North Cyprus Hunters turning their guns on Donkeys- My own blood Boils

DonkeyKeeper


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 13:33

Just read in TC Paper "YeniDuzen" that 18 donkeys have been shot dead apparently inside the fenced area in the Karpaz set aside for wild donkeys. Is any Turkish Cypriot / Turkish National or any third-rate citizen interested? I don't want this to drop.



Tourist Boards need to know. The Government also needs to know that hunters are shooting their own countrys' livelyhood in the foot.



Mr and Mrs Donkey Keeper.

spider


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 13:39

This is down right appalling and outrageous...These poor little things are doing no harm to anything or anyone. the people doing this need to be caught and quick, someone must know who they and who is responsible..Please keep us updated, So very upsetting..........







Spider, X

Lullu


Joined: 24/12/2010
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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 13:47

yes very upsetting, yes everyone please do not give up on this one, as Spider says someone must know who these cruel objects are, they have no right to be called people.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 13:50

Why oh Why. This is so awful.This bloody government had better get its house in order. Who would want to come here to see things like this. The world should know. Evil basxxxxs. Another blind eye turned.

airbag


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 13:50

These people are of very low IQ thats all I can say, shame on them

stockiefan


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 13:56

Why am I not surprised to hear this if true?? What a backward country this is!!!!

Tinkie


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 13:58

Disgusting...what on earth could you possibly gain from shooting Donkeys? Another situation, as with the dog poisoning, where everyone will turn a blind eye.

doggiesteve


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 14:01

i think there was something in the press a while ago calling for the donkeys to be culled as they were rampaging and destroying crops.

DonkeyKeeper


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 14:05

Doggie Steve. That cull was for donkeys OUTSIDE the "protected" area

brother



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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 14:05

Re. Msg.1: I have visited this area and found that there is nothing to stop anyone from carrying out such acts. It is a wild and deserted area. I can imagine that it would cost quite a bit to employ rangers to protect the animals.

Do these animals pose any form of threat to any farming that occurs on the periphery?

doggiesteve


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 14:14

how do donkeys know which area is "protected" and which is not ?



disgusting any way.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 14:19

doggiesteve "inside the fenced area in the Karpaz" they don't need to know...



This is dreadful news.



There is only one road that I know of leading to this area... so patrolling should not be beyond the realms of possibility should it?

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 14:26

It may be worth contacting the chief vet at Leftkosa to see if a cull was arranged. I just cant get my head around this awful news.

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 14:33

Before we start accusing the whole country of being backwards, can we find out the precise details as to who and why?

It seems to me either this is the work of a few derranged people or a cull. Either way there is no need to accuse the whole country as being backward.

For instance UK and US responsible for death of over a million innocent people in Iraq alone. I did not accuse you of being blood thirsty lunatic did I?

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 14:53

I am with message 14. The highly charged emotional rhetoric preceding YFred are ALL responding to the first message which contained the word "apparently"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To tar an entire country as "backward" or the perpetrators as of "low IQ" when they may well turn out to be Government Agents obeying orders to carry out a cull - to name but two comments - is an over-reaction to what, at this juncture, is anecdotal. IF these animals were killed by people not authorised to do so - were the bodies left where they lay to rot? No mention of what happened to them after they were killed......then THAT is the time to make a fuss. Newspapers print what will sell the most papers - which is why a lot of tweaking of the truth is employed......or they would soon be out of business - so it is important to get the FACTS straight - before being derogatory about anyone.

brother



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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 15:48

Re. Msg.15: Interesting observation ("highly charged emotional rhetoric preceding YFred...") when analysing the stretch marks on the topic after that particular message.



Yep, I would guard against jumping to any conslusions. As I stated in my original message, it is a wild and deserted place. As I remember, regardless of the cattle grid placed across the track there were 3-4 donkeys in the middle of nowhere - one standing in the road - as we approached entrance into the area on our way to visist the monastery.



One hopes that it was cull and that they were killed humanely.

valarius


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 356

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 16:15

Having just read this post. cull or no cull Donkey's are Donkey's and they belong to Cyprus. famous for their name The karpaz Donkeys been here for what seem to me for ever. i saw them in 1988. Why get them killed? What harm do they do if in a fenced off place to keep them safe. Can't get my ehad round all this crulty here.

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 16:33

Yeah but look what happened to GR when he escaped from the park a few years back. now we have the hole of the Cyprus female donkey population under threart by this wild and viscous donkey not to mention the damage he does to the crops when he gets excited and start one of his arousal dances.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 17:12

And what do they do in the UK (in a royal park no less) Oh yes they cull deer (does anyone complain about that?). Oh and I forgot about foxes. I thought fox hunting was made illegal in the UK but It still goes on. I almost forgot about Japan and their 'scientific research' whaling ships. And........ I could go on. If more concrete details could be provided rather that wild speculation then the original posting would have more merit.

shoogaroo


Joined: 27/01/2011
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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 17:47

I too was appalled to hear about the donkeys. Innocent animals living their lives, dogs are being poisoned indiscrimantly, now the donkeys are threatened. Something must be done. I know petitions are useless, so suggestions anybody?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 17:52

msge 14 yfred



The deaths in the Iraqi war are an absolute tragedy, but you may be guilty of overestimating the figures. I know you read the Guardian.



"According to Jonathan Steele, writing in The Guardian, IBC "is widely considered as the most reliable database of Iraqi civilian deaths".



As of October 2010, the IBC has recorded approximately 100,000 civilian deaths. This is not just from military action, but also insurgent activities, sectarian and criminal violence.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 17:56

ps lets hope the donkeys can live in peace

spider


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 18:04

Its all to do with Man and they way they are raised...And how to treat others human or animal........About time they learnt to make a good job of making a FENCE in the first place ! But saying that its a hall of a job to get people with good skill in most things over here..







Spider,X

Scoty


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 18:08

Spider - a lot of people here have great skills - but none of them useful to the majority of people. Pulling scams, ripping off people etc.

Do agree - someone can surely make a fence or gate here. Then again, depending on the facts, they would climb over, through if that was what they wanted to do. Protection, if required, is the only way to do it. Again, comes down to cost and who would pay?

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 18:12

I have seen many a good fence around an Army Base...Most are just not interested in the beauty of their own history and culture..And please..No they would not even bother to remove the dead...just rubbish now ! ! ! Good for nothing







Spider,X

shoogaroo


Joined: 27/01/2011
Posts: 59

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 18:26

men go to war, knowing the consequences, Animals trust us

chelle70


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 19:05

well said shoogaroo

paddywack


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 19:17

Msg 19,

We have over 50 chickens and 50 ducks, all running free during the day, foxes are the only exception I make. I try to live by the code, if you are not going to eat it dont kill it.

DonkeyKeeper


Joined: 20/07/2010
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 19:24

Have spoken to the reporter who advises that she has discussed the situation with the Tourism Minister. Being that today is a Religious Holiday, which must be respected, the Minister is awaiting the outcome of an investigation into the killing of 18 Donkeys.

According to the reporter; this is not a cull, but we must await the findings of the investigation - which makes sense.

However 5 working days sounds reasonable.



DonkeyKeeper

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 19:47

ilovecyprus, that is a joke. Your figure is likely to be per year. I trust The Lancet more than any other organisation.



http://www.iraqanalysis.org/local/041101lancetpmos.html



will give you a more realistic figure. But the real facts to consider are why the US/UK have stopped counting the Iraqi killed?



In time when it coumes out officially and we have proof that the real figure is over 1 million, how will we exoalin it to the future generations?

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 22:07

Having seen the average hunter behind our houses they probably can't hit anything moving quicker than a donkey. No I don't condone this they are obviously mindless idiots and If they can read and read this I will willingly discuss their illness face to face.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 22:14

I agree Jefferson, seeing the hundreds by our house the last two sundays. Hitting little birds. They scared the lives out of my dogs when they started looking for the birds they hit and the end of our garden.

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 22:40

Not a pretty picture, the story and photos of a couple of Donkeys



http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=28471&z=19

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/02/2011 22:46

turbo its so very sad, to think these defenceless creatures trust us humans x

Scoty


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 22:50

msg 1 - agree a terrible act - however



North Cypriot hunters - as per headline

msg 1 - Is any Turkish Cypriot / Turkish National or any third-rate citizen interested?

Still the question - who did the killing? Who is the 3rd rate citizen?

Msg 29 - I would presume the reporter was on site and saw what had taken place? Do they have photos to back this up - standard procedure - and if so, print them. Then and only then will people maybe understand what is happening.

If photos are available, everyone has a mobile that can take them, put them out there for everyone to see. Maybe then action will be taken??

newscoop


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 22:58

Mess 14;



And the connection between donkeys and Iraq is?????????????????

YFred


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Message Posted:
15/02/2011 23:08

Newscoop, if you have not made the connection, I cannot help you I am afraid.

climakool


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 190

Message Posted:
16/02/2011 00:11

what do people get out of this? absolutely disgusting - wot goes around comes around I hope?

delcraft


Joined: 24/01/2011
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Message Posted:
16/02/2011 05:00

What was ironic about this was that on Sunday in Buyukkonuk we were celebrating the new role for the Cyprus donkey in ecotourism by holding our first Donkey Day. This was for domestic donkeys of course, to encourage owners to look after their donkeys because they can make money for them in tourism.

About the killings...I propose to arrange an symposium in the next EU call for project proposals on this very issue of the feral donkeys of Karpaz by getting experts in to learn how feral animals are dealt with in other countries. This can help us (authorities and public) focus on what to do here in Cyprus. Control of feral animals of all kind is necessary but it does come as a shock. If the killing of 18 donkeys was a cull they should have removed the carcasses discreetly.

I don't blame the people of the area for taking desparate measures... which of us would tolerate a donkey roaming freely among our flower and vegetable garden. We have to work together on this issue.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
16/02/2011 07:05

I would hazard that the proper solution to donkeys amongst crops is to fence-off the donkeys and/or the crops rather than shoot them.

If shooting is the answer being adopted then, presumably, they will all be shot, which is an alarming prospect.

The argument that it's because they damage crops and flowers is bogus... The answer is one of human endeavour not violence, which is all too often the route chosen by man.

If the fox can get to your chickens it's best to build a fox-proof enclosure rather than kill all foxes.

If man doesn't learn from his experience he's not doing much to advance the race.

yenibob


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Message Posted:
16/02/2011 07:21

In lieu of predators, large herbivores (and many other creatures) have to be culled or they will all starve. Or are you saying there should be no limit on numbers?

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
16/02/2011 11:53

Sorry everybody, I had no idea Iraq would be bought up on a donkey post



msge 30 yfred



I can find lots of criticism of the Lancet study. My conclusion is that all the studies are just too politically motivated to be relied upon.







"A 2010 paper by Professor Michael Spagat entitled "Ethical and Data-Integrity Problems in the Second Lancet Survey of Mortality in Iraq" was published in the peer reviewed journal Defense & Peace Economics. This paper argues that there were several "ethical violations to the survey's respondents", faults the study authors for "non-disclosure of the survey's questionnaire, data-entry form, data matching anonymised interviewer identifications with households and sample design", and presents "evidence relating to data fabrication and falsification, which falls into nine broad categories." The paper concludes that the Lancet survey, "cannot be considered a reliable or valid contribution towards knowledge about the extent of mortality in Iraq since 2

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
16/02/2011 12:12

Please keep this thread 'on topic'

Any further 'off topic' post's will be deleted.

YFred


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Message Posted:
16/02/2011 13:08

AJ, there was a post that claimed that TCs are uncivilised because some donkeys were shot. I was only trying to point out that the postee's own people had killed hundreds of thousands of people never mind donkeys.

So it is not really that far off the topic.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
16/02/2011 14:01

Yenibob,



Whilst part of your point may be valid, i.e. when numbers outstrip the available natural food source then a properly organised cull to thin out numbers may be seen as desirable for the better good of the remainder, however, there is no suggestion (I know of) that donkey numbers in the 'protected area' of the Karpas have reached anything like this..



"or they will all starve" err, sounds dramatic but I don't think that 'all' would starve because as numbers decrease the available food source will tend to supply the remainder. So, maybe some might starve but not all and that's nature's way. But I take your point about predators keeping a balance and the number of lions to be found in the Karpas is precious few.

yenibob


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Message Posted:
16/02/2011 14:39

Or to put it another way Gavin, I agree with most of what you say, haven't really got a clue about numbers, but love typing.

doggiesteve


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Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/02/2011 11:54

it turns out some may have killed the donkeys for their meat its in kibris today



http://tinyurl.com/6jlepv4