Marash (Varosha)

NOBLE


Joined: 11/08/2008
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:23

Has anyone actually been inside Marash. I only saw it from Palm Beach Hotel and was fascinated by it. I know now you can walk up the beach a little further than in previous years.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:29

Noble,

Do you mean Varosha.I have only been as far as the fence where the sentry box is.It really took my breath away.Such an eerie feeling.Dont think you can legally get any closer.Think Pikey mentioned something on here though about behind the fence but i could be wrong,

Paul.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:33

Joe Public is not allowed in other than by special invitation. My Brother-in-Law went there back in the 80's (Forces at the time).



If you want more information there is a forum here http://groups.msn.com/ReturntoVaroshaFamagustaCyprus/ where you will find lots of before and after photos.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:40

asil

go on too you tube and you will see that some people have been in and have posted it. you can also view maras before and after.

there is still some of the maras that turkish people live in ,

i have friends that live there.



musin

long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:42

Noble,



It is an amazing experience being inside but it's not for the faint hearted. two members on this board that I know of have made several trips.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:44

Musin,

Please excuse my ignorance but are Varosha and Maras the same place,



Paul.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:45

Pikey,

What a memory i thought i has read somewhere that you had been in.I bet you were cacking em.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:52

newlad,



It is the same place, just Greek and Turkish names. Maras is pretty big but it's the coastal-facing part that's fenced off. Yes, you could say it's a dry mouth experience but one to remember, that's for sure.

NOBLE


Joined: 11/08/2008
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:52

Cheers Musin

Would be amazing to see inside. Heard there is still a car dealership in there with new vehicles from 1974! Must be the only town on the planet to be deserted in its current state!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 23:11

Noble,



No, that was me replying! As for the car showroom it's an urban myth. The place people talk about is actually in an underground car park in Nicosia, trapped in the BZ. A shipment of Toyotas had just been landed at Famagusta when the Turks invaded and the buyer had them moved to safety in Nicosia - where they ended up between both ceasefire lines. A lot of them have been vandalised by squaddies but one is in pristine condition, restored by City Troop of UNFICYP. I took loads of pictures when I was attached to the UN.



As for Varosha the entire place was sytematically looted by the Turkish army from 1974-76. Areas were sectioned off and valuables from houses and commercial premises loaded onto trucks and shipped over to Mersin for sale and auction. The UN took lots of pictures of white goods, TVs, hi-fis and all the rest being stolen and disappearing to Turkey. You can still see the numbers daubed on the wall and Turkish conscripts graffiti with dates. Mind blowing.

NOBLE


Joined: 11/08/2008
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 23:30

Fascinating Pikey. Interesting to see what the future brings. Although I imagine it can only be knocked down and rebuilt. Wouldnt't like to stroll through there at night!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
15/09/2008 23:56

Noble,



You sure get strange noises after dark! I agree some will have to get knocked down. You'll have seen the one hit by the Turkish F1-11 jet that's part collapsed and burned out. Go a little further in and some have lesser damage and many are shuttered and locked. When you get to the residential areas the houses would need a major renovation but are liveable. It would make a good post-apocalypse film set.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 00:25

I took a photograph of a ruined hotel and ended up in Famagusta Police Station.



Be careful.



Lem

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 01:14

Off topic here sorry, but you just reminded me of another find, of vintage cars in a sealed off warehouse. The new owner didnt know til he opened it, full of 100's of vintage cars. here's the story:



http://www.automotiveblogger.net/incredible-barn-find-in-portugal/

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 01:48

Turbo,



That's exactly what the stranded Toyotas look like - covered in dust from 1974 but shiny and new underneath, plastic still over the seats and delivery mileage. Dealership chalk writing on the windows as well.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 01:55

Lem msg13,



Needless to say extreme care should be taken at all times. The real deal isn't for anybody who isn't fairly fit upper body-wise and quick on their feet if needs be. It's not one for thrill seekers given TR troops carry live rounds in there.



Did they delete the images, BTW?

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 07:36

Here you are some pics of my sworay into Varosha



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/58907334_989628cfcb_b.jpg



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/58908614_96fba0c4fa_b.jpg

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 07:39

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/58907126_9da7048339_b.jpg



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/31/58907829_8beba07d7b_b.jpg



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/58908183_f863435965_b.jpg



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/79/246330080_efe60d2b3b_b.jpg



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/246330082_d52fd144a6_b.jpg

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 10:02

Great pictures Nige. Got any more to share with us?

kiwikid


Joined: 18/08/2008
Posts: 496

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 10:14

I've been in four or five times now, when my husband was doing his army service he was the driver for a big commander, we were invited for dinner a few times in the officer restautant area. And once when i was teaching the school had there end of year party there. It really is not as hard to get in to if you know the right people.

The place as you drive through is very sad, and I can honestly say I didn't see any home that could still be lived in unless they had some serious work done on them. And none that were still locked up.

The beach area is beautful, and the sea is stunning.

Angela

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 20:01

If caught in there would you be shot,no questions asked or led away from the area,

Paul.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 20:12

i remember my mum and dad telling me not long after they formed the green line, they made the mistake in actually driving in to marash where the big crane is where they was developing a hotel because they still did construct all the barriers they said they got about 15yards in and out popped snipers from the buildings and soldiers came running out with guns my dad spoke to them and they said reverse back cos its a restriced area so he did



but i must say when i was younger we always used to play on the beach and the fencing that was erected had holes so we used to go and play on the other side like it was a big adventure and we never got caught!!!! lol

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 20:18

Hi Erkan,

Hope you are well matey.I have heard stories,but didnt know if they were true about people actually being shot for trespass.Just wondered if anyone knew.It certainly stopped me in my tracks when i was there in June this year.Such a shame that the area cannot be re-built,

Paul.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 20:26

hi paul

yeah im cool mate i have never heard of anyone getting shot i must admit have taken many pics and so have my friends who actually did their service im maras very spooky place you know what i wud like it to be turned into a one big museum so a negative can be turned into a postive thru education!!!!

regards

erkan

NOBLE


Joined: 11/08/2008
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 20:34

Hi Erkan

A museum would be a great idea. It would be the only one in the world. Or even hired out as a film set. If there is no peace agreement the governmnet must decide on its best use, Would cost an absolute fortune to demolish and reconstruct.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 20:35

take a look at this i cant access it cos youtube is banned in turkey at the moment it descibes it as secret camera taken in to maras

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPZeJ9pSTTs&feature=related

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 20:38

Erkan,

When you say a museum would you like to leave it more a less as it is now then.Obviously some of the buildings would have to be pulled down.for safety reasons.Perhaps there could be a Turk cyp and greek cyp as tour guides.How about you and pikey,lol.

Best Regards,

Paul.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 20:40

Erkan,

Why is you tube banned in Turkey,

Paul.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 21:01

now this is not any propaganda before some of our members say anything cos i have see it with my own eyes!!!!

a lot of posts and videos have been posted on youtube from greece,u.s,austaralia thats damm right offensive to turkey and the turks like anti attaturk videos and many more and they cant control it so they banned it till they put some sort of control on it

erkan

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 21:13

Thanks Erkan,

Sounds like an honest answer to me.Back on the very interesting thread grown ups,

Paul.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 21:17

kiwikid: "It really is not as hard to get in to if you know the right people.The place as you drive through is very sad, and I can honestly say I didn't see any home that could still be lived in unless they had some serious work done on them."



If you have a contact in the TR forces they may let you in escorted, but I doubt they would have let you out of their sight. They would take you through on the regular patrol road (with no stopping allowed) to the bits they still use. The real ghost town can only be accessed clandestinely. Rest assured many of the commercial properties are shuttered and locked and there are houses which would clearly be liveable with full renovation.



Some of my pics:



http://groups.msn.com/ReturntoVaroshaFamagustaCyprus/behindenemylines.msnw?Page=1

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 22:25

susanne

where i choose to live is my buisness and nothing do with you!!!!!



secondly its called censorship which exists all over the world if it was britain and people were posting anti queen and far right wing messages on you tube they would ban it aswell, belive you me if people were posting rubbish about greece's prime minister eleftherios venizelos who was around the same time as ataturk and was prob greece most famous leaders aswell as king constantine, greece would ban it aswell

so before you try and twist what i am saying ONCE AGAIN know what you are talking about!!!!



so talk about the subject at hand maras instead commenting how sorry you feel for me, if you wanna feel sorry for something feel sorry for the t.c's what they have gone thru from lets say your idea of when the cyprus problem started 74 to present day with all the bans and embargos!!!

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 22:50

paul

i dont mean the whole of maras just certain parts and you cant have the dangerous properties there they will have to be torn down



sue thats the problem you always think inside of the box!!!! why is it such a joke if marash was opened up between the turkish and greeks to show and educate the outside world what the whole of the cypriot race went thru, most dangerous areas can be cleaned up some money pumped in to the area for new developments homes, shops and then tourists who want to learn about history while seeing it for their own eyes will come!!!

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
16/09/2008 23:56

I'm surprised that the film company who were doing a series on "Life after People" didn't apply for peremission to film there.



Here's the link,



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZFzmpv0js&feature=related



Lem

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 00:20

lem,



I reckon they probably tried and got a refusal. TR does not want more bad publicity.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 01:00

susanne,



Very sad pics indeed. The one taken from a roof looking over Varosia to the seafront was particularly poignant. BTW - I reunited the picture of the baby and the schoolbooks after tracing the child - now an architect in Washington DC! He was amazed to get this stuff as well as a picture of his house. Wish I'd the time to help more people. Somehow I feel many refugees from both sides will be back before too long.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 01:25

uk turk



very intresting.

kiwikid


Joined: 18/08/2008
Posts: 496

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 11:33

If you have a contact in the TR forces they may let you in escorted, but I doubt they would have let you out of their sight. They would take you through on the regular patrol road (with no stopping allowed) to the bits they still use. The real ghost town can only be accessed clandestinely. Rest assured many of the commercial properties are shuttered and locked and there are houses which would clearly be liveable with full renovation.





Pike

As I said I HAVE been in, the first time my husband just showed his ID and ask if we could drive around for a bit, we were given half an hour. this was before he had done his anrmy service and knew no one, I didn't even have any ID. When my husband was in the service again we went a few times, our name was on the check point and we were given direction on when to go. no escorts or orders to go directly there.

The School trip I mention was for a school in Lefkosa I was teaching at, me, twenty teachers and about 250 kids. No escorts, no armed guard just 3 big buses.

So I can honestly say I have seen a great deal of the ghost town. And never saw one biulding that was still locked up, even the photos you post show that.

You are right it is a very sad and depressing place, but have never heard of anyone being shot at. And except for a few very young Lads doing there national service, you'll not see any snippers or specail forces there.

Angela

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 13:20

kiwikid,



If you only go on the regular patrol track you will not see hidden Varosha, only the bits you are allowed to see and pass through. That is why you have not seen the locked up commercial premises, of which there are many in the streets off and around Kennedy Avenue. My picture of New Smoky Joe's restaurant is of a place that is well and truly locked and shuttered, with the menu still up on the window. You can ask the TR authorities to let you go down there but the answer is sure to be no. Also, I didn't suggest there were any snipers on duty. Only the fantasists claim that. There are regular troops on duty with rifles and side arms in certain places and their magazines are loaded with live rounds. This is not the case in many places near the CFL where if you look closely you will see troops carrying rifles without magazines. This has come about as a result of too many itchy trigger fingers in the past.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:12

Used to swim at the Palm Beach Hotel when working in Famagust/'Magusa in 2000 with an American lady who who worked at the Uni. One day she told me

that she had met a woman who took her by car into the Marash/Varoosha

and was very excited about it. Really strange and awesome was how she

described it. I don't know how they got in. We then met a German lady who

told us of being on the same beach years ago & saw Makarios coming down

to bless the waters.

Remli


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 12:26

Nige



Love your photos but I thought these two were a little wierd







http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/58908183_f863435965_b.jpg







http://farm1.static.flickr.com/79/246330080_efe60d2b3b_b.jpg



Is it just me or are they the same photo and if so why does the shutter on the left have some slats opened in one photo and then some closed in the other??



As I say fantastic photos but those 2 wierded me out a little!!!

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 12:40

Remli, you are so right, I put the photo's side by side and flicked from one to the other, the shutters open and close! Weird, and scary!

Vicki

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 16:31

Hi Remli how are you me darlin. You are right thought it was my eyes. It is scary Take care miss you xxxxxx

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 19:12

When I have looked at this again, I think it could be the light or more shadow playing tricks, if you watch the tiled roof something happens their too!

Vicki

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 21:31

Look closeley at the roof Vicky and you will see the scousers knicking the lead,

Paul.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 22:48

Read Mathew Clarke's 'Cyprus Tapes'. A good read and informative about Varosha.



Richard

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
23/04/2009 23:34

Can I have some of what you're on? I compared the photos and they are identical.



Are we talking about the big window on the left as you look at the picture?



Its the other one that has the shutters, so have we got left and right mixed up here?



Lem

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 08:34

wow they do , not sure what is going on there , lem it is the window with one bar across and shutters on the next bit.



They open and close ...........spooky

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 10:48

Anyone also noticed the cracked concrete on the right looks like a woman with folded ams talking to someone inside!

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 14:16

Good old Maras.......if only somebody had the guts to open the damn city.



If you're luck enough to have a military card, you can gain full access. But until that day, the closest you will get to it is Palm beach hotel.

You used to be able to walk along most of the beach of Maras, until it was closed, i presume for security reasons.



Apparently (and i doubt this), the old Greek banks still contain old cash in the safes, alongside gold. (under the guard of un personel).

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 23:06

Are the buildings on Turkish title or exchange,lol

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 23:37

I have read that most of the land was Islamic land. Although most of the houses, hotels, shops and bars were GC owned. The TC's made their money from the freehold leases. I have also seen this disputed on some of the other forums.



Would be interested to know the facts.

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 23:41

yes i been in there many times , a few yrs back you could show ur british passport and get in , but they stopped that since then you can only get in with army mates , so i been theres the most amazing beach there , best ive seen in cyprus ,

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/05/2009 23:42

Hi Sue long time no hear hope you are well.It would be interesting and a great bargaining point for the northe= if it,or part of it where turkish land.That would open a can of worms,

Paul.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 02:03

Hi Paul,

It is more of a bargaining point than people think. The whole area would of course need demolition and development. This would bring jobs, grants, investment etc.



It has always been the TRNC'S trump card and they have offered it to the GC's several times in the past as part of the negotiations. The problem is that if it is Turkish land the GC's would have to pay leaseholds to the TC's and that just wouldn't make the GC's happy. It would infringe on their ongoing plan to financially starve the TRNC.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
11/05/2009 23:54

And then no doubt someone would invent a ruling to say that the land belongs to the gcs,just cant win,

Paul.

AtlasStreet


Joined: 08/06/2010
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
08/06/2010 18:09

I lived in Varosha for 2 years prior to the invasion - It was a real gem of a tourist town bustling with bars, hotels and restaurants

Sazna


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 1177

Message Posted:
09/06/2010 07:52

Another video here, interesting.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKrfcpUVaw&feature=related

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
09/06/2010 10:01

I was stationed at Ayios Nik in the early 60s. I thought it was the best town on the island.

marcosthechef



Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 646

Message Posted:
09/06/2010 10:28

I met an old English guy 6 years ago who was over here to try and get his kocan on an apartment he had in Verosha, he bought it in 1971, from what he was saying, he was very close to getting the kocan, what he thought was, that when something happens with the place, then his gran children will get owner ship of the property and it will have some value, but he wasnt expecting it to happen in his lifetime.



The opening of Verosha will be another big property fight with the GCs & TCs and we know how good they all are at that !!

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 15:28

the property of the TCs in varosia is only 10% so there is no need for a fight or any fight what is belong to them they will get it .we know what is right and wrong ,does anyone refuse to give any tcs land in the south?

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 15:36

yes unless they move or live in the south,or a airport built on it larnaca lol

tracer


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Posts: 442

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 15:43

They have an option where is the option for the 200,000 refuges .

catalkoykid


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Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 15:48

what option move into the terminal

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 15:55

tracer

A couple of important points that maybe you have missed.

1: When refugee status is passed down through GC families then it should not count. Tell me how many true refugees from the South are still alive today?

2: It already has been proven that title deeds in the South have been altered/falsified to give ownership to GC's when TC's are the true owners of the land. So please tell me how you arrive at 10% TC ownership in Varosha?

AJ

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 15:56

also any government has the right to expropriate any land for public proposes so that is not an issue.

tracer


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Posts: 442

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 16:22

If anybody have altered/falsified a title is illegal . two people are in jail because of that ,its in phileleftheros today .



about the 10% maybe i was wrong people from that area (varoshia closed area) they told me that tc land was outside of the closed territory . if i learn something new i will tell you.



as i know the refugees status never stop counts(right or wrong) if the property is pass for father to son etc the land still belong to them maybe is right not to be consider as refugees but the land ownership still remains.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 16:56

tracer

So do you agree that your figure of and I quote '200,000 refuges' is incorrect?

Also I know of 27 TC families that live in my location in the TRNC that were displaced from Paphos that can prove that their title deeds held in the South have been falsified to show GC ownership (I have seen copies of their original title deeds). Unfortunately I think you are another GC that has fallen foul of your own countries propaganda machine.

AJ

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 17:41

tracer

'also any government has the right to expropriate any land for public proposes so that is not an issue.'



Of course it is an issue, can you tell me whether any of the TC owners of this 'expropriated' land were ever compensated? I know the answer to that already but I await your reply.

AJ

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
11/06/2010 18:32

1 IF THEY DIDENT THEY SHOULD COMPENSATED this is my opinion cause

2. 200,000 is the number from 1974 if the 2nd or 3nd generation are consider refugees for politics is not my job to tell (Im not a refuge) .



3 Its hart to believe TC who held original deeds are unable to take /compensate for their land



4 Im not a propaganda guy i can read and write and make my conclusions right or wrong i dont want to be injustice for any person of my country TC or GC we all are cypriots

MartinM


Joined: 03/10/2009
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
12/06/2010 08:40

Hello tracer



While I do believe you are genuine in your posts and that you mean well, some of your statistics are questionable. Unfortunately this is one of the problems in the "Cyprus Problem". Information given is usually biased one way or the other and so those of us who have "researched" the data , like AlsancakJack, probably feel that you need to do a little more research into the history of the "Problem" before making more errors. For example, you quote 200,000 refugees. From the data I have seen it was closer to 160,000 Greek Cypriot refugees and about 80,000 Turkish Cypriot refugees. You might argue the fact that any number of refugees was a bad thing in the first place and so the actual number is irrelevent, but most serious posters would like to see serious data before before taking you seriously.



Good luck in your research, and keep posting.

pennyandmark


Joined: 29/12/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
12/06/2010 21:26

My husband, son and I visited Verosha about 3 years ago, after reading that visitors are occasionally allowed in.



After driving around for a while (lost), we finally arrived at the gate and were told that we had turn around and go back. A London/Turkish soldier then asked if we were lost. I asked if I could go in and after a few moments and telephone call, he took our passports and allowed us to go in and to walk until we were met the armed policeman that had been told that we were going in. The solider and policeman were both very nice.



We didn’t get that far in and it was very sad and poignant.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
15/06/2010 23:51

supposed to be able to get a good view of the area from a boat trip?? where do they leave from , how long is the trip, how much and who provides the service?

NorthCyprus


Joined: 18/01/2011
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 16:54

THE PROOF OF THEFTS OF GREEK CYPRIOTS IN VAROSHA VIA THE ORIGINAL TITLE DEEDS THAT BELONGS TO TURKISH CYPRIOTS:



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#1: THE THEFT OF YORGI PANAYI (A GREEK CYPRIOT)

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15.09.1913: Yorgi Panayi (A Greek Cypriot) RENTS a property from Abdullah Pasha Vakfi (of Turkish Cypriots).



Then, Yorgi Panayi inherits the property THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM to his children:

Yorgi, Elengau, Christinau, Constanti.

HERE IS THE FULL TITLE DEED THAT SHOWS THE THEFT OF THE GREEK CYPRIOT IN VAROSHA:

http://www.mediafire.com/i/?nbg7b19q6rlr27y

NorthCyprus


Joined: 18/01/2011
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 16:54

THE PROOF OF THEFTS OF GREEK CYPRIOTS IN VAROSHA VIA THE ORIGINAL TITLE DEEDS THAT BELONGS TO TURKISH CYPRIOTS:



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#2: THE THEFT OF VAROSHA MUNICIPALITY (THEN ADMINISTERED BY GREEK CYPRIOTS)

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The Varosha Municipality RENTS an area from Abdullah Pasha Vakfi in 1913 to construct a slaughterhouse. Later, Varosha Municipality REGISTERS the area THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE MUNICIPALITY to its own name ILLEGALLY.



HERE IS THE FULL TITLE DEED THAT SHOWS THE THEFT OF THE GREEK CYPRIOT VAROSHA MUNICIPALITY:

http://www.mediafire.com/i/?cz6ys4chgnql3cu

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 18:43

re msg 74/75



'theft' of TCs property



and what did Abdullah Pasha Vakfi do?



Bear in mind - back in 1913 - the UK administered Cyprus for the Crown - are you suggesting that Abdullah had less rights than any GC in the eyes of the British ?

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
18/01/2011 19:09

you are allowed into Varosh unless you are greek. If you follow the perimeter round from Palm Beach to the right and at the obvious soldier point, surrender your passports and camersas, you are then allowed to walk as far as t the icon museum and visit it. This is in the prohibited area. I have done this on several occasions, the soldiers are lovely, polite and friendly but you do not have "free to roam" rights and can only see what you can see from the limited area.