This afternoon, AKFINANS BANK broke into another villa at Kulaksiz 5

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
12/03/2011 18:58

This time the villa of an owner living in the U.K. The husband died after the purchase, his illness exacerbated by the stress of this situation. THis time AKFINANS did not have it all their own way, a member of our legal team came, as did 4 newspapers. The police agreed that the changing of the locks was unlawful and sanctioned the neighbours changing them back. Exactly the action Pauline predicted. She has written an article giving details on NCFP but publication will be delayed. blade, two legal opinions also said the breaking into my villa was and is ILLEGAL

This owner is ALSO one of the Petitioners in all the legal cases also.

ECHR CASE INCLUDED

Clearly after getting away with one illegal repssession, they sought to try again.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
12/03/2011 20:43

why are they doing this ?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
12/03/2011 21:05

The short answer is because they think they can, and in my case they did, however now the police seem to be backtracking, apparently it was lawful to do it to me without a court order, but not to my neighbour. See what the ECHR makes of this further violation or attempted vioalation of Human Rights. It will be reported and added to the case.

Marion


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Message Posted:
12/03/2011 21:11

Never mind about 'why are they doing this?' . it is obvious that they feel they are entitled to, but the big question that so man y are asking and which is not being answered from any source, is 'why are they not STOPPED from doing this?'



There is a strange silence form those who should be giving answers, and implementing justice.



Is there anyone out there who can help Polly and all those affected as to WHERE they can find a solution to all this that is fair, just and healing.

spider


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Message Posted:
12/03/2011 21:44

So very sorry to read this news its terrible, please please keep us all informed..our thoughts are with you all what a liberty these banks and people are taking..







Spider,X

philbailey


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Message Posted:
12/03/2011 22:01

Good luck with the echr



In 1999 the court had a backlog of 60,000 cases. A figure which grew to about 100,000 cases in 2007,[5][6] and to over 120,000 in early 2010.[7][8][9] Owing to its large workload some cases were taking up to five years

philbailey


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Message Posted:
12/03/2011 22:06

Sorry just read that back

No offence to you it was aimed at the Echr and the rest of the puppet meps

Pipie


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Message Posted:
12/03/2011 23:54

Could you please explain the situation of changing of the locks ?



What is the TRNC law on this ?

Jwheeler&Sons


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 01:42

Pauline



I am speaking to Hasan Sungur tomorrow about this abuse.

XX

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 07:09

pipie They gained access to both villas by forcing entry, in my case by forcng open a patio door and a window.

Both villas were secured and LOCKED. I suppose having appeared to have gotten away with breaking into mine which they are in the process of painting and cosmetically 'tarting up', they were feeling cocky and went for the next easiest target. Such HERO's carrying out a campaign of intimidation on old people.

The police apparently reported back the outcome f their investigation on the attempted murder of Agile Chris to the 'accused' Akan Kursat. HIs story apparently changed from 'Agile Chris had a baseball bat' to Akan Kursat wasn't there. So according to Akan Kursat they said it didn't happen, despite a witness saying it did.

The police NEVER REPORTED BACK TO US.



How do you fight such people, well we are doing it through the legal courts AND THROUGH YOU, The Court of public opinion. THanks for your support.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 07:28

Julie, Hasan Sungur is well aware of the situation and he, like everyone else with ANY AUTHORITY ARE RUNNING SCARED FROM THIS BANK - why? You tell me.



Pipie, yesterday we did have a minor success in that the police said it was unlawful and allowed the neighbours to change the locks back. Two legal opinions said the changing of my lcks was a criminal offence.



Remember by law the Bank should have sold all the villas within a year of acquiring them, i.e by 6th June 2011.



We all still dispute the legality of their action. 80% per quarter compound, nice return if you can get it!!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 07:43

Why are they doing this. Marion I do n ot think it is even that they feel that they entitled to. They have an Advocate who clearly knows the law.Do they think, with the arrogance they dsiplay, that they are so rich, so powerful, have so many in their pocket, no one will stop them. Well so far no-one has, up until yesterday, a very minor nevertheless, a victory. They changed the locks, the police allowed the neighbours to change them back.



Makes me feel that perhaps I should now go and change mine back and then wait for the fireworks??? It cannot be right for one and not another, now can it??

gardengnome


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 08:01

Perhaps people should attend on mass and all have a hand in changing the locks this way you can honestly say you did not do it and ypoo do not know who did actually do it ?



I am game ....any one else handy with a screw driver game for a giggle it could be interesting ?????

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 08:06

gardengnome what a good idea, any more takers?? Don't forget though, Akan Kursat reads this forum.

Obviously we are all joking Mr. Kursat or did you also have a bypass on that. Clearly you have all had heart bypass surgery.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 09:08

Pauline Read wrote an article on this latest outrage by Akfinans Bank last night but due to technical difficulties and the editor of NCFP being in transit, it could not be published until this morning. Being a little slow on all things technical Pauline does not know how to post the link here (dummy) it is now on NOrth Cyprus Free Press and if anyone would be kind enough to post this link for her, she will be grateful. Thanks.

gardengnome


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 09:13

here you are http://tinyurl.com/6zjdysn

Pipie


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 09:29

Pipie, yesterday we did have a minor success in that the police said it was unlawful and allowed the neighbours to change the locks back. Two legal opinions said the changing of my lcks was a criminal offence



So if this occurred would I be correct in saying that a writen statement of complaint must be insisted upon and presented at the police station ?



The above presented to the police with either a kochan or sales agreement to prove you were an owner is this correct.?



With the above clearly recorded this would then be evidence that laws have been broken and could assist you in any court action is this correct ?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 09:31

Heart bypass surgery with out replacing the heart.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 09:36

No pipie, there is a clear obligation on Akfinans to obtain the necessary legal sanction, i.e a court order to

take possession of the villa, Pauline is not contesting the fact that Akfinans did buy ALL THE LAND on which the villas stand. When they changed her lock, the Kocan was in the name of Kulaksiz Construction Limited. I do not doubt that when they apply for the court order, they will get it, but they are not prepared to take the correct legal route and are making a mockery of the law. Can you imagine what would happen if a Brit acted in this cavalier fashion?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 09:53

pipie, I know you are only assuming the role of the Devil's advocate, very proficiently I might add, and I know from previous posts, you are sympathetic to our plight. The law here is somewhat different to British law although it often claimed to be modelled on it. All i can say is I am taking advice tomorrow, the fact that the police allowed my neighbours locks to be changed back really only achieved the status quo as far as that villa is concerned. My locks remain changed. That the law came down on the side of Akfinans despite all the anomolies IN their giving the mortgage threw up. That the legal advice given to K5 prior to obtaining this present team may have been flawed is beyond question.



In any ethical modern society, where there is an ongoing legal challenge, the outcome of which is as yet unknown all such provocative and spiteful action would have ceased. THe defendent Akfinans would and should await the court's verdict once they have heard both sides. ALL COURTS

Pipie


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 10:39

pollymarples.



I presume you had a sales agreement on your villa ?



If so I presume it was in your name ?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 10:59

From Pauline pipie The answer to both questions is Yes. I also won a Breach of Contract case against the builder and have Court memorandums on 3 villas a a plot of land, my Advocate assured me that I did not have to give up the villa until I had received the award. She and another separate Adviocate concurred that the action of Akfinans was a criminal act BECAUSE they had not taken the legally prescribed route before breaking in and changing my locks. They had not court order. That Agile Chris had to jump out of the speeding car which was deliberately driven at him, is the stuff horror films are based on. We are not dealing with normal rational people.



I do not know what else I can tell you pipie, I have been very public with everything that has happened, simply because I believe, after receiving threats, it is my protection.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 11:02

sorry pipie, that Agile Chris had to jump out of the way of the speeding car. I made it sound llike he was in the car, of course, he wasn't.

gardengnome


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 11:03

what action will the police take ?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 11:10

None I would guess and even if they took a complaint they would report back to Akan Kursat just as they did when we made a complaint about locks being changed and the attempted murder of Agile. Strange system they have here wouldn't you say, only the accused gets the outcome of a police investigation?

Pipie


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 11:12

I have been told on good authority that if you are obstructed from entering your property as long as you take your sales agreement or Kochan to the police station ensuring you have your name on the sales agreement or kochan , inform them with a written statement then the police have an obligation to help you access your property.

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 11:17

I have placed a link about this and the article on my site to help highlight it:



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 11:19

Thank you pipie, I may well try it, but first I will speak with the legal team since I do have an appointment with them tomorrow.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 11:26

Good luck Pauline, This just beggars belief.

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 12:01

"Do they think, with the arrogance they dsiplay, that they are so rich, so powerful, have so many in their pocket, no one will stop them."

Yes, Polly, that is exactly why they do it! Sadly, they are probably right.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 12:14

Cheers Pollymarples let us know if that info is correct re the police intervening ?



Good luck with it all !!

Troodo


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 12:58

I doubt they will have many friends in the hereafter, if I were one of those cheats and liars I would be very afraid.

Perhaps they are too young and arrogant to realise yet, but they will eventually……

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 13:35

Good Luck Pauline,



Don't let them get you down! If I was over there, I would help you break back in to what is your house!



X

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 14:04

Well, we have just come back from K5, we entered our own driveway and went into the house, a jumped up workman who was working on the empty house next door, the one that was the landowners, came over and started pushing and shoving Agille, said he would phone the police, so Agile offered him his phone to do it.

The other workman inside the house doing cosmetic plastering said nothing. One of our neighbours came to assist us, it could have turned ugly, but we decided to leave before it did. This is definitely out of order and behaviour you would attirbute to the Mafia.



I do have photos. Pauline will put an article onf NCFP.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 17:30

Pauline's latest article - read about Agile Chris being manhandled in his own drive way - now on NCFP

gardengnome


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 17:41

it is reported that someone is/has moved into pauline reads house today.



HUMAN RIGHTS IN TRNC ??

malsancak


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 17:52

Pauline's 2nd article is at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/13/kulaksiz-5-close-up-and-personal/

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/03/2011 18:32

It didn't look very habitable when I was in there this morning, men were plasterng and painting, maybe though

they are putting someone in to stop Pauline reclaiming her villa. In any event, no good wil come to anyone who lives in that house, I am convinced it is cursed.



Poor old Agile Chris had to do some ducking and diving again today, a young sturdy Turk seemed bent on doing him some harm. At one stage I thought he was coming for me and my camera. Real Hero's taking on

a 61 and a 66 year old.



Mafia is as Mafia does.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 06:00

Pauline woke up this morning and pinched herself and said ' did Saturday and Sunday really happen' Agile Chris replied, yeh just a normal weekend in Never Never Land, Never Never Land where you pay your money and may never ever get anything for it. Oh well that explains it then.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 06:33

If you were to ask Pauline what she thinks will be the outcome of the Kulaksiz 5 situation, She would say:



Akfinans Bank Limited will eventually get all the villas of the K5 members. The one ex pat couple who appear to have done a deal will keep theirs, as will the family of the Landowners. Eventually, and with luck the ECHR

WILL RULE IN FAVOUR OF THE KULASKIZ 5 and there wil be monetary compensation, It is her opinion that the ECHR will order punitive measures against the Bank. The real downside wll be, how will the people who have everything invested in their homes live? Will any of us still be alive by this time?



It is important to stress, this is just Pauline's opinion and NOT fact. This is the one occasion she hopes she is entirely WRONG and that the TRNC give KULAKSIZ 5 JUSTICE. If they do not, then the others in the mortgage queue, a conservative estimate of 1400, will be next.



What do you think??

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 12:04

Guess you are all as confused by all this as me.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 18:00

This afternoon THE LEGAL TEAM and a resident of K5 visited the police to make a formal complaint about the break in by Akfinans Bank Limited on Saturday afternoon. Details were in a couple of Turkish language newspapers, one being Kibris Gazetesi whose headline I am told said 'Brtions in Fear'

hollylou


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 19:32

poor you and others that have propertys there it must be awful not knowing what going to happen day by day ,are there really that many propertys ready to go to auctions my god whats this place come to ,im so glad i took the route to rent but that dont help you lot does it my heart goes out to you and i hope you fight all the way god bless you all x

Lilli



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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 19:38

Christ what is all this coming too. My heart bleeds for anyone in this situation x

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 19:46

Yes afraid there are hollylou and it looks very much on the cards that Pauline's villa will have the dubious distinction of being the first to be sold but by no means the last, you can take that to the bank, but not AKFINANS IF YOU HAVE ANY SENSE.



They are doing a very good job of hiding all the cracks and faults, that is what we could see of it yesterday

before the beefy Turk got really nasty. What a terrible experience, being thrown out of your own garden.

That man looked as if he could do some serious harm to us, and I believe would have if it had not been daylight and people watching.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 20:17

I have just had an e mail from a friend in U.K. who says there is an episode of Homes from Hell tonight on ITV

THE SUBJECT COUNTRY - NORTHERN CYPRUS - that is all I was told, do not know, who, where or if it is a repeat. Those of you who can get ITV might like to let those of us who cannot, where and who??



Sounds like Laura Stephens might have found someone, she tried hard enough, us included. We were not

ready for that. Who knows, if we get pushed hard enough, desperate times, desperate measures.

billyboy1


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 20:31

Homes from Hell



tonight



10.35pm



Itv1

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 20:41

Thanks for the details and confirming it billyboy

gavangie


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 22:15

Just checked paper for tv listings - no mention of this programme tonight.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
14/03/2011 23:16

It's in my TV listings but yet another repeat and I quote "A couple dscover their 750,000.00 I presume euro property had a minor design fault that had such disastrous consequences that it had to be rebuilt"

philbailey


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Message Posted:
15/03/2011 02:01

It was a repeat I think

Jwheeler&Sons


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Message Posted:
15/03/2011 02:19

Pauline is this the Akan kursat from akfinans that has a model agency in Moldova ?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
15/03/2011 06:21

Julie, more details please and then I will find out. I have my sleuthing head on, ready and waiting.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
15/03/2011 06:57

To answer pipie.

It seems that my case is different to my neighbour's in that although the breaking and entering into my property was illegal, it would be a waste of time pursuing it because of the Court Memorandums, in effect I have security elsewhere. A bit like when my Appeal was thrown OUT against the Banks repossession order, the Judge said 'I did not need two remedies for the same problem' NOw that might be well and good if there were a guarantee I would get the award but there is not. So basically my position is, I have no villa and I have no award yet, and with the TRNC's record on paying out court awards, I end up with nothing but huge legal bills.

You really couldn't make it up.

Or to put it another way AKFINANS CAN DO WHAT THE HELL THEY LIKE.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
15/03/2011 17:33

I will be talking live on http://www.londonturkishradio.org tonight on drivetime with Fevzi and Canan, There will be an update on the property situation for the benefit of the British Turkish Cypriot listeners.



If you would like to take part e mail drivetimeltr@gmail.com or tel 0044 208 881 2020 or

0044 780 693 2966 - Fevzi and Canan will be pleased to hear from you.

You can tune in on the internet http://www.londonturkishradio.org.



Today the Bank allegedly said that the owner they 'popped ' a window open on's property had signed her rights over to them. Now if this were so, a. why would they need to break in? b. Why is she a joint litigant in all the court cases including the ECHR CASE, and why has she paid all her fees to date?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
15/03/2011 17:37

Msg 55 you did not say what time

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
15/03/2011 18:27

sorry philbailey 6.00 to 8.00 p.m. UK time

8.00 to 10.00 p.m. North Cyprus Time.



It is in English

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
15/03/2011 21:16

It is over, I hope some of you also emailed or phoned in. Fevzi is such a good friend to all of us with property problems and gives us a platform whenever he can. Pauline probably came over as a little emotional, but with the sort of things that have been going in the last few days, that is not to be wondered at. The majority of the Turkish Cypriots I meet on a day to day basis are great, it is just a handful, but unfortunately a very powerful hand full who are bringing this country into disrepute.



Where there is no honour there is no shame.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
16/03/2011 10:29

Latest article from Pauline Read now on North Cyprus Free Press. Covers a few subjects but does cover the latest situation for the beleagured at Kulaksiz 5 so not off thread.



Can someone supply a link. You know what a dummy I am at these things.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
16/03/2011 10:50

pollymarples .



Last update I can see on North Cyprus free press is Sunday 13th March !!



Has another update been put on ?



Re messege 58 can I presume you stating ''it is all over '' you are reffering to the interview ?



Unfortunatly I did not see the interview ! did any one record the interview ? if so could they post it on this thread ?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
16/03/2011 11:08

Yes pipie I was referring to the Radio interview. There is a new post on NCFP this morning and I hope someone will kindly put the link on here PLEASE.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
16/03/2011 11:20

Msg 58: "Where there is no honour there is no shame."

Because of the very nature of the TRNC of course there is no honour and also no pride. It's a creation of Turkey that serves no purpose and the people have no control over. That's why they throw their garbage everywhere.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
16/03/2011 11:33

Msg 40: "Eventually, and with luck the ECHR WILL RULE IN FAVOUR OF THE KULASKIZ 5 and there wil be monetary compensation, It is her opinion that the ECHR will order punitive measures against the Bank."

I fear your hope is misplaced. Turkey has been found guilty by the ECHR of far more serious crimes in Cyprus, viz murder, rape of women and children, torture, execution of civilians and has done NOTHING about it. Foreigners evicted from Greek Cypriot property are likely to get nothing, and sadly this will apply to hundreds if not thousands of expats in your position.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
16/03/2011 11:58

You are entiltled to yur opinion Zoots, I am not saying you are rwrong or right. I know that as long as this negative publicity continues, the so called property market and the tourist industry will stay in the gutter.



The coverage in Cyprus Today, although as usual not totally accurate is by and large good. Really good

to see the guy climbing in through the window. It is alleged that it is Ertul Kader the Manager of the Girne Branch of Akfinans who gave the loan to his best friend Yuksel YIlmaz, if it is, bear this in mind when you next visit your Bank and ask yourself, 'is this the sort of action I expect from a Bank official?'

The editors opnion says it all.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
16/03/2011 19:56

msg 6 4 is there a link to the article ?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/03/2011 06:27

philbailey - for those of you who are not in Cyprus and therefore not able to read Cyprus Today it is on NCFP

unfortunately the editor is not on the isalnd at the moment and has to rely on the scan I sent him, obviously the picture of the man going through the window did not come out well (crap scanner - come back Laura laptop!!)





However the one I sent to ABAG has been reproduced so go to http://www.ABAG's Blog to see the story and the

photo of the Bank official breaking in through the window, the man is alleged to be Ertul Kader, Girne Branch Manager, part of the Kader family owners of the bank and the giver of the mortgage!!

You've been framed 'window framed'. Would you want your Bank to behave this way??

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
17/03/2011 06:52

re 66



Have to agree with Zoots.. how the ECHR is going rule favourably on the 'property right's ' of a place that may well be still legally owned by a third party - in a region of a country where they have ruled that the govt doesn't effect control and the de-facto administration is Turkey will be 'interesting' ..



The link didn't work ...try this one



http://tinyurl.com/6a2fmg5

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/03/2011 07:00

Thanks mmmm. Since it wil be years before a decision is arrived at by the ECHR, the backlog of cases is

enormous, and as I understand it Turkey is the defendent, a lot could have changed here. In any event the alternative of doing NOTHING is not an option.



Pauline has been told that the legal information she was given, i.e. that the Court Memorandums on the assets of Kulaksiz expire after four years IS INCORRECT. They can be renewed indefintely apparently.

So she may have to wait a long, long long time, but there is a slight if very dim light at the end of her

tunnel.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
17/03/2011 18:37

msg 68 send the pic to ITV you may get money

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/03/2011 20:43

The latest situation: Akfinans broke into the McCluskey Villa yet again. A group of Akfinans Bank people

accompanied by six policemen came into Democracy Sokak, There was a confrontation but the locks remain

those of Akfinans Bank and there are workman in the house getting it ready for sale. Apparently they have sprayed something in red on the oustide of the house which the neighbours think might be KEEP OUT.

Neighbours attended the police station made complaint and ghave statements to the effect that the McCluskeys

had stayed in the villa and had taken delivery of it. I know they stayed in it overnight because I saw them there.



That the police can make decisions as to who is right and who is wrong is a JOKE, the courts should be the ones making the decisions and the only way to get possession is through a court order. Seems that if you have enough money, the law is ALWAYS on your side.



All this took place Wednesday afternoon. Seems the picture of Kader breaking in

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/03/2011 20:51

and climbing through the window upset him. He threatened criminal action for taking his picture without his consent. I would like to take criminal action for the break in to my villa, attempting to run Agile Chris over and the break in of the McCluskey villa, but I guess taking a photo is a serious crime!!! Can I afford to grease enough palms.



YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP!!!!



The minder at my villa sat on a plastic chair guarding t all day yesterday so if you are thinking of s

squatting, best go at night. According to my neighbour, no one has moved in yet.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 06:59

I wonder what Akfinans have in store for the terrified residents of Kulaksiz 5 today. Just when they thought it couldn't get any worse, it did.



If they get away with these guerilla style tactics, which development will be next? Where there is a mortgage there is a Bank waiting to see how this situation pans out, if Akfinans succeed the others will follow - YOU

could be next.

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
18/03/2011 10:03

pollymarples.



This gets worse by the day.

I still cannot get my head around the fact that if you have a situation where you are in possesion of a kochan or you have a sales agreement and you are obstructed in any way you present this to the police and this then allows the TRNC police to protect you and ensures you enter your property.



I have it on good authority that the person that is in possesion of the Kochan or sales agreement must follow steps by insisting that a written statement of complaint is given to the police, it does not matter if it it is English. as long as you insist this complaint is acknowledged by the police.







Now I know what you have said in a previous post,

but can I ask did you do this at any time ?

was it recorded by the police ?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 10:18

Yes the police have always been called but it took intervention by Founder President Mr. Rauf Denktas before they would take the witness statement in the attempted hit and run and then when the investigation was completed, they allegedly reported back to Akan Kursat one of the alleged perpetrators and not the complainant. I read of the outcome in an article inYeni Duzen written by Akan Kursat who said the police found it didn't happen and he was in another location and had witnesses. It just beggars belief, in a normal society when there is ongoing litigation all action stops until the outcome of the case is known - as is happening with K5 V Akfinans at the present time.



In the same article Akan Kursat said he did not believe we had submitted a case to the ECHR, WELL HE GOT THAT WRONG TOO - we now have a case number.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 10:24

Sorry Polly marples.



The point I am trying to confirm is this .



so can we safely say that the police are in possession of a signed statement from you to say that you have been obstructed from accessing your property ?



this is important

hollylou


Joined: 05/01/2011
Posts: 163

Message Posted:
18/03/2011 10:33

why are no english papers putting this ford back home ? surely this would deter any one coming for holidays or buying it needs to go mega public its getting beyond a joke

rigsby


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Posts: 912

Message Posted:
18/03/2011 10:46

Some of us have tried to get uk papers interested,without success.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 11:04

pipie yes and more, I asked for crimnal proceedings to be taken against Akfinans



I have tried and tried. I have sent ths weekends pictures and write up from C.T. to Sunday Mail and Daily Mail



I have contacted, The Sun, Express, News of the World, Guardian, Independent - all to no avail. I think all the other world news items are taking precedence. I have even tried English language Turkish papers in Turkey

Pipie


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 11:23

It is the police intervention that clearly was not acted upon on your part so assuming you have the case number for obstructing your access, this should clearly go in your favour.



As I have said I have it on good authority that the law takes obstructing of ones property a serious matter so this should surley go in your favour when your case is heard.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 12:33

pipie you sound like a nice person, but I have absolutely no faith in the Police.



Read NCFP article, he has a little dig at Pauline but her shoulders are broad. He is on the nail with everything

else though.

gardengnome


Joined: 11/03/2011
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
18/03/2011 12:39

hold your breath waiting for police action at your peril.

parkes82uk


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Posts: 75

Message Posted:
18/03/2011 13:04

Hi have you tried UK TV, someone might be interested in making a programme.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
18/03/2011 14:09

I have just this morning given an interview with the BBC I will let you know when it's to be broadcast!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 14:24

TRNC victim that is great. Obviously about Amaranta Valley, I bet you had some really nice things to say about Gary Robb and his mobb. Was that TV or radio??

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 14:39

Hi Pauline,



It was for television, it seemed to go well

wanderer


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 14:55

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/18/akfinans-bank-in-north-cyprus-launches-an-allegedly-illegal-armed-police-raid-on-kulaksiz-5-ex-pat-pensioners/

An objective and worrying article for all

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 15:11

Well done trnc victim, now K5 could do with some outside media attention. They were promised a spot on GAK T.V but it has never materialised, could the fact that the TV STATION is owned by the Finance Minsister

Ersin Tatar be the reason??? No surely not.

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
18/03/2011 18:38

hollylou said: "why are no english papers putting this ford back home ?"

It could be because the simplest research would reveal the main victims of human rights violations are the real legal owners of these properties who were ethnically cleansed in 1974.

Don't you see the problem any responsible news organisation would have with this? The whole place is dodgy and this kind of thing is only to be expected where law and justice are below Third World standards.

Having invested in north Cyprus I like to see it as it is!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 19:44

Zoots, your argument works both ways and ethnic cleansing or ENOSIS WAS GOING ON since the 50's but it was against the Turksh Cyps, their lives being made so unabearable they migrated to other countries in order to survive. That however is not the point. You cannot say it is okay to violate the Human Rights of the people of Kulaksiz 5 now because the Human Rights of others were violated 37 years ago, it is a very spurious argument. It is what is happening here and now. The reason we are not getting coverage is more to do with

bigger events happening in the world, Japan, Libya, and such.



The Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 17 (2) No one shall be arbitarily deprived of his property.

I wonder if this could also apply to Laura Laptop. or maybe that comes under Article 12 No one shall be subjected to arbitaryu interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and retuatation. Everyone has the right to the protection of

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/03/2011 19:50

cont. the law against such interference or attacks.



that should read reputation (not retuatation) I think i invented a new word..................

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
18/03/2011 22:42

pollymarples (mess 87)



ERSIN TATAR That is a name I shall remember "The Finance Minister" This man promised Lord Maginnis of drumglass he would help us (may the lord help us all)!!!!



Don't worry about inventing new words, over the last few years I have invented many but not for publication

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/03/2011 07:24

Yes the same Ersin Tatar who allegedly worked for another famous TC at Polly Peck in the U.K. It is all so incestuous.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/03/2011 10:26

New article on NCFP by Pauline Read but cannot gve yu a link yet. On the same subject

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/03/2011 12:14

For goodness sake when ar Cyprus Today going to understand that as the buyer and the seller of Kulaksiz 5

thatt Akfinans Bank LImited did not part with any new money and the cost to them was the original loan

of 104,000 lire, which by any stretch of the imagination should never have been advanced in the first place.



Cyprus Today - it is not rocket science. By charging 80% per quarter compound interest, receiving payment

was an unrealistic (and that was the reduced rate!!) expectation and I beleive this was a scam from day one.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/03/2011 13:09

What is happening here. I read of another police led evicton. No court order, therefore it is totlally illegal.

If you cannot trust the Police to have the gumption to know 'you do not evict people at the request of your pals. then this island is on a hiding to nothing and by the lack or reaction from the Governement, they seem not to care. Is this country going to hell in a handcart??



So those of you who have been witholding your final payment because your house is not finished, or the quality is so bad or whatever reason had better hope your landown/builder/ seller doesn't have best friends in the Police who will do his/her bidding for them. Seems having watched Akfinans get away with it, the rest of the dishonest scrotes are jumping on the bandwagon. Why not, no-one will stop them.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
19/03/2011 14:34

Polly, that's exactly how it happens there. Some evil devil hits on another way to scam, then all the others jump on the bandwagon!

I believe it was Sercem all those years ago who started blackmailing their buyers on Selin Villas into paying the vendor's tax. Many others then followed suit.

So it will be with the Akfinans type scam.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
19/03/2011 15:51

Polly, as far as legal goes i am not a lawyer and i don't know who your lawyer/s are in the TRNC so i can't comment on what they have to say. There is only one lawyer i trust here and the law of averages says your not using him?

From what i know if the kochan is not in your name, technically your not the owner and can be thrown out. How that is done i don't have a clue?

As for legal your villa isn't legal anyway cos its on exchange land, tell the real owner its legal!

It's not that i am not sympathetic to your cause but sometimes i seriously don't believe you are helping yourself. Your computer situ is a small thing, don't get yourself in any deeper!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/03/2011 16:40

blade, I am not stupid, I realise that Akfinans will get all the villas at K5, that is not the issue, that it is a total fraud will not stop that happening. What I am saying is that to get them, even Akfinans should go through the

courts and obtain a Cour Order. That they will get that Order is a given. To turn up at K5 with their 'friendly' police in tow and thus bypassing due process of the law, just shows how far this Mafia type bank is prepared to go, knowing as they do, that the Government will not prevent them.



If K5 ever get justice, it will never be through the TRNC Courts. I am just prayingn that by the time the ECHR

hear K'5's case, the political scenario will be totally different her and any order by the ECHR will be complied

with If that means bankrupting Akfinans Bank Limited, so be it.



I dont think you realise blade, for the majoirty of the owners at K5, their villas are all they have. I dont agree

that taking my laptop is a small thing, I dont

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/03/2011 16:45

cont. agree that taking my villa in the cowardly and intimidating way that they did is a small thing.

What is a small thing, is the short time we are on this earth, HOw much deeper 'in' could I be??

They are just jumped up cowards, but believe one day they will pay for what they have done, not in our

courts, we all have face the final judgement, there are no exceptions.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
19/03/2011 21:10

blade (mess 97)



You are lucky that you at least trust one lawyer in the TRNC! I and many others trust no-one!



To be sympathetic or have any kind of empathy to the many victims you have to understand where they are coming from?



You obviously don't!!!!



I hope you are never in the hundreds of victims position (not just Pauline) and believe me there will be hundreds more!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
20/03/2011 08:21

1400 in the mortgage queue and now it seems builders who have not finished properties so have not been paid their final payment are not perpared to wait and are taking the LAW INTO THEIR OWN hands and with the help of their mates, who happen to work as police officers (pardon me while I stop for a laugh, truly a dsigrace to the uniform they wear) go and forcibly evict people. Those people will have to go to court to

TRY TO RETRIEVE their homes. Ask Mr. and Mrs Tapp, hwo they feel about this sort of treatment



Now ask yourself, am I witholding a final payment, will my builder throw me out, no not every builder is dishonest, except maybe, why do you need to withold the payment and if he were entirely honest, would you have a need to withold that payment - food for thought.



Do you still think you could not be a victim?

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
20/03/2011 08:34

blade.



Your comment' 'dont get yourself in any deeper'' are you advising that pollymarples and folk that are facing this kind of injustice and should just lie down very quietly and take all of this. ?



I sincerley hope they do not !! this gutsy person needs all the support that can be given in my opinion.

The North is facing a building/property crisis and it is not all down to the economic climate.

Cases such as these (and there are a few more to my knowledge )should be highlighted at every opportunity in the hope that justice will be shown in favour of such cases



That way a little more faith will be shown in the buying of property over in the TRNC unless TRNC is happy to stay in a lull !!



Pollymarples.

I congratulate you it must be a utter nightmare I just hope you keep updating us all at every available chance you are a true insperation, I should hope some of the other poor souls who are facing the same dilema follow your steps, stand up and be counted !!

hollylou


Joined: 05/01/2011
Posts: 163

Message Posted:
20/03/2011 08:42

yes you are one of a kind and should be a inspiration to those others waiting to have theres taken from them too WELL DONE

Harvey


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Posts: 40

Message Posted:
20/03/2011 10:22

The builder who had Mr and Mrs Tapp evicted with all their furniture turfed out on the road was the other airline owner Mr Alpan Uz from Mayfair Park, Tatlisu and Ozankoy.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
20/03/2011 10:28

No wonder they he thinks he can get away with it. Gives you lots of confidence in his business practices.

Fly me I'll shaft.

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
20/03/2011 10:54

Harvey.



Please could you explain the history of your post 104 ''sounds interesting ''

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
20/03/2011 10:58

I want to know too Harvey - please?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
20/03/2011 11:52

so does NCFP

Harvey


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Posts: 40

Message Posted:
20/03/2011 11:58

Just search for Alpan Uz or any of his non completed sites on this website. There have also been articles about him in Cyprus Today and in the Turkish press about his owning the name in the UK of the new airline. Salih Uz is his father, Nese Pektas his mother and Tugce Uz his sister.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
20/03/2011 12:50

I must share this with you, I just read that Tugce Uz is best friends with someone in Government, aren't they

always, isn't that why her brother Alpan Uz can brazenly call upon his 'best friends" at the police station in Tatlisu to accompany him (without any legal papers) to help him criminally throw Mr. and Mrs Tapp out of their own home. Incest rules okay.



Wasn't the landowner Yuksel Yilmaz at K5 the best friend ot Ertul Kader, part of the family Kader who own

Akfinans Bank Limited, the self same one who gave his 'best friend" the mortage. Where there is a scam, there is always as 'best friend' scenario.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
20/03/2011 22:24

Heads in the sand, incestuous relationships! pollymarples it continues to go on!



Will anyone fly with Mr Uz??? and so allow future victims to think this man is clean?



Mr & Mrs Tapp you are yet more TRNC victims, we seem to get larger by the day!



Pauline do you or anyone know where Bradus is? I have missed her on this forum!

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
20/03/2011 23:07

What has happened to Mr/Mrs Tapp have they left ?

Pipie


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Message Posted:
20/03/2011 23:15

Still would like the history on Mr Mrs Tapp Please ?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
20/03/2011 23:47

Pipie/philbailey



http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/2011/11-03-16.tcpr.html



If you read article 10 that should give you some history

birdman



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Posts: 690

Message Posted:
20/03/2011 23:52

Akfinans Bank !

Where do you think this government is borrowing the money from to pay it's civil servants each month ? It's certainly not Turkey ! Do you expect this goverment to "bite-the-hand" that is feeding it? If they were to back K5 the banks would cut off their wages and then what a mess would it be in. !!!!!! Where are the police wages funded from? And you expect justice from them ? While the finances of the TRNC Government are subsidised by the banks, the government is beholding to them - AND THE BANKS KNOW IT!

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
21/03/2011 00:04

Msg 114 thank you



Shamefull

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 00:05

Pollymarples



According to birdman you and all at K5, me and all at Amaranta have been paying the civil servants and the police! you through Akfinans and us through HSBC?



The Government is beholding to them!!



So stuff us

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 06:36

sorry to have left you hanging last night - I just had to get some sleep, with the aid of sedatives, something I never ever needed before in my life.



Everything you are saying is true, the government cannot do anything against the Banks, incestuous yes,

boirrowing money - probably but when the Ertul Kader Manager and owner of Akfinans boasts to a former c

customer (note former) that he can guarantee the UBP PARTY 900 votes through his family, employees and minions, and we all know which party is in power, what more can I say? Lest just hope that the Judge who is to hear the case of Mr.& Mrs Tapp is not swayed by any of this.



One thing you can be sure of, Pauline will keep telling it like it is, pollymarples will continue to sleuth and report

everything she finds and Laura laptop will spend the rest of her life in prison.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 06:40

You all know why they wont go against each other:



For when your friend becomes your FOE



All the World, yur secrets wil know.



Too much swept under that Turkish carpet...................................

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/03/2011 08:12

An interesting article from Peter Wright on NCFP which sort of condenses the article in a way someone as close as Pauline doesn't seem to be able to. Go to NCFP TO SEE IT or perhaps someone can put a link on here.

cooper


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Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
21/03/2011 08:19

This is the article referred to above - http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/21/trnc-government-are-two-faced-about-human-rights-violations/

hooter


Joined: 21/03/2011
Posts: 20

Message Posted:
21/03/2011 08:59

As June approaches ( the bank must dispose of the property by then ) intimidation will increase police help for the residents of k5 will decrease, police action against k5 will increase with probable arrests for supposed breaches of the law ( taking photos without consent).The heath and well being of surviving residents of k5 will be adversely affected .the press and public will be told the bank have broken no laws.



IT’s all the k5 residents fault they could have sorted this out 5 years ago& THEY BOUGHT CHEAP .



THUGGERY AND INTIMIDATION BACKED BY CORRUPTION SHALL WIN THE DAY



Not my words but very true i fear

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
21/03/2011 09:09

it's even worse for people like Conor O'Dwyer in the south - THEY BOUGHT EXPENSIVE!

Pipie


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 09:50

Thanks messege 114.

birdman



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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 11:20

Is it not possible for Cyprus Toaday or some other organisation with contacts to let us know "HOW MUCH IS THE TRNC GOVERMENT IN HOCK TO THE BANKS "? WHICH BANKS ARE INVOLVED ? IS IT LEGAL FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO BORROW MONEY FROM COMMERCIAL BANKS ? WHAT INTERREST RATES ARE THEY RE-PAYING ? WHAT ARE THE TERMS OF THE LOANS THEY ARE TAKING OUT MONTHLY ?

How can the government act AGAINST a bank it is HOCK to? Will the loans be recalled if the goverment goes against a bank! (Obviously further loans would not be granted!) Are the AKFINANS bank charging the government 80% interrest on its loans as they did in the K5 case? What friends do the banks have in government ?

Investigative journalism is required and the results MUST be published as this whole episode stinks of Corruption.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 15:25

hOOTER - I note you come up as new member - Interesting that you are spouting AKAN Kursats propoganda,

K5 SHOULD HAVE SETTLED 5 years ago - how - I only signed my Contract on the 14th September 2005 and moved in, in May 2006 Now read carefully, none of us knew there was a mortgage on the property until we resgistered our Contracts, in my case that was March 2008, some even later than that date because they were in the u.k. Read NCFP AND YOU WILL SEE AN ACCOUNT of my meeting with the Bank in JUly 2008. I started legal proceedings as soon as the court reopened after the summer recess in 2008 and the rest of k5 IN LATE 2008. So contrary to your claims, we should have settled 5 years ago, how could we if we didn't know of its existent and more to the point why should we , when we did not borrow one penny from Akfinans.

But why am I telling you what you already know, even spouting the 'buying too cheap tosh you have spewed

before and they are your words. Like everyone reading

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 15:35

this WE DID NOT BUY TOO CHEAP. We paid the asking price for a very shoddy build, with no infrastructure

no amenities and as the Agents say location, location location, the price is dictated by the area, and in this instance by the country and its isolation.



As it happens if Akfinans has it's way we will have paid a lot of money for sweet f.a.



NOt very subtle your warning us of what is to come, since we already have the measure of the animals that

somehow manage to walk on two legs.



Since when did Akfinans care about the law and the need to sell by June 2011, what a load of twaddle

to use that as an excuse. Who will take action against them if they do NOT sell by June 2011, certainly not the current Government AND WE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP they have with the police.

hooter


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 15:50

not at all polly I really feel for you and support you but i fear that is the line the trnc government and their co horts will take.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 16:00

Perhaps then hooter you would like to acknowledge we couldn't have done anything abou a mortgage we dod not know existed 5 years ago, in fact if you do your maths, you will see, that had I managed it, I would have been in my house in May 2011 for just 5 years, it was not to be.



I too fear the line the trnc government and its cohort will take, but I will not be silent about it, nor will I adopt the defeatist line some are taking, too easy to lie down and play dead, although I have it on good authority

that is exactly what Mr. Kursat and his clients would really like



They will most certainly rot in hell.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 16:49

birdman, Of course it is corrupt, from the day Abbdurrahman Guney (builder)Yuksel Yilmaz (landowner)

and Ertul Kader ((w)banker) sat down together and decided what a good idea it would be to appear to borrow 104,000 Lire, for Yuksel YIlmaz to sign over land he no longer owned as security and then between them think up a number and make that the interest rate. It really didn't matter what it was, it could have been 1000%, there was never any intention of repaying it and always the intention of snatching back the homes that had been sold to their'marks' the Kulaksiz 5



Why do you think the two houses occupied by Yuksel Yilmaz's family are not at risk, the families are spending

money on the houses. There is a third car in one of the driveways.. Can you imagine how galling it is when they are directly opposite the beleagured pensioners who are being harrassed daily and they can see the family of the author of the troubles with not a care in the world. We all share the same Kocans.

hooter


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 17:02

INDEED polly i agree 100 % with you

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
21/03/2011 22:22

Pauline,



They will rot in hell!!



I can't even begin to understand how K5 victims feel! or maybe I can, at least I don't have to look at Amaranta on a daily basis, thank god, although there are some unsavory characters who like to spit in our face! onward and upward Pauline! and Mr & Mrs Tapp wherever you are, may I wish you both well!



As for Alpen Uz and family, along with Mr Guney & Mr Yilmaz, Mr Kader the w(banker), Gary Robb, Tahir Soycan, Kutsal Tokatioglu, Cafer Gurcafer, and the Lawyers or should I say Voyeurs, Akan Kursat, Talat Kursat, Mert Guglu. Akan Gurkan, Munir Akil etc., the estate agent Mark & Hayran Unwin...................



I would not dare to say what I wish each and everyone of you

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
22/03/2011 07:28

LATEST NEWS



Writs were served on residents of Kulaksiz 5 in the last few days. These writs are the start of the eviction

process. The self same writs should have been served on me and Eva McCluskey. What will Akfinans and their henchmen do about the owners who live in England, there are three of them, we all know don't we.

More illegal break ins?????

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
22/03/2011 07:45

Mert Guglu was our Advocate for a very short time.

hooter


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Message Posted:
22/03/2011 07:48

DISGUSTING shame on the trnc and its goverment

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
22/03/2011 07:57

hooter Where there is no Honour there can be no Shame.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
22/03/2011 17:11

Today ther was a hearing at the High Court in Lefkosa to try to obtain an Interim Injunction on the whold of Kulaksiz 5 properties to try to put a halt to the illegal repossessions.



3 Judges heard both sides and a decision will be given in the next couple of weeks.

hollylou


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Posts: 163

Message Posted:
22/03/2011 17:25

lets hope its good out come we can but hope good luck

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
22/03/2011 18:42

Read the blog about the court appearance today



http//www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/22/kulaksiz-5-emergency-lefkosa-high-court-hearing-on-2232011/



The Government do not know what to do, the pressure from the Banks is great. We can only hope the courts have more courrage.



The general consensus is that the Gov. will throw all victims of the mortgage scam to the wolves.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
22/03/2011 19:09

To read Msg 139, copy up to the end of .com and then paste onto google.



Richard

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
22/03/2011 20:49

Pauline, you and all victims at K5 must be exhausted! Lets pray the 3 judges (hope they are not the 3 wise men of old) understand morality, honesty, and justice!!!!!!



As for the Government.................

BillyB


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Posts: 436

Message Posted:
22/03/2011 22:15

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
22/03/2011 22:27

Have just spoken of our Court Case and the 2nd Break in to the Mccluskey villa on londonturkish radio again.



Another caller to the programme was Ipek Ozerim columnist for Cyprus Today and PR Consultant who lives in London. Ipek expressed her disgust with the way ex pats are being conned here in the TRNC, she expressed her opinion of the corruption in Government, Police, and the legal system as a whole. As a founder and member of Embargoed, she says she finds it hard to promote and support such a corrupt regime, that from a loyal Turkish Cypriot who loves her country. She sounded frustrated and very very angry. Ipek has been a staunch supporter of K5 AND ALL PROPERTY VICTIMS.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/03/2011 22:27

I read this thread each day although I just feel that I am of no use what-so-ever in posting anything,WORDS JUST FAIL ME..Our thoughts and prays are with you all in all this nightmare your going through. Stay strong, keep fighting and remember most of the Brits here are trying hard to give you support and also live disbelieving the actions of these banks and government.



Dont let the bastards grind you down..I know for some they have already..so very very sad.



I do hope soon that I am able to meet Pauline one day....great respect for you all.



Spider,X

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
22/03/2011 22:28

BillyB (mess 142)



Are there any "good men" in the TRNC? after 7 years i have found few :-(

BillyB


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Posts: 436

Message Posted:
22/03/2011 22:47

TRNCvictim, Im here!

The TRNC has got so much potential, sea, mountains, lovely people (most of them) and yet there is a small minority that wish to rape the place for there own greedy gains and yet nobody in power does anything. There seems to be more and more Turkish Cypriots calling there own country a banana republic now.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
22/03/2011 23:17

BillyB unfortunately all the money in the world would not be enough for some, and with all that money comes

power, they will not do anything to help K5, they cannot, the banks rule the politicians. The Banks have made it clear that Akfinans losing is not an option.



The British Turkish Cypriots are ashmed of what is happening to property victims here and tonight Ipek gave a good example of what happened to a British TC who bought here, not pleasant.

sloopy


Joined: 22/03/2011
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
23/03/2011 00:15

Hi pauline



Have sent a long message to our foreign office how british citizens are being forced from their homes and what are they going to do about this! dont hold your breath unless you find oil in your back garden!

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
23/03/2011 00:51

So when is British TV coming over to make another Homes from Hell?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
23/03/2011 05:46

Stop guessing Marion, but if that does become the only rute, they will have brought it on themselves.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
23/03/2011 06:35

See article by Pauline NCFP covering last nights Radio programme

malsancak


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Message Posted:
23/03/2011 07:35

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/22/london-turkish-radio-show-fevzi-and-canan-drivetime/

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
23/03/2011 07:52

Thanks Malcolm, the response to the programme according to Fevzi has been enormous.



We sought to keep our problems inhouse, not to embarrass the TRNC| THE COUNTRY we love and would not harm. We gave the Government and the Legal system every opportuniity to solve our problems and protect us. We have been let down badly and are now suffering physical and psychological abuse from the Bank.



We would have preferred to keep all publicity inside these shores. Whatever happens now, be it on the head of the Government, Central Bank amd Akfinans Bank LImited.



Pauline Read Kulaksiz 5

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
23/03/2011 11:03

On front page of CT and page 5. Slightly wrong info, the adjournment was to consider whether they will give us an intermediate injunction or not.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
23/03/2011 18:51

TRNC ViCTIM'S Interview on BBC T.V. East Anglia - Inside Out starts at 9.00 p.m. will be screened TONIGHT

WEDNESDAY 23RD mARCH 2011

I just know Gary Robb's ears will be burning. I wonder if she will mention his fellow shareholder in Aga Developments Mr. Akan Kursat (he of Akfinans Advocat fame) or Mert Gucglu Secretary and a Director of the same infamous company.



I am told you can get it on the internet, so that would be 11.00 p.m. our time.



slowly, oh so painfully slowly, victims are getting some media cover.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
23/03/2011 18:56

CORRECTION COREECTION CORRECTION





IT SHOULD BE BBC North, North East and Cumbria not as stated above......apologies..........



NOT TO BE MISSED.................



9.00 p.m. tonight Inside Out

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
24/03/2011 07:25

Did anyone see the interview? I couldnt get it on my laptop.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
24/03/2011 12:31

Read the latest article on North Cyprus Free Press by Dominic Freeman and see just how the current Government is ignoring the Constitution in allowing the maverick actions of the Bank and the police.



I wonder if there is a procedure here for impeachment?

SuziSuz


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Posts: 135

Message Posted:
24/03/2011 12:43

The BBC are sending us a DVD of the interviews which inturn we will post to the blog

malsancak


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Message Posted:
24/03/2011 13:04

polly, the article is at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/24/ex-pat-property-purchasers-suffer-as-trnc-constitution-ignored-by-government/

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
24/03/2011 14:28

In the early 2000's following some banks floundering her in the TRNC, a new law was put on the statute books

to help the banking industry. Basically it was to stop false reports and false potentially damaging reports bein made. It was thought that this would safeguard the industry and maintain confidence. That law 39/2001

Article 53 is now being used by the Bank who are in dispute with Kulaksiz 5 to silence all criticism of the Bank.



I have no doubt that when asked to the TRNC will prosecute any breach, or perceived breach of this law to the full extent of the law. That is just how it goes here.



There is a statement in Kibris Gazetesi to this effect today, given by the Bank.



May God have mercy on Kulaksiz 5

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
24/03/2011 14:39

I assume the upright men who drafted this law had no idea how it would be used to aid extortion. It is time for those upright men to show their anger and put things right. - of course I meant alleged extortion.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
24/03/2011 14:43

Information about Akfinans Bank's decision to sue the K5 purchasers can be found at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/24/akfinans-bank-to-sue-kulaksiz-5-pensioners-they-are-evicting-from-their-homes/

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
24/03/2011 16:33

You could allege that the very Bank that is quoting this law as a weapon to silence us have by their actions brought the Banking Industry into disrepute and should be prosecuted under this very law themselves. If anyone has undermined the confidence in the system it could allegedly be them.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
24/03/2011 21:39

You certainly could Pollymarples! Akifinans Bank have definitely undermined any confidence in the TRNC! their greed and utter stupidity must reflect the greed and stupidity of the Government who now must be involved in their scam!!!! They have done nothing to stop this Banks immoral behaviour! and now they want to silence you! how many victims can the TRNC silence?????????????????????

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
25/03/2011 10:10

It appears that the bank are getting nervous of the strong fight they now know thay are up against !!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
25/03/2011 11:38

More tactics designed to keep us queit. Problem is when they take our homes they will be followed by another Bank and then another and then another and then another,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Pipie


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Message Posted:
25/03/2011 12:54

pollymarples.



I presume the fight is still on to contest the banks actions ? if it is then I assume that the courts have not yet decided in the banks favour so i would never STATE ''when they take our homes '' may i suggest you STATE

'' IF the bank are allowed to take our homes'' A good learning curve is NEVER say NEVER !!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
25/03/2011 16:07

Good point Pipie, for the others, too late for me they have mine and have a heavy guarding it.

wanderer


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Message Posted:
25/03/2011 16:31

I worked in finance for nearly 40 years and if lending to people who were in weak industry classifications such as construction you always did a full investigation on contracts payments due and completions and projected cash flows

You always looked to strengthen deals with extra security such as guarantees and charges over unencumbered assets .

I feel that as a Bank you would have done a deal of strengthening by lending against land with planning permission and houses on it giving you good debt cover

Of course you would check all sales and contracts to guarantee payments are able to be made on time and As a prudent lender check that no contracts or charges applied to the subject of your loan

As a prudent lender not advance any further funds until payments are up to date on existing accounts

My experience was only in England and Wales and never in Scotland as different legislation applied ) ) )

Pipie


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Message Posted:
25/03/2011 17:44

wanderer.



Why should any business set the above in place when clearly hoping any outcome of any default such as this case, the business in question which is the bank HOPE THINK and are clearly BANKING (pardon the pun ) on any possible future default would be in there favour.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
25/03/2011 17:59

wanderer You have it absolutely right and therefore had they checked our Contracts they would have seen the clause that there were no mortgages on the land and the guarantee that they would keep it mortgage free until transfer of title took place. That the Borrower was trying to use as security land he had sigend such Contracts on, would already tell the Bank they were dealing with shisters. Add to that the the fact that in March 2005 the builder/landowner had borrowed money and never made a payment, the Bank then made

a further advance in November 2005 - no reputable lender would risk more of the Bank's money on an already proven bad risk.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
26/03/2011 07:15

Pauline is now the owner of an English Version of the Constitution of the TRNC. It is 15 foolscap pages, printed on both sides so impossible to reproduce on NCFP in its entirety. However, this together with her copy of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights proves conclusively that which we already know. Many of the actions taken against Paulne and the members of Kulaksiz 5 and indeed all property scam victims are contrary to the Constitution of the TRNC and violates may of their Human Rights and it is happening here and now in the TRNC in the 21st century.

wanderer


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Message Posted:
26/03/2011 08:48

In the UK when assessing the creditworthiness of an individual partnership sole trader or limited company

You do a balance sheet runner .This is a bank for that takes all the key elements from the accounts of the borrower so you can work out whether the ratios are correct for lending this is done either by an analyst or the manger themselves .

In the UK you list freehold property in England in Scotland its termed "heritable "property instead .

I wonder if these forms are used in banking in the TRNC or Turkey as they are part of international banking rules if they do what do they call Freehold or Heritable property

Of course property that is subject to contract and where payment has been received are not assets of the borrowers business and so would not appear as assets of the borrowers business

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
26/03/2011 09:49

wanderer I think you will find, said mate came to his Bank Manager mate with another mate and asked for money, whatcha got that we can take as security asks Bank Manager mate, said mate says well I got this land

with villas built on that is still my name although I have sold it, do for me says Bank Manager mate after all they're are only thick British Pensioners, what can they do about it. There you go, cash or a cheque.

Tasgirl


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Posts: 100

Message Posted:
26/03/2011 10:10

Dear Miss marples, Would it be possible for all of the owners of property, who are in this same position or indeed, who may find themselves in this type of conflict with the banks in the future, to join together and appoint the best brains available to target their assets either here or better still in other parts of the world. I know that the cost of these super-duper lawyers is extremely high, but by joining together we could afford the very best.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
26/03/2011 10:46

Tasgirl, It is something that I am looking into. It seems to be mainly Turkish Cypriot owned banks that have been doing the majority of the allegedly dodgy lending. If they have assets outside of the TRNC, as you can imagine they are very well hidden, I do have help in the U.K. and have gleaned a remarkable amount of information from these sources, however, anyone reading this who could point me in the right direction????



These banks may have a lot of highly placed friends but they also have a lot of enemies.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
26/03/2011 20:37

Read on NCFP HOW THE BUILDER TRIED TO MOVE A TURKISH FAMILY INTO THE TAPP'S home.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/03/2011 20:41

polly no way x

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
26/03/2011 21:08

Afraid so Lilli, Since no-one stops the Bank doing as it pleases, other are jumping on the bandwagon.

Go to North Cyprus Free Press, Pauline wrote about it yesterday - starts North Cyprus Property -

I am no good with links. Fortunately Mrs Tapp physically prevented it happening - for nowl

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
26/03/2011 21:21

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/25/north-cyprus-property-tapps-buy-property-are-evicted-and-seller-moves-in-new-tenants/

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
26/03/2011 21:55

What a strong lady Mrs Tapp is! but how awful in reality for this yet another family!



Alpen Uz that's a name to remember! to be added to the ever growing list of immoral, greedy, extortionists! of which there are many in the TRNC! from Estate Agents, to Land Owners, to Builders, to Govenment Officials!! the list seems to be endless!



The trouble is the TRNC is very small so we can identify each and every Pimp!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
27/03/2011 08:08

Yes and if it is true, allegedly it seems the same man wants £500,000 for the use of the new National Carrier's name which he has registered coyright on.



Interesting and also allegedly a certain Bank applied for an injuction through the courts to gag the press at the end of the week - allegedly they were refused. Oh dear.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
27/03/2011 09:47

Akfinans Bank

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
27/03/2011 09:50

The name that shall not be mentined - uh yes.

2bfrank


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Message Posted:
27/03/2011 09:54

it does seem this bank are going to extreme lenghts to protect it's self and their self interests.

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/03/2011 10:20

2bfrank.



If this bank wishes to protect it's self and self interests. They should do what is right and help these innocent owners who have purchased the villas in good faith !! They have the oppportunity to be seen in a very good light unless they choose to continue to act in the public eye in dim light.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
27/03/2011 11:48

It is like a war zone in Demokracy Sokak, the Bank are deliberately making their presence felt, they are working very visibly on three villas, mine illegally repossessed, the McCluskey's illegally re- possessed and the villa that belonged to the landowner Yuksel Yilmaz which was never occupied, The two villas also on the same Kocans as the British and in which live the landowner Turkish settler's sister and mother and family in one and sister in law and family in the other show no sign of being moved out or served eviction notices, in my mind more proof of collusion with the Bank. The bank have workmen working in the street clearing weeds from the undmade road. They are deliberately trying to overwhelm the pensioners living there in an attempt

to frighten them to leave volunatrily, not an opition because they have nowhere to go and no money to go with.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
27/03/2011 11:59

smacks of Rachmanism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachmanism

He got away with driving legal tenants out of the houses he bought and his practices led to the 1965 Rent Act. Looks like The Bank (as I'll call them) are taking advantage of a legislature rooted in 1960s British practices. About time they entered the 21st century.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
27/03/2011 15:22

Yet another problem has reared its ugly head. After nearly five years Kulaksiz 5 are still on bulder elecrtcity.

Now it seems that Akfinans's guerillas are living in the houses Akfinans illegally possessed and using the electiricty.



Each house had its own meter to show individual usage but all electricity monitored on one meter away from the houses. The normal procedure was for each house to work out from their own meter how much they had

used, then Bob would collect the money, the bill being read on the one meter away from the houses. if there was a shortfall, and there always was, we each paid a share of it. Of course now that the guerillas are using the electric there will be a huge shortfall. Will Akfinans pay for what their guerilla's are usng. I will let you know, the meter reading day is just about now. The beleagured residents are already paying almost 3 times the normal tariff, will their misery never end. Builders tariff yet another TRNC SCAM.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 07:51

See Pauline's reply to the Bank Statement on NCFP

malsancak


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 09:13

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/28/akfinans-bank-manager-allegedly-involved-in-illegal-villa-break-in/

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 13:34

Pollymarples.



A very good reminder post re 192 on the back ground the this unjust situation these poor senior citizens find thems selves in.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 16:08

The reason Pauline keeps referring to past events is simple - lest we forget. Akfinans are now indulging in a battle to marginalise us, to refer to us a foreign nationals which of course we are. To give the impression we have no right to be in what they consider 'their' property. To totally miss out the fact that we had paid for them BEFORE they gave the mortgages. They d not mention we are all pensioners and the only young person there is protecting hs mother's property, his mother a pensioner with multiple sclerosis, too ill and disabled to be here herself. They wish to silence us because the truth shows them for the bullies that they are.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 18:55

URL:www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=britons-reportedly-being-evicted-from-their-houses-in-northern-cyprus-2011-03-28



I am useless at this but I am sure one of you clever bods can get the link for this up and running - seems they are reading about K5 in Istanbul - Even got a picture of our 'you been window framed man'



I prefer the caption 'would you Bank with this man'

malsancak


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:57

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/28/akfinans-bank-move-employees-into-pensioners-villas-and-expect-them-to-pay-bills/

malsancak


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:01

oops wrong link to Hurriyet K5 article - http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/28/turkeys-hurriyet-daily-news-reports-on-kulaksiz-5-evictions/

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 21:32

Oh dear now the so called 'illegally' taken picture is being seen in Istanbul. Guess its okay to break into someone's house without a court order but not okay to be photographed doing it. It's a crzy upside down world we live in wouldn't you say. Which is the lesser of the two evils



Still it made Pauline smile and that is a rare occurence these days.

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 21:46

polly



it's an upside down crazy TRNC you live in. Now it's in the Turkish newspaper lets hope someone over there now realise how much money they are pumping into the TRNC to feed a corrupt and despicable regime.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 21:48

It made me smile too Polly! almost as much as standing in court and seeing Robb go down! let's hope his fellow partners in crime are brought to justice?



Let's keep on Chip Chip Chipping away at this crazy upside down world that allows such immoral behaviour to continue!