musin...are you seriously suggesting that the only problem with the TRNC is a few dodgy builders and conmen?



Because if that was the case then surely the TRNC laws ( based on English Law ) would protect us wouldn't it?



Then again, maybe not !

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 21:55

cronos



then leave ,what else can anyone say to you .







musin





long live the kktc

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 21:55

Almost 6000 views.....this thread is oviously of interest to many people.



However it will soon fall foul of the 200 post rule so all you who like to stifle debate and avoid any perceived negativity towards anything about the TRNC can breath a sigh of relief !