Are we the owners of the most expensive timeshare in the TRNC

bazzagirl


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 13:55

Are the buyers of properties in the TRNC without deeds, the owners of some of the most expensive time share

property in the world.

cronos


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 14:02

I suppose that is one way of looking at it !



But to be honest I'd have much more confidence in the legality of a timeshare contract, than any property contract drafted in the TRNC.

bazzagirl


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 14:03

Yes cronos i agree with you there 100%

YFred


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 14:05

Cronos that is unfair. There are plenty of crooked lawyers in every country. Look at how much Madoff made off with, billions. What the poor TRNC lawyers do is chicken feed. Before appointing a lawyer do your research and get a recommended lawyer and buy from a recommended builder. I am sure there are plenty of both.

cronos


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 14:17

Yfred....a recommended lawyer and a recommended builder are not enough to protect you from a corrupt and discriminatory system !



My local TC builder was fantastic....he went the extra mile to sort things for us.



My advocate did everything in their power.



The TRNC property system stinks....have the good grace to admit it !

paddywack


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 14:43

You are talking Middle East not the shires of Middle England

cronos


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 14:47

Paddywack....msg 6



Was your reply to me?



If so, are you agreeing or disagreeing with my comment?

bazzagirl


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 15:03

Its such a shame because we have such a lovely property here in the TRNC, but as most of you say corrupt developers and lawyers make it an unhappy experience, i do have a property i own in Florida which i brought last year with no problems at all and obtained my deeds with a week, i did really choose to live in the TRNC, but now it will have to be Florida. Such a shame such a beautiful country.

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 15:12

well my timeshare vacation weeks on gran canaria cost me £15000 each 11 years ago but they are mine for life and can be passed on to my family for generations to come to totally enjoy.

http://www.anfi.com it is lovely there.

am quite willing to swap them though for a nice apartment with 180 degree sea views in north cyprus ...

any takers?

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 15:48

Timeshare are for x amount of weeks in a year 'your' villa is yours for 52 weeks in a year so if its 5k a week timeshare unless you paid more than 260k your quids in. Also you can rent it out and make money so far better than a time share.Unless like a lot on here you have a half built unliveable place then you would be better with a time share.

paddywack


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:02

Msg 7,

No just a general comment

cronos


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:04

Good point Fosterscan.



However I think Bazzagirl's tongue in cheek comments were more along the lines that anyone without deeds in the TRNC may be on borrowed time !

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:17

Chronos

Just sit back and think:

We are all living on borrowed time.

Fact: Life is temporary, death is permanent.

You are one unhappy chappy, are you going to take that attitude to your grave?

cronos


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:21

AJ



Calm down !



I know I've dared to say the unthinkable....that there is anything wrong with the TRNC....but one day even you will wake up and see the truth.



Keep wearing the rose tinted sunglasses !

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:34

AJ

Existence is permanent! We are spiritual beings experiencing in the physical body. The good news and the incredible news is that we do not leave beloved ones behind. And so, there is no emotional pain involved in death for the Soul that has died. When we die, we meet our "still living" loved ones on the Other Side - where the largest part of them exists in the place of No Time/No Space.

A truth that religions do not teach us is this: We exist simultaneously on both sides of the veil that separates the Realm of the Physical from the Realm of the Spiritual. We only divide ourselves in order to experience the Realm of the Physical, we do not leave the Spiritual Realm.

Events are just events and the important thing is how we re-act to these events. But I know, it's all about personal perspective

martinD41


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:35

cronos,,,Just maybe AJ can see the truth and "CAN" handle it!!

martinD41


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:41

Walkerscott,,,,I really hope you believe that!.......I however do not..

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:52

Hi Martin

I do ... however I also realise that everything is about personal perspective ... everything!

Everyone re-acts to events according to their perspective and we all need to accept that. We can all change our perspective of life if we wish to.

YOUR VISION OF LIFE: From this Vision will emerge a Desire. From this Desire will emerge a Mission. From this Mission will emerge a Purpose. From this Purpose will emerge a Function. From this Function will emerge an Outcome. From this Outcome will emerge an Experience. From this Experience will emerge a Reality. From this Reality will emerge an Awareness. From this Awareness will emerge a Way of Being. And the Circle will be Complete. And Life will go on, Everlasting.

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 16:53

Aj i agree with that why worry what will happen deeds mean nothing in the trnc no one knows when or if the property problem will be resolved.

cronos


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 17:05

Fosterscan...msg 19



Presumably you are only thinking of the "property problem" in terms of if and when the GC's will have the cheek to ask for their property back ?



What about the other "problem"....where people's homes are being auctioned from under their feet after memoranda have been placed on them to cover the deedholder's debts?



But as you say...why worry,eh ?

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 17:22

Cronos i sympathise with them and the government should stop it happening ,but everyone knew there was a risk buying thats why property was cheap. People are scamed all over the world and in different ways life is a gamble some you win some you lose.Lie back and enjoy while you can.

shrimp


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 18:05

Walkerscott, ditto every word

blade


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 18:34

Well if you purchased or so you thought purchased, stolen GC land, what did you expect?

They saw you coming!

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 18:57

cronos

Re message 14:

'but one day even you will wake up and see the truth.

Keep wearing the rose tinted sunglasses !'



I saw the truth a long time ago not just here in the TRNC but in a lot of other countries around the world and I learnt a big lesson and that lesson was learnt from people that have had a life far worse than you or me and those people have suffered more than you or me will ever suffer. Please do not patronize me.

flutterby


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 18:59

When a war is fought, land divisions change. The land is not 'STOLEN' - it belongs to whom won it. And let's not go into the land over in the South that belonged to TC's!! Now it is what is IS!! As to expensive timeshares, we have spent a full 4 and a half years here, and for what we paid for our property, it works out a lot cheaper than a timeshare!!! So in the worst possible case scenario, and we lose the lot, it has not cost us any more than holidaying or timesharing for a five or so year period. And no we didn't burn out bridges by selling up in the UK, and yes, we were lucky that we had a good developer and mediocre builder, but we are not alone, you all seriously think it is not as bad in Spain, Egypt, Bulgaria, yes get your rose coloured spectacles off, for buying abroad has its risks in any country, you just have to protect yourself best you can and stop moaning about it all, life is not a rehearsal!!!!!

bazzagirl


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 20:04

Walkerscott youve made my day and everything you have said is so right believe me i know through losing my beloved son last year, the body is dead but his spirit is well and truly alive. You and cronos are amongst the minority few on this forum that are down to earth and speak sensibly. God Bless xxxxx

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
19/02/2011 20:11

Bazzagirl, thank you for your kind words. I am sorry for your loss.

When we do the thing called "die" we simply Dissipate Identifying Energies (DIE), flowing our Essence once again back into the Whole Soul and the One Identity that we are.

There, waiting for us on the Other Side when we pass, are the Whole Souls of all those we have loved - in this lifetime and in all lifetimes. These Whole Souls have the ability to coalesce themselves into any shape or form they wish...and they do so...assuming the shape of the beloved ones that we have just left in the Physical Realm.

We recognize these Souls at once, of course! And we laugh and dance with joy at the immediate knowing that we never left each other at all - and never will, for WE ARE All ONE, existing always and all ways in the eternal glory of the Singularisation Of Unified life (S-O-U-L) that is God knowing Itself!

God Bless you x

janjin



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 13:39

walkerscott

Your posts are very eloquent and moving thanks for your messages.

shrimp


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 13:47

Bazzagirl, there has been a book just written for you in mind.....it is called The Shack by Wm Paul Young.....it answers the questions that I am sure you have been asking yourself, if you only read one book in the next year make it this one...........and let me know how you get on!! Shrimpx

ozkent


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 15:42

What ennoys me most about some of these post are the prats who say we bought on the cheap. I for

one sunk nearly every penny i own in trying to make the last few years i have left as nice as possible

after a very hard working life. Its not perfect but its a damsite better than getting up at 5 in the morning

and slogging my guts out.

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 15:56

Re Msg 30

Ron, I agree with you. No one bought cheap! Cheap to What? Nothing is cheap anywhere and it is all relative. It is certainly not cheap in North Cyprus and most locals could not afford the prices most foreigners have paid for property so I agree whole heartedly with your frustration.

Anyone who has purchased here has contributed to the whole of the TRNC society.

Try not to allow comments to upset you Ron. Enjoy the here and now and the peace and tranquility of North Cyprus. God Bless You.

ozkent


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 16:09

Walkerscott thank you for your very kind words its nice to know that there still somebody out there who still

has faith in life.

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 16:31

Cheap to Cyprus or any eu country.Ask why most people bought in trnc and they say because it was cheap.

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 16:55

Fosterscan

If people want cheap, they go to Bulgaria, Russia, Poland, Brazil, Albania...

Cyprus offers much more than property, sun, views, peace, security of life and limb, connection to NATO and to the RoC, and and and ....

Nothing is cheap! "It is all about personal perspective though" ...

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 17:36

Walkerscott i think most compare to the uk where it will cost 20k to have a garage built in your own garden or compare with the roc where an apartment was 100k and yes it is personal perspective .Where else can you buy close to the sea all year sunshine beautiful views and 4 hours on a plane for 30k.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 17:56

walkerscott

You could have said Chad ,Peru,or Mongolia, Zaire,Afgahnistan



Think Forsterscan was talking cheap comparitively. ie a place in the Medi, with a climate that enables someone to either holiday whenever they want or live there permanantly. Climate alone knocks out Russia ,Poland ,or Albania. Didnt know property was cheap there anyway.If the prices were the same in Portugal as TRNC ,people would buy in Portugal instead. The reason property prices are cheap is because nobody wants to buy there, that applies to towns , countries anywhere. Oversupply and poor demand.

I couldnt afford most other places ,didnt fancy Spain.so opted for NC,plus they drive on the left.

Reasons people dont want to buy in NC is totally down to the TRNC.How many people dont own there property ,or have lost there life savings or property in NC due to the situation with the ROC compared to the TRNC system.

Check the internet ,NC property these days ',bargepole' and touch are common words.

paddywack


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 17:58

Say what you like, to be able to book a flight any time, know your clothes and personal things will be here, and the sun will be shining when you open the curtains, priceless, enjoy.

blade


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:17

Just think what happened to the Orams regarding the stolen land they purchased, i rest my case!

brother



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:28

It doesn't matter how many times the phrase "stolen land" is repeated as it simply was not. Adopting a less emotive stance on the situation and considering it in a dispassionate way may reveal that the situaion is more complex.

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:47

Exchange Land. Many Greek Cypriots fled south in 1974 and Turkish Cypriots fled North, though in lesser numbers, both leaving behind them homes, land and buildings. The TRNC government have for many years operated an 'exchange' system (known as 'Esdeger' pronounced 'eshtare'), whereby Turkish Cypriots who left land and property behind in the South could register their 'loss' with the TRNC, and were instead awarded points enabling them to take over land and property in the North which was abandoned by Greek Cypriots fleeing south, on an 'exchange' basis.



its not stolen its exchange thats what the estate agents say..........

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 20:00

blade

Tell us exactly what did happen to the Orams? Has the villa been demolished? has the land been given back to the 'alleged' GC owners? And I say alleged because..... No I am sure you know about the falsification of title deeds by the ROC government.

I would suggest you need to avail yourself of the facts and not listen and take in the misinformation that is peddled by your government and fellow countrymen.

brother



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 20:33

Msg. 40: The single quotes in "...Turkish Cypriots who left land and property behind in the South could register their 'loss' with the TRNC..."



is not quite correct as they have indeed lost at least a normal use of their properties. Just like the Greek Cypriots who lost their rights to properties in KKTC.

As regards "..., and were instead awarded points enabling them to take over land and property in the North which was abandoned by Greek Cypriots fleeing south, on an 'exchange' basis."

The 'exchange' is really a form of compensation - I would define it as 'in exchange'. As an immediate aftermath of war this is not unusual. Yes, land and property was taken and this is what unilaterally happens in war.

cronos


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 22:59

It is important to accept that "Esdeger" does not mean Exchange.....it means "equivalent "



No exchange took place.



Exchange requires the agreement or consent of both parties.

brother



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 23:07

Msg. 43: Hence the potential misunderstanding/assumption by prospective buyers. Estate agents have always tried to be conservative with the truth - otherwise nobody will view let alone actually buy the given property

philbailey


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 23:10

msg 41 what did happen to the orams



are they still enjoying their retirement

cronos


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 23:23

AJ...msg 41



Yes ,please explain for any newcomers what DID happen to the Orams.



Are they living in the villa they built on Esdeger title land ?

If not, why not?

Did they follow all the rules for purchase in the TRNC?

Have they lost their life savings after years of stress and heartache?

Has the TRNC government compensated them for their loss?

Has the TRNC govt allowed them to demolish "their" villa to comply with the ECHR ruling so they can avoid financial penalties levied against their UK assets?



Blind servitude to the "glorious" KKTC does you no favours AJ.

By all means support them from within, but at least have the courage to admit their shortcomings and advise people accordingly.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 23:33

The whole of the TRNC is a made up of quick sand it undulates before your eyes! and yes it probably is the most "Expensive Timeshare in the World" it more than likely will depend if your stomach can cope with stormy seas! or if the sickness can be controlled with "Quells" because if it can't your in for a very rough ride! as I am sure the Orams must have endured!

philbailey


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Message Posted:
21/02/2011 00:32

surely knowing the recent history is a warning



i check with HPI when buying a car

sienna


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Message Posted:
21/02/2011 08:02

not all end badly though ..... so far there are places out there that are finished and have deeds and enjoyed year after year.