Girne Dog Cull Feb 16th - info needed !

Hamish


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 11:50

KAR have received details that on Wednesday (16/02/11) a member of the public was visited by representatives from Girne Belediyere along with Turkish soldiers and a van/truck. She was told that they were there to collect dogs. When she asked whether the dogs would be relocated there was no response. Apparently the B'dere men went looking around the waste land and one of the soldiers explained to the lady that they were there to help the B'dere and the dogs were to be destroyed. They then explained to the lady that the van/truck was already half full with dogs that had been killed that morning. The lady was extremely upset and afraid for her "local community dogs" that she has been feeding and caring for over the last couple of years. The "group" left without taking anymore dogs.

KAR have not been able to establish if this "cull" was authorised and if so by whom.

If anyone is "paid a visit" could you make a note of the vehicle registration number and pass the info onto KAR.

Thanks

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 11:56

I am sure the lady was really upset especially if she is caring for these dogs.

But it is about time that something was done about the strays! I came across a pack on Monday on the road to Bellapais 6 dogs and one poor bitch who looked like she has had pups recently. An Alsatian type dog was locked on to her and the more she struggled and yelped the the more they seemed to lock. I felt so sorry for them all but there was nothing I could do. So if there is a cull in my opinion it is about time as there are more and more dogs wandering about looking half starved and then in a few months more pups.



Chris

martinD41


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 12:17

Msg2 I agree 100%,I also think KAR should be looking at the stray dog situation with, shall we say, a different perspective............ IMHO..

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 12:21

Chris - couldn't agree with you more. I realise that this probably sounds heartless, but until 'someone' comes up with an alternative method of trying to control the increasing numbers of these poor animals, I don't see any other way.



MartinD41 - agree.

Hamish


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 12:35

nurseawful - i appreciate that this is an emotive subject and there are many opinions about what should/shouldn't be done and most of those views come about because of genuine and valid concerns about the issue of stray dogs in general here.

But there are several reason why KAR is so concerned with this incident -( this has happened before and was not authorised at all. It was an employee who had used the B'dere vehicle to do what he felt should be done.) Who knows how these dogs are being killed - are they shot ? Are they poisoned? Are they injected and if so with what ?(unlikely to be a humane euthanasia drug as it is not available here !. Which dogs are being taken for destruction ? Are any pet dogs amongst them ? etc. The registration number of the vehicle will help KAR establish exactly who to speak to about such issues as the Belediyere is denying any involvement or knowledge of it.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 12:38

A Neutered dog tagged and returned to the streets is one thing,but dogs will by nature"PACK".Once this happens they become a(Half Starved) potential "Danger" to all. My worry is for Children encountering such a "Pack"..I don't profess to know the answer here in TRNC,but an answer in my opinion Must be found...for the safety of all...to say nothing of the suffering of the Animals..

whataview


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 12:50

Isn't it about time that All Belediyeres kept a dog registers or more accurately a dog owner register, so a) no-ones cared for pet is accidentally destroyed and b) they can make owners responsible and accountable for their dogs and prevent people unneccessarily dumping their dog/s on the streets.



I as a dog owner let my dogs free to play just outside the front gate and they tend to play on scrubland nearby out of harms way, I would be devestated if they were mistakenly taken and would appreciate a register so that if they are lost someone can contact us, this would help a proportion of these dogs to be returned to rightful owners or unwanted dogs systematically neutered or euthanised where owners are no longer interested. A small fee for registering would be applicable to help the 'Veterinary Department' subsidise medical treatment, as they need to do more.

Just a thought. These animals need a voice for HUMANE treatment surely WE as humans need to make responsible choices

whataview


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 12:51

cont . on their behalf.

hawkeye


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 13:04

not before time something was done about the strays!!!!! and sorry to say I do not believe that all dogs should be spayed, castrated and dumped back onto the streets, for people to feed them....... Causing accidents, and attacks.

blade


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 13:23

When you let your dogs play outside, have you ever considered that other people might think of them as a nuisance? Keep them on your land or on a lead.

We all feel terrible about the stray situation here but a cull is needed.

They may be neutered but can still kill other peoples animals. How would you feel if you were a farmer and a hungry pack killed your livestock.??

There is always two sides to the story!

doggiesteve


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 13:38

please do not be offended



why not shoot the strays and give the meat to the people in the karpaz so they do not eat the donkeys ?

tilley


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 13:52

whataviewmsg 7

In yesterday's Cyprus Today there was an article which stated all dogs must be registered and have an identity number(kimlik ),otherwise you can face a 600 TL fine. So if your dog is not yet registered go to the veterinary office in Girne, opposite the Girne state hospital, and get it registered you pay 10TL, then go to your belediye, and then it is registered with them, you pay another small fee depending if the dog is male/female and or has been neutered. It doesn't take long to do.

Ozangirl


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 14:47

Totally agree that stray dogs need to be culled here in the TRNC, it is an ever growing problem. I for one am sick of clearing up dog mess in my own garden when I don't even own a dog!!! I also have 2 young children who constantly have to be told to watch where they are walking as the mess on our pavements and outside of our gate is disgusting. To tag and re-release dogs back to the same area is not a solution.

eagleyemonkey


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 14:51

I can't remember exactly when, but in the recent past, people in the UK have been attacked by dogs that have 'packed' together.

jenfarrall


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 15:00

For very different reasons,i have to agree a humane dog cull is long overdue here.

I cannot begin to imagine the misery these poor, starving,sick,scared dogs we see everywhere are exsisting in and,IMHO,think humanely ending this misery is surely the kindest ,human thing we can do.We cannot possibly save them all,do we have the right to watch them die slow miserable deaths?

Groucho



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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 15:37

Humane? Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion... doesn't sound like killing to me!

negativenick


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 15:55

3d world country - what do you expect ?

bigjuss


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 16:15

i remeber the packs of strays in the 90's that roamed ozankoy,causing big problems,same happened then,word went round,if your dog has no collar,& its roaming,its liable to get shot.

the army went out,rounded the strays up,problem solved.

dog culling in the trnc may shock a few of us animal loving brits,you have to accept you are in a society where the government & army just "get the job done" on social problems without all the red tape & faffing about, that we waste time and millions on in the uk.

it may be a harsh & hardline decision by the powers that be, but thats how things are done in the trnc.

we are not in the "nanny" state that england has become,its the trnc,laws & decisions are made a bit tougher here,thats what makes the trnc great & one of the safest places to be.

because its hardline,theres no junkies,winos,crack dealers & wierdos on the streets!

same goes for packs of dogs shitt**g all over,causing accidents & attacking people

common sense? = round em up !!

Hamish


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 16:16

As i said earlier it is an emotive subject with differing opinions - but one thing is for sure - if a dog (or any other animal) needs to be euthanased then it should be done in a "humane" way.

The methods that are likely to be used by this type of cull ARE NOT likely to be HUMANE. Shooting/Poisoning - is that humane ? or a drug which is often used here by G'ment vets is Lystenon (suxymythonen) - it is administered without a sedative and quite literally freezes/paralyses the chest wall. The animal will be fully mentally aware and will feel the pain whilst it is dying of suffocation ! Is that humane ? It was very likely the outcome for the dogs that were killed yesterday.

Regardless of the opinions of the rights/wrongs of culling i am sure you will all agree that such inhumane methods should not be used nor condonned. Any type/form of culling needs to be monitored and controlled properly - sadly that appears not always to be the case here.

Hence one of KAR's concerns.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 16:57

msg19...surely it is inhumane to leave dogs to starve/scavenge and form "Packs"...Neuter and release does nothing to help the animal concerned,it may live in absolute pergatory for years untill it dies of starvation or some awful disease............It just is NOT the answer !!!!

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 17:00

Mesage 17 from Nick in Vietnam or so he says.

Scoty


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 17:03

Re msg 17 - no problems there - they eat them!

Does not help with the situation and problems of strays here. Drove past at least 4 dead dogs today lying on the road side. Not a pleasant sight.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 17:13

The situation re stray dogs is completely out of hand here ,and getting worse...I am of the opinion that desperate situations call for "Draconian" measures ......and, some recognition from the Government as to the Magnitude of the problem.would help.....without proper Legislation nothing will change....

Hamish


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Posts: 128

Message Posted:
17/02/2011 17:16

msg 20 - Neuter and Return/Release programmes and their merits and downfalls have been discussed many times and at great length on this forum. It seems that no one can come up with a total solution to the problem of strays here and it is likely that noone will.

In the meantime concerned people (whoever they are) can only do whatever they can given the situation. One thing that , i feel, should be done IF there MUST be culling is that such culling uses humane methods. Not methods which could lengthen the pain involved or add to the pain caused. It is bad enough that they have to be killed - surely we should ensure that it is done Humanely.

Would anyone want their pet dog to be put to sleep using methods such as Shooting/Poisoning/Lystenon ??? !!!! Why then should it be deemed acceptable for strays. The stray dog will still feel the same pain and distress as their lucky "pet dog" counterparts.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 17:16

Is there any evidence that this happened for sure? or is it another "a friend of a friend told me" story?

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 17:22

Bigjuss Msg 18



"because its hardline,theres no junkies,winos,crack dealers & wierdos on the streets "



No , just folks who rape donkeys, plenty of child molesters if the local papers are to be believed, builders and advocates who rip you off with impunity......................................... I could go on



Paul

negativenick


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 17:59

mess 21 - sod off hogwash - none of your business where i am...............



You stick to your freezing concrete tent and i'll mop up the Florida sunshine........

bigjuss


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Posts: 221

Message Posted:
17/02/2011 18:03

paul,you sound like another disgruntled moaning brit whos been ripped off by a builder,and now turned trnc hater with no choice but to stay and slag the place off.....

do you honestly think the trnc is full of child molesters?

do you honestly think cypriot people rape donkeys?

if thats your view of the trnc,i feel sorry for you,but do us all a favour and pi*s off back to where you came from.

adding comments such as your last one in a genuine discussion is just not needed and if i was a cypriot id be quite offended by your statement.

did you not do your homework on the property or pile of bricks you paid for? or did you get caught out with that old chestnut,buying an off plan"cartoon image" from a bloke in a 100ytl a week office with a desk, some brochures and a few posters on the walls.......lol

if you are currently in the trnc....id move if i was you

if you are in england........keep your nasty negative comments to yourself,go live in benidorm....lol

jenfarrall


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 18:12

and it is kind,merciful and compassionate to watch animals slowly starve to death in who knows what misery? Or is it more humane to look the other way? Humanity has many interpretations,one is ending unbearable suffering - - - - - - IMHO

doggiesteve


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 18:27

do you honestly think the trnc is full of child molesters? >>> .... read kibris there are nany prosected each week



do you honestly think cypriot people rape donkeys? ... >>> at least 3 cases in the last year





read some t/c newspapers the stench of corruption incest and buggery is disgusting

snd1966


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 18:47

Oh dear we moan about the animal population and when something is done we still moan. I am sure so many have their UK heads on BUT in the UK we are allowed to turn a blind eye to these problems. Dogs get rounded up all the time, after six days destroyed if not claimed, farmers have the right to shoot your animal if caught worrying livestock and you have to pay compensation. Unfortunately here it is always done in the public eye as in like a statement Look we are doing something. I understand a lot of these street dogs have become part of the community but unfortunately a lot more are being added to the streets. If this country were as clean as some would like it the cat and dog population would suffer. Yes I have three dogs, two turned up as puppies but I can now say I never want a dog again the tie and responsibility of three is too much. Two home cats and six street cats down from 19(luckily neutered thank you KAR), which I wish, would move on.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 19:07

Why hasn't KAR or someone from KAR commented re these posts?

Scoty


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 19:07

Why does a realistic post turn into personal abuse and who shafts who.

Yes a cull is needed. Shoot them straight get rid. If it is YOUR dog, should not be out free.

Clean the island up.

This is the TRNC - not a little Britain(thank heaven for that). Shit happens.

Who can blame the authorities for 'getting rid of unwanted vermin' - that is what any animal is that is not looked after.

Drove past 4 dead dogs by road side today - great advert for tourists!!

Scrounging dogs around your hotel /villa complex - yeah - lovely!!

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 19:29

BigJuss



Re Msg 28.



I seem to have hit a raw nerve - not my intention I can assure you.



No, not a TRNC hater and have not fallen foul of rogue builders. I have been here just over 2 years and rent my property - I honestly wouldn't dream of buying here for all the obvious reasons.



However, I do not walk around with rose tinted blinkers on. The cases I mentioned (as confirmed by doggiesteve at message 30) have been reported in Kibris and Cyprus Today. I was merely pointing out that despite the TRNC's 'hardline' measures (your words not mine), the country, like any other, still has its' fair share of perverts and weirdos.



Apologies if these facts dent your utopian vision of the TRNC. By the way, I have no intention of p***ing off back to UK as you so politely put it - at least not yet anyway



Best Wishes



Paul

martinD41


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 19:58

Back to stray dog problem please!

Maz


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 20:19

Animals and children always tug at the heart strings and bring out fierce emotions, but the truth here has to be that it is a problem that won't go away (stray dogs - not children), and so far no proper solution has been found.



However, I do feel kinda sorry for the authorities. It is their place to do what they are ordered (or think they are ordered) and the quesiton is 'how to do it'. I know of dogs thgat have been poisoned in various parts of Girne and around, and several owners jhonestly believe that it was the work of the muhtar of the Beleidye, both of which deny any such activity. But no one EVER gets caught do they. There ARE laws concerned animals, and poisoning them or offending them (by rape!) are punishable by law.

Anyone heard of anyone being punished recently. What's to do. People complain to the belediye/police as their lives are made difficult by strays. The Belediye or someone sympathetic to their cries acts, and then there is a backlash.

Has ANYONE got an an

Maz


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 20:21

cont/ answer as I am sure the Government would like one.



Meanwhile, I agree wiuth the original posting that one should perhaps need to ask to see some identification or check the car number belongs to belediye.



But just consider the lorries that were reported for dumping rubbish in Malatya. They were Alsancak Belediye lorries, but it was all denied. So, it is unlikely you will find the truth.



Most dog owners will not let their dogs go sniff in the street, and that is the best way to ensure longevity and health for them.

bazzagirl


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 20:31

sorry to venture off track i wish we could cull a lot of people, the most evil of species on this planet, when i die i want to reincarnate as a dog but not in the TRNC. Im slowly but surely going off mankind, who are greedy selfish, cruel and pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Money is peoples number one issue, love and devotion are dogs number one issue?

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 20:59

So you are pretending to be in Florida now NN, my you do get about.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 21:09

And NN it is my business when you "say or pretend" you are in a third world country and slag of this one as being one.



I seem to remember it is against the board rules.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 21:20

It seems the TRNC stray animal problem has been allowed to get out of hand and almost ignored until people like KAR (Brits)got involved...The sad part is that although KAR ardently pursue an insurmountable task,they are merely scratching the surface of what is now a problem of epidemic proportions.Yet the Government seem utterly preoccupied with all "future" problems ,without tackling the problems here "NOW",one of which is stray animals and the solution to same..No one wants to make the ultimate decision for a solution ,but the time will come when the options run out........!

martinD41


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 21:23

pugwash...Stray Dogs if you please!!

the2ofus


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 21:33

Isn't part of Hamish post about the method of culling. i don't think he (or she) is saying totally against culling - just the method which appears to be used which is felt to be inhumane and extends suffering.! Also the need for the "culling" to be mointored to avoid "inhumane" procedures/medicines being used. That surely is not a bad thing.

if there are drugs available to make the sufering less than why can't they be used instead of the nasty Lystenon one. Why does it have to be so "inhumane" - is it about cost ?

I would be horrified if my vet were to recommend one of the methods Hamish talks about as a way of ending any of my dogs or cats lives. So as he/she says why should the same consideration not be given to stray dogs - they all feel the same pain.

honestie


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 21:38

msge 38



have to agree with you there are many humans out on the street and also in packs that are are worse than the animals!



and not just in TRNC.



Going back to the thread is it Kar policy to not put animals to sleep under aany circumstances and if not why not

swyflot


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 21:46

So the people who dump dogs get away scot free.....WHY and there is no incinerator here so all the dead dogs are dumped on the tip,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,wonderful

Lilli



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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 22:27

I remember when I found my BJ , it was a shxx hole of a place, 15 puppies roaming around and 4 mummies tied to various trees. After 4 days of feeding them i found BJ with his stomach so ripped apart. I asked the shephard if I could take him to the vets. He said doctor has been, yeah right. So we went and saved his life.I continuted feeding pups and mums until the shephard got cross with me and told me never to come again. That was because I reported it to KAR. It turned out the shephard was the Muhtar of my village. He came to see me and had the grace to apologise. I asked him why let the mums keep going through this, get them done. His reply why spoil their fun. Education if at all possible please x

Maz


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 22:52

I believe there is a policy NOT to put dogs down with KAR, and that is why they neuter the animals, tag them and put them back on the streets. but you would need someone connected with the charity to confirm this. There are some strong feelings for and against euthenasia of dogs, but I believe that for KAR it is not an option.



And Lilli is right - education, and sadly it may well take another couple of generations.

the2ofus


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 23:00

Picture this - repeated massive round up and culling of all loose and/or stray dogs. All dead. Problem solved.

That isu ntil the people let the dog they have at home (or in the garden or in the shed or in the cage) carry on having puppies because they can't be bothered, or say "it is not natural", to have them spayed or neutered. Or they know someone who would like a puppy - never mind that the other 6 in the litter are not wanted. Then what ? They will become the next generation of loose/stray dogs on streets.

Within 1 year the situation would be getting back to "normal" - unwanted dogs on the street - KAR and others trying to what they can to stop them reproducing again - people whinging and moaning about the situation.

Solution - Lets cull them !! Problem solved.

So it begins again and repeats again and again.

Lilli - i agree Education is the key but it takes a long time for the key to open the door.

As far as i have seen KAR School Education Programme is the only programme

Lilli



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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 23:12

msg 48 I know love and KAR have tried so hard, we will have to await a new generation I fear. You know my lovely Tessa whom Im trying to find a home for. Well last week her and I were sat outside the restaurant. Two lovely boys came to me and said can we stroke the dog please. I said of course but please be careful. The youngest said I would love to take her home. I said ask your mummy and daddy. He said they hate animals. I felt so sad. The older of the two was russian and the young one turkish.They go to sunny lane school and pass by 2 or 3 times a week to see her. What Im trying to say is KAR have gone in at grass route level which is right, the kids may educate the parents xxxx

shrimp


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 23:15

Lets hope so Lili........

the2ofus


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 23:39

msg 47 & 49

We are all agreed.

In the interim what is the solution ????? As per Hamish posts IF there is no alternative to culling, while we are waiting for education to take effect, is it right that we do not EDUCATE the CULLERS about what is and isn't the humane way to CULL ?

msg 29 - agree - but shouldn't humanity also include during "the need to end unbearable suffering" not to cause other/additional unbearable suffering (as per the fate of dogs killed with Lystenon which must be excrutiatingly painful).

Maz


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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 23:44

Maybe a few folk shoudl read books by Stringer on animal rights! That might persuade some people in high places that practices should change. Don';t think the books are in Turkish though.



Unfortunately, it is the government that has to bring about reform. The British laid down laws which are no longver upheld (as far as I know). If the government banned the easy purchase of poisons, that would be a good step towards stopping this cruel, wicked, barbaric practice, and if the law allowed the proper facilities for helping animals to go on their way to their own paradise, this country could be well on its way to solving the problem of toio many stray dogs, and too many regular little breeders.



So, how does one get the government to take this on board.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
17/02/2011 23:49

the2ofus i agree. Whilst you all know what I'm like re dogs here, if there was a safe and humane way then I have to change my thinking. I cant bear it, tonight a cat was dead in front of the house. Road kill. This is what these poor souls live with. Road Kill, Shot, Poisioned. I guess they would have the road kill. That is why I didn't totally agree with KAR policy at the beginning to chop and put back as the same fate awaits them, however i have changed my mind after taking in so many strays , no sorry abandoned dogs myself.

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
18/02/2011 03:11

I think there should be in all the media, a day - say a month in advance notice - given, that ANY animal found on the streets will be culled. The problem will never go away otherwise, and a pack of feral starving dogs will attack a child any time soon - hunger will drive them to it.......



All pets should be registered and spayed and neutered and micro-chipped also.

Jefferson


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Message Posted:
18/02/2011 08:02

I was approached the other day by Lapta Belediyesi and asked if I had a dog. I think the are tightening up on registering dogs, maybe prior to something like Girne.

nostradamus


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Message Posted:
18/02/2011 08:40

It used to be the case, some years, ago that Lapta Belediye used to get the government veterinary department out periodically to rid the village of stray dogs. The Belediye maintained that all dogs should be confined to the owner's property and should be wearing a collar and identification tag. At that time, woe and betide any dog that was on the streets when this cull took place. My understanding is that this practice ceased because the veterinary dept. did not have the staff to continue to do this. If they are planning to re-introduce this scheme, they certainly have my full backing! It would be nice if they could also do something about the apparently exploding population of stray cats as well.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
18/02/2011 11:04

Stray cats are a pest and a possible health hazard,but a pack of Starving Dogs is a tragedy waiting to happen,it's only a matter of time before a child gets hurt ..........Then it will be "We must do something"..... too late!!

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
18/02/2011 20:15

This is great news if it is true will be over soon and it will be nice not seeing dead dogs and strays along the roadside.don't worry how 'humane it is think of the pain of being hit by a car or starving this will be a lot quicker.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 20:53

foster you only have to go on the bypass and see how many are put out of their misery . Its all so sad x

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 09:11

There is a report on this cull in Cyprus today.

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:11

There is no other solution. I really do not think that speying, vaccinating and putting them back on the streets is viable, I think in the end it is extremely cruel and does nothing to help the dogs. It must be a slow, painful death to starve to death or have your kidneys fail because in the summers there is no water around at ground level.



So many people here are trying tohelp the dogs but there are just so many and they cannot all be helped, it is beyond time that there was a regular cull (but humanely) until there are NO dogs out on the streets at all.



Perhaps dogowners will then take better care of their pets. knowing that they will be culled if let out.



But the upside will be that there will not be thousands of puppies and they will cease being such a cheap commodity which is cuddled and loved for a couple of months then thrown out for some reason.



People might just be happy to have one dog then.

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:57

Has anyone noticed there are less strays or is it a drop in the ocean?

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 17:13

The only way to an excessive stray dog problen is a .22 between the eyes, a painless method, been there , done it, the most humane way.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 17:17

Don't know about stray dogs but there seem to be more on the streets.Owners let them out to do their 'doings' and then wonder why bad things happen.



TYhe other menace in it all is that the dogs chase cars, almost asking to be killed, and if an accident happened it owuld be the car owner that got the blame.



Responsible ownership is perhaps the beginning, and then dealing with true strays is next.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 18:02

There is a humane way to put a dog to sleep. An overdose of anesthetic so they go to sleep and don't wake up is all that is needed. This method is more expensive than the less in humane injection which is used here. Sadly when our dog needed putting to sleep due to illness we insisted on the anesthetic method but it isn't usually offered.

racoonchic



Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 18:08

stop them hunting first and the need for most of these dogs will fall dramaticly . 50% are dumped when the owner realises its not a good gun dog.. make it law when they register the guns they must register the dogs. or risk having both licenses revoked for good.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 18:10

Which ever form of euthanasia you prefer, the first consieration should be the dog.

Ween driving to the airport early morning there are dozens ofr these unfortunate creatures along the road.This way of life for these animals should not an must not be allowed to continue, so a cull is the only way.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 18:18

Msg 66

Never in a million years would I consider 99%of these strays to be gun dogs.Read my profile. They are just unfotunate animals.

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 19:24

Like you paddywack I am a countryman and have owned and trained springers and labs all my life. I agree that the majority of strays are not dundog breeds, but some are and you see them running around desperate the day after a shooting day. They get lost because they are never properly trained in the first place so the owners cannot control them. Training a gundog is continuous, you never stop with the refreshers - just taking them out on a shooting day is no answer.

On another point, a KAR spokesperson in a recent Cyprus Today article claimed that VAT costs them 16,000tl per month. That must give them a minimum financial budget of 100,000 per month and 1.2million per year - plus all the donations in kind and voluntary help they receive. At these sorts of figures I wonder why there is any stray or unfed dog in TRNC.

shoogaroo


Joined: 27/01/2011
Posts: 59

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 19:30

Three weeks ago, I was approached by a reporter, who told me that poison darts were at Farmagusta port awaiting collection from various Belediyesi, and these were to be used on the street dogs. I informed KAR and gave the phone number of the reporter. This way of killing the dogs is so inhumane. They really suffer a horrendous death.

hollylou


Joined: 05/01/2011
Posts: 163

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 19:42

well said jovial john and kar say no money

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 00:27

Who was the reporter in message 70? Reliable? Which paper? And if you say you cannot tell, then at least tell in which paper this tale was reported.

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 12:39

So there are still loads of roaming dogs around so the cull never worked lets hope its on going.

shoogaroo


Joined: 27/01/2011
Posts: 59

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:25

It was a reporter from the Star

shoogaroo


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:26

His name is Haluk Dogandor

paddywack


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Posts: 959

Message Posted:
21/02/2011 00:11

MSG 75,

Sounds a wee dodgy to me.

loulouis


Joined: 13/12/2009
Posts: 234

Message Posted:
21/02/2011 00:20

Lets have a cull a dog week , any method, use a hammer,, a brick ,or if you have a gun all the better. Bloody sick of do gooders on here wailing and moaning stop the dog cull . As you are all aware stray dogs. stray cats are a bloody nuisance so lets get rid of them all. Cats wailing and messing on your garden . Dogs barking all bloody night fouling the pavements running around in packs. If I see the guys who are culling them I will shake there hands not report there reg to you bloody idiots who want to save a Mutt. A disgruntled TRNC resident.

Loulouis

paddywack


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Posts: 959

Message Posted:
21/02/2011 00:27

loulouis,support your sentiment, don`t support your method ,read message 67.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
21/02/2011 00:36

msg 77 are you the same liberal who said that gay adoption was wrong (digusting) ?