24 speeding tickes in two weeks uk license

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 18:49

hi i have had a hire car and been driving to and from farmagusa from kyrenia. the hire car company just rang me to tell me i have 24 speeding tickets. i have a uk license and have only been here a few weeks. the car company have told me i just need to pay the fine and they cant ban me as uk license.having read a few threads im not sure of the position. i didnt realise the speed limits etc over here and am looking for advice.i have no problems paying the fines but dont want to banned from driving .

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 18:54

This has got to be a wind up!



Because in the unlikely event it isn't, this guys a total moron.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 18:56

Is that Elko2 ?

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 18:57

reynti if you dont know the speed limits and cannot read the road signs you deserve to be banned 24 in 2 weeks is crazy.They worn you about cameras and the speed limit.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 18:58

Don't want to appear rude, but what do you mean "I didn't realise the speed limits etc over here" Can you not read the signs on the side of the road between Gaza and Girne. They are everywhere, together with signs indicating speed cameras. Looking for advice, yes, pay and up and don't moan about it is my advice. I would think this would be most peoples reaction. Don't you think so??



Tango1

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:02

im suprised they are on to you already i got one from july 2009 ! when i arrived in early march ! after being over twice last year and hearing nothing !

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:09

hopefully the hire company will give the passport number to passport control so when he tries to leave they got him for the fine payments

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:21

I just had a call from the traffic police asking for my address so they can "serve three speeding fines ranging from a year to more than a year ago"! I told them to find out the address for themselves, since I have already paid half a dozen tickets that covered dates even later than that

My question is, and "Elko" might have the answer to this one, isn't there supposed to be a limit on how long before a ticket has to be served? When I asked the police girl who rang, she mumbled "well, they are a private company who try to locate you themselves, and come to us for support". So we now have police working for private companies!

The other problem with all this is; it is one thing to get a fine once every 3 months and paying 116 tl (whatever), but is something else for them to accumulate three or four, because they "could not deliver", and expect you to pay 350 - 500 TL at one go within 10 days! I say NOBODY PAY! Go to court, claim poverty and pay 20 TL a month for the next 18 months.

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:23

i have already said i have no problems paying the fines im just looking for some advice on the legal technicalities etc . comments such as telling me that im a moron are reinforcing what several other expats have told me that this forum is full of idiots with nothing else to do probanly waiting for some deeds on land they will never own

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:25

yes i can read you should learn to write its warn not worn

lovingcyprus


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Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:35

Oh dear picking people up on their spelling is not good when yours is as bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:41

they where asking me if i could read !!! this forum is useless i just want advice not abuse

reyntj


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:42

they where asking me if i could read !!! this forum is useless i just want advice not abuse

Pippie


Joined: 02/12/2009
Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:43

Reynti, you shouldn't have owned up to 24, you've got to admit though it does sound rather extreme to the point of bordering on the edge of carelessness/stupidity (sorry can't find a gentler word)!



On a more positive note though, Reynti is obviously already frustrated by the situation without any of us making him feel any worse. Is there any advise, I would be interested to know just for the future in case I'm ever caught.

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:45

if you are still here when you leave you will be told you have this and have to pay what ever and will have to go to the polics station if you dont and leave thbe country on return you will be rightfuly refused entry untill such time they deem fit witch for some of us might be good if you dont come back from now on remeber the kids and alike were you drive have you still got a license in blighty do this there and could be ford or scrubs

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:45

If it is a hire car

check the dates they may not all be yours

make sure you see "hard" evidence

could be an easy way to clear up fines for the hire company?

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:51

it was me yes i know im stupid thnx the dates correlate to when i had the car hire and i now realise i was speeding it was all over a few days late at night a couple of weeks ago when it was raining. myself and the hire company have totted up c a fine of 3500 tl which as i have said and now for the third time i have no problems paying this. my question is and nobody has yet to answer this is i have a uk license will i be banned from driving in the trnc if i pay the fines. please only reply if you can answer this . if you just want to tell me i am a moron or something else please find another post to comment on or better still go get a life!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 19:51

The best one was a few years ago when Girne police phoned me at home and accused me of fleeing, by car, from a RTA and wanted me to present myself immediately at the police station. I told them that I didn't have a car, hadn't driven in years, I'd been at home all day and if they wanted to see me, come and pick me up! Never heard from them since. The incoming call was legitimate as numbers are registered on my land-line phone.



Richard

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:00

If 24 have been accumulated there is every chance there is at least that many again misdirected within (the system ?) and likely to be delivered anytime in the next few years. Maybe best to check if the Foreign Legion are still recruiting.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:03

Claim the speedometer was faulty on the car?

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:06

Hi reynti,



I don't know if you are genuine or not but I shouldn't think you will lose your licence be it Uk or Turkish Cypriot.



After seeing all the idiots driving around here, I don't think anybody ever loses their license, no matter what



offence they have committed.





The butlers wife

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:14

not a bad idea but guess what they where two separate cars from hire company as i upgraded

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:23

They have NO right to take your UK license for speeding. If they try to and you can prove your leaving the island they have to give you it back!!

But you have to show evidence, ie a plane ticket with your name, date etc.

Yes you have to pay the fine!



Next time you enter the TRNC you can still hire a car but if you get stopped then.......??



But this all depends on, that you are BRITISH and are here on a 90 DAY TOURIST VISA.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:36

I feel so sorry for you. I expect that you were a victim of the constant changes on that Famagusta Road. It drives me barmy and the other year my husband had accumulated loads of fines, and of course points odff the licence. It is all the 50 to 65 to 90 to 50 to 754 to 65 to 100 to 50 etcx, etc, etc and I know there are warning camera signsa, but on a dark night etc..... But my husband did not get banned from driv ing but certainly boosted Police funds.

I hope you realised that the speed limits are kms and not mph! that makes a huge difference.

I used to love it in the old days when one could cruise along (safely) at a regular speed and now driving is not any where near as much fun. But then nor is paying fines.

and to be a touch naughty, |i am sure you will have no problems hiring in the future as you are obviously of great valuye to the police funds kitty. But do check that it was YOU. documentary evidence?????

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:53

I do not see how the uk can put points on

They do not recognise N/Cyprus

philbailey


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:57

This might help a moderators view



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/42764.asp

philbailey


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Message Posted:
28/03/2011 20:58

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/52072.asp

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 00:13

Here we go again. First the facts:

1. Speed over the limit up to 20 km/h earns you a modest 5 points.

2. From 20 up to 40 km/h and you get honoured with 25 points.

3. 40 and over and you get 50 points.



All points are cleared after 15 months beginning from the first record. It is not a sliding 15 month period.ş so depending on the first record, the result can be very different.



If you collect 100 points you are banned from driving for 3 months. Then for every repeat the period is doubled i.e. 6 months, 12 months etc.



I never had my licence copnfiscated, so I do not know how it works but the points are certainly recorded against your name on the computer.



Now the replies to the questions raised above:

1. UK licence: probably you keep it or you can get it back when leaving but you may have a ban for driving for 3 months or 9 months or one year and nine months or 3 years and nine months as explained above. If you drive in that period and get caught, you can be in real

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 00:18

trouble and not allowed to leave the country until your trial is over and have paid the fine plus a possibility of a short sentence in prison. So do not drive in TRNC for the duration of the ban.



Any undelivered tickeets get recorded on the computer and hence you may be inconvenienced when entering or leaving the country. Hence better to go and collect them from the police station.



If you have a ticket go and pay it and don't expect any advocate to defend you. They pay it themselves and this is my usual advice to them too. They often consult me

ismet

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 00:19

thanks elko. Obviously they can;'t put points on a U.K licence out here, but they certainly do on our TRNC ones. As I said, my husbaqnd was not banned, and I know it stayson his record. I kinda get the feeling that the authorities are happy to net lots of lovely money from naughty speeding motorists. after all, if they banned them they would suffer a loss of income1 Seriously, I agree with your last statement. Not worth risking. Get roller skates or a chauffeur!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 00:24

Oh, I forgot. They are interested in money only, so if you have too many offences, you can get as many friends with driving licences as you like to share out the offences and the points. They don't check the photos, indeed they encourage people to find friends.

ismet

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 01:56

So as I read it ismet, My msg 23 is about right??

Im only asking so I can think I have somehow managed to get the facts right about a TRNC law...

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 08:05

Ref Msg 28 Elko 2



Does that mean your points start from when you receive & pay the ticket or from when you are recorded speeding.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 08:14

msg. 33

The recorded date is the event and has nothing to do with the payment date. However, your points become effective when you admit guilt and pay the fine. If you don't pay the fines they are not effective until the time if and when you are found "guilty" by the court.



What I would like to find out is how they handle the points and the 15 month period when you have a number of unpaid tickets. I don't think the police would know that It will depend on how the computer is programmed and I really need to talk to the programmer.

ismet

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
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Message Posted:
29/03/2011 08:17

You do get points on your UK license.They are in the system,rather then on your license.

NCMan



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Message Posted:
29/03/2011 08:29

elko2







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Message Posted:

14/12/2010 09:17

Reply Message 8 of 13 in Discussion



The incident is the reference point.



ismet







Ismet this is what you said in 2010 are you now saying that it has changed. ?

NCMan



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Message Posted:
29/03/2011 08:41

HeLordJim





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Message Posted:

14/12/2010 09:23

Reply Message 9 of 13 in Discussion



The incident is the reference point ?? so if the incident happened 2 years ago you get 0 points ?







elko2







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Message Posted:

14/12/2010 09:17

Reply Message 8 of 13 in Discussion



The incident is the reference point.



ismet







NCMan







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Message Posted:

14/12/2010 08:11

Reply Message 7 of 13 in Discussion



Hi Ismet,



Ref points on TRNC Licence,



Did you say the 15 mths starts from the day the incident occured , or the day you receive the ticket & pay your fine.







re is the full question & answer, i am sorry Ismet but i need to get it right .

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 08:50

ok most of my fines are 5 points but even then that will exceed 100 points plus 1 is maybe a 50 and a few 25 points.so i probably have c 250 points. if my friends where also where driving the car and have now gone back to the uk can i pay the fine for them and settle the fines and what documentation do i need ?

Hoylemiller



Joined: 03/09/2010
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 08:56

Pay the fines and promise to be a good boy in future.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 11:16

Whilst I am unaware of any fixed cameras on the new Girne bypass I have always thought that it is likely to become a prime target for raising revenue. Yesterday I came upon a mobile camera site which was operated on a tripod, hull down, over the brow of a hill, and likely, "catching" many speeding motorists in what was a 65 kph stretch of tarmac. There were no less than 7 police officers involved in the operation with their cars and motorcycles parked nearby. Perhaps they were taking it in turns to learn how to use the facility and not, 1 to operate it, 3 to hold down the legs, and 3 to read the instructions. Keep safe, stay solvent, and drive carefully !

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 11:19

Proves the wisdom of coming in direct to the south and hiring your car there. Not only are you then free to tour the whole island rather then being cooped up in the north, but they can do SFA about speeding tickets.

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 14:01

elko my "friend" who was driving is now in the uk i hav ethe money to pay his fine can i go anf pay it for him ?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 16:28

Just to clear up a couple of points:

Reynti:

If the car is in your name or if "you" hired the car, "you" are personally responsible unless you can pruduce your "friend" at the police station and he admits to the offence. Speeding is a criminal offence and nobody can admit it in the name of others. Fair enough. t hus you should not be able to pay for a friend unless he is present in person.



NC Man,

I see that you are confused. the date of the speeding is the all important date. Whgen you agree to pay the fines or found guilty in court it is recorded against your name at the relevant date. Even if the 15 months period has passed long time ago, they will look to see if you had 100 points or over in any 15 month period and they will clobber you for it even if it happened ten years ago. Now I hope its all clear.

ismet

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 17:01

reynti;

I hold a British license and after I exceeded my annual points sometime last June, I was asked to surrender my license at the Girne police station. I told them I held a British license, and since I was going back to Britain soon, I would need it there and refused to surrender it. They told me to sign a piece of paper to say I have been warned not to drive for the next 3 months and that was it!

So, NO! You do not have to surrender a foreign license. You just pay the fine and sign a piece of paper. One can pay for their friend if they are not in the country.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/03/2011 18:53

msg. 44, BigOz,

Are you sure the police will accept traffic fines from friends if they are not in the country? The implication is that they are accepting quilt on behalf of their friends and therefore its a very big mistake, they should never do that. If you say so it must be true but I doubt its valid at all police stations.

ismet

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
30/03/2011

I am sorry İsmet bey! I did not mean for someone overseas - indiscriminately. You can pay on behalf of a friend if they are the owner of the car and if the original fine was in their name. But last time I paid a fine, I only showed the piece of paper that stated the fine and no one asked for my ID or license! So I guess no one will know if you pretend to be your friend and just pay the fine. They can see the total penalty points on computer screen - if it has exceeded the limit or not; then ask you to bring in your license if necessary.

In any case, the police must think "no fool is going to pay 2000 TL fine for someone just for fun!". Better still, the person must be able to produce the license if the penalty points exceed the limit. I shall be going up to Girne police this week to clear up few other things, and will try to find out exactly what the position on this matter is.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
30/03/2011 00:33

Even if they do take your UK licence from you physically it is not recognised in the UK as a foreign disqualification and therefore has no effect in the UK. You can apply for a duplicate stating that you lost your UK licence.



I got this advice in the UK and had occasion to inform an officer in Famagusta Police station of this fact after I got "points" for cutting up a senior policeman. He was non plussed but there wasn't anything he could do about it. I nevertheless apologised profusely for my completely accidental faux pas and paid a fine and the matter rested. I got 25 points awarded but other than that my record is clean so they must have lapsed by now.



H

philbailey


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Message Posted:
30/03/2011 01:16

msg 47 as I said before

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
30/03/2011 09:03

msg. 46

Suppose my wife pays for a few fines on my behalf and later I am found guilty by the court for another speeding offence and say another 25 points added which gets me over the limit in one of the 15 month periods. What is going to happen then? The police will say "may I have your licence please, you are banned for three months" and I am going to say "Not on your nelly". Then what is going to happen? I am going to have another field day because no one else can accept points on my behalf and those points admitted by my wife will have to be removed.



Hence the police should ask the person paying the fine to sign the relevant document and it will be the fault of the police if someone else signs it clearly in their own names and not in the name of the accused.



Well, this is TRNC, anything goes

ismet

PS: I am going to pay them a visit this morning and find out how they do it in the republic of Famagusta

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
30/03/2011 12:49

Ok, I went to the police station in Famagusta and this is the informaion I obtained:

1. Anybody can pay any fines as long as it does not carry any points with it.

2. If points are involved, the actual offender has to present himself with means of identification i.e. driving licence, passport etc. However no signatures are taken. Thus if anybody later objects to any "admitted" points, there will be trouble. I warned them about this but they simply shrugged their shoulders, saying that they are there to apply the system as it is. It was not their concern to pass on my comments to their superiors.



They asked me to check my points and I said "yes please". Apparently I have 100 points which surprised me. I said that if I have 100 points my licence should be taken away. "Oh no, your record is all clear, now you have 100 points to spend and if you speed and say you earn 20 points, your credit will go down to 80 points". So they work the other way round. I would say "Same difference"

ismet

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
30/03/2011 23:37

A friend of mine, living in TRNC occasionally for periods of 6 weeks or so, recently had his UK licence taken by Girne Police and he was banned having been breathalised. ( He has a villa here but no TRNC licence) He was told he could go back to the police station and pick it up prior to returning to the UK but he was told he was NOT ALLOWED to drive in the meantime. If he was caught driving then it could mean a prison sentence, or delay in returning to the UK until his trial. Proof of his departure date would also be required before his license would be returned to him

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
31/03/2011 00:08

Elko2, you have lost me! Brain not functioning. so I get 100 points for being a very naughty girl and driving too fast too often. then instead of having my licence taken away for a period of time, I am on a count down. \Nerxt time I offend and c,lock up 20 point,s my total is reduced, so, (and see me if I have got this right), I speed for 5 more times and clock up 20 points each go, and instead of have 200 poingts amassed overall, I now have NIL?



Help! As I read it, I getg rewarded for being naughty - apart from the very hefty fines of course.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
31/03/2011 00:57

Marion, oh dear dear, you are confused. When you are a good girl for a long time i.e. after 15 months from your last offence you start off with a clean slate i.e. zero points. However, the police, instead of telling me I have zero points they told me that I had 100 points i.e. 100 points to go before my licence can be taken away.



Marion, look at it like this: Suppose I have a timer and I set up the alarm to go off after 60 seconds. So the clock begins to count; 1, 2, 3, 4, .....60 dong dong dong, the alarm goes off. The police is using another clock which goes 60, 59, 58, 57 .......0 dong dong dong. So I call it the same difference. Is it as clear as mud now?

ismet

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
31/03/2011 12:25

This forum is SO funny it should be made into a comedy - ah Victor Meldrew has already been done - remember if a new comedy evolves from this I want copyright for having the idea!! have a good day

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
31/03/2011 23:39

Thank you, wise Elko for demystifying police thinking. Now I understand. I am O.K - in the clear at the moment, and I do try to be a good girl! Not sure about the other day though bombing along the bypass when confronted with a hand held camera, which has probably never been calibrated in its life. Oh dear, what speed was I doing? No doubt next time i CROSS THE border I will find out. But long way to go on an upcoung as opposed to a count down, when I will be counting the points to zero so I can rebuild the points by being a naughty girl. Is that what you said, Elko?

thank you to the Most helpful member of the forum for the most Helpful explanation. I can now sleep tonight without counting speeding points. Blessings oh wise one.

elko2



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Message Posted:
01/04/2011 10:50

Marion,

You are a gem, you are the Most Interesting Person on this Forum or MIP for short. I know, MIP also stands for Mint in Package

ismet