Dmonstrations at the TRNC

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 13:05

Well what do you know. 30000 people demonstrating in the TRNC has started the collapse of the biggest empire in the world.

First it was Tunisa, then Egypt and the rest. One by one the US is being ousted from all the countires under their influence.

I see parallels in the Gadansk Ship yard demonstration and the fall of the Russian empire. We live in very itneresting times.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 13:25

They're comin' to take you away, Ha-Haaa!

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 13:35

What's the matter Dutch, you not happy?

Why is Obama talking to Mubarak?

Who is Obama going to put in charge in Egypt?

Should this be not an Egyptian decision alone?



Come now, lighten up a bit some will you. It really is not that bad. Future looks bright.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 13:53

I'm bl**dy happy! It's raining at our location in TRNC, YFred. Leave us alone. We're celebrating to have water from the mains in August.

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 14:02

Re msg 1



Oh, my dear red comrade, your parallels are such amazing but please cool down your excitement. In my history lessons at school the Russian empire existed until 1917, i.e. some 60 years before Solidarity was founded. And hey, where is the Egyptian Walesa?





N.B. The first was Iran...

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 14:08

Hans,which August? 2011?

Mike

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 14:43

You guys have not learned the prayers for the raindance on top of 5 finger moutains yet?

The trouble with you Dutch is that you only understand 2 finger signs.



For my historian friend, the Russian Empire was ended by Gorbechov and the last nail in the coffin was hammered by the drunkard Yeltsin.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 14:58

RE msg 7, YFred: (...) the Russian Empire was ended by Gorbechov and the last nail in the coffin was hammered by the drunkard Yeltsin. (...)

▶ I'm pleased to present the "Lenin Star of the Soviet Union" (bought on the Lambousa Market for 10 Korush) to Yfred for twisting history. Keep writing, YFred, you must make some of us in your threads laugh...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 15:25

These demonstrations in Egypt and the other middle east countries have all been run and are being run by dictators! These people/countries are mostly Arab!

Turkey is Muslim, so dont know where this really has much to do with the TRNC! ......Turkey has elections ,... these countries that are in protest do not have that privilege.. hence the unrest, which has been brewing for a while.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 18:11

yfred message 1:



the usa doesn't have an empire though it hopes to exert control via regional friends,

yes-men, paid hacks etc; its giant corporations and so on



during the cold war uncle sam supported many vile dictators but that pressure is off



thereafter south america was pushed to embrace free elections

and eastern europe exchanged its harsh communist masters for cut-throat free-market capitalism



the problem with slagging off america, however justified it may be,

is we don't really know what would have happened in the world if the american continent never

existed... things could be far worse than they "are"



I'd compare the ructions in the arab world to troubles brewing in eastern europe in the 80's,

prior to the implosion of the ussr



those who resent the domination of someone else may protest for rather selfish reasons:

conversly the people of south ossetia appear to be grateful russia invaded georgia to rescue them



will america cut off its $2b annual aid

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 18:14

...to mubarak's egypt though? they are in an awkward position



but I'd tend to agree with benjamin nethanyahu that egypt now faces

a long period of instability

stevo-london


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 18:23

Massive strike on Monday from what I have heard

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 18:29

This should be left to the Egyptions alone but it will not be. US and Israel will attept to control who gets in so they follow the US interests. If they succeed, the new person will be no better than Mubarak. Judging by the results in the Arab world today, this will be a disaster. Egypt can turn into another Lebonan, which can lead to another Iran. Strangly that is what US and Israel fear most and that is exactly what they are going to get unless some sense suddenly appears in either administration. Judging by past events it is highly unlikely. I wonder how long before people in Saudi and Kuwait begin to wake up.

Long live the USA and all her cronies and all that. I am not having it said that I am against dictatorships of US kind.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 18:30

stevo-L, did you notice the last one?

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
04/02/2011 18:51

Please take some time to spell Yfred, it would help your credibility.



Unfortunately Egypt may well get what it will reap by instability, Saudi Arabia may be under threat but Kuwait is a very different matter as you would know if you had ever been there.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 21:10

I don't want to be thought cynical

but fear none of this really has anything much to do with cyprus



...cyprus was close to the crusades but not exactly part of them,

it suffered domination by latins, ottomans, british and ethnic greeks

yet has emerged very much as a backwater to huge changes brewing

in the region



neither was it involved in world war 2 nor really the cold war either



perhaps the "file of cyprus" will explain what it should wake up for



and if the baloon goes up over iran one day

let's at least hope the wind is blowing from west to east fallout-wise

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 21:21

RE msg 16, andre514: (...) ...cyprus was close to the crusades but not exactly part of them, it suffered domination by latins, ottomans, british and ethnic greeks (...)

▶ I beg your pardon?! Cyprus played a vital and active role during and in the Latin Crusades (number three and later) in the Levant or Outremer! Cyprus can even "boast" about its own Crusade (Peter I in Egypt, for which the Cypriot population paid dearly).

▶ [ http://www.cyprusdownload.nl/index_1.html ] Item 07 - I'm finishing the story.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 22:11

Cypriots fought for the British in WW2. The Cyprus problem has it's roots in the cold war.

Andre where have you been. The whole purpose of the coup by Greece in 74 was because Makarios had leanings towards Moscow which annoyed the yanks to no end. They wanted Cyprus in Nato, even if it was through the back door and as far as possible from Moscow .

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
04/02/2011 23:20

yfred,



I can see american support for turkey was closely related to the cold war, yes

just as it is now more to do with keeping turkey inside the western world



cypriots did fight for the british



true the americans saw communists in every shadow and wanted everyone in nato



nonetheless I thought the 1974 coup was a final desperate last throw of the dice,

by the colonels' tottering regime in athens, rather like galtieri and the falklands



dc,



perhaps unconsciouly I'd hoped you would set me straight

even so I'd find it hard to imagine capturing esentepe for christendom

...now I have really "done it" and will suffer endless torment

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 01:04

Andre,

I agree that the Greek generals wanted Enosis, but they could not arrange a coup unless CIA gave the go ahead. Same as Turkey, they could not invade for the same reason.

Now there is some new evidence to suggest that the CIA told the Greeks "you go ahead and if the Turks decide to intervene we will stop them". They also told the Turks to get ready because the Greeks are arranging a coup. This was no ordinary local war.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
05/02/2011 12:23

yfred,



yes about the CIA and various confidental remarks attributed to american agencies

...perhaps, perhaps

but at the end of the day turkey was acting within its role as co-guarantor to cyprus



and it also depends what you really mean by "local war":

endless greek cypriot efforts to truly internationalise the cyprus "problem"

have to date only achieved very limited results, and we are no closer to re-unification



whatever that means...



to what extent would your "new evidence" have significant implications for the future?