You want top ret out your yk property ? Beware

doggiesteve


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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:05

Evicting a woman from her council home for failing to pay rent would breach her human rights, judges ruled yesterday.



Town Hall chiefs wanted to evict Rebecca Powell, who receives thousands of pounds in benefits, after she ran up more than £3,500 in arrears on the accommodation she was given because she was homeless.



But the Supreme Court said that – under the controversial European Convention on Human Rights – this would >>>be a breach of the right to ‘respect for a person’s home’. <<<



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360046/New-ECHR-ruling-lead-thousands-tenants-refusing-pay-rent.html#ixzz1EtQIdine

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:15

Ah! the Daily Mail again

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:16

So where does it end? Everyone can stop paying their mortgages, rents.

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:18

AJ



so would you like the press to stop reporting what is going on in the world?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI&feature=player_embedded

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:28

Quarmby

There is press and there is press.

Papers that sensationalize stories (i.e. being selective about what they want to print rather than the full facts) are not worthy of being called newspapers.

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:32

AJ

perhaps you could enlighten us and give us the facts in this case.

caulkhead


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:40

Don't panic! The convention only applies to public bodies, so it is really only social tenants who can try this on. Private landlords need not be too worried.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:41

Quarmby

I do not know the facts of this particular case (do you?) but I do know from previous experiences that the Mail (and certain other newspapers) go for shock tactics to increase readership numbers.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 19:24

Freedom of speech promoted by a member of admin on a forum is slighty ironic

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 19:39

What the heck has freedom of speech got to do with it? We are discussing what the papers want to publish in the way of 'facts' and what they do not publish because it would make a potential sensational story mediocre.

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 20:20

AJ if you don't know the facts why comment?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 20:26

Which press would you recommend please aj

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 21:07

The facts of the case and the Judgement are here.

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKSC/2011/8.html



The reason for the allowing of the appeal in the Powell case was that as the council had a continuing duty to provide the homeless Ms Powell with accomodation under homelessness legislation and had indeed offered alternative accomodation, it could not be said to be proportionate to evict the tenant, nor had this proportionality ever been subject to a review as required under the European Charter on Human rights.



For this and other reasons the applicablility of the case law is highly limited. I can find none of these very pertinent facts in the reporting by the Daily Mail in the linked article. Experience of the paper's editorial bent on such mattters means that I am not suprised by this fact.





Harold

denizen



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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 21:32

Papers that sensationalize stories (i.e. being selective about what they want to print rather than the full facts) are not worthy of being called newspapers



Here here AJ, could be a mod job going there, mebbe

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 23:16

"You want top ret out your yk property ? Beware"



Yeah well if Daily Mail readers can make sense of this...

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 23:38

philbailey

'Which press would you recommend please aj.



As far as the UK press is concerned I would not recommend any. My argument is that people do not disseminate information from other sources. Most will choose a newspaper that reflects their attitude towards UK life and will believe everything they read in that newspaper. Disseminating information from a variety of sources is the only way to get a better understanding of the subject matter.

arrry



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Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 10:34

See , the " Sun " aint so bad after all !

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 10:40

compared to some of the tosh in cyprus today.....



a cable car to hilairion from girne ???



a promenade from the mercure to cratos via the kyrenia harbor

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 11:29

Well why read it then Nige?

breezyboy


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Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 16:44

The way to stop this is to ensure all housing benefits are paid directly to the landlord, social or private.



In this case it appears she was too thick to claim what she was entitled to so the public purse in general has not lost out.



But hey! She has offered to pay it off at £5 per week which will only take her 13.6 years, assuming she now pays on time.



Like David has been saying nobody should be better off on benefits than they would being in work, Fundamental ain't it!

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 16:59

"She was entitled to around £15,000 a year in housing benefit which could have covered the payments, but had not applied for it properly"



If you read about it even in the mail, you would realise that there is more to this story than meets the eye. She was not paid what she was entitled to in housing benefit which would have come up to 15,000 per year which would come up to 60,000 pounds and the council instead of keeping quiet about it and keeping the 56,500 pounds instead brought the matter infront ot the judge. What pillocks.

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 17:19

this is why the world is in the state its in she probly has 5 kids all diferent blokes womens lib degrading wemen they do it on there own get the arse out and send it to work as the house she is in was earnt buy sombody not laying on his back

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 17:21

Bloomin heck, and I though we were beyond the victorian times.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
25/02/2011 17:47

Gates

'Probly' (sic) is a dangerous word and you are trying to influence peoples attitudes by introducing scenarios that may not exist. I bet I know which paper you read.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
25/02/2011 20:57

The Sporting Life?

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 21:03

philbailey,



The BBC is probably the most trusted news organisation in the world, with the World Service bringing in the most trust. That's why the likes of the Daily Mail and its deluded readers are4 on a permanent crusade against the licence fee - they don't want the great unwashed being educated and informed as it makes them harder to manipulate.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 21:03

Grouch

Well it certainly begins with 'S'

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
25/02/2011 21:12

Zoots

Al Jazeera have my respect especially when it comes to news from the Middle East.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 22:04

Msg 29,



I agree. Al Jazeera follows the BBC code and many are BBC-trained. Not that Dubya had a clue!

swyflot


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 916

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 22:15

Msg 23....and your first language is ...?????????????