the protests to Erdogan

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 15:37

In a telling statement, Union of Turkish Cypriot Teachers (KTOS) Secretary General Sener Elcil has opined: “Mr. Erdogan’s statements (arising from German chancellor Angela Merkel’s recent visit to Cyprus) reveal the real goals of Turkey in Cyprus ... (Erdogan) behaves as if it were not (his AKP party) and the Turkish state which annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community, a partner on an equal footing in the Republic of Cyprus. As if it were not Turkey ... transferring population and neutralising (Turkish Cypriots’) political will, imposing the so-called economic packages and forcing us to immigrate. As if it were not they who built mosques in every corner, assimilating the Turkish Cypriots.



“Striving to appear as the side which wants a solution and asking Mrs. Merkel to apologise because she has referred to these realities, constitutes a political distortion ... We remind Mr. Erdogan that (guarantor power) Turkey is in Cyprus to protect the territorial integrity and the constitutiona

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 15:38

order of the Republic of Cyprus. Mr. Erdogan should know that the transfer of population, the creation of dividing structures, the distribution of Greek Cypriot properties to Turkish nationals and all that Turkey has done in Cyprus contravene International Law and are not included in its duties as a guarantor.



“How easily you have forgotten that it is you who ‘slept’ on the 65 per cent of the Yes vote by the Turkish Cypriots at the (Annan plan) referendum and, without making a step forward towards a solution, you revealed your true goals by stating that ‘we did not give away a single stone’. “(You forget) the real owner of this land are all the Cypriots. With what right are you bargaining with our land? Cyprus is not the property of your fathers.”

cronos


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 15:41

Tracer....as you say, a very telling statement, and one that highlights the feelings of many TC's towards Turkey.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 16:05

But nothing like the majority Cronos

cronos


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 16:08

Troodo...I'll have to take your word for that, but as an outsider it is difficult for me to gauge the true groundswell of feeling from TC's in general if I base it only on the comments seen on here.

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 16:24

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/erdogan-appoints-key-aid-slasher-ambassador/20110211



TRoodo not only the tCs are shouting even third generation "settlers' want TR out . So turn your sight to the south .

time is here .

Troodo


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 16:27

Tracer. Just looked out my window, can't hear any one shouting.

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 16:33

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus-problem/ankara-listening-cry-turkish-cypriots/20110211



Gone are the days when Denktash - while in power - would dismiss opposition criticism of unchecked settler influx, compounded by Turkish Cypriots departing, in his typically offhand manner: “one Turk goes, another comes”. Now both he and his son Serdar reiterate ‘enough is enough’ with Ankara’s Cyprus policies.



Yes we are living in strange times troodo..........what comes around ....comes around.

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 16:40

wait until march 2nd . you should here that one

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 17:51

http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q= http://www.todayszaman.com/news-235237-former-kktc-minister-says-protests-orchestrated-with-greek-cypriots.html&ct=ga&cad=CAEQAhgAIAAoATABOAFAjavV6gRIAVAAWABiBWVuLUdC&cd=8dn1Gcbej4Q&usg=AFQjCNFLxdzELB0eEC_wIyvVG88IdGfphw





Tracer,

thanks for the posts,whats yours or anyones thoughts on the above,

Paul.

cronos


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 17:54

I'm struggling to open that one Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 17:54

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=former+kktc+minister+says+protests+orchestrated+with+greek+cypriots&hl=en&prmd=ivnsu&source=univ&tbs=nws:1&tbo=u&ei=nVtVTbDQLIeohAekx_2bDA&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQqAIwAA



Another bash.

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:03

Yes newlad everything is orchestrated by gCs please dont play naive cause you are not .

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:07

Hi Tracer,



Sorry,never meant it to come accross that way,

Paul.

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:11

quote:

The genie is out of the bottle. Turkish Cypriot protesters face a dilemma. Do they back down and allow Turkey to drive them from Cyprus and thus consolidate its stranglehold on the north? Or do they join forces with the ROC in the struggle to rid Turkey from Cyprus?



It is interesting that Talat was called to Turkey for a meeting with Erdogan. Is Turkey planning to force Eroglu from power and to re-install Talat as President so as to present a better face to the international community?



One thing is clear, Turkey has shown its hand in recent weeks and its entire propaganda strategy has blown up in its face.

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:24

The only reason that Eroglu won the election last year, is due to the fact thatTurkey flew thousands of Turks into Northern Cyprus to vote for him.The polls where showing that there was a chance that Talat could win,so they (Turkey) took action.Whether Talats recent meeting with Erdogan,has any relevance to Eroglu being ousted,who knows,

Paul.

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:32

The T/Cs need to look across the sea to Egypt for inspiration

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:45

Indeed,a fantastic achievement,But they (Egypt) have many more voices,

Paul.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:45

msge 17



From what I can make out from most TC's on this site is that they don't particularly want you either. Neither do they want to be assimilated by Turkey nor you guys. It seems to me that they want to protect their own culture and be free to do their own thing. For too long, their choice has been between 'the devil and the deep blue sea'.



Of course, If I am mistaken I will be corrected by the TC's on here. Look forward to their comments.

cronos


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:48

Paul...msg 18



And they have their "own" army....and don't rely on 40,000 "outsiders".

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:56

newlad-msg 16



"The only reason that Eroglu won the election last year, is due to the fact thatTurkey flew thousands of Turks into Northern Cyprus to vote for him."



Would you enlighten us as to where you got your information from?



Turkish (mainland) citizens are NOT TRNC citizens,therefore they can NOT vote.



The only reason UBP and EROGLU won is because people of TRNC CITIZENS had voted for them.Simple.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 19:58

ilovecyprus;



Speaking for myself and few thousands I know;NO you are NOT wrong nor MISTAKEN.

andre514


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 20:34

tracer,



your triumphalism may be described as wishful thinking



of course there are serious tensions between many tc's and the mother country:

and immigration to the north could have been moderated by a compromise agreement

between the two cyprus communities: but this was not to be



before you get too excited, remember that a more agressive turkish regime

will draw the cords connecting north cyprus to the mainland tighter rather than looser



and the character of the demonstration was as much about economic/financial cuts

as about anything specially related to cyprus as such:

in that the trade union protesters have more in common with manchester council workers

than their former brothers and sisters in the south



all countries are having to make cuts which in some cases may even go beyond reason

...and some tc's I know do despair about being at the focus point of turkish national planning



but it will be a long time indeed before more than a few lobby for any tie-up

andre514


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 20:37

with the south of cyprus



and I remain to be convinced your motives for wanting to see such a thing,



are more concerned with the aspirations and security of the turkish cypriots



that other, perhaps legitimate, concerns of your own

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 20:50

Yorg,



Re - mess 21,i think the info came from you my friend,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 20:54

And also by a Turkish Cypriot,who beame a little upset when i called trnc Northern Cyprus.He said this is Cyprus,not North or South,just Cyprus,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 20:57

Andre,

Mess 23,take your point.Such a pity though that they cannot march peacefully,without being lambasted by the big bad wolf.Eveyone should be able to voice an opinion.Without being told to shut up or else,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 21:03

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCYQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hurriyetdailynews.com%2Fn.php%3Fn%3Dinstead-of-beating-kktc-let8217s-find-a-solution-2011-02-10&ei=vG9VTaLVM4SBhQfYn-TwDA&usg=AFQjCNH6hlcWhRonSPcwfALKKW48bj3l_Q

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 21:29

HONESTY! And I will be the first to vote a tCypriot President to succeed Christofias. HONESTY! We need to spill our guts in order to find a solution, else we will be spilling our blood in the future [cause fascism will persist in Turkey & be spilling over in Cyprus].



Honesty & adherence to principles!

A shock is EXACTLY what tCypriots need. Else, they will come back to us like cry babies & "compromise" on 1960. imho, they cannot, they must not have it. They need to renegotiate their way back [1963] & we must tell them that now before they make their decisions! You'd be surprises how many tCypriots will agree on a 1963 based agreement.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 22:12

Thanks be to God that this forum is not taken seriously.

And, by the way, when Eroglu won the presidency he was so popular with the Turkish government that they refused him the usual courtesy of a meeting for some weeks.

tracer


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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 23:33

THEY REFUSED HIM i hope you get the meaning... they rule him, what is his job...... to obey as a slave.... this is what you want from your president pity you dear.



thanks god/allah you dont rule the tcs it would be a disaster for them .

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
11/02/2011 23:50

newlad;

There is no way on this planet,you could've got that info from ME.However,I do remember reminding you of same facts before.



Troodo;

Well said,which goes to prove that TCs had voted who they wanted to for a change.not who Turkey wanted them to,for a change.

YFred


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Message Posted:
12/02/2011 00:06

Newlad, if that had happened in the last election, Talat would have won. Erdogan did not want Erouglu to win. Which made quite a change because normally Turkey wished for UBP to be in power. You are confusing it with what Dengtash used to do.

YFred


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Message Posted:
12/02/2011 00:09

Tracer, you will not be able to get majority of the TCs to agree to the 1960 agreement never mind the 63 if it means back to Unitary state. The only way forward is what is being negotiated, 2 states each one responsible for their area.

tracer


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Message Posted:
12/02/2011 00:42

msg 33 quote :Tracer, you will not be able to get majority of the TCs to agree to the 1960 agreement never mind the 63 if it means back to Unitary state. The only way forward is what is being negotiated, 2 states each one responsible for their area.



Yfred exactly a unitary state with no lines green yellow blue and of course no Turkey /greece only EU

safe enough i believe .

quote:

A leap of faith is required, before too late. gCypriots will not disappoint you this time as they have become wiser and freed of past ghosts. They are ready since long ago. You "owe" them, and above all yourselves, that much! Let's make it a Cypriot "revolution" with no t's or g's attached.





Ps. I see trilingual Cypriots, in Turkish, Greek and English, with no employment worries over the next three decades at least! I will be a beautiful thing to watch deliberations in Cypriot parliament, won't it?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
12/02/2011 09:04

gCypriots will not disappoint you this time as they have become wiser and freed of past ghosts - PARDON?

tracer


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Message Posted:
12/02/2011 10:04

check this out troodo i hope wakes you up .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTIdm8vgMLM&feature=player_embedded

tracer


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Message Posted:
12/02/2011 11:49

what a blonker .

Turkey can do without the EU and the EU can do without Turkey, but Cyprus cannot do without Turkey in the EU, according to Turkey’s chief EU negotiator Egemen Bağış.



"If I was a Cypriot, my biggest nightmare would be what if Turks decide to turn away from its full EU membership aspirations,’ the minister says

tracer


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Message Posted:
12/02/2011 11:53

the full fairy tail here

http://alturl.com/2fxnj

YFred


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Message Posted:
12/02/2011 13:00

Tracer, personaly I agree, but there is lots of Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots that do not agree on your solution. Not untill the RoC justice system is seen to rid all the fascists from its ranks, and that includes judges never mind policeman. For the time being, two states under unitary state and you can call it zones if you like which is what is being discussed is the best solution forward. In time when the majority of the population on both sides have confidence i agree the borders will go. To this point the borders across the EU have not gone yet and they had no real political problems prior to joining.

How many people do you think are trilingual in Cyprus today?

tracer


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Message Posted:
12/02/2011 13:31

Not many assuming that their fist or last is turkish but the majority we are bilingual



if you improve you greek and i learn turkish makes two of us its a good start





Dont stick on the fascists (let the ghosts of the pass go) my friend so many years passed they shrink to to much and they dont rule this country. or does anybody listen to them believe me . you have a few we have some .