GCs present day attitudes towards TCs/Turks

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 20:14

Posted by one named GR(Get Real): 'The Ottoman goofballs deserve NOTHING as they never gained ABSOLUTELY NOTHING either during conflict or peace.

These little Ottoman shits running around today shamelessly requesting “power sharing” and other things, are doing so by taking advantage of Turkey’s blackmail and certainly not because of some “victory” they’ve ever had on Cyprus.

In the end, when all the bla… bla… has run out and trouble erupts on the island, they will be the FIRST to get incinerated and simply cease to exist, as should’ve happened a long time ago.

Regards, GR.'



These are the sort of people the TCs are supposed to trust and agree to reunification without the presence of the Turkish military in Cyprus. Believe me they are not the minority. Go to any Greek Cypriot forum and you shall read many racist, derogatory and threatning commentst against the TCs/Turks in Cyprus.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 20:26

peace is something that was def gained.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 20:48

Start of quotes: 'Ali (Turkish Cypriot): “THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS WANT RECOGNITION OF TRNC, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO IT AND THEY WILL GET IT.”



The following is all written by a Greek Cypriot from another forum:

Quote: 'Not on MY land you don’t arsehole… the moment you cross the red line will be your last. I don’t know about your books, but in our books treason is NOT rewarded with free land but execution.



Feel free to go to Turkey and submit an application to grant you a “state” and see how far you get. Good luck.'





AND YET MORE racism and threats:

'The National Guard (Greek Cypriot) has enough firepower to literally INCINERATE your treasonous sorry arses, and your whole pitiful existence you call “TRNC”, well BEFORE your mommy even has time to come running from all your screams…



You’re going to have to be quick though… the blinding bright light of ignited phosphorus means it’s already too late... '





'Is 30 years of stockpiling enough for you Ricco? …because the Cyprus problem WILL lead to a military confrontation with mathematical accuracy whether you like it or not.'



'The RoC would be VERY foolish to sign any eternal “deal” with a garbage country like Turkey, whose signature is never worth the paper it’s written on, instead of opting for the relatively small sacrifice of losing 20, 30, 40, or even 50k men for her rightful liberation. '



'What’s important is that the price the RoC will have to pay for her freedom can be easily replenished… both human and financial within a couple of decades, but the price the Ottoman remnants will have to pay will NOT be reversible, so the RoC is really better off going for the military option.



That’s the kind of BAD RUBBISH the Ottoman remnants are and little wonder why they should be thrown out of Cyprus altogether.' End of quotes.



The above reflects what the GCs are really like and their attitude to the TCs/Turks in Cyprus. It will never change.

shytallknight


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 39

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 00:57

last paragraph of message 3, you could very well be right, maybe the solution is for the UK to take back the island, after all there was no squabbling when we were in charge.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 01:03

here here shytalknight squabblling does not cure anthing, anyway we will all be dead oneday so please enjoy every day rather than moan. Come back Richard the Lionheart

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 01:06

The British didn't start a campaign of murdering the TCs or the GCs. However, the most peaceful time in Cyprus EVER has been since Turkey intervened and accepted the invitiation by the TCs to stay.



Long live the TRNC

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 03:16

My professor friend in Istanbul said to me "It's our island, and we can take it

back whenever we want" Be warned. Would you put your trust in a Greek navy, or any of their forces? Who would stop the Turks if they decided to take

it - again? Not that I want that but, look at it from their side.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 04:07

You are right dy1259

Biker



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Posts: 396

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 14:00

Pikey /Sue (whetever you call yourself today)



Your comments on this subject are appreciated.



Niker

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 14:37

dy1259

the post your showing here are taken out of context, which don't show the other peoples, possibly tc's attitude to the gc's.



as for GR or GET REAL he is a decent guy, who has helped me out with things loads of times. if you don't like his posts don't read them.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 15:46

Firestarter.



Although I dont post on the other forum, I have been reading it for some considerable time now and I agree with the first paragraph of your post (msg10). However, my instinct (rightly or wrongly) is that it appears more venomous from the GC side but I not in a strong enough position, Cyprus knowledge wise, to argue the point.



I am having a little difficulty in reconciling the comments in your 2nd paragraph with those of GR detailed in message 1 above. Although I do believe he is a brilliant WUM! He is obviously highly intelligent and knowledgeable and his positve contribution to the Cyprus Problem would be highly significant if he tempered his views (and wind ups! LOL).



I have to say, I find your comments on the other forum well balanced.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 15:58

firestarter

If you believe that the TCs attitudes are as bad as the GC attitudes then you support my point that reunification will never work because the GCs and TCs won't be able to live together in peace. Long live partition therefore, and international recognition for the TRNC.



Whether taken out of context or not is irrelevant, the quotes above are what this GC said about the TCs and his vile comments reflect GC attitudes generally from what I've seen on the GC forums.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 16:10

Quote firestarter: '..if you don't like his posts don't read them.'



I have to read them first to see if I like them. LOL. It's not a case of whether I like them or not, it's more: 'let us see what the GCs think of the TCs, let us read what the GCs think of the Cyprus problem'. And my are they predictable, full of hatred and lies and propaganda against the TCs and Turks in Cyprus.

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 18:14

Pikey



Still no comment?



Really suprised that you are not reading this thread mate.



Sometimes "silence is golden" Ah!!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 20:39

firestarter



i have read get real guys posts and i don,t like them ,but i will keep on reading them ,so i don,t forget the anomosity the g/cs have against us t/cs.



so this man who posts with such venom is really a nice person ,becouse he helped you out .



are you sure the your union flag was taken down for no reason .

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 20:52

dy1259



the kktc is turkish and whatever people post greek or other it will be turkish forever ,no one can challenge us for it, least of all the greeks .

they should try too live and let live,we are all human



musin

long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 22:18

Nice one! Susanne - once they've settled in it would be good if they would like to talk about their experiences, hopes for the future etc.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 22:20

Nice on susspike.



So you have middle class NC as neighbours as tenants!!! Will they be buying in the future either NC or GC land in the South. It will be nice when the lady comes around for coffee mornings and you can educate her on all that is wrong with where they come from. Of all the crap you have written on this forum this one has to be the worst of propaganda drivel. You need to have a serious look at your self and also the other half of the team. YOU ARE NOT VERY NICE PEOPLE. (my opinion)

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 22:23

Phylray: "My professor friend in Istanbul said to me "It's our island, and we can take it back whenever we want"



A bogus professor with pretend qualifications, perhaps. What kind of academic would say something as ludicrous as that?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 22:29

Msg 20,



Sounds like a comment from someone who has lost the argument on points or lack of debating skills, compounded by not liking the way things are turning out in Cyprus and hating those who remind him of it.



Best put it on the market.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 22:42

Pike,

It is you getting desperate because decent people are taking absolutely no notice of the inaccurate rubbish you write. You repeat your Greek Cypriot propaganda every which way, take any opportunity to malign the TRNC, its leaders, past and present and the TCs worldwide. Of course you want to minimise the number of people you GCs (you act like one) would call 'real' TCs so that the GCs can continue their claim of being the majority and that TCs should have no rights to equal power in Cyprus.



All we do is laugh at you when you say things like 'real Turkish Cypriots'. I don't need to justify myself. I'm proud of my TC heritage, culture, customs, my family, many of whom live in our country, where we are the MAJORITY, in the TRNC. I love the TRNC. All my friends and relatives from the UK are moving out here-these are many. Don't cry, Pike. LOL.



Carry on deluding yourself that Cyprus will be reunified. LOL. It won't. You posted a link promoting the Cyprus forum, there you will find your answer why there will be no reunification. These are the GC people who we are supposed to be united with. These GC youth were brought up to hate TCs/Turks, they were taught this in their schools, their churches and by their parents. And, hey..guess what? Their schools still promote the same racism against the TCs/Turks. These are the reasons why reunification will never happen.



I've said this before either you have Greek Cypriot connections or you have something to gain from all your Greek Cypriot propaganda.



Finally, Long live the TRNC.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 22:59

dy,



How's the weather in Laandaan?

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 23:16

Pike, you are defeated in debate and all you can reply with is an accent you assume I have. There is an adage:



'Assume and you make an ass of yourself'.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 23:46

Susspike,



cheers, send the info and I will pop in and have a chat when I'm in the area.



And a good evening to pikey....the "lLord Haw-Haw" voicebox for the South!

"GC Calling.....GC calling.....Surrender you scum of the North"

I'd say you could well be a relative of the said William Joyce.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 00:13

susanne





lets hope" get real" does not live next door to your new turkish neighbours.







long live the kktc

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 01:14

dy1259.



absolute spot on mate,



pikey boy is a fake everyone knows it just give it time,





jay76

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 01:39

it does not surprise me the attitude held towards turkish cypriots they are either uneducated or they belive the propaganda that is taught to them from a early age or even some of people no offence like sue who are not really clued up on the whole subject of cyprus but likes to post a view on the back of other people

what surprises me are people like you pike because you go on about how the mainland turks are bad and that they over populate north cyprus and make turkish cypriots loose their identity and t.c's are theifs cos they are living in g.c's houses why the hell are you still living in north cyprus with your legal property if its such a bad place with bad people!!, you say you have many t.c's friends have they actually seen what you write on these forums or have you told them how you feel about them (its good to get it off your chest!!) if they did see this i dont think they would still be your friend!!! im mistaken your t.c's friends agree with what you say am i correct!!!!!

aweverard


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 54

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 08:14

Well it is incumbent on Sue and other GC moderates to educate the GC nationalists if there is to be a rapprochement between the two communities.



The ultra-nationalists are a minority of GCs but the TCs, due to experience, do not trust that the majority of GCs will do anything to help "Evil is done when good men do nothing" comes to mind.



A start is being made with the proposed changes top the GC school text books and hopefully this will take place given what is said in them currently:



"Well, yes… Let’s take a look at the History of Cyprus, the textbook taught in the first year of state secondary schools: the brutal intercommunal fighting of 1963-64, after Makarios tore up the 1960 Constitution, is headlined as “The Turkish revolt”, which saw the Turkish Cypriots unilaterally pull out of government and force their population into enclaves, from which Greek Cypriots were barred.



Then in the summer of 1964, the Turkish air force bombed Tylliria and Turkey threatened to invade. Out of the blue. Just like that. As they do… There is not a single mention of the vicious civil war that raged between December 1963 and the summer of 1964, an event as traumatic to the Turkish Cypriot community as 1974 to the Greeks."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=41245&archive=1



and given this



"A Council of Europe recommendation on the teaching of history was signed by its members, including Cyprus, in 2001. It seeks to avoid the misuse of history in democratic European countries. Some of the definitions of “misuse” being “fixation on one event to justify or conceal another”, “distortion of the past for the purposes of propaganda” and “an excessively nationalistic version of the past which creates the 'us' and 'them' dichotomy”."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=41372&archive=1



Standing by and doing nothing is not good enough, this was done by many GCs in the '60s and has lead to where we are now.



Sue, I trust that if you saw violence being directed at your new TC neighbours then you would call the police and demand that they do everything to stop it, organise the community in to helping, supporting and possible protecting your new TC neighbours and not be one of the 80% the population that collude or actively take part in the violence.



Only when this behaviour is common place among the GCs can the TCs feel reasonably safe living alongside them.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 13:58

chessman re post 11.

thanks for that, i always try to be fair to both sides but sometime they can even push my patience.



dy1259 re post12.

to keep you up to date ,the forum you are speaking of is a mixed forum. not just gc as you claim. i have seen some disgracefull outbursts from both gc's and tc's on that forum. they don't just verbally kill each other but us brit also.



musin,

you judge me before you know me. we welcome you for a beer anytime you are in cyprus. just because i live here and support the trnc, i don't have to give up my rights of free speach. i have friends both in the north and south, and listen carefully to both sides. i refuse to take sides.

i only hope that both can show forgiveness and work for a solution for all cypriots.



as for my flag, i think someone has a point to prove. my friends are still looking into who this could be. i live among tc's, and have friends in some unusual places for an expat here. if they cannot help me then this comes from very high up,beyond 5th generation cypriots. i'm sure a friend in goverment will be asking questions!

i did here the army were in the village this week, so the outcome will be interesting.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 14:24

Quote 'fire starter dy1259 re post12.

to keep you up to date ,the forum you are speaking of is a mixed forum. not just gc as you claim. i have seen some disgracefull outbursts from both gc's and tc's on that forum. they don't just verbally kill each other but us brit also.'



'verbally kill each other' is what may well happen in practice if there is reunification.



'Cyprus Forum' is a Greek Cypriot forum with some TC/Turkish posters. Look at the ads etc. all refer to the Greek side. In my eyes that makes it a GC forum.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 14:39

cyprus forum is firstly and english language forum. time clock on the forum is gmt time.

maybe a month ago they did a pole to find out who the members were.



greek cypriots based in cyprus and the uk.

turkish cypriots again both based in and outside cyprus.

they also have british expat users some who have now returned to the uk and many that are still in cyprus.

they also have another group who are from australia and new zealand from both tc and gc camps. also the same from america.

they also have one or two users from armenia and spain.

so i think thats a pretty much international line up!

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 15:49

Fire starter,

Fine with what you say re the Cyprus Forum. I will add:.. with mainly GC posters and a GC emphasis...



I'd like to end all this splitting of hairs now.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 18:08

firestarter

how do you show forgiveness to one human being when they post with such hate towards another human being,i think most people would find it quite diffucult ,i am referring to one individual and not all greek people .



i have in no way judged you ,how can anyone judge a person without meeting them.



we are all from the same species .....humans......only some people forget



long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 21:46

Musin: "we are all from the same species .....humans......only some people forget"



Pity you can't practise what you preach, then. You come out with identical extremist rhetoric to the most die-hard Hellenists. You both need each other!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 22:26

firestarter



good reply







musin

long live the kktc

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 23:36

I didn't know extremist die-hard Hellenists like RACIST PIKE were allowed to purchase property in the TRNC.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 00:23

More blatant racism against TCs/Turks from the Cyprus Forum(certain posters on here must feel very comfortable with the racist comment below:



Quote: a Greek Cypriot (not GR) 'Turkish is of no use to anyone except Turks .... (in remote villages in Anatolia).



Our young people should concentrate on the Classics, Mathematics etc ... and forget the Turks and their good-for-nothing language!



The more we are reminded of the presence of the Turks ... the more backward we become ..... ' End quote.



The above was in response to a thread called: UNITED CYPRUS TEACHERS PLATFORM ESTABLISHED IN CYPRUS

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 00:32

Quote from another thread on that same forum/another Greek Cypriot:'CFA is the Football Federation of the whole Cyprus. If you want to play football in Cyprus you have to play under CFA. Imagine if every tiny minority in every country wanted to have its own national team!!! Here we are talking about National teams and in Cyprus there is one Nation! What FIFA is telling you is this THERE IS NO F@CKING "TRNC" YOU THIEVING TURKS. REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN CYPRUS.' End quote.



Here the TCs are viewed as a 'tiny' minority with no separate identity or power sharing rights whatsoever-a view supported by many GCs hence the vote against the Annan Plan and the 'ROC' policy of isolation/embargoes against the TCs/TRNC.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 01:04

P. Pike

One may not like what she said, but my friend is not a "bogus professor"

The University of Edinburgh can vouch for her, as she did much of her

research there, and was highly regarded by professors there. I did not

agree with her sentiments, and told her so. I have never heard her speak

badly of Greek people though.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 01:26

Re message 39

Was it last year when the FA gave in to the demands of the Greek Cypriots and banned an English football team, Luton I think it was, from playing in TRNC in a friendly match.Yet another example of the attitude towards TC,s and Turks.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 02:06

Phylray: " I did not agree with her sentiments, and told her so. I have never heard her speak badly of Greek people though."



So if you didn't agree with her then why did you post her comments to back some thing up on this BB?

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 07:19

Hi Firestarter, I had to have a little laugh at this one, I don't usually call people up on their spelling or typos but this was a peach:

"they did a pole to find out who the members were" were they indeed stripper poles or was it a May"pole" or were they actually from "Pole'land" on the pole , taking the "poll"?



Keep up the good work and keep those "poles " coming.



Ok , sorry all, back on topic.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 15:52

My mother told me that the Greek Cypriots in Cyprus used to regularly play a song on the radio in the 1960s for the TCs to hear (and of course they did) called 'Bekledim da Gelmedin' meaning 'I waited but you never came'. This was done to tease and torment the TCs who wanted Turkey to come into Cyprus to save them from being genocided by the Greek Cypriots. On two occasions Turkey was about to intervene but didn't.



Of course the GCs stopped playing it in 1974. LOL.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 16:01

turbo re post43

my spelling has become a lot worse since living here. simple things are no longer obvious. my english sometimes mingles with my turkish. As for the poles they are all in the uk, taking my friends work! Hands upmy spelling is c---.



dy1259

lots of people have extreme views, but is not worth getting up set over. you don't like the views of people on the other forum so why keep going there?

Lots of my tc friends have extreme views on turks, i usuallly just tell them i don't want to hear it. They have since met some of my turkish friends and changed there views slightly.

It all well and good hiding on a forum and having a go at people. Why not meet up with them, have a beer, tell them to their face, you might even get to like them!

Lifes experiences shape the way we think. Just because of a few bad apples you cannot blame a nation of people.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 18:54

Hi Firestarter,

I occasionally read the Cyprus Forum but I'm not a member. I quoted their views, a mixture from those considered extreme to those considered moderate , to illustrate what they really think of TCs, and that reunification will be on their terms only, it seems. I've read through many GC forums, mixed GC and TC etc etc and I see the same message time and again, whether it's put politely or aggressively: 'TCs should not be allowed to power share', 'TCs are a mere minority, why do they expect to be in government?', Turkish 'settlers' out 'All of Cyprus belongs to the GCs', and so it goes on. That, I'm afraid is the reality.



Need to make this clear: I'd don't 'have a go' at that person for the sake of it or because I've been 'upset' by him; what I do, is respond to his unfair, biased against TCs/TRNC, propagandist comments.



If you're comfortable with not challenging such views against TCs/Turks/TRNC, that's entirely up to you and I respect that. However, on these occasions I felt it necessary to have my say.



Regards

Donna

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 19:51

Pike

Didn't use her comments to back anything up. (What?) Just to show

academics can also make extreme comments. Where have you been lately?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:12

phylray,



I wouldn't rate an academic who makes comments like that. Where have I been? Posting most days - there's BB a facility so you check people's posts, dates etc.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:41

Pike

You seem to have lot of time on your hands. Am retired now (I hope) but

even so am pretty busy. I do rate my friend as she has proved to be a loyal

friend over 20 years, (whatever her comments). What is BB? Afraid I am not

so au fait with the technology, but I am learning. Do you?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 22:21

phylray,



If you're retired you may not have realised it was a public holiday down here today, meaning outdoor activities needed for a three-year-old and a seven-year-old. But I've always time for you. ; OK, the woman's been a loyal friend to you but she was talking rubbish saying something like that. It's the kind of thing one tends to hear from Volkan readers and UBP voters, not academics.



BB is shorthand for bulletin board - where we're chatting now.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 01:06

Pike

I may be retired, but I do get to know of public hols. We have one here too.

Weather is great and kids off school today. Get grandchildren from school

tomorrow, 5 yrs. & 7, then hope to pick brambles & apples. Yes, best to get them out while weather is good.

My dear friend talks rubbish sometimes, but she is a patriot, and from a very

lovely family. We may not always agree, but I understand where she is coming from. What is Volkan & UBP ? Pardon my ignorance.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 13:38

Phylray: "What is Volkan & UBP ? Pardon my ignorance"



Volkan (Volcano) is the mouthpiece of the far right and UBP the Denktas political party largely supported by Turkish settlers. About 30 years out of date in other words, and seen by many Turkish Cypriots as having betrayed the TC cause. One or two members on here know even more, I'm sure.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 14:16

dy1259 re post 46



as you have been spending some time on the other forum, you can't seriously believe that the racist extreme behaviour just comes from the gc's. i can assure you it doesn't.



i truely don't believe that the gc's want the tc's out or to take full control.



i challenge them all of the time, but if i had been through a war, been displaced and lots my home maybe i would feel the same as many of them do.



We as outsiders need to give a little understanding to cypriots on both sides.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 16:44

msg 53,



I think someone like you who actually lives in North Cyprus and contributes to the place is less of an outsider than a Brit in London.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 18:18

its all about getting a balanced view and not taking sides.



i often get a verbal kicking on both forums, but its about not taking things to seriously.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 20:20

Quote msg.53:'We as outsiders need to give a little understanding to cypriots on both sides.'



My relatives and parents in the TRNC would not be happy with you calling me an 'outsider'. Perhaps you don't realise it, I'm TC and very much a part of the TC community in the TRNC.



I also disagree with you on your point,

(Quote )'i truely don't believe that the gc's want the tc's out or to take full control. ' (End quote)



history has shown this to be the case from 1963 when they ousted the TCs from government to the rejection of the Annan Plan to the present day.



Reading GC opinions on various forums (not just CF), says a lot to me. The opinions are not formed in isolation, there will be influencing factors; parents, relatives, friends for example. I know my partitionist views are shared by my parents, relatives and friends - all TC living within the TRNC and outside it. It's not just a few 'extremists' as some would like everyone to believe. These so-called extremist views are held by the majority thus making them a popular view. Don't be fooled by people playing with words. Look at the facts and actions of people and politicians.



I doubt anything will come of the talks.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 21:09

donna

bos ver ,aldirma bu adam rumlari cok sever ,turkleri esek yerine koruyor.



the talks will come to zero as always .

the only outcome is a kktc and a roc" live and let live"

lets hope they get used to it soon.

musin

long live the kktc

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 21:13

Hi Musin,

Biraz yinaciyim bu seylere! LOL.



I agree: live and let live

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:04

Haram olsun.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:14

Msg 56: "I know my partitionist views are shared by my parents, relatives and friends - all TC living within the TRNC and outside it. It's not just a few 'extremists' as some would like everyone to believe. These so-called extremist views are held by the majority thus making them a popular view. Don't be fooled by people playing with words. Look at the facts and actions of people and politicians."



FACT: The Turkish Cypriots of Cyprus voted for reunification by electing a pro-settlement leader. The Greek Cypriots of Cyprus did the same. Both communities want change and a future for their children. You and your ilk in London or wherever do not represent the views of the majority of Turkish Cypriots. You are stuck in the past, which is why Turkish Cypriots often take such a dim view of the vocal minority Londrali who were never there in the hard years. You may be able to fool some naive people on here but you don't fool real Turkish Cypriots and you don't fool me.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:15

"haram olsun "





elaborate

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 00:17

Msg.60

Pike,

Which TCs in the TRNC are you talking about? I have never come across a single one who backs up any of your claims. Give me some examples. Where are these TCs who would rather yeild to the unreasonble demands of the GCs than support a North Cyprus free from trouble or fear? Poll after poll shows that TCs would not vote for unification now. Also this 'vocal minority' you speak of are related to the TCs in the TRNC-their parents, grandparents, siblings, cousinsin laws, the list just goes on and on-they all matter to each other. They would not talk about their nearest and dearest in that way. The fact that you say it demonstrates a lack of knowledge or understanding of TC culture.



I'll say it again: You are an outsider and you do not know what you are talking about.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 01:22

hi guys

FACT yes they did vote for a new president for change but that does not mean they did this because they want reunification, they already did this in 2004 and voted yes but if you ask the same people now belive you me the answer would not be the same!!



pike so let me get this straight my family, cousins, friends and freinds of friends dont really love or like me because i lived in the u.k and then in turkey and i was not there in the hard times excuse me, north cyprus is still going thru hard times the only diffrence from then and now no turkish cypriots are being killed because the army are there protecting them!!!!

please tell me who lead you to belive that turkish cypriots hate their own kind where ever they live, next you will be saying they prefer greek cypriots to a londarli turk!!!!

i really cant see how and why anyone wud be trying to fool any naive people!!!

so now you are with your turkish cypriot brothers and sisters all of a sudden on not fooling you or t.c's what is there to fool please tell me!!!



so you think that turks who live in the u.k london especially are more of a outsider than any foreigners who live in north cyprus

so please answer me this do you consider yourself more of a outsider in the u.k now you dont live in the u.k compared to a romanian/polish who is there working

ukturk

PtePike



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Message Posted:
24/09/2008 13:11

ukturk: "pike so let me get this straight my family, cousins, friends and freinds of friends dont really love or like me because i lived in the u.k and then in turkey"



Er no. Family dynamics has nothing to do with what I'm saying, which is that some of those who label themselves as TC on this forum do not represent the views of the majority of Turkish Cypriot in Cyprus. In fact they are the political and ideological enemies of the Turkish Cypriots and are against the reunification that the majority want.



This could be because of identity crisis, growing up in Britain as the children of immigrants and facing the same racial abuse as West Indians, Asians and other groups. This can bring insecurity manifested in fanatical support for the politics of the parents and "motherland", clearly now in the past and rejected by native Turkish Cypriots. I think in many cases it fosters contempt among this second generation for native British and Cypriots alike, many of whom reject the "foreigners" from London.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 13:19

PP



You are not answering their question.



Who is your source? What specific poll/cencus are you refering to? How do you know that this is the view of the majority? Are these personal friends? How many people are you refering to?

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 13:48

Pike,

It is not family dynamics I am talking about! Those Turkish Cypriots you claim disagree with every single TC living outside of Cyprus are the same ones we are related to and KNOW. You cannot distinguish between us, we all sing from the same song sheet.



Quote Pike, 'rejected by native Turkish Cypriots'End quote. Wishful thinking here on your part. LOL.



Not only do you claim to know the opinion of every single TC in Cyprus about every single TC outside of Cyprus, now you claim to know what every single TC outside of Cyprus has experienced in the UK. LOL LOL



You have provided no evidence to support your ridiculous claims.



I'll tell you what though, Pike, you are now stooping so low that only insects can see what you look like.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 17:27

ILC Msg 65,



Your misplaced "gallantry" is a waste of time. The Turkish Cypriots voted for reunification by electing a pro-solution president. Do you want the election result figures to make it any plainer? You know very well that some people on this BB who call themselves TC are British born and raised - and have no influence on (or much respect from) the Turkish Cypriots of Cyprus. They are outsiders who only rate on BBs frequented by subservient or inexperienced expats.



I was born in Wales to a Welsh father but left aged two and was raised in Scotland. I have no memories of the place. I was shaped by the country I grew up in. Do I go on to Welsh nationalist websites trying to tell the people of Wales and how to run their own country? No. Do I tell incomers with holiday homes in Wales how the Welsh people really feel? No. Because if I did I would be exposed by anyone of moderate intelligence as a charlatan and an outsider trying to impose my own totally unrepresentative views on others. Need I be any more blunt, or is the penny starting to drop?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 17:51

what dribble



everything you post is of your own opinion ,thats fair enough ,but say so do not post as if its how it is .you know nothing of turkish cypriot experiences people living in london or anywhere else away from their beloved cyprus ,prehaps if you took some time to find out .



also mr thomas you have posted the words "haram olsun" please explain to people what you mean by this remark .

and for you" hersey helal olsun"

musin

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 18:52

Looks like we are going around and around in circles again PP.





I am pretty relieved as I expected you to brandish your much flaunted 1999 journalistic piece, which you use from time to time as your all encompassing evidence, but as we know it doesn't actually say much at all.



What are we trying to establish here?

1) That the TC's are going to vote for reunification

2) That TC's born and living in the TRNC despise TC's born and raised in the UK

3) That TC's born and raised in London have no connection to the TRNC and their opinions are not valid on matters of Northern Cyprus



1) There must be a larger number of TC'S who want reunification. I met one a restaurant owner. He despises the Turkish army and all things Turkish. He desperately wants to reunite with the GC's. He see's himself as Cypriot first and foremost.



I would be curious to know how many would vote for reunification and if the majority would indeed vote yes. I was hoping that you would put my mind at ease and tell me that you have concrete proof that the majority would vote yes, instead you say that the TC's want to vote yes in 2008 because they voted in a pro settlement president in 2004. This throws up some questions for me:



Is the TRNC the same now as it was in 2004? Have peoples lives improved over the last four years? If there have been changes to the economic climate etc how has this impacted voters? How popular is President Talat compared to 2004?



If you look at the black slaves in the US they never rioted or demanded their rights, not until they were granted certain freedoms. When people are subdued, for whatever reason, that is how they act - subdued. Once people start to eperience personal freedom and gain more rights they then, and only then start to demand more.



Now in 2008 the TC's may be less subdued than they were in 2004. For this reason they may demand more than they did in 2004 and be less willling to make compromises. A lack of compromising on both sides is going to make cracking a deal very difficult.



Who knows what is going to happen. You say with absolute certainty reunification will happen. I say I really don't know. Some of your chums on the Cyprus forum also seem very uncertain. I think it's early days. Please please provide something more tangible than Talat being voted in.



2) There may very well be a chance that some TC's who live in the TRNC may dislike TC's who live in the UK. This sort of thing happens all over the world. People may be envious or jealous of anothers perceived lifestyle.

The question is how many and to what extent? Perhaps you can get some of your TC friends to express how they feel on this site so we really know what is going on here. Perhaps they can say how they feel about TC's living in the UK.



3) As you say in your post you have no memories of Wales. It seems to me that this is different for the TC's on this site who live in the UK. They still seem quite connected and pasionate about their country. They seem to visit often, have friends and family living in Cyprus etc. You can't judge their feelings for Cyprus by the feelings (lack of) that you have for Wales.





PP the world we live in is not perfect. I know you dream of perfection and I know the imperfection you see around you drives you made. You as a good boy desperately want to put it right. It probably drives you made with anger but good boys can't experience anger. This makes it a problem for you. Let it go, the world is unfolding as it should be. It doesn't need your help.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 18:55

Apologies - Should say 'there must be a large number'

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
24/09/2008 19:03

oops another mistake - should say 'the imperfection you see around you drives you mad'

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 19:09

Pike how is it that you joined this forum on the 20/5/08 and have managed already to post 1129 times. No offence intended but you should get out more often and get some fresh air and unwind a bit, you must be awfull pale sitting in front of your computer its not good for your health or sanity

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 19:47

Msg.67

Quote: 'I was born in Wales to a Welsh father but left aged two and was raised in Scotland. I have no memories of the place. I was shaped by the country I grew up in. Do I go on to Welsh nationalist websites trying to tell the people of Wales and how to run their own country? No. Do I tell incomers with holiday homes in Wales how the Welsh people really feel? No. Because if I did I would be exposed by anyone of moderate intelligence as a charlatan and an outsider trying to impose my own totally unrepresentative views on others. Need I be any more blunt, or is the penny starting to drop?' End quote.



You are clutching at straws. No-one is telling our relatives in TRNC how to live their lives, if anyone is, you are Pike. What we say is influenced by what the TCs in the TRNC believe and think - we agree with each other-hard for you to take. We are not 'fanatics' or 'extremists', what we are doing is defending ourselves and putting forward a solution to the Cyprus problem that has a better chance of working than unification without Turkey's protection. The fact that TCs world over and in particular the TRNC, are standing up for themselves against the GCs is actually devastating you.



What's in it for you? You claim not to be GC or have GC connections-what do you gain by insulting/offending everyone TC outside of the TRNC, insulting TCs within the TRNC and anyone who supports them?



What do you gain by living in the TRNC?



Msg.69 ILC Well said.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 21:55

dy1259,



If you can find someone who speaks Turkish ask them to translate this for you:



Dogru soyliyeni dokuz koyden kovarlarmis.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 22:01

dy1259 where were you raised in scotland?

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 22:53

msg 72,



K

PtePike



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Message Posted:
24/09/2008 23:06

dy1259,



This Turkish Cypriot is one of my friends and there are plenty more like him. He and his like is everything you are not. He actually lived in Cyprus and served his country for a start - until the fascist bully boys went after him. I'd love to see the two of you having a chat. I know exactly what native Turkish Cypriots think of the Brits who betray the TC cause while pretending to wave the flag.



Serhat Incirli is a Turkish Cypriot journalist who writes for the London post, but this article appeared (in Turkish) in the TC paper Afrika.



Serhat Incirli can no longer visit the North because charges have been brought against him by the Turkish attorney general for "insulting Turkey", so the chances are that if he steps foot in the North he will be sent to Ankara to face the charges.



It was translated by a TC on the Cyprus forum and is well worth a read.



http://greekturkish.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=6215





QUOTE





How can we find a solution???

What is the reason for the lack of one?

Or,Who is the least to blame for the state of affairs???

Answer these questions,and the solution will follow...



For Denktash and his Cronies the answer was ready and clear.

There was no solution because of the GCs intransigent attitude...

And Turkey was the least to blame...

The GCs wanted to eat us for breakfast...

Turkey came and saved our skin.

Hence everything we found in the North was our God-given right...

We should demand what we left in the South as well.

This was taught to us in Cyprus for years.

The GCs were aggressive...

The GCs were murderers...

The GCs were all bad...

We were the innocent ones.

The murder-victims...

The good guys.

We had no faults...

Yep,these were what we were taught.

There were no flies on us.

The highway robbers were the GCs...

They wanted ENOSIS...

They drew up the Akritas Plan.

They wanted war.

We did absolutely nothing wrong...

Never blocked a road,never shot anyone...

Never smuggled arms into Cyprus...

The boat "Yavuz" was not ours.

The GCs attacked us,so Turkey had the right to come...and stay.

The GCs were guilty,so their properties legally became our "ganimet"(war trophy)...

All this was drilled into our heads by Denktash and the Turkish "deep state"...

GCs bad,TCs good.

Could you call Turkey "an occupier"?

Not possible,brother...

Turkey came,innocently and without any hidden motives,to save us from GC cruelty...

Why wasn't she leaving???

Pulling back after completing her duty as a guarantor???

Denktash had a simple answer: If Turkey left they'd .... our mothers!

I can't spell it out but you know what I mean...

Without Turkey we cannot protect our honour,Rauf Bey used to say.

Remember?

It came naturally to Denktash and his Cronies.

It was their job,after all!



But to hear all this from Talat and his CTP administration was unthinkable...

They were expected to say a few things about the "ganimet",but they didnt...

"Do you expect us to live in tin shacks", said Talat's spokesperson himself.

They didn't say," We shed blood,so the land belongs to us" at least...



We saw that the blame game,and punishing the guilty,did not get us anywhere.

But we didn't learn our lesson obviously.



The GCs now have a new, progressive,pro-solution leader.

At least the World thinks so!

Do what you like,the "Tassos" excuse will not work for the World.

Things have to change...

What are we to do???

We should sit down and negotiate a Federal solution a.s.a.p...

Without delay.



Let Christofias call Turkey "occupier".

What did you expect? To call Turkey "saviour"??? for God's sake!

It's time for logical thinking.

Lets stop the blame game.

What is logical and legal is obvious...

Lets try to achieve that.

Lets not waste our time using the Denktash mentality.

Don't expect Christo

PtePike



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Message Posted:
24/09/2008 23:09

karakum5c msg 72,



Perhaps I've racked up so many posts because I have something to say about Cyprus and know the island and its people well. What have YOU got to say about the Cyprus problem?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
24/09/2008 23:35

MSG 74

translation.....

those who tell the truth get thrown out of nine villages.



now prehaps you can oblige us and tell us what " HARAM OLSUN" means



up to you mr thomas.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 00:17

Pike,

It seems your dear friend, Serhat Incirli, has overlooked something in his diatribe against anyone not willing to suck up to the GCs, and that is the TCs voted YES to the Annan Plan and the GCs voted NO. And now he expects all TCs to bend to the will of the GCs? Reunification at any price?



Is this your evidence then that all TCs in the TRNC have 'rejected' all TCs outside the TRNC? You are getting desperate.



Do tell us all which TC cause has been betrayed?



You are still being offensive and racist about TCs. Stop it.

JONNY


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 01:31

pvt pikey

from what i have read is it not what you are doing to these turkish cpriots.

they are the ones with the truth you lie,

aweverard


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 54

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 02:17

a Quote from PP see message 77:



"Serhat Incirli is a Turkish Cypriot journalist who writes for the London post, but this article appeared (in Turkish) in the TC paper Afrika.



Serhat Incirli can no longer visit the North because charges have been brought against him by the Turkish attorney general for "insulting Turkey", so the chances are that if he steps foot in the North he will be sent to Ankara to face the charges."



A quote from ES on the VO BB dated 28 Mat 08:



"They use remnants of Commonwealth law for criminal matters with Turkish tack-ons. A good example of this is harrassment and attempted prosecution (dropped recently after international pressure) of Turkish Cypriot journalists by Turkish generals. See below:



Turkey Insulted by Journalistic Criticism

From Cyprus Weekly



Ankara is set to drag a Turkish Cypriot columnist before a Turkish court in unprecedented legal action that signals a serious escalation in the persecution of dissenters in the occupied north.



No formal charges have yet been laid against London-based columnist Serhat Incirli who writes for independent daily Afrika. But Turkish Cypriot police have questioned Incirli’s parents at their home in the north, seeking the columnist’s London address and telephone numbers."



So are the charges outstanding or have they been dropped?

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 09:48

Pikey says



"Perhaps I've racked up so many posts because I have something to say about Cyprus and know the island and its people well. What have YOU got to say about the Cyprus problem?"



Could be you're a bitter, twisted individual who doesn't like receiving speeding tickets from Turks!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 12:26

JONNY: "pvt pikey from what i have read is it not what you are doing to these turkish cpriots. they are the ones with the truth you lie."



Says Jonny in his second post. The first one being: "is there greek land in the turkish notrh"

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 12:28

msg 79,



Musin, didn't your parents teach you any Turkish? Be like other English people and take night classes. That's the best way to be accepted by Turkish Cypriots - speak their language and know their dialect.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 12:31

aweverard: "No formal charges have yet been laid against London-based columnist Serhat Incirli who writes for independent daily Afrika. But Turkish Cypriot police have questioned Incirli’s parents at their home in the north, seeking the columnist’s London address and telephone numbers."



"So are the charges outstanding or have they been dropped?"



Would you like me to put you in touch with Serhat and his family so you can lend your support?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 12:55

dy1259 re post 56

you say you are part of the trnc communtiy, are you living here?

when you travel around the world are you using your kimlik or your british passport?

Have you done your national service yet?



i have many tc/english friends. when they have returned to cyprus to live they have been ripped off just like the expats. they know it and will tell you it.



while those who stayed to fight for your country live on the bread line, with a lack of medical services, lack of water and constant power cuts ,you sit in the uk with all the benefits that brings. So if the people of the north decide that they want a solution, that is their choice. they have suffered long enought.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 13:21

msge 87



On the 'exchange land' thread Firestarter you said this



"cyprusishome how can you say that if it wasn't for the outside investment the tc community would be living an impoverished lifestyle.lots of tc's went to the uk after 74. our village has had no outside investment, no foreign development. the people are not poor."



I am a little sad. I only remembered this because I pay attention to what you say as you live in NC and I am interested to really know what standard of living the TC's enjoy. On this thread you say that the TC's are living on the bread line but on the other thread you say they are not poor.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 13:23

pikey

do you need a shovel for the deeper hole you are digging for yourself with your presumptions!!!!

who said its about family dynamics, you commented on how all t.c's take a dim view on turkish cypriots who managed to get away from the troubles in the 50's to the 70's and im telling you my family friends of the family and their friends all in the villages and surrounding villages dont take a dim view on londarli's like you say, i dont know where you get your info from and if there's a small amount of t.c's who you know that dislike us lot (trying to seperate us turkish cypriots) belive you me they dont hate us as much as some the meddling expats who think they know everything about cyprus and comment about it and not forgetting the ones who think they are accepted more than actual turkish cypriots living outside cyprus!!!

god forbid if war broke out tomorrow, me aswell as many other cypriots living outside cyprus would be on the first plane to cyprus to help the cause (being a national), i wonder where you will be tail between your legs running back to the u.k!!!

i would like to meet these turkish cypriots who you know, that take this dim view thats if they are not fictional!!! even better why dont you invite these people on to the forum so we can have a debate and also they can see some of your posts directed to t.c's

any logical thinking person would know that even thou a lot of t.c's moved away from cyprus they still support the country of their birth place by the money thay have earned abroad (contary to sue's comments that all turks are on the dole) by building houses, setting up buisness for their family etc and this all helps north cyprus one way or the other especially the economy

so belive you me its not a case of out of sight out of mind and this is something you will never ever understand!!!!!



once again your post 67 you are trying to twist your words for your own good!!!

the t.c communtiy did not vote for unification by voting in talat for your info they voted in 2004 for unification which the south rejected even thou denktash (because it was unfair towards t.c's) urged the turkish community to say no they still said yes which if you ask the same people now they will say no!!!

Brinigng in talat was for general change not what you think!!! denktash had a good runnings and was a good leader he was the founder of our country!!! and if not he would not have steped down with the t.c community in mind

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 13:46

Firestarter msg 87,



Outstanding post, you truth speaker and TRNC resident you.

dy1259


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Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 14:13

Quote fire starter: 'dy1259 re post 56

you say you are part of the trnc communtiy, are you living here?

when you travel around the world are you using your kimlik or your british passport? Have you done your national service yet?'End quote.



Yet another person who really has very little understanding of the TCs or their culture. What has a kimlik, passport or doing National Service got to do with whether someone is TC or not? Seriously, think about it.



Quote pike:'Firestarter msg 87,

Outstanding post, you truth speaker and TRNC resident you.'End quote. LOL, that's very funny.

aweverard


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 54

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 14:13

PP:

"They use remnants of Commonwealth law for criminal matters with Turkish tack-ons. A good example of this is harrassment and attempted prosecution (dropped recently after international pressure) of Turkish Cypriot journalists by Turkish generals. See below:"



PP:

"Would you like me to put you in touch with Serhat and his family so you can lend your support?"



But have the charges been drope as per your 1st statement above?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 14:25

ilovecyprus re post 88.



yes now they have outside investment but it hasn't always been that way.

times are hard here now for locals.



last weekend our village had a police raid. for all the people who had not paid up the muhtars bills, think the poor guy had given up and called in the police to catch up with those who didn't pay.

most people in my village have mortgaged their land to the bank to survive.



those people who left their people and their country for a better life elsewhere, don't know how much suffering has been endured over the years since 1974.

how could they? they have been living it up elsewhere! They weren't sitting here in the dark for days without electric. they were living a life of central heating.



how can someone who has left and lives somewhere else decide if or not there should be a solution?

dy lives in the uk. thats their personal choice.They will be worrying about the next general election and what it means to them.

i think it should be for cypriots living in cyprus to decide if or not they want a solution, after all it is them who are most effected.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 14:34

fire starter, you know nothing about me or what my family may or may not have suffered in Cyprus.



I didn't know they'd introduced criteria to qualify as a TC. But as you have it so wrong let me help you: bloodline and family are key.



You are now coming across IMO as much a bigot as Pike. Are you also denying the existence of TCs outside of Cyprus? A very Greek Cypriot point of view I would say.



So you're not neutral after all. Didn't think so.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 14:52

Quote fire starter: 'after all it is them who are most effected. '



Pike, haven't you learnt the difference yet? It should be 'affected'.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 15:03

Quote fire starter:'those people who left their people and their country for a better life elsewhere, don't know how much suffering has been endured over the years since 1974.'End quote.



Pike aka fire starter,



'suffering since 1974', you mean 'suffering' from relief and happiness that TCs have been living in safety from 1974, away from the murderous GCs. Lack of electricity was nothing compared to fearing for your life.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 15:04

Quote fire starter:'those people who left their people and their country for a better life elsewhere, don't know how much suffering has been endured over the years since 1974.'End quote.



Pike aka fire starter,



'suffering since 1974', you mean 'suffering' from relief and happiness that TCs have been living in safety from 1974, away from the murderous GCs. Lack of electricity was nothing compared to fearing for your life.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 16:20

firestarter

so in the two years you have been living in cyprus you seemed to have judged what is going on in cyprus



your quote : those people who left their people and their country for a better life elsewhere, don't know how much suffering has been endured over the years since 1974.



you are mistaken most famlies who left cyprus left many years before 1974 and the major suffering has been since the 50's when all turkish cypriots feared for their life not debit!!!! and dont forget debit and being undeveloped was imposed on t.c's it was not a choice

personally i would rather live on the imposed bread line than fear that women of my family being raped and the men being killed

and how do you know we did not know what our familes, friends went thru in your example of suffering since 74 of course we knew and saw that the north used to be in the dark with no electric for days when the south used to turn of the power just for kicks!!!!!



not meaning to sound rude but you guys who are outsiders have not got a clue, the government of north cyprus looks at all people who was born in cyprus or outside cyprus or live in another country are classed as cypriots even if you was born in the u.k and only have one parent who is t.c they are all eligable for their kimlik and all men are eligable for the army!!! so it does not make a blind bit of diffrence what you think we know who and what we are!!!!

and the reason why most of them have got british passports is because it was offered to all cypriots when cyprus used to be part of the empire up until 1960

and do you think cypriot emigrants had it any easier when arriving in the u.k not like presnt day when you get given a house and money and car, they had to work no handouts and they had to do the low paid skivy jobs that no one else would do and get treated like second class people but i suppose its better than being killed!!!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 16:25

dy1259: "bloodline and family are key."



Of course - when fiilling in statistic forms asking for ethnic origin. But when it comes to native Brits in the UK claiming to speak for the Turkish Cypriots of Cyprus it's utterly irrelevant.



Hell hath no fury as a woman with an identity crisis.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 16:37

ukturk: "god forbid if war broke out tomorrow, me aswell as many other cypriots living outside cyprus would be on the first plane to cyprus to help the cause (being a national), i wonder where you will be tail between your legs running back to the u.k!!!"



That's very loyal of you, but you could buy yourself out for a few quid.



Nobody's disputing some people have loyalty to their parent's homeland rather than their own birthplace. But they do tend to be unusual and somewhat extreme to take such a view. I'm not directly making comparisons with Muslim terrorists, but many would argue the fanaticism appears to be rooted somewhere.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:21

aweverard: "But have the charges been drope as per your 1st statement above?"



It's not the first time he's been intimitaded and threatened by the TR bully boys, so I'll find out which case this is and let you know. The biggest irony is the behind the scenes stuff Serhat has done to help Brits ripped off in the TRNC. Any victims of scams and con-artistry should wake up to reality:



SERHAT INCIRLI on North Cyprus

Posted by Aga Buyers Action Group

Monday, 11 February 2008

Today we received this email – it’s from one of our UK based TC friends. They have kindly translated some of the article in the Afrika Gazetesi – The language is colourful to say the least.



ABAG



http://latchfords.spaces.live.com/default.aspx



Thank you for coming all that way to London, I will be with you until your problem resolves. We wanted publicity and I think we have achieved. Afrika Newspaper is printed in Cyprus daily and I believe four London Turkish newspapers will write our story on Thursday and Friday. Genc TV will show on Saturday at 20.30 and Prime Minister SOYER will be at the studio live again.



http://www.biziizle.com/player/tvplayer.asp?bd=101



The Afrika has written your story very well. I will try to translate in summary.



"Innocent English people robbed in TRNC. They believed in TRNC. But TRNC and their friends robbed these Innocent people. Because TRNC is a s**t. Yes it is s**t Government and s**t state. You do not expect anything better from a s**t. Three of them lost 150 K. If Mr Avci did not come here and waste money, it would meet half of the lost monies (75K) already.



The TRNC stole the land from Greeks and now stealing money from innocent people by selling it 3 or even 4 times. I, Sehat am ashamed myself because I am Turkish Cypriot. But in reality you are the ones who should be ashamed and pay these people their moneys back."



http://www.afrikagazetesi.com/index.php?writer=serhatIncirli.html&chosenDate=3-2-2008&w2=serhatIncirli











Well done The AFRIKA. I have rang and sent email to the writer SERHAT INCIRLI thanking him. I will let you know when other Turkish papers write the story.









http://latchfords.spaces.live.com/







--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:25

msge 100



"many would argue" - who specifically are the many?



"the fanaticism appears to be rooted somewhere" - not sure what you are trying to say here



still waiting for your local TC friends to explain to us the Cyprus situation and how they feel about TC's in the UK.

If you have carried out your own survey then it would be nice if you could let us know the numbers you polled, their background and the specific questions you asked.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:43

ilc,



Somewhere in the psyche lurks fanaticism. These people and their supporters are the enemies of Cyprus and the Turkish Cypriots. I'll provide the information you seek when you ask the same of your British-born, London-based partitionists and anti-TRNC government types.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:48

pikey

there you again with your hole digging!!!!

thank you very much for your comments yes i am very loyal and will fight to the end in any cause that i know is right!!!

is that your answer to anything throw a bit of money at it!!!! that might work for you but it does not buy you loyality or being a patriot and standing up for something you belive in

im still waiting for your t.c friends to come on here to discuss how they feel about the evil turkish cypriots that left them behind!!!

maybe the fanaticism you belive is rooted somewhere, stems from your own beliefs because i dont see any i just see proud turkish cypriots nothing more and not your much needed views will change that fact



mark we will be waiting forever for pikey's so called t.c friends to come on here and discuss their side of the events and that they hate all the cypriots who managed to escape all the bad things that happened from the 50's upto 74

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:48

PP



Surely if you provide the data then you have won the argument

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:55

Serhat Incirli says terrible things about TCs/TRNC and seems to be in love with GCs, you know the same way Pike is in love with them. And as this person, Incirili, lives outside of Cyprus, according to Pike, he is not TC anymore.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 17:58

Is that true Donna? Then that definately makes his views invalid



Erkan, it's up to PP to support his claims.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 18:39

ILC,

Yes, by all accounts, Serhat Incirli, is now a Londrali.



Please note, I'm not using 'Londrali' disparagingly, unlike Mr, I contradict myself for my Greek Cypriot propaganda purposes, Pike.

JONNY


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:01

pvt pikey

you are swimming against the tide i do not think you know what you are talking about



i live with a turkish family at the moment in north cyp and they do not want the greek people living amonst them.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:22

Hi Jonny,

Pike is out of touch with the TCs in the TRNC. He needs to speak to TCs who are not traitors (nearly all of them) and who do not speak against their fellow TCs (nearly all of them) and the TRNC (nearly all of them). Then he will know, as you say, that TCs do not want to live with and be dominated by GCs.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:23

ukturk: "thank you very much for your comments yes i am very loyal and will fight to the end in any cause that i know is right!!!"



LOL - but of course, and so am I. That's why we can have such debates!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:30

dy1259,



The TC journalist is safer in London if the Turkish regime heve threatened to send him for trial in Ankara for speaking his mind. Dissidents have always been welcome in places of free speech and democracy. Unlike you he was born, raised, educated, served his military service and worked into his 30s in the TRNC. He is a true son of Cyprus whose words carry more weight than outsiders who pretend to speak for Turkish Cypriots.



Are your parents British citizens as well as you?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:37

ILC: "Surely if you provide the data then you have won the argument."



I believe in a level playing field, matey. Until you stop copping out and feel brave enough to ask the same searching questions of your London Brit homesick flag-wavers, then the data will just have to wait.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:39

If you knew anything about the history of TCs you would know that ALL TCs were British Citizens when Britain had Cyprus as a colony. Even your darling Serhat Incirli's great grandparents would have been born British.



This Serhat Incirili should be ashamed of himselt supporting the GCs against the TCs and TRNC. Crikey who needs enemies when there are people like him around?



DY1259

Turkish Cypriot and proud of it (and not a traitor)

bobby


Joined: 03/07/2008
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:41

Debates.....baiting more like. Nearly 1200 one sided and tiring comments.



"The Brown Stick " award belongs to you.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:42

In fact all Cypriots, Greek or Turkish were born British.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:46

Pike:'....Brit homesick flag-wavers'



Are you feeling homesick Pike? GO HOME then. Or to Rumania where you have your other properties you rent out.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:50

JONNY: "i do not think you know what you are talking about"



Says the man who said in his first post: "is there greek land in the turkish notrh?"



Reading on the credibility-ometer? Barely a flicker...



You should find people with plenty in common with you, though.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 19:54

Bobby: ""The Brown Stick " award belongs to you."



While the Brown Nose award goes to you, presumably? ;)

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:01

dy1259: "GO HOME then. Or to Rumania where you have your other properties you rent out."



LOL. I am home. And you're wrong about Rumania, as you are about so much else.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:04

You know I'm not wrong.



Slovenia then. LOL.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:06

Pike,

Now, tell me about the bad experience you had with TCs that makes you hate them so much.



DY1259

Turkish Cypriot and proud of it

Long live the TRNC.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:10

dy1259: "In fact all Cypriots, Greek or Turkish were born British."



WRONG. Only Cypriots born before independence in 1960 qualified for British citizenship. You appear to know very little about Cyprus and to be well out of your depth. being a second-generation British citizen that is understandable. How about taking observer status on the BB until you feel more confident in posting?

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:12

Your understanding of grammar is letting you

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:16

I'll start again:

Pike,

Your understanding of grammar is letting you down again. Note the tense 'were' (past) and your comprehension, note that I said 'when Britain had Cyprus as a colony', which ended in 1960. Dear, oh dear. Perhaps you need to become a mature student again?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:20

dy1259: "In fact all Cypriots, Greek or Turkish were born British."



LOL. That is your quote.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:20

Back to the topic.

Pike (I view him as GC), has said the following about the TRNC and TCs in the TRNC:

'..plus the brain drain means inept and/or corrupt people get positions with undue influence.'



'The dead wood in power at all levels of TRNC society has been the price to pay for a dependency culture made worse by the drain of the best talent to brighter shores.'



This is what he thinks of the TCs in the TRNC. Pike, you should ask the TCs in the TRNC what they think of your comments about them lacking ‘talent’ and not being ‘bright’.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:22

"In fact all Cypriots, Greek or Turkish were born British."



And where does it say since 1960? LOL

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/09/2008 20:32

dy1259,



Don't you think some people would find it curious that a British person born of British parents should be so desperate to be accepted as Turkish Cypriot? Surely by living there and supporting the majority view of Turkish Cypriots you would in turn feel more like them. Instead, from thousands of miles away you support the politics the TCs rejected years ago. Some friend you are when you are so against what they have chosen.



Right, I'm taking my kids to the park. Think about what I said regarding learning a bit more before posting.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 11:24

msge 113



That's nice that you are taking the kids to the park. Hope they had a good time. I thought they may have forgotten what daddy looks like, daddy endlessly being locked away in his room with his computer and reams of reams of Cyprus data.



Lots of data you may have (much of it seemingly worthless), but we both know you haven't got any information supporting your claims that TC's living in the TRNC dislike TC's living in London. You also haven't supplied any proof that the vast majority of TC's will vote for reunification. I totally believe that a large number will vote for reunification but I am not certain that the majority will vote. It would be nice to get confirmation. Please share with us what makes you so certain. Remember saying that Talat was voted in, in 2004 isn't enough.



I believe it is you who needs to provide proof because you are attempting to stop the TC's on here from having their say. You are attempting to invalidate their opinion.



As regards your claim of fanatacism. Who is the fanatic on this forum? Only one person springs to my mind. I know of only one person who absolutely thinks they are right 100% of the time.



ps this is the last post I am writing on this particular thread. It's got boring

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 11:45

ps PP



Bear in mind I have no alleigance to you. I am extremely mindful of the fact that if you had the power to do so, you would gladly take away my property and the properties of my fellow Brits. You have shown no alleigance to your countrymen.

JONNY


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 12:15

i love cyprus and others



why do you bother with this idiot pvt pikey ,his name says it all surely no one takes him seriously ,no one that is but himself.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 13:10

Pike,

I am Turkish Cypriot there is no 'having to be accepted' about it.



Are you one of these people who deny the holocaust ever happened?



Everyone up to 1960 in Cyprus was born British, do you suggest then all these GCs and TCs and their offspring, it includes, are not Cypriots? Now stop acting like an idiot and answer all the questions everyone has asked you.



Back to the topic.

Pike (I view him as GC), has said the following about the TRNC and TCs in the TRNC:

'..plus the brain drain means inept and/or corrupt people get positions with undue influence.'

'The dead wood in power at all levels of TRNC society has been the price to pay for a dependency culture made worse by the drain of the best talent to brighter shores.'



This is what he thinks of the TCs in the TRNC. Pike, you should ask the TCs in the TRNC what they think of your comments about them lacking ‘talent’ and not being ‘bright’.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 13:39

Well Private Plum, you seem to be making more and more friends!



Not bad for a little Welsh baby that was sent to Scotland, fobbed off to England who all realised your worth and have now ended up in the North of Cyprus. (Hopefully a temporary stop!) No chance of you going back to your castle in Transylvania?



As I and others have said "GET a LIFE" and be a dad to those kids of yours.....spend some quality time with them as they will be too old for the park soon, as time goes so fast. Living in a beautiful country with your big head stuck in front of a PC all day is not healthy.



How about popping in to the "Ship" to meet up with Wyn and a few of the jolly BB lads and lassies for a beer and a riveting chat....that way they can see first hand what a miserable little excuse for a man you are.



Await your usual @$&te reply



LOL



Tiggzzzzzz



Ps. please do not go back to the virgin converter thing as you have exhausted and flogged that one to death

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 14:05

Perhaps he needs Ritalin.!!! He certainly needs to get out more.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 16:49

More examples of negative GC attitudes against TCs.



This is what is written about TCs in GC school texbooks-hardly a recognition of TCs as 'Cypriots'. Furthermore, GC parents/teachers/church 'moderates' must support this stance as they are feeding it to their children.



Quote from Stefanos Evripidou 'A STUDY of history school books on the island has concluded that current Greek Cypriot schoolbooks .......today’s Greek Cypriot history books have on the cover bellicose looking Greeks ready to fight Turks who appear in the background ready to chop off their heads.



Inside, the book says: “Cypriots were and are Christian Orthodox.” The term Cypriots is equated with Greeks of Cyprus, excluding all other groups on the island. The main characters in the books are Greeks and Turks, while Turkish Cypriots are hardly mentioned, represented simply as Islamicised Greeks. “They don’t exist in the books as a political community,” said Papadakis.'



What chance unification? No chance.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:00

ILC msg130: "You are attempting to invalidate their opinion."



As do you when you object to anyone who believes in upholding international law and conventions. You can call it debate, but those who defy law and moral decency will always be the losers - plus they are a tiny minority.



BTW, I'm guessing you don't have children. If you did you would know most go to school and nursery while their parents work - some of them online.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:05

Tiggy: "Ps. please do not go back to the virgin converter thing as you have exhausted and flogged that one to death."



What, do you mean question the credibility of a grown man in late middle age describing himself as a "virgin convertor"? Do your friends, if any, realise they are mixing with such a sophisticated and intelligent individual?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:08

hattikins: "Perhaps he needs Ritalin.!!! He certainly needs to get out more."



Is trading insults the way a pensioner woman of 61 should behave, or was it your background?

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:14

fight fight fight thats all you guy's do im off and im topping myself cant take any more of this.............

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:17

Some of the effects of negative GC attitudes against TCs as below. Note 'inhuman isolation':



A plea from Talat (Sept.08) to the international community:



'Talat calls on world to end inhuman isolation of Turkish Cypriots

The Turkish Cypriot president Thursday called on the entire world to end isolation of his people.

President Mehmet Ali Talat of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) called on the entire world to end the unjust and inhuman isolation of Turkish Cypriot people.'

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:22

jock....don't do it...things could be worse......!!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:23

dy,



We're actually talking about how someone like you can claim to speak for the Turkish Cypriots. Because having parents who emigrated to the UK 50-odd years ago is not a valid reason. You're British and you don't even come from Cyprus - which is obvious as your politics belong to the Denktas years.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:24

Doyen,



You are correct. Think what it would be like if MM was posting here.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:27

ok N01 doyen.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:32

Good idea jock1 !!



I have decided when I go I will take PP with me...



6 references t o the VC, you need fresh material. As for friends, my needs are met. As for your bad self it is said in all in the replies you get from the forum. You must have a real leatherneck. (gnarf gnarf)



And if you had any respect you would not be looking at other member’s info and makinf nasty comments about a lady. Unless you are prepared to put yours up for all to see, (As it has been requested by members umpteen times)

then you should keep that snout of yours out of it. (As it has been requested umpteen times)



I’m off now to enjoy the rest of the sunny day here. I will leave you to entertain the empty board and yourself.



Please refer back to msg 134

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:34

Is MM still breathing? DOH! I shouldn't have asked that, if he's reading this he'll start to post here. Then there WILL be trouble.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:35

John

How did your trip to the park go? Hope you did not use it as vehicle for forcing anti TC/T propaganda down your childrens throats. How old are your children? I just do not know how you cram so much into your life what with being a hack/special constable/vinyard owner etc. How do you end up spending quality time with your kids? Oh yeh and spending so much time on various bulleting boards. Poor kids.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:37

Tiggy: "And if you had any respect you would not be looking at other member’s info and makinf nasty comments about a lady."



I had no idea you were a lady.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:38

Pike, You have no authority to tell me what I am, what to say or not to say or on whose behalf. You are an outsider, just accept it and be grateful that the TRNC authorities have allowed you to remain in the TRNC. Stop trying to tell TCs what to do.



We have all explained to you politely, some not so politely, that TCs are TCs wherever they were born and whatever their passports were when they were born but you... JUST...DON'T...UNDERSTAND! There is nothing more we can do for you.



This thread is about GC present day attitudes towards TCs/Turks. Keep to the topic. I've added some more relevant and interesting quotes.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:51

AJ msg 148: "How old are your children? I just do not know how you cram so much into your life what with being a hack/special constable/vinyard owner etc. How do you end up spending quality time with your kids?"



They are seven and three, AJ. It's easy to cram a lot into your life if it's structured properly. Being a hack means I've taken the older one into a newsroom and he's been given a tour of the court and cells, upon which he later did a "show and tell" at school. My being in the police has got both of them regular trips to the station plus the stables and kennels where they meet the new police pups and horses and get rides in squad cars (another show and tell). Having a farmhouse and vineyard means fantastic family holidays where the kids can join in the harvest and local celebrations. And of course they've spent loads of time at our other home in Cyprus as well as our other two in Scotland.



I can only assume you never had children if, knowing my background, you have to ask how I spend quality time with our own.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 17:52

dy1259,



You be whatever you want to be and let others be the judge.

bobby


Joined: 03/07/2008
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 18:00

The poor little mites. Going to the local Police station everytime they are taken out for the day. Do they have little home made Police uniforms and statement books!



You seem to be losing the battle with Tiggy as you are resorting to calling him a lady! I can see you throwing in the "white Towel" very soon.



b.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 18:08

Pike,

Even IF I didn't want to be TC, it is what I am. No judgement call about it.



Back to negative GC attitudes and all on GC terms.

Quote from GC President: 'without the presence of foreign armies and illegal colonists, under conditions of security and respect for their identity and their rights.'

He wants all the Turkish military out (not going to happen) and all the Turkish settlers out including the ones born and brought in the TRNC and their families (not going to happen).

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 18:12

They are seven and three, AJ. It's easy to cram a lot into your life if it's structured properly. Being a hack means I've taken the older one into a newsroom and he's been given a tour of the court and cells, upon which he later did a "show and tell" at school. My being in the police has got both of them regular trips to the station plus the stables and kennels where they meet the new police pups and horses and get rides in squad cars (another show and tell). Having a farmhouse and vineyard means fantastic family holidays where the kids can join in the harvest and local celebrations. And of course they've spent loads of time at our other home in Cyprus as well as our other two in Scotland.



Erm, yeh ok John. ;-)

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 18:23

Pike,

You are that desperate to prevent people reading the truth, that on this and other threads you aim to divert attention away from the original topic.



Your aim is to sabatage every thread on every forum where posters show any sympathy towards TCs/TRNC and where they learn balanced truth about events in Cyprus. Pike's behaviour is another common GC propaganda ploy and a demonstration of negative GC attitudes against TCs/TRNC.



You underestimate the readers on this forum.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 18:49

Re Message 139

This * pensioner woman* was actually making a suggestion which could improve your sad little life, cos thats what old souls like me do. As for my background, that is nothing to do with you but I will tell you that I was brought up to have respect for others and have brought my own children up the same way. You just thrive on being offensive and insulting and I fear that this aggressive and obsessive attitude may be passed on to your own children, which would be a great pity.

I have a son of your age, a much more pleasant person than you I might add, he can actually see two sides to the Cyprus situation unlike your good self, incidentally he lives in Australia, but is still British, he changed his location but not his origin or birthright.

You are obviously a very successful young man having achieved so much in your 38 years, journalist, Special Constable, property owner, ex BG,vineyard owner, what a pity you didn,t pick up a bit of common sense or humility while you were on your travels, or do you enjoy being disliked by so many people.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 18:59

'young man having achieved so much in your 38 years,'



38 years? blimey John you look a lot older than that. Time to slowdown methinks. Time to start splashing the Nivea cream around. You never know you may be able claw back a few years.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 20:55

AJ,



LOL - If you still think I'm called John that proves you don't know the right people in the TRNC. The way you described him I feel a bit sorry for the bloke, though.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
26/09/2008 21:10

hattikins msg 157,



"This * pensioner woman* was actually making a suggestion which could improve your sad little life, cos thats what old souls like me do."



Of course you were, dear.



"I will tell you that I was brought up to have respect for others and have brought my own children up the same way."



Just as I was brought up to believe it is always wrong to take something that was not mine. So how effective were your lessons in respecting others?



"You just thrive on being offensive and insulting."



And yet you have problem being offensive and insulting yourself? It works both ways.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 00:17

What have I taken, that was not mine, which shows disrespect to others, why should you presume that?



And as for my attitude towards yourself, what do you expect when you continually insult not just the TC,s who,s country you are a guest in but anyone who may disagree with your extremist views .

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 01:28

Having followed this rather awful thread, I have to say that Pike

is definitely ageist (he's already been accused of racism), and it is not the first time he has made personal remarks, and assumptions about ladies' ages. No journalist worth his salt would stoop to such prejudice. The hallmark of any

civilized society is its respect and consideration for its elderly. When you get

to be (as I hope you will) of pensionable age, I am sure you would like to think that your experience of life as well as your educational qualifications will not

be treated with comtempt.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 13:41

'LOL - If you still think I'm called John that proves you don't know the right people in the TRNC. The way you described him I feel a bit sorry for the bloke, though.'



Erm, yeh ok John.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 13:42

Bet the kids are looking to a great weekend with Pa......Local Police station and prison here we come!!!. Private Parts walking beside them with his laptop strapped to his tummy, typing shi@e as he is walking along.



"Rupert.....Alistair…… stop kicking that person whist in full view of witnesses"!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 13:48

My problem with Pike's take on life is that he appears to value material things over human life.... to use his own phraseology "p*ss down on lesser men from a great height"



He is always banging on about property and never wants to take the GCs to task over any of their wrong doings:-



EOKA A/B Terrorism

The inter-faction murdering (killing their own people over their differences of policitcal aims)

The violence towards the TCs

Machinations to end their power sharing arrangements in clear contravention of the agreements made when the British handed over power.

The attempted coup...



All these things helped precipitated the Island into the current long-running division which has, if nothing else, served to keep relative peace... but he won't even acknowledge this... instead he will concentrate his efforts on the negative (as he sees it) that the displaced GCs living in the south have been "ethnically cleansed" and have been denied natural justice... which is at odds with the true nature of the situation...



There are displaced persons on both sides as well he knows, but to call them ethnically cleansed is not correct use of the accepted meaning...



Will they ever be able to live cheek-by-jowel again... maybe, but not for a few generations until the wounds have healed and never if the older generations can't admit their failings and culpability in briniging about this situation...



There are hopeful signs from some very senior people that they realise they can no longer hide their countrymens' part in what has gone before....



Pike (our own David Irving?) won't go there....

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 14:54

Groucho: "Pike (our own David Irving?) won't go there."



But if you occupy a holiday home thanks to the legal owners being ethnically cleansed from the property, you have far more connections to Irving.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 14:59

phlray: "... and assumptions about ladies' ages."



Unless you and hattikins are not being truthful about your ages, they are there in black and whitle under your profiles. So where are the "assumptions"? You never really answered me when I asked if you were a real, registered and qualified teacher. The more you post the less you appear to be one.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 15:03

Tiggy,



Rest assured I would never take my kids to the park if I thought you were there. You seem to take an unhealthy interest in them, referring to them in two posts so far.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 15:09

And you have posted 3 in a row.



Sorry mate....just my way of letting you know to get s life. Nasty little comment from hanging around parks though...just your way I suppose.



you must be weird to keep posting your vile rubbish and getting lots of people to tell you to push off....you just keep going on and on.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 15:23

pike



If you have experienced major problems in your life, there is no need to remain bitter or offensive.



There are many of us older people here who have probably been through almost every trauma imaginable.



With age comes wisdom, understanding and tolerance.



Please do feel free to discuss your problems with us. We will be very understanding and helpful.





rob

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 15:45

msge 165 Outstanding post Groucho. One of the best I have heard on the Cyprus issue.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 15:49

My personal problem with Pike is his constant assertion that he is steadfastly moral hence a superior human being to all others who traverse the plains of Cyprus.



At first I thought Pike was a genuine humanitarian who generally cared for the well being of others. I now know this not to be true, because he has shown no compassion for the plight of the Turkish settlers. In my book a genuine humanitarian would be looking for a solution that would best serve all the human beings involved in the Cyprus conundrum.



I also wondered if PP was a GC in disguise, as his stance bears the hallmark of the GC Politic bureau. I am now sure he has no connection to the GC political machine, but he will surely be in line for their highest commemorative honour once this impasse has been circumvented. If they don't give him a medal then I will personally demand that they do. No one has pushed their cause more so.



So if PP is not a humanitarian then he must have some personal interest in Cyprus - 'Self interest often disguises itself as morality and principle'



So PP claims to have a house in Slovenia, two properties in Scotland, a vineyard and a property in Cyprus. He must be a pretty damn good journalist (not much evidence to support this)to earn the sort of money to afford such luxury. I can only conclude that he has inherited considerable wealth.



This leads me to believe that he has a sense of entitlement and nobility. What other evidence would enable me to support this claim. I have heard many statements like the one that Groucho has mentioned "p*ss down on lesser men from a great height" and making statements which vilify in his mind the uneducated and alike.



The conclusion I draw is a simple and uncomplicated one. PP is simply a SNOB. He hides behind this moral facade but at the end of the day he just wants the TRNC to be rid of what he deems chavy Brits and dirty settlers. He has a purity streak and wants the TRNC to be rid of what he sees as vermin.



This puritancical zeal has deluded him to believe that he is actually a moral crusader. His created and carved out this stance where he is now too far down the rabbit hole and he can't change it.



Don't worry PP you are not the only one f...d up, most people on the planet are including me. I have more than my share of faults and foibles. My writing this piece would have highlighted my own prejudices and delusions, but I am happy to face up to them.



Just a little tip. If you want to influence people build on similarities not differences.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 15:50

Below is an one example of many to show how TCs were treated by the GC up to 1974. The GCs are the ones who stole land from the TCs and never returned it. This is the land they claim to have 'lost' after 1974. Following the quote below, is another quote from a GC who believes nothing bad happened to the TCs. This appears to be a generally held belief by GCs.



'THE PERIOD OF ECONOMIC SANCTIONS

11 AUGUST 1964 -15 NOVEMBER 1967

'Agriculture

The hardest hit sector of the Turkish-Cypriot economy was agriculture.[18] Because Turk-Cypriot villages had been abandoned, and because some land was near National Guard positions or in insecure areas, much of the Turk-Cypriot grain, citrus and grape crop was not harvested in 1964. As a result of inter-communal tension, Turkish-Cypriots were unable to sell the grain and grapes which they did harvest through government marketing organizations. Many Turkish-Cypriot farmers had the choice of either selling the produce to Greek-Cypriot agents at cut-rate prices or not being able to sell their crops at all. However, by 1965 Turkish-Cypriot crops were being sold through government marketing boards, providing that the Turk-Cypriot farmers had arranged to pay off any debts owed to the government. Thus, the Grain Commission agreed to purchase the Turk-Cypriot grain crop, less 20 per cent to amortise outstanding debts which arose because the Commission had advanced the Turk-Cypriot Co-operative Bank funds in 1963 against the 1964 harvest, which had not been subsequently delivered to the Commission.



In 1966, UNFICYP estimated that about one-half of the farmland abandoned by Turk-Cypriots was being leased to Greek-Cypriots.[19] The government had responded to United Nations pressure and made it a punishable offence for Greek-Cypriots to use Turk-Cypriot land without the authority of the absentee Turk-Cypriot owner. In practice, Turk-Cypriots were often forced to lease their abandoned land at uneconomic rents. Any complaints by the Turk-Cypriot owner would result either in his land being damaged or in his receiving no return at all for his land. Turk-Cypriots by comparison had taken over only a very small amount of Greek-Cypriot farmland.[20] Most of this land was within the enclave north of Nicosia, and was being worked by refugees whose own land was being farmed by Greek-Cypriots. The Turk-Cypriot Leadership offered to pay the government a rental fee for this land but it was rejected as inadequate. In 1966 the government tried to finance a compensation fund for Greek- Cypriots whose land was under Turk-Cypriot control by imposing a deduction of 30 per cent on all Turkish-Cypriot grain, grown in the enclave north of Nicosia, which was sold through the Grain Commission. This deduction was in addition to the 20 per cent deduction already imposed to amortise other debts. No grain from this enclave was delivered to the Commission in 1966 and the 30 per cent penalty was subsequently removed.'



Quote GC (from another forum):'If the Turks truly had reason to complain that the TCs were being treated so unfairly, which they were not, they would have achieved this aim before, not mis-used our vulnerability defending ourselves against a coup to destroy us forever. '



Do note the coup occurred in 1974, the ill-treatment, oppression and murder of TCs by GCs happened long before then.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 16:14

Last sentence in msg 173 change to:

Do note the coup occurred in 1974, the ill-treatment, oppression and murder of TCs by GCs was happening long before then.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 16:26

Pike: 'I'll dedicate it to all those I constantly outmanoevre from my position on the wouldn't-dream-of-taking-what-isn't-mine high ground.'



Pike,

What are you talking about? Get your facts right-do you believe everything you have been trained to say by the GCs? Nobody has taken what isn't theirs in the TRNC. They have paid for their land, bought what is nationalised land. Just because you disagree with it being nationalised does not mean you are right in your unjustified accusations against people.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 16:54

hi

now after 174 messages later are we any closer to knowing what the present day g.c's thoughts towards t.c's

NO we are not!!!!

well basically most of us turks wherever we are located cyprus-turkey-any other turkic countries the u.k or even seasme street, already know greeks feelings towards turks in general you only have to look at places like rhodes crete, kos where most of the population know turkish but are forbiden to speak it!!!!

and yes the turkish and greek population in the u.k do get on and i have friends that are greek cypriots, but if you ask most of the populus in the south of cyprus and thats including expats in the south aswell as 1 or 2 brits that live in the north who supposed to have t.c's friends, will answer you the same they dislike turks but wont be able to answer you why!!! other than their prepaired propaganda script of 1974!!!!!



pike on your alleged t.c friends can you invite them on here and explain how they hate or dislike us t.c's who live in turkey or u.k or wherever outside the k.k.t.c i would love to hear their views directly not thru a second source!!!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 17:05

this post is just going round and round in circles , can i request that nobody responds to pp's posts from now on , or is that too much to ask ? he might just get the message ! who knows ?

regards , simbas

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 17:06

Hi ukturk,

I've continued to post examples of negative GC attitudes against TCs in between combating 'verbal genocide' of TCs living outside the TRNC. LOL. Somehow I can't seem to find any positive comments about TCs from GCs or their sympathisers!

Donna

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 17:45

Well said Simbas.



To be honest I think he should be red carded for his continual put down of the TC people and it's LAND.



He is not going to change and I bet this is the longest run he has ever had on a forum without getting thrown off. He seems to have doubled his efforts to be even more obnoxious since suzzane was shown the door.



I am asking for his removal.

JONNY


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 19:41

whatever this muppet says it dont really matter does it,the people i live with at the moment a turkish family in a turkish village explained to me the greeks no longer worry them as long as the army are there they are safe and are scared of no one.

i asked them the question greek cypriot present day attitudes towards the turkish and the reaction i got was a smile followed by who cares.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 20:35

What about my reply PP.....o,,,that would have been 4 in a row!



2nd request to have this vermin removed.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 22:09

Pike said "But if you occupy a holiday home thanks to the legal owners being ethnically cleansed from the property, you have far more connections to Irving. "



Well, in answer to both your aspersions, we don't and we don't....



Yet again you betray your fascination with immoveable property and post nothing about the plight of the TCs who were faced with ethnic cleansing...



I say this because of the existence, now made public and admitted to by the Greek Cypriot side, of high level plans to exterminate TCs in the event of a Turkish invasion force attempting to intervene in the inter-communal fighting...



They at least don't have the false-memory-syndrome you seek to proffer as fact.



They like you are going to have to swallow their pride and admit that they have been falsely teaching the island's history without mentioning their sides part in creating the divisive situation.....



They are getting there... no sign of you though.... maybe you are irredeemable.. I hate to think so but maybe you never will see the light because I don't think you want to...



Oh and by the way, if you pick a fight and get a bloody nose, you don't get much sympathy anymore....

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 22:59

Pike, Pike, Pike-everyone is very comfortable, relaxing, living in their paid for home built on what was nationalised land and SAFE from GC extremists and moderates knowing the Turkish military are in the TRNC to stay!

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 23:28

Msg 184. Pike, let the TRNC/TCs/Turkey worry about that. You relax, watch YOUR blood pressure and enjoy your evening knowing your are safe in your home in the TRNC.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
27/09/2008 23:47